Tonight marks the 10th anniversary of Y2K, so I’m using it as an excuse to look back at lessons learned and not learned from that experience. The greatest lessons had to do with psychology, not technology.
Y2K was no surprise to me. I wrote a chapter on it in my book Accidental Empires back in 1991 — fully nine years before the actual deadline. To my knowledge that was the first in-depth explanation of Y2K in the mass media. I explained how the problem came to be, how it could be solved, and predicted that doing so would cost a lot of money and force a transition on the way corporations and governments used technology.
In early 1999 someone at PBS came up with the bright idea that I do a TV special about Y2K to run that October, setting audience expectations about what was to come. Going into that project I remember the producers expected it to be about all the stuff that was likely to go wrong. After all, I had written eight years before that we were in peril. But when I jumped into the research in 1999 I found that Y2K remediation, as it was called, seemed to be going well. I also found that systems weren’t as inter-connected or dependent as many of us had thought — that the world simply wasn’t as much at risk as we feared. I had to fight for this position, but ultimately that was the more conservative story we told two months before the actual event. And we were right.
PBS, to its credit, was the only U. S. television network with the guts to do such a show in primetime or anytime. We took a position — a controversial one it turned out — and justified it with research. Other networks preferred to play the doom card over and over again.
Y2K remediation cost $50-100 billion for the U. S. alone. Probably half of that money would have been spent on IT improvements anyway, but an extra 25-50 billion 1999 dollars is still a lot of dough. Much of it was spent on Y2K-related issues but a lot of it was spent on this-and-that. Y2K was such an arcane problem and so far above the heads of typical CEOs that it was viewed by IT departments as a chance to buy all the cool stuff they never could before. A lot of cool stuff was bought on top of all the other cool stuff being bought because this was also the time of the dot-com Internet Bubble.
I have wondered how much of the economic downturn in 2000 and 2001 – the collapse of the Internet Bubble — was actually due to the passage of Y2K with its excessive IT purchasing and labor costs.
While making that TV special I spent weeks interviewing experts and self-proclaimed experts including survivalists. What I learned then was a story that I don’t think ever really came out. It consists of three parts:
1) Desire: the people warning the loudest about Y2K, those hoarding lentils and suggesting the end of the world was coming, really wanted to be right. They not only thought Y2K was going to be a disaster, they wanted it to be a disaster.
2) Paranoia: the people who were so upset about Y2K — the survivalists and others who headed to the mountains and other sparsely-populated areas — didn’t go to the country because they thought the cities would collapse. They thought the rule of law would collapse and there would be Mad Maxian mass civil unrest. And all that unrest would be aimed squarely at them — the arrogant and narcissistic survivalist leaders. They just assumed that all the other folks who stupidly hadn’t been hoarding lentils would want their lentils and would be coming for them, possibly armed. They expected that Y2K would not only delay Social Security checks, it would lead to armed insurrection aimed at they and their lentils. I am not making this up.
3) Disappointment: When the worst didn’t happen and these same folks found themselves in the middle nowhere with half a ton of lentils, they were disappointed the world hadn’t fallen apart after all. Some of those people still haven’t recovered.
When Y2K: The Winter of Our Disconnect? aired that October (pre-Y2K), it produced the greatest e-mail response of any show I ever made — almost 3,000 messages in the first week. Most of those messages were negative, some extremely so. Many viewers saw me as irresponsible. They claimed that my irresponsible actions would lead to the deaths of hundreds — perhaps thousands — of PBS viewers, lulled into inaction by my false reassurances. Some viewers said I deserved to die for making the show. A few suggested they would kill me themselves.
It reminded me to a certain extent of the minor firestorm a couple weeks ago over my Christmas card, though at least that one produced no death threats.
So I was Public Enemy Number One in October, 1999 for suggesting that Y2K would turn out to be no big deal. And what happened in January, when it became clear that my show was 100 percent correct? Nothing. Not a single e-mail came to me from any of those people.
Audiences: you can’t live with them, you can’t live without them.
Happy New Year.
You might consider a follow-up: The cheap workarounds are chickens coming home to roost. Many companies were sold on a cheap fix that was good until 2029. I work in a company where the test system is accelerated to test time-related functions. Guess what happens, now the system has surpassed 2029 for test purposes. The date functions are not functioning. The system is having to be “recycled” in order to bring the dates back below the 2029 limitation.
But of course, who would have thought those big dinosaurs would still be in use, eh?
I think the company I worked at did the same thing. I was drafted into testing some of those fixes. In fact I was sent to Ireland for two weeks in one case by the company I was then working for. That was nice – though hard to go to work the next morning after dining at the local pub (dining = two pints of guinness).
The company had dozens of medium size plants around the world building small medical and surgical devices. As I recall, that was mostly AS400. I wasn’t really familiar with AS400, and if I’m not mistaken, they ran the IBM (I think it was epcdc) standard. We did a work around that was meant to be short term (I don’t remember how short, but ten to twenty years) the company figuring that a permanent fix would be cheaper after the year 2000 rush had died down.
I have no doubt that many, if not most, IBM shops did the same thing. I have no doubt those are still ticking time bombs. But I would expect that IBM came up with easy fixes when it came time for these folks to replace their existing machines.
Global warming is the newest Y2k – like issue. In fact with all the global cooling and the warming-gate emails….you might say global warming is about to be Y2k’oh’d.
