My friend Bob Litan, who is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, is worried about COVID-19 herd immunity. Specifically, Bob worries that the only way our population can reach the 60-70 percent immunity rate required to protect us all from the novel coronavirus is if some people are paid to take the shot. And Bob may be correct: a Gallup poll last month concluded that 35 percent of Americans would refuse to be vaccinated.
Uh-oh.
Bob thinks the way around this problem is to pay people, giving them an economic incentive to do the right thing. This got me thinking about the whole concept of economic incentives, which I generally think are a bad idea.
An incentive is a reward used to encourage a specific behavior. Incentives are used strictly to motivate people who can afford not to do what you ask — they are for people who have choices. Disadvantaged people aren’t generally viewed as needing incentives so they generally don’t get many. I’m 67 and need no incentive at all, for example, to accept the Social Security payment I get on the fourth Wednesday of every month. Old people, poor people, sick or disabled people aren’t generally viewed as needing incentives because we are just trying to survive.
What I don’t like about incentives is they cost money (sometimes a LOT of money — typically going to people who don’t actually need it) and they almost never achieve their stated goals.
For example, the U.S. Small Business Administration’s Paycheck Protection Program (PPP — a COVID-19-related loan program intended to keep the U.S. economy from cratering during the pandemic) ended last month with $140 BILLION in funds left over. Can this mean there were no small businesses remaining that needed to borrow money? Hell, no. It meant that $140+ billion in SBA loan applications were turned down because lenders did not perceive their incentives as big enough to justify the risk of approving the loan.
The big SBA lenders stopped lending long before the program ended. Having already served all their big customers the program was never intended to serve, plus all of their existing business customers, the banks either stopped accepting applications (Wells Fargo — MY business bank — did that) or they took applications then denied pretty much every small business that applied.
Apparently the incentive offered (primarily a fee for originating the loan) just wasn’t worth the effort or the perceived risk. Remember the loans weren’t 100 percent guaranteed, so there was some risk. There was also the additional effort of PPP forgiveness auditing. No wonder the banks were slow to get into this program until they had figured a way to game it and were so quick to get out of it once their game was exposed.
Where in all this lay civic duty? Evidently nowhere.
Where in all this lay the SBA opening-up a can of whoop-ass on the banks? Definitely nowhere.
Instead, the SBA eventually opened-up the PPP program to non-bank lenders including PayPal, Intuit, QuickBooks Capital, Square Capital, Kabbage, Veem, and Biz2Credit. These non-banks made about 200,000 loans out of five million — about four percent of the total.
This looks to me like a failure of economic incentives. Had the incentives worked, all the allocated money would have been loaned.
How could incentives be made better?
SBA lenders are paid a fee for originating loans to eligible small businesses — loans that are for the most part guaranteed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government. This fee is the bank’s incentive and the risk they face is the 15 percent of the loan principal that is not guaranteed.
If you go back and read news coverage of the PPP program you’ll see that established SBA lenders were not very quick to start issuing loans. And when they did start lending, most banks limited their PPP loans to their existing business banking customers including many larger outfits that technically didn’t even qualify as small businesses.
Remember this was on top of another $500 billion lent to big businesses through another, generally opaque, government program.
The first tranche of PPP loans, more than $300 billion in all, was sucked-up in two weeks by borrowers who could have borrowed the same amount of money elsewhere. That’s against the basic tenants of the SBA, which according to the Small Business Act is the lender of last resort. In many SBA loan programs you can only borrow the money if you first prove that can’t get it anywhere else. But that wasn’t generally the case with that first $300 billion in PPP money, which argues pretty strongly, I’d say, that those particular lender incentives were wasted.
The whole idea, remember, was to boost the economy by stuffing it with cash. The economy would be doing better right now had that extra $140 billion been loaned. But the incentive evidently wasn’t enough.
What about the incentive to help the economy, to avoid recession and possible economic depression during a unique national crisis? That doesn’t seem to have had much effect on the lenders, damn them.
I’m trying to understand this behavior, because I didn’t like it in the Great Recession of 2009 and I don’t like it in 2020 — both cases where credit for small businesses was supposed to have been greatly expanded but wasn’t (or hasn’t been). Huge bailouts helped the banks, but the banks couldn’t be bothered to help small businesses. How can this be improved the next time around? Because we all know there will be a next time.
I think the answer is for Walmart to become one of those non-bank SBA lenders.
