Microsoft’s Hollywood announcement Monday of its two Surface tablet computers was a tactical triumph but had no strategic value for the world’s largest software company because the event left too many questions unanswered. If I were to guess what was on Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer’s mind it was simply to beat next week’s expected announcement of a Google brand tablet running Android. Microsoft, already playing catch-up to Apple’s iPad, did not want to be seen as following Google, too. So they held an event that was all style and no substance at all.
This is not to say that Microsoft shouldn’t make a tablet and couldn’t make a good one, but this particular event proved almost nothing.
Two tablets were announced but only one was shown. No prices and few specs were announced. The clever keyboard cover mentioned in all stories (including this one) wasn’t functional. No reporters thought to count the ports on the sides of the one tablet available for use and they couldn’t look at their pictures to count them later because they weren’t allowed to take any that showed the sides.
What Microsoft did was play well the mystery card, copying Apple, though I’m not sure how well that will work the next time. To their credit, though, when Google’s tablet is covered here and everywhere next week you can bet the Surface line will get nearly as much comparative play as Apple’s iPad.
With that out of the way let’s consider what are Microsoft’s expectations for a tablet, which are more diverse than one might expect.
Several stories pointed out that building a Microsoft branded tablet might alienate Redmond’s long list of hardware OEMs. While this is true, I’d suggest you look at it another way. I have over the last 25+ years attended dozens of high profile Microsoft events for products that never made it to market. Knowing that, my first instinct said this was a Microsoft threat more than anything else.
Look back to Microsoft’s many antitrust defenses and you’ll see they threatened just about every OEM at some point. Bullying is in Microsoft’s DNA. Their legal defense was that they never intended to follow through which, by the way, didn’t work with the judges, either.
So does Microsoft really intend to introduce these tablets? Probably. Could something happen to change that determination? Sure.
One really good reason for announcing such vaporous products under the Microsoft brand is that novelty has dissuaded many commentators from questioning the whole enterprise. Microsoft is being given the benefit of the doubt based on what, a kickstand?
So here’s what I’ve been able to figure out about the two Surface machines and where they might be positioned. For one, the ARM-based unit had an nVIDIA Tegra2 processor like most of the Android tablets. The Win8 unit will use an Intel Atom.
It’s puzzling to think how Microsoft will position these tablets. But having scratched my head a lot I’ve decided their story will be that these are the corporate tablets. They’ll run Exchange really, really well, come packed already with Office, and if your IT department is comfortable with Windows, well they’ll be comfortable with these tablets, too.
It’s weak, I know, but that’s the best I could come up with, folks. Sorry.
Microsoft can’t claim these tablets are better than the iPad and I didn’t see a word to that effect in any of the stories (I wasn’t invited to the L.A. event). They might try to compete on price, but they didn’t seem to be doing that. either. Nor can they, really, since Apple makes its own CPUs and Microsoft doesn’t. How can Microsoft undercut Apple on price? Maybe by thinning margins, but these tablets aren’t going to leave Redmond with a $100 bill taped to the bottom. Those days are over.
Windows is always playing catch-up to OS X just as these tablets are to the iPads. While we’ll see instances of design brilliance, like that kickstand, not even Microsoft expects their product to be in any way broadly superior to the iPad.
So Microsoft is vying here for second place and the comparison that really counts is with next week’s Google tablet, not the iPad.
Yeah, this feels like a bit of desperation and clever marketing timing to placate the Windows crowd that you won’t be left behind if you choose Windows 8. A statement from Microsoft that Windows 8 will run on all devices, even if we have to make the devices.
Seems to me kind of a giant screw jab at Nokia. Nokia is in deep trouble, not only left out of tablet-land, but also the Windows Phone 8 announcement that their Lumia handsets won’t get an upgrade to Windows 8. Why buy a Nokia phone before the Windows 8 launch now?
I’m most curious about the prospect for Microsoft stores, like Apple stores. Will Microsoft have to create a retail outlet chain to survive? Or can they live with their existing OEM model?
Dvorak is railing about WinPhone 8’s gutshooting Nokia… unless Nokia’s “tight like THIS!” relationship with Microsoft is only the patented FUD feed of silly position papers and “BFF” emails.
surely, folks, we are all posting while standing in line to buy the last of the WinPhone 7 devices while we can.
— sent from my Abacus.
https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406145,00.asp
One of the great things about Microsoft’s retails stores is that you never have to worry about fighting the crowd. I mean, I was at one last summer in southern California. It was nearly empty while the Apple store just two or three doors down in the same mall was packed.
You must have been in Century City. LOL
If these are for business use, what is the channel for selling them to business? Is it going to be wide open to every Microsoft registered partner? Are they going to stock them in distribution? What about partner training, support, certification? Without information on the full ecosystem for making the product a success it is either a consumer focused product or business market flop waiting to happen.
honestly, the solution is Developers, Developers, Developers, then toss a chair and dance. wait, you’ll see.
Apple doesn’t make the A5, Samsung does. Apple has no in-house manufacturing plants and outsources everything, just like Microsoft does. There isn’t some built-in price advantage here. Microsoft can provide a price parity.
Samsung does make the A5 in Austin, Texas.
That’s not quite correct. Apple are heavily invested in the manufacturing of its products.
Anyone who pays attention know that Apple designs and/or directly Pre-orders many of it’s products components. They even purchase the factory equipment, pay for (invest or loan) building some of the factories their products are assembled.