But what about 2038? It’s the 32-bit epoch number limit! We’ll all die!! Arrgggghhh…
2038 won’t be a problem, since the asteroid is going to hit in 2036. That is unless we don’t perish in 2012 😉
Having fixed a few date problems myself, I can only agree with the comments about the no-win situation. Given ten years have passed, it would be interesting to hear from any companies which did experience problems. My assumption has been that commercial reasons prevented information about what problems did occur from becoming public. I know we missed some minor date formatting problems on reports (and fixed them quick smart early in 2000). Not exactly planes falling from the sky stuff.
The problem will always be storage. Unless we store dates in an infinitely expansible format, there will be a 2038 problem, a 2050 problem (for windowed dates), a Y10K problem. Of course, by then, we should be an interstellar species, so we’ll have to come up with a date format that accounts for time dilation.
Don’t forget Y2.1K, eiither: new systems that format, and then parse, things as 2 digit years, because nobody wants to see the other digits (always be between 200x and 20xx, right?).
Yes, it’s foolish, but sometimes people don’t want to *see* the extra digits in contexts where it will never matter 🙂
FWIW, I forgot to add that I had to show up to work at 5 AM on Jan 1 2000 to help keep an eye on things in the data center. Nothing failed, *because* we had a good remediation team on the job the previous year. My friend from the Y2K team and I did fix a few formatting errors that day (e.g. “01/01/100” — see the unix man page for the time struct) to help relieve the boredom. We heard that the 9 PM to 5 AM shift was not boring at all, more of a big party, instead. Oh well, that’s another story…
Bob,
Any place one could find this for streaming consumption online? How about triumph of the nerds?
Thanks!
Sam
As one who was “brought back” to work in Y2K for a very large 3 Letter Giant, I can tell you that not only was this the biggest boondoggle every concocted, but it was also, from the start a “no win” situation.
If something bad happened, you were going to get blamed; if nothing bad happened (which it didn’t), then they assumed it was no big deal and you got no credit.
At the time, 10 years ago, we were laughing about this in the “secret” control room in CT, while talking to Australia over the Satellite Phones that were purchased, and installed with antennas so the executives could talk inside (it was COLD out) at great expense.
Perhaps this IS where the current economic mess really started!
Bob…
I was working as a TV reporter in Birmingham at the time, and I remember quite well all of the jokes and jabs that were pointed at Alabama then.
Still dealing with the Y-1K problem, yada yada yada.
I also recall in the great panic and run-up to the non-event, Alabama was assailed nationally as being woefully unprepared, having spent less than a third per-capita of any other state when it came to spending on Y2K preparation.
Mind you, the litmus test wasn’t efficacy, but spending.
Like you, I don’t remember anyone popping up after the fact praising the state of Alabama, government and private sector, for being prudent.
Nice nostalgic article. As one who benefited as an in-house remediator, I was happy how well we rolled over, and disappointed at the subsequent backlash by some that success implied there never was a problem, rather than a job well done.
In the aggregate, I agree with your essay. I must say that a worthwhile remnant was that we ended up with much better code inventory systems thereafter which initial cost might have never made the cut otherwise.
Death threats from the brain dead. Nice. These same people can’t fathom the world is round or older then a few k’s. If only we could pull their plug!
The same people who think that Obama was born in Kenya. Birthers, Deathers, and Conspiracy theorist who want to live out their lives as Jeremiah Johnson in the mountain wildernesses.
Doesn’t sound like you’re much better with your ad hominem statements. Can’t you do better than that?
LOL! Had to stretch that one to get in your regularly-scheduled YEC ridicule I see. Talk about the brain dead…
It could be argued that the reason why no disaster happened was precisely because so much money was spent on Y2K. There were bugs found in various systems that were associated with Y2K, so who can say that other bugs would not have caused disasters if the problem were not tackled?
My own opinion is that there was a lot of overreaction and overspending on the problem and that the risk did not justify the amount spent, but nobody can realistically claim that they were proven 100 percent correct in January 2000, as Bob does.
Why not? He said that the remediation was well on track and that there would be no big problem (not that the remediation was unnecessary). He was right.
I worked a couple of months with an older guy from Russia in 1997. He told me that all the computers in Russia were exact clones of IBM 370 mainframes. In fact he coded COBOL for IBM mainframes for a living.
An interesting thing that was, by itself. The fact that Soviet industry benefited from cheap clones of IBM mainframes (though I beleve there was a company in Minnesota – Amdahl or some such thing – that did roughly the same thing). Because they were outside the western economic system they didn’t have to pay royalties to IBM for the technology that they freely used.
As 2000 approached, the big problem this implied was that the entire east block, mostly Russia and ex-Soviet states, was relying on all these IBM clones running on ebcidic two character year dating devices.
On December 31, 1999, when no major disruptions seemed to be reported at all out of Russia and Ukraine as they passed over to 2000, I was painfully disappointed and new there was not going to be any problems at all.
If this spending was at all an investment we would have benefited from some kind of return on it after 2000. But the economy has been collapsing ever since.
More likely, since 2000, we have suffered from supply-side saturation, as investment bubbles, such as the dot com implosion would suggest
(across society, when there is too much supply side money relative to demand side money, investors across the board struggle to get decent returns on their investment, this is a huge crisis for rich people who have only one goal – that is to not have to work to live, but instead live off their investments and so must grow their accounts – so decent return on investments is critical. But when there is too little demand relative to supply, no investment will generate decent returns.