With more than $500 billion in sales, Walmart is a proxy for the US economy. Unlike any big bank, Walmart has customers, workers, and a vested economic interest in nearly every community in America. Also unlike those banks, Walmarts interests are, in this case, aligned with those of its would-be borrowers, who are also Walmart customers.
Say what you will about Walmart, but my Mom, who died in 2014, lived in Bentonville, AR, where Walmart is based. She bought her house in 1980 from Rob Walton, now chairman of the company. It wasn’t much of a house for a billionaire, but the Walmart CEO at the time, David Glass. lived (and still lives) next-door. My uncle JD (just JD — this was the south, remember) used to play poker with Walmart founder Sam Walton when Sam owned the Ben Franklin store in Newport, AR, where JD was the town’s only doctor. I believe I have a sense of Walmart and the Waltons.
And the Waltons, it turns out, know a thing or two about banking.
Walmart, like Apple, knows there are structural and legal limits to its growth that can only be broken by entering entirely new businesses. What if they became SBA lenders, threw-in $20 billion of their own money (probably enough to support $1 trillion in guaranteed loans) and made it the company’s goal to save America’s small businesses?
It would succeed. Pick up your check at Customer Service.
How ironic if Walmart, a company generally blamed for hurting small business in America, was the one to save it.
And here’s the thing: you know Walmart would kick all the other SBA lenders to the curb simply because in this scenario what’s good for American small businesses would be good for Walmart.
Their interests would be aligned and the incentives would finally be clear.
First of all, loan origination fees are bull$&@!. A lending institution today spends very little time in loan review and approval given the quality of the loans their making so taking an upfront fee is just wrong. It should be illegal. Second you fail to mention the hazy rules that were issued which made borrowers wary about what they were getting into, a hallmark of Trump. I’d say Amazon could do this better since they’re better at innovation than Walmart.
The federal government needs to identify those sectors where there is little or no competition, like all of telecommunications or banking or medicine, and become the market competition in those sectors.
If the market is always right, and competition corrects the competitive forces at work trying to tip said market out of balance, then the government: of the people, by the people, and for the people, cannot be an unfair Influence on the structural Forces needed to keep the market honest, resilient and competitive.
Why should banks get a better lending rate than the actual engine of the economy, people?
Why should telecom companies be allowed to collude and offer inferior service that degrades all of US society when every other industrialized nation has demonstrably superior serviceS and features.
The same goes for our disastrous healthcare system.
Indeed. Again and again, we’ve seen cities try to provide internet connectivity as a utility and state governments pass legislation making it illegal. Our government in bed with lazy/greed corporations.
So your solution to “lazy…corporations” is to get the government to “compete”? The same organization that brought us the VA, the DMV, the Post Office, “public” education, et al.? The government that apparently has zero limits on its ability to throw money down ratholes? That government?
What happens when the government enters a commercial sector, then runs out all for-profit businesses by scooping up available talent into overpaid make-work public union jobs and undercutting prices via taxpayer-subsidized losses? Do you think the resultant government monoculture would have a chance in hell of delivering a better result than those “lazy” corporations? Riiiight. Where’s the incentive?
While I’d be very happy to get vaccinated, I would not rush to the clinic because at the moment we have no evidence that the vaccine has been validated. I’m definitely not an antivaxer but it takes a while to test a vaccine properly and that has not been done yet.
Bob, do you by chance need an incentive to update the Kickstarter page to let them know the venture failed? What if I offered to pay you, ohhh, I don’t know…$35k? Would that be enough of an incentive for you to take a few minutes out of your day and put those people out of their misery?
There are so many problems with this Cringely blog I don’t know where to begin. It’s widely known the British Pime Minister, Gordon Brown, saved the planet on meltdown day. The whole problem initially being caused by, you guessed it, America. I suspect Americas economic problems are like the mineserver Kickstarter mess.
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I can name drop friends too but I’m not. For a start we may have different definition of what “friend” is. A friend is someone you have a social lunch with or help out when they are fixing the garden gate or who will look after your dog for a week while you’re in hospital. A person you exchanged a few emails and gossip with is not a friend. A person who retweeted you is not a friend. There’s psychology books with friendship models in them such as Stranger->Aquintance->Friend->Close Friend->Intimate Friend. Relationships tend to break down when any of the involved parties is out of sync with the others. For instance we’re just hearing Cringelys view (or spin) on the relationship. Nobody has the other view. Have they even met? There’s psychology on this too. A relationship formed by space can never ever be close like a relationship formed together. The two relationships have a hugely different quality about them.