But they don’t assemble the products and they aren’t involved in things like component transport logistics.
They are the worlds largest buyers of flash memory and at one stage had bought all the aluminum laser-machining equipment on the market (for the unibody MacBook range)
I could go on but but suffice to say, Microsoft do nothing like this at all. And it might take Microsoft years to get anywhere near the capacity to be in the same manufacturing ballpark as Apple. Samsung yes, Microsoft no.
And when Apple and Samsung litigate to the point that they can no longer do business, the only one who can make a satisfactory chip for Apple will be Intel. That will result in all the major players in the mobile device market paying the same price for chips.
Apple lays out the logic, tests it in software, and sends the layout over to Samsung. most outfits with “our own chips!” are having semi-custom burns done to stock ASICs.
as for everything else, Apple buys in freighter lots, with delivery over X months, tying up the production channels for everything they like.
so not only do they get the best possible deal, and help underwrite the plants to start with, the rest of the business trying to play catch-up is dealing with the grey market and the remaining 15% of potential production for the first few months.
can you say “bogus semis?” our outfit got stung with a lot of in-service fails because a temporary shortage of chips led to a major vendor expanding their supply chain… and getting stuck with a boatload of kerappe masquerading as silicon.
LT:
From the April 24, 2012, New York Times: “Apple sold 11.8 million iPads in the second quarter, doubling sales from the same period a year ago.”
The reason Apple can build a cheaper iPad than Microsoft can build a Surface is because of scale. MSF will create prices based on a number of units it assumes it will sell in a quarter and I’m sure that number isn’t going to be anywhere near 11.8 million.
Not to mention that Apple has component contracts lined up for the next five or six quarters at fixed prices. MSF will be going out, hat-in-hand, asking for far fewer components and will be charged much closer to retail than Apple will.
MSF will be unable to match the iPad price points unless it subsidizes the product (which it will — but for how long).
The Surface will be much more like a Zune than an Xbox.
Kickstand? My HTC Evo phone (the largest cell phone currently on the market, from what I can gather) has had a kickstand built into it for almost 2 years now. So just like every other tablet invention, this is just a glorified version of something the phones have already had, only bigger.
In any case, I too don’t see the point other than attack Apple. Tons of companies are vying to be in that 15% to Apple’s 85 in the standard percentage take you’ve talked about for years (the take that was reversed in the PC world oh so many years ago). As with all things, getting apps from quality developers is key, and here I’m not sure that Microsoft can really pull it off. C# development is hard. VB.NET is tedious. Libraries are everything, but the Windows 8 libraries, while advertised as being for this platform, really had to support the PC first, so I imagine they’ll fall to the wayside. What WILL come out of it is that I think M$ platforms will beat Apple (in spite of Apple’s lead in this space) and Android as well, to the home PC touch-screen platform.
Done well, it will be more possible for very light-weight touch-screen screens to wirelessly connect to your central PC and let that PC do all the work except the rendering and audio. Things like remote office can work to automatically sync up with your master file storage (the PC). Movies can play directly off your master file storage (the PC) without you having to sync up anything more than your windows workgroup (or whatever Windows 8 decides to call that SMB holdover). It would be possible to make the case for real home-based applications of what corporations have been doing for years, remote desktop computing, with much better transparency and integration than even Apple has attempted so far, with their attitude that every box is meant to be pure and distinct, no matter how many belong to you.
So that’s what I can see them eventually turn these tablets into – remote boxes for managing the home PC and thus continuing to drive PC sales (with their requisite Office sales) and thus keep the core bread-and-butter line intact.
If they actually had an idea in those 92,000 heads working for them, that is…
to clarify – where Apple and Google (and Amazon) are all trying to drive people into their Cloud platforms (with all of the inherent limitations they keep putting into them to minimize file-sharing legal risks), Microsoft can go the other route: push the idea that the most secure Cloud for your files is your own home, and drive people towards keeping their stuff there instead, on Microsoft Windows 8 based PCs.
Yes, this! I live out in the country and our network connection isn’t always the greatest. For now, I run a Mac Mini AV server but once Apple makes it impossible to download to a real computer, I’ll see about switching to a linux based system.
I’m not so sure of that. The iPad is the de facto standard for touch-based computing in the mind of your Average Joe. The cloud, however restrictive, gives Average Joe universal access while letting him not worry about the details. You would be correct if suddenly everyone became their own mini-IT department. The reality is they are still looking for the “any” key.
People want it easy. iPad is easy; I don’t have to look beyond my 18-month old niece — she turns it on, starts Angry Birds and plays! Can Microsoft make a tablet operable by a toddler? Can they make it cheap enough? And if the answer is yes to both of those questions, can they fight back the iPad tide? I’m going with probably not, possibly (if they operate at a loss), and no.
So what you’re saying is the IPad is a child’s computer?
In answer to your question Is the IPAD a child’s computer” the answer is probably YES.
If you are reading this Blog, you are not a part of the real IPAD target market. Their real market is the vast majority of people who don’t know, and don’t want to know anything about computers to use them.
Joe,
I don’t disagree with the overall intent of your comment and I like that idea, but you’ve got to be kidding me when you say that C# development is hard.
I started doing development in the MS world when Visual Basic 1 was released. I developed in Visual Basic 1 – 6, made the jump to VB.Net, and taught myself C#. I’ve spent 99% of the past 4 years developing in C# and I don’t have a BS in CS.