This creates an obvious crisis for (rich) investors (who don’t want to fall back into the work force). Thus when some new technology comes along (like a better mouse trap), which brings along with it its own latent demand, and thus offers reasonably decent returns on investment, the desperate investment dollars flood that sector, creating an investment bubble. Barring something to relieve that investment bubble, like high tax rates on really high incomes or more new technology sectors opening up, the bubble will eventually burst.
Another result of this is the investor community, unable to generate good returns on orthodox investments, will start to eye with lust, after the investment schemes that they have been roped off from by the law, which is supposed to align our individual greed with socially constructive behavior. In other words, investors start clamoring for deregulation. Because the investors are insistent and relentless and rich the government eventually gives in.
Along the way the investors learn or pick up another bad habbit: that the return on investment in politicians is much, much, much greater than the return on investment in orthodox, socially constructive investments.
The people who gave George Bush his campaign war chest, funded him with a then unheard of amount of $65 million dollars – that was expected to get him through the entire election. Then, in early 2000 Bush lost the New Hampshire primary to an unexpected and insurgent McCain. Up to that time no one had ever lost New Hampshire and become president. Bush was then fighting an existential battle in the next round of primaries in South Carolina and Michigan. McCain had momentum, a heroic military background, and a catchy slogan (straight talk express/maverick).
To win the next round Bush spent almost the entire $65 million war chest. With the help of that enoromous amount of money and illicit tactics, such as the whisper campaign implemented by Karl Rove that McCain’s adopted Bangla Deshi daughter was really the result of McCain having an illicit affair with an African American (not true of course – but effective in both South Carolina and among certain Republicans in Michigan) Bush survived that round and became the inevitable Republican candidate. But his war chest was not wiped out. Nevertheless, within a few weeks time, his war chest had some how recovered and was back up to almost $69 million dollars.
So presumably most of that money came from narrow sources, though perhaps indirectly. Those sources provided Bush with a then unheard of amount of roughly $140 million. In the first four years of his Presidency, Bush would move at least $5 trillion (and as much as 10 trillion) dollars (depending on how you count it) from the demand side of the economy to the supply side. Roughly $5 trillion dollars went to less than 30,000 people. Bush also pushed for more and greater deregulation – everything that rich, er, investors wanted.
A result of that, is that wealth is so overwhelmingly concentrated in our society now that it has permanently warped our politics, the way that holding a magnet close to a compass warps and impedes the function and the performance of the compass.
In the mean time demand collapse, bringing down the flimsy financial implementations that came with Bush’s deregulation. But because the rich had so much political power as a result of the concentration of wealth, the government bailed many of them out. Even though demand is still moribund, and jobs are gone, and mainstreet is hurting, Wall Street has basically recovered, thank you very much.
Demand is seemingly permanently moribund without government stimulus (of which declaring bankruptcy is one such stimulus because the day after bankruptcy, provided a person still has a job, their purchasing power, i.e. demand, begins to increase).
What we could use now, is another Y2K problem to generate demand for employment.
Meanwhile, why would the rich ever invest in the economy again given the returns and the safety of those returns that investing in politicians has given them? Things are really messed up.
Hey Cringely!
I don’t think you should impose a character(count) limit, but you might impose a character limit … a button that says: By clicking this I attest that I am wearing my aluminum foil hat today.
Lead foil in my case.
Hi Tim,
Your remarks about getting a high return from investing in politicians make a lot of sense to me. Also, it was a clever way to put it.
As far as Y2K is concerned, I doubt if we will ever know the true effectiveness of all the remediation efforts.
The IT people will tend to defend it. The business firms that didn’t do enough remediation and had to resort to work-arounds aren’t likely to reveal their poor decisions. All that can be said for sure is that most of us survived.
Hi Tim,
Excellent analysis, you put some basic economic and social realities in plain English.
Also, thanks to Cringely for this Y2K follow up.
Saul
I think you have it pretty well right, Tim. I would only add one thing. The downward pressure on labor costs due to globalization (China, India, etc.) hasn’t been figured in to your argument except via implication. The same rich people who funded Bush have also positioned themselves between the west and the huge, cheap labor pools in Asia, hoping to skim from the massive money outflow, but they have ran into a problem. People in the west have lost wages down to the level of their mortgage payments. Also I love your term “supply side saturation.” The rich have always seen the problem as being that labor costs were too high in the west. Now we have flooded the west with large amounts of goods that they didn’t earn money to make, and now can’t afford due to unemployment and stagnant/shrinking wages, coupled with high long-term debts.
Now back on the subject, and to Bob. One of the main reasons I read your column, Bob, is that you were the first person to talk about Y2K in the media, and I read about it in 1991 from you when you first warned us. I see Y2K as a very big milestone in human development. This time, we actually saw a huge problem, took action, and fixed it in time with little or no negative effects. (If only we did it with Katrina.) I feel you were a big part of that. Every time I hear someone joke about Y2K I go out of my way to correct them on its significance, both in threat and in its solution. I just want to thank you Bob, for being right both in 1991 and in 1999. Keep up the good work.
Had a comp with a dicky mobo that needed the bios reset every time it booted. It took me til 2002 to work out that it was a genuine Y2K bug, after which I reflashed the bios and it was fine.