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What is it with Cringely and corporate sugardaddies? First Apple now Walmart. Zaibatsu went out of date at the end of WWII.
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Cringelys claim to know the Waltons is about as true as Cringely being a member of the British establishment because he went to British private school. It’s like drinking at the rugby club bar doesn’t make you a member of the team. I know because both players and board members have been clients of mine. I can tell you how big their todger is and what their decorating is like. Are they friends? Gosh, this is always a danger with my job. I’m really happy with some clients being friends or at least being friendly but business is always businesss so there would always be a barrier.
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Two friends of mine who both went to finishing school are daughters of two of the wealthiest families in the UK. One old-ish money and the other new money. They are the kind of people the newspapers report on when they get married or who the magazines do an article on when they get their place decorated and they want to show off. Both are quite useless and have never done a real job in their lives. As for marriage arrangments one very definately got married off to a man with business acumen her father approved of. The other was a spare and her marriage ended in a divorce. When she moved away an into a job daddies connections got her at a university I nearly ended up with her fish tank. I say friends. You’re never friends with these people. The British establishment are too psychopathic for that. We haven’t spoken for years anyway and it really doesn’t bother me. If you hang about these people for long enough they will really mess your head up. Friends? No not really even if I can tell you where her tattoo is…
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As for “herd immunity” Cringely is causing a storm over nothing again. What this has to do with government regulations and finance I don’t know. Virus evolves and can and often does lose potency. People die. Vaccine programmes and popular uptake can and do vary in uptake. “Herd immunity” is and always was a nonsense seized on by politicians and media for marketing purposes. Bob Litan a “senior fellow” at the Brookings Institution should know this. What Litan said and meant and what Cringely heard and wrote may not be the same thing.
I didn’t know that Brits were such haters.
What all this has to do with herd immunity is Bob’s weak segue about economic incentives. Which, he mentions, he doesn’t believe in … Which is rather like saying you don’t believe in economics.
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That actually explains A LOT.
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It’s an attempt to take some relevant topics (covid-19, herd immunity, vaccines, ppp, etc) and form a blog post that will get attention. Instead it’s incoherent rambling.
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Swing and a miss. Why not post about Nvidia and Arm? That’s more in your wheelhouse, Bob.
How about Costco instead of Walmart? My wife does not like shopping at Walmart, and the traffic around the store is just crazy.
I’m sorry, are you implying that the traffic around Costco is NOT crazy? Because where I live (Southern California) the traffic around Walmart pales in comparison to the traffic around Costco (a parking lot zoo). I know Walmarts are more popular the further east you go, so perhaps that is at play here. Where are you located?
I was living in Santa Monica 20+ years ago when the Costco in Marina del Rey opened up. My roommate (channeling Yogi Berra) said “Are they kidding? That place will be so busy that no one will be able to get in!”
And that’s mostly true. The parking lot was always 100% full on weekends. A Tuesday afternoon would be half-full. Forbes or Fortune did an article about Costco some time this millennium, and had a sidebar about the MdR Costco because it was the #1 in sales in the whole chain (not counting Hawaii, because everything was 10x the price or whatever)
But, to Bob’s point, there are 10x or more WalMarts than there are Costcos. Here in Savannah, we have 3-4 WalMarts, but the closest Costco is 100 miles away near Charleston. The whole reason WalMart even exists is because Sam Walton figured out how to profitably serve smaller communities that similar retailers like Sears and KMart couldn’t.
Bob, respectfully, I believe it was the DISincentives that came after the first tranche. Everyone knows the publicity on this point. This is why there were funds left over. Large banks continued to make PPP loans right up to the end – my experience.
To handle the volume all large banks decided they needed to handle the application with technology. That technology needed to be programmed with PPP rules. Those rules changed constantly and right up to the night before launch. Tough to program when you don’t know what you are programming. Without a program in place and a short shelf-life for funds, banks – including community banks – chose manual workarounds. That is the process that got existing clients taken care of. This is how community banks kicked *** on the big banks.
PPP was a helicopter drop, pure and simple. If it was intended to be “needs based” there is a simple tweak that could have been made. Drastically reduce or eliminate the opportunity for forgiveness. The businesses needing the money to survive gets a loan backed by the US Government at 1%. Fair enough.
As for the existing customer bit there are two things. First, that pesky Know Your Customer (KYC) and BSA/AML regulations. This is a time suck. Every new loan (PPP included) is technically a new account subject to KYC rules. Second, and you are witnessing it now, the risk of fraud increases when you don’t know your borrower.