When we got limited OOP capabilities in VB 4, I learned OOP and was ready for full OOP when VB.Net came out. The most difficult part of the jump to VB.Net was the size of the BCL and learning to use it properly, not full OOP or the loss of deterministic finalization.
The fact that in the early days, most of the examples on MSDN were in C# rather than VB.Net made the switch to C# a lot easier because I had been reading C# code for several years when I decided to learn C#. My only previous experience with C-based languages was a 5-day course in C, working through a Java in 24 hours book, and a brief overview of one of Jesse Liberty’s C++ books, all back in the 90’s. If I can do it, it can’t be that difficult.
I agree, programming in C# is not a big deal if you have any experience in a C syntax (so, C++, Java) and one platform class library is pretty much like another.
After many years of C++ and Java, I picked up C# and was proficient with three months and was using all the bells and whistles within a year (embedded SQL and XML meta data etc)
Having said that, Microsoft has moved the goal posts in regard to (for example) the “preferred” presentation API several times in the last decade so some of the momentum that came from a zillion Win32 coders has been lost – No value judgment, many of the new stuff is good, but a bump in the road no less.
“proficient” yes, but do you like it? Just liking it better than Java or C++ (with all of its nightmare complexity, ANYTHING is better than C++ today) is not quite the same thing as actually enjoying it the way developers can get into and enjoy the alternative languages for web and mobile development today.
With so many choices, Microsoft needs to do more to attract developers other than continuing to hold onto their business-enterprise reputation they have today, as businesses are already seeing the power and safety behind the iWorld and Android.
I suppose I should have clarified. I’ve been a Java person since 1996, though the last 2 years have been dedicated almost exclusively to HTML-5 style Javascript.
My comment on ‘hard’ was more on the complexity of their libraries and their ever-changing nature. Like PHP (and to a lesser degree, Java as well), they’ve inherited so many alternative programming paradigms that the libraries they provide, as well as 3rd party libraries, are very inconsistent. C# only gets easy (like Java) because of Visual Studio’s auto-complete, features in the editor that quickly tell you what parameters you need, type-checking, and all that useful stuff to know you’re generally right going into the function call.
Take those away and the language and library complexity become unmanageable. Seriously. Try coding C# the way we used to do C 20 years ago and see what happens. 😉
The ease of C# is not in the language, it is in the editor. The libraries have gotten better, but the inconsistency of paradigms over the years means that you really need to be a very experienced developer, OR you need to be very limited in the scope of what you are trying to do, to work with them *well*, well enough to produce a professional-looking and performing product in a reasonable amount of time.
Thus part of my original comment: *IF* Microsoft designs its new Windows 8 libraries well, they can get the developers (back) on their side. If they don’t, and they have the same mix-n-match of styles that the .NET libraries (and their predecessors) have today, then developers will continue to flock to IOS or to very portable HTML-5 options for their mobile work.
C# and .NET maybe relatively easy thanks to the power within Visual Studio, but nobody leaves college going, “gee, I can’t *wait* to code in C# professionally…”. 🙂
Joe, for the most part I agree with you… but… HTML5 is not a replacement for Java/C++/C#… I get the strangest feeling that the biggest boosters of it have never had to do an application more than a few thousand lines long.
It never ceases to make me sad to think about how much easier the slickest javascript apps would be to code in a “traditonal” app… not to mention about 10x faster 🙂
You talk about how C# is all about the tools, and I agree – all my preferred languages have slick IDEs behind them – HTML5, not so much.
I’ll go out on a limb and say it will never match the “traditional” languages and they’ll revise and revise until it resembles (and is just as complex as) them.
I’m as guilty as anyone about embracing the new thing because it’s shiny and full of promise, but building big software will be complicated for the forseable and the effort will just go where the money is.
Home networked servers?! That is so very 2003 of you.
MS is behind the 8-ball so I don’t think it can get away with announcing vapourware. What good would that do them?
I choose to take them at their word. They are designing and building their own Windows 8 tablets which could compete with both iPads AND Macbook Airs.
The Apple model obviously works. But they do have to compete with the supply chains that Apple has been cultivating for many years under Tim Cook. MS will probably have to lose money on the Surface for some time.
The tablet market is still in its infancy.
Bob:
Everything that I’ve read so far says (speculates?) that the Pro version of Surface will have an i5 Ivy Bridge, not an Atom
(https://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/microsofts-new-surface-tablets-make-a-solid-first-impression/5142)
but granted there’s a dearth of specifics now.
I had a Gigabyte tablet with an Atom processor running Windows 7 as well as a netbook, and they’re both pretty sluggish, even with 4gb RAM. Atoms (IMO) are WAY underpowered. I’m leaning towards a Surface Pro when it ships, but if it has an Atom, I’ll pass–epic fail.
Right. I think Cringely missed this.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good blog post. The “Pro” tablet is almost certainly being positioned as an ultrabook competitor. I think Microsoft made a good move here, even if all it does is make their OEM partners rethink their product lines and make them more touch friendly.
After all, Windows 8 sinks or swims based on touch input. Seems like everyone hates the mouse interface.
“So Microsoft is vying here for second place and the comparison that really counts is with next week’s Google tablet, not the iPad.”
You could probably say the same thing about Google’s 3D maps announcement the week before WWDC.
I believe Microsoft has patents on Android devices that result in Microsoft making $5-$10 on each sold.