I replaced the thing shortly afterward, but if the whole world had been using that manufacturer, civilization was doomed.
English mother****, do you speak it?
How do you say “bitch” in english?
Sue, thanks. That made my day.
Maty was plain as day: you other gous need some Komputr edumacation. Cringely, you left the door open! :^)
I know of a company that set up their command post, manned by selected managers, and all the other preparations that everybody recommended. Shortly after midnight the power went out in the command post, isolating it from the rest of the plant, the company and the world. When they stepped outside, they saw lights on everywhere. The command post emergency generator had run out of fuel.
Y2K would have been a huge disaster if no preparations were taken. Go figure, we know a problem is coming up and we have plenty of time to fix it and then we fix it. What is interesting is how we got into the Y2K mess in the first place and I am not just talking about the technical aspects, but the motivational aspects. As a software developer myself, I ask the question why do we take shortcuts? In the context of Y2K, why did so many developers limit year representations to one byte or epochs to times that will fail on a specific date. Did they think it would never come? I think the core of the problem is people will say it is easier for “me” to do it this way and let the smuck down the road worry about fixing the mess later. You see the same principle with the IP4 specification, who needs that many IP addresses anyways? So we have to ask what other things like this are lurking that “we” today are just passively ignoring and letting the thought of it is in the future and it is not my problem lull us into a mental coma? Outside the realm of software development you could point to the national debt and how eventually down the road the capacity of the world to absorb such a debt load will fail and then the real price will be paid.
So Bob, put your thinking cap on and look forward and tell us today what other Y2K scenarios are waiting in the bushes in the future.
Your question about the 2 digit year is a good one.
IMO much of it was due a combination of human nature and the CODASYL specification, which mandated that the system date *must* be accepted as yymmdd.
Now consider that during the 70s and much of the 80s almost no systems ran for more 10 years without a major rewrite to take advantage of new database technology and/or the change from batch processing to online systems. This combination almost guaranteed that it would take an exceptional system designer to realize that two digit year representation was going to cause a major problem in 15-20 years. Hell, in the 70s I didn’t even expect to see 2000: a nuclear war before then seemed much more likely.
BTW, I include myself in the shortsighted list. Of all the systems I designed or worked on in the 70s and early 80s only one was still running in the late 90s and even that was replaced before 2000 due to a move from COBOL and IDMS to a 4GL and a relational database forced by a hardware change from mainframe to UNIX servers. As it happened, that was the only one of my systems that would have survived unchanged and that was purely because it handled such a wide date range (from 55BC into the future) and such a variety of date formats that we were forced to think really hard about date handling during the initial design.
I’m wondering why in the hell american audience is so unbrain and easily freaked out.
Today the paranoia of Y2K in the media gave way to paranoia involving national security. All with the same sense of emergency and despair without many concrete reasons.
National security is the one thing national governments should be paranoid about. Terrorists continue to prove in this century that they exist.
Yeah, like that underwear bomber Yemen sent right after we
shot cruise missiles at them and paid the Saudis to run a hundred bombing missions. The nerve of those dirt poor ragged peasants,
using their brains to get our undies in a twist.
Who is the king hell of terror on this planet? My taxes kill a million peasants, I torture and assassinate anyone that stands in my way in dozens of secret prisons, I hire mercs unfettered by any law. Who does that? Me, so shut your pie hole pal, you can’t handle the terror I put out.
Sure, real scary. One guy with bombs that don’t go off. Obsession with airports and planes… the only part of society with actual security.
9/11/01
Which terrorist group caused that third tower to go down?
2 towers. 3 planes. Same terror group.
Another “advantage” to the Y2K preparations (you might have mentioned this in a column a long time ago) is the construction of redundant data centers and backup systems. In expectation of a major power or communications problem in NYC, large companies were building mirror facilities in New Jersey, Boston, and upstate New York, and even out of the country.
While these data centers weren’t needed on the day 10 years ago, they were extremely necessary and welcome on September 12th, 2001, as the collapse of the towers destroyed much equipment, data, backup tapes, and a significant chunk of the south manhattan power grid and communications systems. The Wall Street system that depended on data from WTC-based corporations was able to continue almost without interruption.
I bought a thousand pounds of beans and grain direct from a farmer for $300, spent another couple hundred on storage buckets, and stuck them in a storage unit, just in case. Not a huge investment; perhaps for that reason, I breathed a huge sigh of relief when nothing happened.
Spent more money on camping gear (which I still use recreationally). Bought a couple firearms, and still enjoy target shooting.
The key to effective survivalism: do things which improve your life even if nothing terrible happens.
A thousand pounds of beans and grain improved your life? How were you able to use it all before it went bad?
I packaged it in a way that would last for years. That’s a lot of food for very little money.
You could re-package the beans into 5kg sealed vacuum packs and put pictures of mushroom clouds on them and slap on some paranoiac-baiting copy like “NO SHARE BEANS — Fuel For The Coming Age Of Chaos” and sell them at a huge markup to the current generation of doomers.
Capitalism, like roaches, survives all catastrophes.
>> Capitalism, like roaches, survives all catastrophes.
Ah, dreadful partisanship there. (If you can name the source of that quote, an autographed tin foil hat. My autograph, not Mr. X.)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but, like the rats, roaches will die out after their hosts, you and me, disappear. They have been adapted to human civilization.