Thanks for writing. I do enjoy your posts.
That technology needed to be programmed with PPP rules. Those rules changed constantly and right up to the night before launch. Tough to program when you don’t know what you are programming.
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Reminds me of Healthcare.Gov
Or Anything.gov?
Good piece, as always Bob. There are (at least) two ways to look at incentives and bear in mind that my training is as an economist. One is to address market failures, that is, behaviours that are in some sense “sub-optimal” from what the economy would do if the distortion did not exist. So, for example, governments subsidize research and development in various ways (directly through grants or indirectly through tax incentives) because risk and other distortions would otherwise result in too little R&D. The other is to change behaviour. Here we are into psychology. A good driving record will keep your insurance rates down, for example. During covid, banks are staying away from making loans to small businesses because of percieved risk — even with the loan, will a given business still be able to hang on? Anyhow, I like your idea of having WalMart take over delivery and, as in one of the previous comments, Amazon too could probably do it. It might even make both of these giants more sensitive to small business!
The current indicators are that well over half the population is mostly immune to Covid19. If they had the first Sars or other coronaviruses colds they can get through Covid19 with little or no issues. So that means we only need 15% for herd immunity. If you look at New York and other areas that got hit hard, the death rates are way down now. Where I live in California things are locked down and we will hit herd immunity by October. If we keep wearing masks, that should stop a bad flu season and we should all be good by next summer.
Isn’t WalMart in competition with the local small businesses? Except for the local dentist and artisan pottery maker, I suppose.
On point Leonard. Can’t you see it: “Hey Mert, check this idea out. This guy wants to make watermelon shredders. That sounds like a perfect line for Walmart. I’ll lend him the money to keep him busy. In the meantime, call the manufacturers in China & see how soon they can gin up a knock-off.”
There would be great incentive for low-level Walmart drones to report in on promising ideas potential borrowers bring to them. After all, they had no conscious about knocking off the local businesses.
Can you say “conflict of interest”?
First of all, if the powers that be want to continue the self-serving idiocy of organizing civilization around “open societies”, the COVID-19 policy that works with _zero_ vaccinations is one that achieves a critical threshold of 80% of the population masking up in enclosed public spaces. The 20% that find it intolerable can display their noncompliance and everything else to get back to normal including movie theaters, schools, stadiums, etc. All without high-frequency test-and-trace, let alone vaccination infrastructure. Add in vaccination and you’ve got it made without any coercion or other incentive structures while everyone calms down so we can raise the signal to noise level in the data to the point that more intelligent risk management is on the table.
Secondly, and more importantly, protective sequestration is the right way to organize civilization but virulent social theories oppose it for the same reason they oppose sorting proponents of social theories into governments that test them — sortocracy. Virulent social theories need unwilling human subjects precisely because they are virulent. Sortocracy naturally results in protective sequestration for populations that want it and permits the rest to go to Hell in their own way. Virulent social theories can’t tolerate the existence of control groups because they tend to expose their virulence as the control groups don’t go to Hell. Of course, the powers that be, virulent as they are, will not permit this to occur and will therefore drag the rest of us down into the Hell of a 30 years war over quasi religious differences until 1 in 4 are dead — mainly in the urban areas.
Mr. Glass rode on ahead in January:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/david-glass-former-walmart-ceo-who-bought-royals-dies-at-84/ar-BBZ4vT9
No, no, you must be mistaken! Bob said he STILL lives next door. Bob would NEVER lie or exaggerate the truth. Please check your sources, this is a good friend (family friend (someone they name drop (other vague connection))) of Bob’s.
‘Incentives are for rich people?’
No wonder you don’t get economics.
Who”s going to be more motivated by $20 payment to get vacccinated?
Just for all those that seem to want to advocate Billy Boys poison experimental vaccines on the false based notions of Herd Immunity needing to be reached at a 70%-80% rate and the ONLY way to achieve this is through vaccination. This is psycho babble nonsense, it is not based on Science it is purely Big Pharma based Science which can only be described as (real misinformation).
Herd immunity can really only be achieved without a vaccine, the vaccine will NOT work. Herd immunity for a relatively mild disease like a Corona Virus that is significantly similar to other Corona Viruses (not really Novel) can be achieved by 80% of people already having ‘T’ cell immunity to this virus.