So it is likely that Microsoft will make more profits off Google’s tablet than the Surface tablet.
True, but as a software company it seems reasonable that MS has to put its resources towards the future of Windows. The fact that Android is indirectly funding this and other Window projects is just a bonus (especially since Android was developed originally to hedge against MS Mobile, not iOS.)
What about John Dvorak’s idea that these are part of a rollout of products to be sold in Microsoft Stores?
“I cannot see it escaping the tablet computer dead zone any time soon.” – Dvorak on the iPad.
correct. Dvorak has lost all credibility as a consumer advocate once consumers started buying computers based on consumer desires, and not nerd/geek/home-office types. He doesn’t get ‘massively parallel consumption of information’ which is what the computing model is now.
the mobile revolution is less about what the PC solved (get the ‘computer’ to the worker) and more about internet solved (get the ‘solution’ to the people). People don’t want a computer, they want a solution. to what? to anything. People don’t want a PC and Word and Excel… they want a budget manager, and a method of communicating to others. Why make them learn word macros? ActiveX… why isn’t there… an app for that?
This is more a world based on what Brad Cox (software ICs… a very rough approximation of what ‘apps’ are) and Tim Berners Lee (obvious… ‘solution to the people’) thought up.
I stopped following Dvorak when I stopped paper subscriptions… what.. around 1999?
Your loss. It irritates me no end to watch the parade of fanboy haters (of all descriptions) who come to his posts just to insult him in the comments. He is more cantankerous now than ever, but he is still almost alone in dancing to his own tune. One of the very few, other independent voices remaining is our own Cringely here. It seems like technology journalism has become as ideological and consumer-focused as cable news, and reasoned criticism has no more place in the market.
(By “consumer focused,” I meant pandering to the prejudices of the average consumer, not acting in that consumer’s best interests. My apologies.)
So what? Cringely has gotten lots of stuff wrong too. Where are the Apple TVs, and the video Ipods that were going to replace DVD players and become the dominant media for Blockbuster?
I’ve always felt that Android scares Microsoft in a way that Apple never has.
expand that. FOSS scares Microsoft in a way that Apple never has. you can’t compete with free and runs on everything, cross-platform, just recompile.
The timing is clearly to try to upstage Google, but you’re right that these are aimed at business users – or if they aren’t then they should be. At last MS may be starting to play to their strengths.
The iPad and Android tablets are primarily consumer devices. The failure of Zune, Kin and now Windows Phone 7 has shown how patheticaly weak MS is in the consumer mobile space. Microsoft’s strengths are in business computing and even their control of the consumer PC market was realy just a side benefit of that. People used PCs with DOS and Windows at work, so they bought the same stuff for home.
Apple taking over consumer computing is a problem for microsoft, but by itself it’s not lethal. The risk is that Apple’s domination of mobile, with Android playing a strong second fiddle, could feed back into business computing. It would be a reversal of the tide. People using mobile devices they love at home are bringing those into the work environment. That could wipe Microsoft out.
I’ve thought all along that MS should have pitched Windows Phone 7 at business users. By ignoring business and going after consumers for the past few years they may very well have lost both markets. They absolutely must begin a robust and competent defence of their business computing market or they face an existential crisis. That means mobile devices running Offic, with full exchange support and Active Directory system management, in a form factor that’s at least ballpark competitive with consumer tablets. Hence Surface. If Windows 8 on phones turns out to be a viable product too then finaly MS Microsoft will have the tools to at least defend itself in mobile.
I speculate that Microsoft wants to occupy the corporate space vacated by RIM.
My company issues me with a Blackberry, but cannot support an iPhone or Android device – aargh!
How well did that work for RIM?
I disagree though. I think that MS is aiming for consumers as well as prosumers. Why would they be talking up their Netflix client if they were strictly aiming for businesses?
I thought after I started using a Windows 7 phone that with in 6 months there would be a IPad competitor based on the Operating system. I guess I was way off on that one, but seemed to me a little larger form factor to get a little screen real estate to use for Corporate software would be a winner! I suppose the fact that things would have to be written for the thing held that idea back?
It’s all about Google, as Bob correctly states.
Timing was so they beat Google. Hence why there was little on show – Microsoft wasn’t ready yet. They’ve announced a product that you can’t buy at a price they won’t say.
Microsoft need to concentrate on their own products, make them the best they can be. Or better. Windows 8 scares me. It really does. It looks that my desktop OS is going to be dumbed down to such a low level to be useless. I use engineering software and that needs a PC. But a tablet OS for my main machine? That isn’t going to work for what I need my PC to do.
Acutally, I’ve already started buying Apple products and my next PC will be a Mac.
“Acutally, I’ve already started buying Apple products and my next PC will be a Mac.”
That’s it ! You’ve uncovered Apple’s nefarious plan. Get Ballmer to fall into Apple’s trap, wherein Microsoft, in its zeal to compete with iOS bets the company’s future on tablets, causing all those Windows users to abandon their PCs for Apple equivalents. Eventually Apple dominates the desktop and laptop markets, in addition to tablets, phones, music, etc. MUWHAHAAAA!
“Get Ballmer to fall into Apple’s trap”
I don’t think Apple need try that hard – If anything Ballmer has shown a complete ineptitude at running Microsoft. They’re leaving the door open.
All the engineers I know all want to have Macs, if they don’t have already. The only problem is software is yet to catch up, but I can see that changing.