I Knew It – it’s all about lentils!!
I don’t mean to burst your bubble Bob, but it looks like Arthur C. Clarke beat you by about a year. In chapter 4 of the novel The Ghost From the Grand Banks_, a science-fictional treatment of an attempt to raise the _Titanic_ from the ocean floor, Mr. Clarke describes the problem succinctly. His book was published in 1990.
I’m not going to argue with Arthur C. Clarke, that’s for sure, but I actually mentioned the problem first in an InfoWorld column in 1988 or -89.
Bob, Y2K did cause a recession, at least in the IT industry in the UK. I was working in a large software house at the time which was severely impacted: we were not involved in the dot-com bubble.
The type of stuff we did (telcos, secure networking and financial systems) meant that we didn’t pick up much Y2K remediation work, so we suffered a double hit. New development was postponed during remediation and then again afterward because remediation had swallowed more of our clients’ IT budgets than they had anticipated.
When will the extravagance of the Concord be reenacted with “PRIVATE AIR CHECK IN”? A custom tailored certified TSA bus fitted out for custom check in, no lines, and complete comfort and disgession.
David Brin has this one: FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2006
The Ongoing Creep of New Feudalism…
A while back, under comments, I posed a small question that some people have urged me to make a headline item… after all, it seems to have almost completely escaped notice as a symptom of a growing class divide.
Does the demise of First Class bode poorly for an egalitarian civilization?
That sounds like a contradiction. A question that would seem to refute itself, a priori. After all, First Class is, by its very nature, unequal treatment, no? Did we not all grow up glancing through those curtains at the champaign-swilling luxury of giant seats, leg room, table cloths and rubbing elbows with the rich and famous?
Only the “rich and famous” aren’t flying First class anymore. Without fanfare or publicity (deliberately, of course) the wealthy/celebrated have been shifting their travel methods, switching away from First Class on regular airline flights, transferring either to corporate style smaller jets or else to special “charters” — that in fact are starting to take on the regularity of regular airlines, with a few special features.
1) They fly out of charter terminals, allowing special security treatment – both greater saftey and lesser screening hassles that bypass what the rest of us (even “frequent/trusted flyers) have to endure in the main terminals.
2) Naturally, the whole VIP lounge thing goes over the top at these terminals for the aristocracy.
In fact, have you noticed? First Class has almost no rich or famous people anymore. Just businessmen and frequent flyer upgrades (a great way for airlines to sop up millions of surplus miles). Along the way, of course, “first class” has also degraded… in ways beyond simply losing the capital letters. Lower levels of service, fewer amenities, though you do get the latest electronic gimncrackery earlier than people back in the cattle coach.
It all makes me wonder about the agenda. If First Class is no longer for the highest, buhttps://www.blogger.com/img/gl.link.gift more of a way to deliver upper-middle-class specialists to their next busy meeting a little less worn out — and a way to sop up double frequent flyer miles — then how long before citizens even get around to noticing that another threshold has been passed, on our way to a caste-and-class ridden society?
No wonder the new charter companies strive so hard for “discretion. (http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2006/09/ongoing-creep-of-new-feudalism.html)
What happened to your year end predictions column?
Tomorrow, I promise.
Happy New Year to you Bob,
You didn’t mention that the Y2K panic lead to a shortage of programmers who could read code and apply fixes. That in turn encouraged companies to outsource much of the effort to India. When Y2K passed into history, it left behind infrastructure and a management mind-set that they no longer needed expensive US programmers.
I think that’s overstating it a bit. I remember visiting Bangalore in 1998 and there was already a lot more than just Y2K remediation going on there.
The Y2K replaced a bunch of 1970 tech with late 1990’s tech and the companies involved are waiting to get 25 years out of them.
So around 2020 look for an upgrade. Meanwhile:
They used to tell me I was building a dream,
and so I followed the mob,
When there was a database to build or tech to upgrade,
I was always there right on the job.
They used to tell me I was building a dream,
with peace and glory ahead,
Why should I be standing in line, just waiting for bread?
Say, don’t you remember, they called me Cringley;
it was Cringely all the time.
Say, don’t you remember, I’m your pal?
Buddy, can you spare a dime?
Liked the post but missed the traditional 2010 Cringely predictions.
Is your crystal ball still spinning ?
*Impatient* 🙂
Hey bob where is season 2 of NeRDTV? Its going to be almost five years of completion of season 1. It has been too long.
I doubt whether or not season 2 comes.
At our large organization, they first inventoried each and every electronic equipement that might be affected, and then imposed a generic set of inflexible rules that must be applied to that equipment. One of my pieces of laboratory test equipment was in the category of equipment that must comply with the general rules, but in point of fact the computer controller and software we had developed ourselves was unaffected by Y2k. Unfortunately, that answer was not the easy way out. I spent 6 total work-weeks to come up with a solution to keep a $100k piece of equipment and associated data acquisition and analysis hardware and software. The solution resembled a waiver of requirements, based on the non-applicability of the need for that hardware. It would have been easier if I could have done that at the beginning.
Bob!
I enjoyed this column for the “three parts.” Certainly items #1 and #2 made me think of some people today. Especially your phrase “…there would be Mad Maxian mass civil unrest…”
YouTube is one of the fora for the “stock up canned food and toilet paper now, hoard gold and silver metal and buy enough ammo” before it is too late. And, of course, burn Bernanke in effigy.