Even though I’m a long time Mac user (my 512k still boots up from a Minix floppy disk) I’m worried that Apple may be heading for computing appliance as well. It may come down to personal computers/workstations as we know them will be either run in emulation on a big VM server or will be Leenooks/BSD hobbyist boxes.
Just had my fill of Google appliance fun today as well, after one of our yellow search boxes started hammering a web server. We have a GUI admin page on it but no real console or way to touch the OS. For any problems, it’s break out credit card and call Google. Bleah!
“It may come down to personal computers/workstations as we know them will be either run in emulation on a big VM server or will be Leenooks/BSD hobbyist boxes. ”
The latancy will be too high. And especially for larger files. Now that people have got used to having instant access to data on their own computer they won’t go back to something that have to wait for.
I recently bought a couple of old machines (BBC Master and Acorn A5000) as they were machines I used during my youth and to write college reports. In their day they were fantastic machines, but now they’re slow. Slow to load programs, slow to make edits on documents, slow to safe files.
Ok, they’re both really quick to boot! These are on and ready to use within seconds from cold. But looking at how slow they were now I wonder how I had the patience to use them.
I also had a look at an Amiga 1200, and that really surprised me that even compared to the Acorn machines it was very slow. Guess I did get the better machines at the time.
Looking forward to my new MacBook Pro. Guess which one…. 😉
Archos has been selling Android tablets with kickstands for a while – at least back to 2010, if not earlier.
I think I’ll buy Microsoft’s Surface tablet…delete the M$ OS and install the latest Android OS. Should be interesting…the Surface looks a lot like a netbook!
Hopefully Steve can set a low price for me! Free would be good.
Inspite of what some people say the new Intel Atom CPU’s are actually pretty good for the price.
start Googling “laptop warranty after Linux” and you’ll find the major players… HP, Lenovo, Dell… all saying you broke it, you bought it, we’re not taking it back once the MS package is stripped and Linux is installed.
no, Microsoft doesn’t pass its FUD on to the OEMs, not at all… .
As some have pointed out, the processor for the Pro model (that is compatible with current Windows programs on x86) will be an Intel chip but not likely Atom since it’s meant to be competitive with an “ultrabook”. Regardless, Android runs on ARM, not Intel, so if you want Android you will have to start with the RT version that uses ARM (competes with Android and iOS).
Bob got it right. (*want to see my duh face …..?…..”duh”?*)
This isn’t about the user, it is about the IT guy. As far smarter commenters than moi point out, the surface can use a PC as its cloud depository. BUT, this will be a corporate in house server. The tablets run windows 8 with seemless integration and some, sort of, security and run office quite well.
And then there’s the other integration that gives it its name, “surface”……
Oh… anyone remember the original Tron ? David Warner’s computer is a surface.
They are going to partner with IKEA.
IKEA? Brilliant! A tablet on a wireless tether (or some theft prevention measure) would be perfect for IKEA shopping. And that would be as a map service as well as picking out one’s merchandise.
I think I agree with the corporate angle. My company of 14k employees is probably 99% laptops (Windows, naturally). We dock them and most of us use an external keyboard and monitor(s) at our desks. The dumb terminal you can take with you. I could see the next (maybe next-next) IT overhaul going tablet. And as we are a Microsoft shop, you can bet those tablets will be Windows-based. In fact, I could see early roll out of this idea to those who travel frequently. And how slick for client presentations?
Slick?
Awesome, you brought a tablet. Oh, it doesn’t do Airplay. Um, anyone got an adapter cable?
I think it will do Microsoft’s version of airplay called “Playto” and connect with the Xbox.
The one thing that would sell any tablet for corporate use would be having decent security tools on the thing. If the Surface can promise data security, corporations would line up for the tablets. Trying to allow iPads and iPhones into the bigger corporate client infrastructures can be vexing, particularly when employees are tossing around sensitive data on their personal iPads.
I think what would sell it for corporate use would be if it can seamlessly run all the legacy apps (sorry, applications) that businesses have deployed on Windows over the past 20 years. The paradigm shift to tablets and apps is great, but it is still very hard for companies and government to migrate all their applications just because there’s a cooler platform out there. The blossoming of web applications and SAAS has to some degree mitigated this, but there are still a lot of legacy applications out there that work so well that it is just too hard and expensive to port them.
Win8 doesn’t. all that switching out of Metro to single-app traditional software doesn’t seem to work for the corporate beta testers I’ve seen in print.
For clarification, Win8 doesn’t what? Of course you can run legacy apps on Win8, except in the RT version meant for ARM chips. Like many others, I am running the Release Preview right now, and I don’t see what all the fuss is about. Many seem to expect more interaction between Metro “apps” and the more powerful applications that run on the desktop. I find it hard to take that concern seriously. What kind of data do I need to import into my work from Angry Birds, or Weather?
Overall, almost nothing has changed, except for the Start menu, which I never liked in the first place. It’s a chaotic mess. The substitution of a chaotic, full-screen menu is a merely cosmetic change, unless you really love nested folders. Without it, the “legacy” desktop–still only a single keystroke away–looks as it always did, only less cluttered.
What I will say, is that MS has a lot of work ahead in explaining the difference between the Win8 versions meant for ARM and Intel.