For example http://www.youtube.com/user/demcad.
It is (and was [Y2K]) all great fun, Bob.
Happy New year to you and yours Bob!
Yeah. Where is Bob’s New Years picture?
Our Y2K bug was interesting. We worked hard with the firm that had produced the software we ran, which had to be up-to-date and ready to tackle minute problems as well as dates on forms or process cycling. Everything seemed to be set.
When 2000 hit I was alone in the office when the errors started pouring in, one a minute. The computer kept cycling back in time, and then would report that things had reset. Every minute. I had to do a blurb of commands to clear the message from the system every minute. Every there’d be a new beep, and that beep was indistinguishable from all kinds of errors or security problems. I left a despondent log entry in the system and gave up trying to clear all the stupid messages, and in the morning my supervisor came in, took over, and had me clear all the messages by hand. Bleary eyed, I did it. I survived my own little bump in the road from the Y2K bug.
What gets to me was not the folks that said very little would happen, like you did Bob; I was thankful for such sober messages, especially in hindsight. No, the big problem was those who said NOTHING happened, and completely disregard all the work that went into making sure the systems worked. It’s heartening to know that everything WASN’T so interconnected, I think to do that invites all kinds of problems if it’s a deep interdependency, but to say nothing happened at all is revisionist nonsense from people who never had to deal with it directly.
And yeah, those who presage disaster tend to want it. Disturbing but true.
omitted a minute 🙂 stupid rhetorical devices.
Calling it psychological is a bit off the mark. Fear and survivalism is based on religion. The proof of that is it wasn’t just Y2k, it’s prevalent now and in many places. We see it applied to peak oil, global warming, financial failure and most other large changes throughout history.
Many religions predict a doomsday, but leave the details unclear. That is why every “crisis” is extrapolated to being “the end”. Doomsday is also supposedly a turning point to something better, which is why so many people want it to happen. And being a religious belief means it doesn’t have to be backed up by facts. They believe because it must be true.
I dare you to write a column about this… it’s sure to bring back the threats of violence.
“It’s religion”… meh… still psychological.
“Fear and survivalism is based” *on human instinct.* If our ancestors weren’t concerned with such things, *you* wouldn’t be alive today. That the instinct is so old also informs us as to why it is so poor when dealing with new technology-based societal problems. Very abstracted from our 5 senses.
“Many religions predict a doomsday, but leave the details unclear. That is why every “crisis” is extrapolated to being “the end”. Doomsday is also supposedly a turning point to something better, which is why so many people want it to happen. And being a religious belief means it doesn’t have to be backed up by facts. ”
Death/growth cycles are a part of nature. If anything, doomsday/newdawn prophecies are simply a conscious cultural acknowledgement of that. The real defining factor, IMO, is whether, in knowing such, we can actively alter the trajectory of our natural tendencies and that of complex systems.
Yes and no. Religion is involved, but this kind of paranoia runs from Jim Jones to bin Laden and everywhere in between. If it is every religion then religion isn’t the issue, just the tool.
Where I worked we remediated millions of line of COBOL to handle the date change and we started working in about 1994, with a mandate that as systems were being upgraded or new ones coming online that Y2K be taken care of then. But we still had a task force going for 18 months certifying our stuff and that of our partners (and we had hundreds) could continue to do business with us.
We to this day still use sytems that went into production in the 1970s.
I also worked at the National Y2K command center in DC that week monitoring status and it was uneventful except for a very few isolated systems that were caught early and handled. After 6 hours or so, it was clear nothing was happening although we stayed up for another week to catch intermittent issues.
Y2K – it was the #2 “Chicken Little” story of the century. Orson Wells’ “War of the Worlds” radio broadcast was the first. People are sheep, and when something hits the media we as a society tend to believe it rather than doubt it. This is how the “National Inquirer” makes money. The same goes with technology – the first rumor gets the money or the downfall – ask any venture capitalist.
While there WERE issues, analog still worked. Pencil & paper – jot it down and when the system is restored, we’ll update the data. But everybody freaked! Life did NOT end, we all kept breathing and went on our merry way.
Did we learn something? I hope – computers aren’t everything, they are just a THING. When they control you it’s time to go on a long vacation. Why do you think the Corona Beer commercials are so relevant to our day and time?
See you in Mexico –
Roger
Y2K was the first of real and looming ubiquitous problems in technology which tip over the societal imbalances. Read La Technique: L’enjeu du siècle for an extensive study on how technology traps the technologist. The author foresaw y2k and beyond in general.
What happens when the credit card readers stop to function? No clerk is trained today to process carbons and if the button on the register isn’t exactly working right sometimes not even a manager can override. To “balance” the tills manually is a skill long since made obsolete. But each scenario really bites hard in a stressed situation – IE hurricane or other disaster that puts tech off line.
In 30 years the generation that has to google everything or be in constant chat contact with their peers hopefully can function if these go offline or missing for extended periods of time.
When was the last time you used the card index at a library? Searched microfiche from inside the library? I can’t find many librarians who can tell me how to do this now a day’s and they have advanced degrees in their field. Not sure if even such catalogs and archives are even maintained now.
There are a growing number of y2k like events that go by each year not be recognized as such in which technologists took a shortcut and nobody knew it till it was too late.