Wow, little disappointed Cringley! You obviously did not watch the event. Both models were indeed shown, Surface (ARM) and Surface Pro (Intel). They also said the Intel version is an i5 Ivy Bridge processor, which means it’s more powerful than most desktop currently out there at this moment! It also has additional functionality with a digitizer pen and running full blown Win8 Pro.
Pricing they said would be on par with similar devices, so they won’t be undercutting the market. They are trying to pull an Apple by going on build quality. Again if you watch the keynote they are pretty damn close and in some cases surpasses them. The exterior case quality and freaking Gorilla glass which doesn’t shatter like both my iPads (gotta love the kids).
Yes this was a pre-emptive strike against Google, and I would guess a successful one.
As for what is the advantage, it’s clear to address the limitations of current tablets. As far as tablets have come, they are still consumption devices. These Surface are going a step further by providing a keyboard and MS Office. Which tablets have Office today? The Pro version is running full Win Pro with USB3, so you can even use Adobe Lightroom as was demoed. So they will be canabalizing the ultrabook market as well.
The real problem is their distribution channels, they are not going full steam ahead by limiting it to their stores and online. So that is the bone they are throwing to OEMs.
Ditto from me, RXC; you obviously didn’t watch the same event I did. In addition to your incorrect info about the processors, they clearly showed the touch keyboard working on both models. They didn’t show the full-travel keyboard actually working, but they did show it.
It’s an awesome design. I really want the Win 8 Pro model, but that isn’t slated to be out until Q1 2013. I will gladly buy a Win8 RT model in October, and make my iPad-toting wife and friends drool….
You should really check out a Windows Phone in detail. The ease of use, present in the Metro interface of Windows 8 RT and Pro, is phenomenal. The iOS world still dominates the retail market, and will for quite some time, but I think Microsoft has changed the game. Again.
He might have fallen asleep during the 20s spinning logo animation.
RXC is correct in that no Pro tablets were on display for the tech press. It’s not at all clear that the Pro was shown in the presentation, other than in photos and video. It may not even be finished/functional.
The Intel version was shown including the special small vents along the side of the whole chassis.
Also the graphics would be tegra 3 not tegra 2.
It’s crazy that Bob gets the facts wrong that can be checked by watching a simple youtube video. And doesn’t post corrections.
Microsoft is simply pushing boundaries here, not being happy with the OEMs. PC OEMs tend to compete on price, not on innovation. Just look at any review on touchpads. They never do it right.
Does anybody really believe a 10″ tablet will ship with an i5 processor?
What would one of those tablets have for battery life, about 20 minutes?
I’ve been using a Win7 umpc with an old atom processor circa 2009. The battery is about 32 watt hours and lasts almost 4 hours. The Pro Surface battery is 42 watt hours and the newer Intel chips are more efficient. (Of course, the battery life is much less if you spend the time watching Youtube videos.) Keep in mind the Pro version is meant to compete with an ultrabook, not an iPad or Android tablet.
I’m pretty sure they said Ivy Bridge i5 processors, not Atom….
In a nutshell… Apple has a tablet. Samsung, Asus, Sony, Archos, Acer, Toshiba, Amazon, B&N and others have a tablet. Google is about to announce their own tablet. Everyone has a tablet, except for Microsoft. So Microsoft cranks up a PR and shows a tablet that doesn’t do much. You can’t buy it. They can’t tell you its price or when it will be available. There were no features or specifications in the announcement.
Does Microsoft have a tablet? Not really.
If there are at least 10 makers of tablets in the market and Microsoft has been working on their own for at least a year, why don’t they have a tablet? What have they been doing?
My guess: the latest version of the iPad completely outclassed and blew away everything Microsoft had. Microsoft is back to square one. Rather than simply be quiet or be honest about their tablet, Microsoft chose to announce something that does not really exist.
I think Microsoft is catching the RIM disease…really more fiction then fact!
Yes, it is possible Microsoft won’t actually follow through and make the hardware. However, I fully expect they will come out with something to sell in their store. But the real excitement here is for people who want to learn one interface that works in a similar manner on their PCs, tablets, and phones. Microsoft could leave the hardware manufacturing and selling to their hardware partners. The important thing is the WinRT/Win8/WinPhone8 OSs and the WinRT apps that will run on all these devices, coupled with the fact that Win8 on Intel will be compatible with all existing Windows 7 PCs, plus the “cloud” infrastructure to facilitate sharing among all these device types.
Regarding Microsoft and its retail stores… My wife, Ms. Consumate shopper who could care less about computers, even notices that NO ONE except the employees goes into Microsoft stores. Now, if by some chance Microsoft introduces Surface and displays them in their retail stores then MAYBE some a few folks will wander in to check them out. But I have a hard time seeing Microsoft getting any volume going if the Surface devices are $100-$200-$300 more expensive than the iPad.
Soi if you boil it all down…. all Microsoft is doing is copying Apple (badly) well after the fact…. My guess is their strategy sessions start with 15 minutes of silence and then some one says “Well…. Apple is doing….” and then the collective gray matter in the room lurches forward with planning….
Assuming there was a Microsoft store near me. (There isn’t) What could I buy there? Seriously! Software? It is already too expensive and it is cheaper to buy it elsewhere. Hardware? What do they make? The Zune and Xbox. That is not enough to justify a retail store.
When you walk into an Apple store you can buy: laptops, workstations, tablets, iPods, phones, etc. The Apple branded software is cheaper and a lot better.
If the only reason Microsoft wants retail stores is because Apple has them, they need to rethink their strategy. A better plan might be to rent space inside Best Buy’s stores.
How come no one has mentioned the benefit of having a full version of Microsoft Office on a tablet?
Fortune 1000 companies live and breath MS Excel.
It’s remarkable, isn’t it? The utility of the Pro tablet is what I, and many others, have been waiting for. It is also the fulfillment of all the expectations people had for the iPad ahead of its introduction. Marketing is a wonderful thing. If Microsoft wants to succeed, it better figure out how it works, and fast.
If you don’t agree about the iPad, go to MacRumors or AppleInsider, and search for stories on a Mac tablet, circa 2002 to 2007. It was a recurring obsession, almost like the unicorn.
What we are witnessing is Microsoft drinking its own Koolade. Microsoft has always insisted since 2002 the Windows is a great tablet OS. This explains the reason both Win Pro and Win RT use the Metro interface AND the desktop. The Metro interface proved popular on Windows 7 Phone (which was called Windows even though it wasn’t because Windows is always the answer).
Yes Metro made a good touch interface, but if Windows is truely the Tablet interface, it also has to be on the desktop – even though it made no sense. And there can’t be a special “Tablet Edition” of Microsoft Office because Office runs on Windows which is the same OS everywhere. Therefore,
When a tablet computer runs Office, it gets the Desktop version even though it can’t use the Metro interface. It’s also the reason why the Lumia Windows phone you buy today will be obsolete in four months when Windows 8 for the phone comes out.
All of these decisions are bad decisions for Micosoft, but necessary to prove Windows is a tablet and desktop OS.
That’s why there are two Surface computers. That’s why both have keyboards, a 5″ tall screen, trackpad, and touch screen even though it compromises the utility of both models. Micosoft has to prove Windows can be both a desktop and tablet OS.
Compare this to Apple. Apple took OS X and renamed it iOS. The MacBook Air and the iPad have different interfaces. Apple isn’t out to prove one OS will work everywhere.
It’s one thing to try to convince everyone else that Windows is the answer to everyone’s needs. It’s sad when Microsoft hurts itself in order to believe it’s true.
Wow… this is possibly the most inaccurate write up I’ve seen.
The showed both, and the differences.
The touch keyboard worked like a charm.
The Surface runs ARM and the Pro runs Ivy bridge i5.
The Pro is effectively a notebook, and it’s no better than an iPad, they ran Adobe LightRoom for crying out loud.
Please go watch the (entire) keynote. And please be a good reporter and post corrections.
According to Gartner and others, tablet sales could nearly double every year for the next few years, up to 500 million by 2015 by some estimates. Even if Microsoft comes in a distant third, it still behooves them to enter the market. I doubt they will ever get close to catching up with Apple or Android tablets numbers, but with PC sales dropping in the US, Microsoft has to do something.
I personally would like to see Microsoft (a software company) write software for iOS and Android, but that isn’t likely to happen if they think they can make more money controlling the platform like they have always done. They may be right. It has worked well for Apple’s iPad and Amazon’s Kindle Fire to a lesser extent.
You completely overlook the fact that iPad is a crippled device compared to one running a full Windows OS. Two examples:
A user I support wanted to be able to print to a portable printer from his iPad. I spent a full day determining that basically it can’t be done – apparently no one makes a portable printer (battery, wireless or BT) that works with iOS or AirPrint. People were actually suggesting this guy put an inverter in his car and use a 110v printer with a wired LAN in the trunk. Since then, HP has released a new battery powered mobile printer that still doesn’t support iOS.
Flash – I dislike Flash as much as anyone, but there are times it’s needed. In particular, I support two users who use training videos only available in Flash. The day the new iPad shipped, I got several calls and e-mails asking about Flash support because even someone with a relatively new previous version was willing to upgrade for Flash support.
In my opinion, if you’re going to get an iPad, you might as well save the money and get a Kindle Fire. They’re both just ways to watch a movie on the plane (although Amazon makes this much easier with the Fire).
I’m retired and have no need for a “business” computer. But I would sell all my computers to get a Windows Tablet that I can take on trips that won’t cause me to be pushed to a “m.x.com” alternate web site when I want to do what I’ve been doing for years on my desktop.
I am sick and tired of companies like Bank of America telling me I can’t have access to my bank account online with a tablet. And don’t tell me to flip the goto mainsite flag on my browser. It only works half the time. And SLINGBOX want’s me to spend $30 to watch TV on my tablet when I can use my netbook for free, etc, etc, etc.
SIGH!
Joe F
So the tablet’s the problem because BoA, SlingBox, and all the other IE6 enabled sites haven’t figured out a compelling tablet interface, or a compelling pricing model for mobile devices;-)
I couldn’t get my phones to access my email either… now I answer most of them via my iPhone on Outlook or Google. go figure.
Don’t get me wrong… I still use my Mac Mini to torrent down all those shows that haven’t given me the ability to pay per episode the week the show is released. I pay probably $50 a month for video content (still less than my old cable bill), so I reward those who have made the move… those who haven’t… well, some say it’s piracy… others would say it’s loaning the magazine/cassette/dvd between [internet] neighbors.
I’m stumped. If the lucrative portable wifi printing market and the flash training video markets are wide open, how come LG and HTC can’t make any money selling tablets into them? It’s a mystery!
Well, aside from the fact that even Adobe has finally realised they will never get Flash working on mobile devices and gave up trying.