I’d posit such hidden events as the fact that Northern cities of the West rushed to put LED traffic signals into production and when a hard and persistent winter struck found out they don’t melt snow off the lens as the old incandescent lights used to. Is this engineering failure, acquisition requirements failure, safety testing failure, political failure? But the damn things are everywhere now.
Before they entertains us, new technologies tend to humiliate us first.
Look out for y10K! it is coming.
actually, it’s probably only application programmers causing these problems (like thinking of a date as a character string instead of a number). Sometimes, they produce apps that aren’t even next-year compatible.
After 2000, Cringley and others correctly pointed out that while it was not a disaster in the sense that some people predicted, it was an economic disaster, and an engineering fiasco that should not have happened. Starting in the late 1980s, most software was fixed or replaced during routine maintenance, in plenty of time. This was cheaper and easier than the mad rush some companies had to resort to during the last few years of the 1990s.
Programmers at banks and other institutions that dealt with mortgages and other long-term contracts, lasting 30 years or more, encountered and fixed the Y2K problem in the 1970s. The problem was common knowledge to programmers everywhere by 1980.
Some people here have remarked that the problem never existed in the first place, and it was a sort of hoax. These people know nothing about programming.
It is melancholy but not surprising to hear that none of the rabid catastrophe mongers had the guts to apologize to Cringley, or to admit that he was right after all. The same thing has happened to me many times with regard to cold fusion. Ordinary folks and distinguished professors alike often attack it, claiming that it was never replicated or that replications were never published in peer-reviewed journals, or this, or that, or some other unfounded or nonsensical assertion. I have ~1,200 peer-reviewed journal papers copied from the library at Los Alamos, and several thousand others from various sources. I have uploaded a bibliography and about a thousand papers. So, several times a month these people contact me, or I contact them, and set them straight, sending them copies of papers from journals. I am usually polite about it, saying “your assertion is wrong, please see the attached from J. Electronal. Chem. / Los Alamos / (or what have you).” Often they shut up and stop attacking the subject, but I do not recall any who wrote back to say “oops, thanks for telling me that, and sorry I got it wrong.”
Any readers here who may be inclined to jump in and declare that cold fusion is bogus or not replicated should please restrain themselves for a moment and have a look here:
http://lenr-canr.org
Just for once, try reading actual scientific papers written by actual scientists at credible institutions, rather than anonymous nonsense posted in Wikipedia by people who give themselves nicknames from comic books and Star Wars. A great deal of confusion would be averted if only people would follow this common-sense recommendation. I am sure there was plenty of level-headed technical advice on the Y2K problem in 1998 that people might have turned to, instead of the National Enquirer. (I myself fixed the problem long before 1998, so I did not read the technical literature. I did read Cringley’s book.)
Just because people stop arguing with you about cold fusion does not mean you’ve convinced them.
ronc says:
“Just because people stop arguing with you about cold fusion does not mean you’ve convinced them.”
Well, the people I have in mind are at Time magazine and the New Scientist. They did not admit they were wrong, but they did stop publishing attacks on the subject, and assertions that Fleischmann and Pons were criminals and “Branch Davidian lunatics.” I’ll settle for that.
The other day a Prof. Dylla attacked but in response to several letters he published a follow up statement saying it was not fraud, only a mistake. A partial retraction is better than nothing. See:
http://blogs.physicstoday.org/newspicks/2009/12/opinion-scientific-integrity.html
I told Dylla:
“The bibliography at LENR-CANR.org shows that the effect has been replicated thousands of times at high signal to noise ratios, in many different laboratories. In experimental science, an effect that is widely replicated and reported in the peer-reviewed literature is real, by definition. It cannot be a mistake. Replication is the only standard of truth allowed in science. . . . If an effect could be replicated ~17,000 times in hundreds of laboratories and yet still be a mistake, the experimental method itself would not work.”
Needless to say, he did not want to hear this.
Not sure if people saw this, but Slate did a bit of a review of Y2K recently (although they mention the key article appearing in 1993!):
https://www.slate.com/id/2235357/
The link in the article I found most interesting was a paper that compared reactions to Y2K with lack of reactions towards environmental issues (http://eprints.utas.edu.au/8329/). Y2K gave a deadline, warned of catastrophic effects if not dealt with and when things didn’t fall over, a lot of people thought it was wasted money. Interesting that until things collapse, people don’t consider precaution worth spending on.
I recall having to fix a “day 10000” problem in PICK based systems. The date was calculated as the number if days from An epoch, Dick Picks birthday. This was stored in databases as a four digit number, alright up to day 9999, then all dates would slop back to Dicks birthday.
It was our own mini Y2K and we sorted the problem well before and set us up for a smooth Y2k.
Although by that time manegement used the Y2K scare to get the board to approve a SAP implementation 🙂
Jimbo says:
“I recall having to fix a “day 10000″ problem in PICK based systems. The date was calculated as the number if days from An epoch, Dick Picks birthday. . . .”
That’s hysterical! Talk about a legacy system.
Legacy???????? Once Dr. Codd had done his thing, Dick took to calling his mish-mash the “post relational database”. Never mind that he had cobbled it together well before Dr. Codd’s paper was public, and Larry had released Oracle.
Robert Young says:
“Legacy????????”
I was just kidding. I meant the notion of leaving an operating system Julian date system that goes back to your own birthday is a funny legacy to the future. Especially when it keeps dropping back to it every 27 years! I guess Julius Caesar was the last person to leave his signature on the calendar in such a big way.