But still, while Apple is wasting it’s time with marginal niches like education, videogames, medicine, mapping and photography, someone like Samsung can clean up the fat profits to be reaped from the vast portable wifi bubblejet printing industry. Boy will Apple look silly.
I guess you’re right. Printing is a marginal pursuit in 2012. People with business needs should just get over it.
Meanwhile, this guy is so stupid that having been won over to iPad and iPhone, he’s now gone back to Windows just because of this one issue. He is sad that he has to use a laptop instead of his preferred iPad, but his business needs are so antiquated that he still has to print in order to do his job effectively.
Since you seem to be an Apple fan, I’ll let you know when my customer’s iPad hits eBay. It’ll probably be a few days after the Surface ships.
Who hauls around a printer with their tablet? Nobody does.
If you really need to run Flash, there is an app for that.
someone’s bitter he didn’t get an invite…
Then you have a lot of nerve coming here to rub it in.
It seems to me the touch keyboard in the cover is the bigger deal here than the kickstand. Although it kind of begs the question, what’s the difference between a tablet with a keyboard and an lightweight laptop? It doesn’t take long to realize that if you want to get any work done on a tablet you want a keyboard, so if Microsoft is targeting the “corporate tablet” niche, then the keyboard seems smart. Though you have to wonder if people will really prefer this form factor to the ultrabook for that role.
Microsoft may have reason to fear Android, but I kind of doubt they have to much to fear in an Android tablet (or even the iPad for that matter). I guess they worry about the thin wedge of Android on tablets somehow leading to inroads on the desktop. It could happen, I guess, but I think it’s more likely that eventually “the cloud” and things like HTML5 will make the choice of desktop OS less important, regardless of what the trendy terminal form factor is.
I’m sure they will show up in Hawaii 5-O and NCIS TV shows very soon running the slickest software programs you will never see…
So what do you think MS is going to put in its stores? XBox and mice?
Do I want to carry one of these gadgets around? Not really. Either go big or go small. This in-between thingamabob “tablet” does not appeal to me and therefore to the vast majority of thinking people.
The end.
Be seeing you.
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I think Microsoft’s two tablets is a rather simple. The Atom system is for business where legacy software support is important. The ARM based system has no support for legacy apps and I would suggest it will be much cheaper to the extent that Microsoft will subsidize the hell out of it as it did with Xbox. The ARM version will be the one that is the competitor of Android and iPad in the consumer market. Metro apps will have a store just like competitors and will need to be priced in line with these products.
The biggest challenge here will be getting new Metro apps into the store. They have a good development environment and have been practically paying developers to build Metro apps.
In bringing out hardware Microsoft hopes to offer a more compelling alternative to the iPad than third party vendors could. Additionally, I’m sure they’ve watched the Google purchase of Motorola and how it affected the third party vendors.
Ultimately, Microsoft hopes that sales of the two tablets will feed off each other. Business will be attracted to the Atom version which will fit inside their security and policy models using Microsoft servers. The additional support of Microsoft office and other legacy products will seal the deal leaving the iPad and Android tablets out of the business area. If Metro can stand on its own it will make the business version that much more attractive. However that’s a big if… I’m sure their thinking is that by making their own hardware they can avoid the pit that Windows phone 7 fell into.
Just one more note… If this is a high low play.. with the Atom being expensive and the ARM product being cheap.. this is the surround approach Microsoft has successfully taken in the past. Remember when Novell was the leader in network servers? I think it’s a rather interesting play for the tablet market.
I want a tablet that
– has a keyboard
– has a memory card slot where I can read & write files
– can attach to a large display
– lets me load programs without app store approval.
If it let me draw with a stylus like a Cintiq I’d be in heaven.
If the mere threat of such a tablet leads other manufacturers to allow these features, good.
I must say that when I first looked at the device I thought it was nice, but then I realized how these modern companies work. They just copy themselves. The competition is about cheating on your competitor or worse trying to imitate a startup.
However I think that I am not going to buy a windows device in the next thousands years for the simple fact that it is against my way of thinking and building stuff.
The parallels between this announcement, coming a week before Google’s launch of their tablet, and the one of the Courier/HP Slate a week prior to Apple’s iPad debut are obvious.
It worked so well against the iPad why wouldn’t Microsoft use it again?
I read this week they only have a wifi connection so far to keep costs down but this might upset the corporate types… What no LAN connection???
I suspect the LAN can be fixed with a USB to LAN adapter. What concerns me is no built-in 3G option. Sure, they make cellular dongles and Mi-Fi stuff but who remembers to carry them? The carriers had better at least include tethering on the phone plans but unfortunately that’s currently an extra cost feature in addition to the data charge.
I welcome the competition in tablets from Microsoft, and if they turn out a superior product I’d be happy to buy a Surface. I just hope they truly innovate instead of following Apple. We need more development of the native tablet interface and its full potential, which has only just begun to be realized. The heavy emphasis on the surface’s keyboard cover sends a message of holding onto the traditional laptop form factor.
Sometimes you just want a keyboard, especially if you know how to type and know where the letters are in a qwerty keyboard. By putting it in the protective cover you get the keyboard without taking away screen real estate. They are innovating merely by making a tablet useful to Windows users so they don’t have to learn and maintain entirely different systems. No need for Apple or Android if you can do your work on Windows and use the same device for portability and play.
It is vaporware. The purpose is to keep developers interested in Win 8.
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