There was a lot screwy but wonderful stuff in the early operating systems. They sure were easier to use. If only . . . If only IBM had purchased the Data General Nova operating system instead of Microsoft’s think of how many bugs we would have avoided. Multitasking would have worked from the get-go, instead of more or less working after Windows Release 3. As I recall, one of Cringley’s books or articles said that IBM considered going to Data General.
It was Digital Research, and Kildall was off flying his airplane and couldn’t be bothered with the Suits. Or so the story goes. The bare bones is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Research
Bob,
The same 3 observations you made about Y2K paranoia apply to Climate Change handwringers.
Someone wrote an excellent book about this phenomenon.
I believe the title of it is “Chicken Little”
Wikipedia says that “sky is falling” folklore is over 2000 years old.
Sounds about right.
People get fixated on things going wrong, and on the worst-case consequences. Invariably, human ingenuity and adaptability are in response are grossly underestimated.
Personally, I think global warming is real. But I am not bothered at all, because I am confident people will cope with whatever the consequences, if any.
The prevention becomes worse than the cure. These hysterias are like getting cancer from multiple mammograms to detect a cancer you were not going to get.
“Personally, I think global warming is real. But I am not bothered at all, because I am confident people will cope with whatever the consequences, if any.”
While that may be true, by saying that you are encouraging the wackos since they consider themselves the “people” to which you refer. They are already making us cope through their legislative efforts and by rewarding the electric companies for producing less electricity while encouraging people to use less of their product, and charging us all more for the reduced amount.
Seems that Microsoft and Symantec are experiencing Y 2.01K bugs right now:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/05/windows_mobe_bug/
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/05/symantec_y2k10_bug/
Robert Young says:
“It was Digital Research [that IBM went to], and Kildall was off flying his airplane and couldn’t be bothered with the Suits. Or so the story goes.”
Yes. And IBM did offer the Digital Research operating system with the first IBM PC. But I read somewhere that IBM also talked with Data General about licensing the Nova operating system. I guess maybe it was the Micro-Nova version. Anyway, I wish they had licensed it. The Data General operating systems were much better than anything that Digital Research or Microsoft had. They were stable, small, fast and reliable, with a good set of system calls. They could run 4 jobs in 64 KB with good speed and reliable communication between jobs. When one job crashed — which seldom happened — the others were unaffected. In some ways they were better than Windows is today.
The other payoff of Y2K that you allude to should be stated explicitly: The US media proved that it could not be trusted to give the straight story. To anybody working in IT in 1999, it was obvious that Y2K was a real issue, it was being dealt with, and that come 1/1/2000, we weren’t going to see any major disasters. But as you noted, that wasn’t the story the media chose to tell. They chose hype over truth, and have only gotten worse in the years since.
A different Russ says:
“The other payoff of Y2K that you allude to should be stated explicitly: The US media proved that it could not be trusted to give the straight story. . . .”
With the prominent exception of Robert Cringley on PBS!
Look carefully, and you will often find some mass media reports that get the story straight. For example, before the war there were clear indications that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction. Mass media reporters often parrot the same story without checking, but not always.
In my field, cold fusion, the mass media has been wildly incorrect for 20 years, spewing out hundreds of nonsensical stories based on rumors and wild imagination. However, if you look carefully you will find reports in Wired magazine or the April 2009 CBS “60 Minutes” broadcast (for example) that are completely correct. And you can always read the peer-reviewed technical literature or books published by the American Chemical Society. So the truth is always out there. In the case of Y2K I am sure there were plenty of computer trade magazines and technical literature describing the problem accurately.
The new Symantec Y2.01K bug is getting fun. They still haven’t fixed it and some of the larger companies use security software that won’t allow server and VPN connections from computers with out-of-date AV software. Whole networks without access and IT managers pulling their hair out.
https://www.symantec.com/connect/forums/sepm-update
The “fix is in QC and just about ready for release” two days ago – sure it was!
I haven’t seen an analysis of the cause of this bug, but it hit some banks too. Not sure if they were having VPN problems due to out-of-date AV or it was in their programs too.
Great post. The alarmist mentality extended into the intelligence community, where I worked. We at DOE Intelligence participated in drafting a National Intelligence Estimate that focused on foreign energy grids among other things. Our piece was the Russian nuclear power sector, and we got lots of feedback from the DOE technical specialists who were working closely with their Russian counterparts at MinAtom & at the reactor sites. We understood that remediation was well in hand and no one anticipated any problems. This optimistic forecast did not sit well with CIA, and our input to the NIE draft was trashed in favor of a highly alarmist assessment from Langley. As you might guess, in the aftermath we received no acknowledgement that we were right and the Chicken Littles were wrong. CIA, as always, is too big to fail.
Thanks for the memories. I coordinated the Y2K project for a Fortune 500 company. I remember a letter from a customer demanding we swear we were ready for YK2 — yes, YK2. The letter repeated YK2 over and over again.
I remember a nightly newsperson warning us all that our microwave ovens might fail. My wife wouldn’t let me watch the news after that because she thought I would have a stroke.
In 2001, my company was taken over by a larger company. They threw much of our software out, as should be done in most mergers. I retired early with a nice package. Now I teach remedial math to college “students” who spent 4 years of high school learning nothing. And they don’t remember Y2K.
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