They do not need testing, testing, testing, along with made to fail anti body tests, these tests are all but useless, and ONLY meant to try to push the narrative that anti-bodies reduce after a few months, all this proves nothing. T cell immunity and B cell immunity is key, Immunologists know this of course and Big Pharma of course knows this, hence the reason sensible Science has been well and truly kept away from the debate and the policy making.
https://unherd.com/2020/06/karl-friston-up-to-80-not-even-susceptible-to-covid-19/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8693317/Herd-immunity-closer-thought-antibody-surveys-dramatically-underestimate-cases.html
https://bgr.com/2020/08/17/coronavirus-immunity-after-infection-asymptomatic-vs-symptomatic-cases/
It may not fit the Big Pharma Worlds narrative, we can’t go back to normal slogan until we have great vaccine and all the other propaganda that we are supposed to swallow along with the constant cases, cases, cases BS. It is however SCIENCE.
Anyone quoting the Daily Mail for science or handwaving about “big pharma” is a wingnut or some Trumpian supporting extremist fruitloop who failed highschool. As for Covid-19 being “relatively mild” tell that to people who have higher risk or develop long-term damage because of it.
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People talking junk about life and death issues is why Cringely needs to leave medical issues alone.
Trashtalk (you certainly have the right handle name).
Do you work as a paid collaborator or Social Enngineer. It as nothing to do with Trump, it is about common sense. Agreed the Daily Mail is all but a useless piece of propaganda news, like pretty much every main stream outlet and newspaper, that was the whole point of quoting it, if even they are stating the reality of Natural Herd immunity with all the Big Pharma money and the controlled narrative that organisations like this are subjected to then that is saying something. There is no longer ANY (main stream news) that tells the truth except for in their Sports sections. They are all a total waste of time. If you look at the facts, it is a mild disease and that is using the figures they use which are heavily biased and not true.
If you actually stop watching main stream media to derive your facts and news it is clear to anyone that this whole thing is a planned exercise.The Rockerfellow Foundation Exercise – Scenarios for the Future of Technology & International Development (Lockstep), Agenda 21, ID2020, Agenda 2030, The Green New Deal (Billionaire funded) hoax to strip the Worlds remaining resources and delete the middle class, very likely with a depopulation Agenda linked. Just look at Huxley (Brave New World), its all happening. Using the Left (Marxists takeover) to achieve a Technocracy, people with genuine left world views are 100% honorable, & this not about left and right, marxists want to destroy the family, community, no religion, break up Western democracies, no sovereignty. Things need to be changed, yes, real genuine environmentalism through protecting not taxing, micro capitalism should be the system (in my opinion).
The Great RESET, UN world control (Once World Government), its not conspiracy theory, its been planned for decades.
The LOCKDOWN death and misery and future death from Lockdown will far out weight the genuine death toll from the mild virus. Protect the vulnerable (comorbidity), some elderly. That is all that is required. Everything else is about Social control and another agenda. Plain and simple.
> vaccinated
Injected with stuff approved by the CDC, a Federal agency that can’t keep its story straight from week to week, and gets caught outright lying regularly.
Not going to happen, good buddy.
“Disadvantaged people aren’t generally viewed as needing incentives ”
Um, no. We have a program here that opens a savings account, funds an initial $50, and adds additional funds along the way as an incentive program to get people to save for their kids’ college expenses — something they wouldn’t likely do without the incentive.
There are plenty of other such incentive programs — getting folks to spend money on healthy food rather than cheaper junk food, for example.
Ugh, right off the bat, your privilege is showing.
@Roger Sinasohn, I think Bob Cringley was referring to the fact that the government doesn’t design instead of programs for Poor people because in the end it doesn’t care about poor people. In fact it was going to be an incentive program to get rich people to invest in bonds that would fund repairing Americas falling apart infrastructure. Notice how it was designed for rich people even though we should just actually texted money from rich people to fix the infrastructure. You see my point, don’t you? Our society no longer as a society, rather it’s really a bunch of rich people trying to hold onto their money. Any program designed to help the poor is designed to keep them quiet so they don’t riot. But obviously, that isn’t working anymore.
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The UK used to have a savings scheme to provide a lump sum for children at 18. This was sold as “levelling up” opportunities. In fact it was simply cover for introducing tuition fees and then later raising fees as this became established. When the Tories got in with their “austerity” programme they kicked even this ladder away.
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It’s not so much that government or people don’t care. It’s just the nasty right and hard right seem to have found ways into power more often than not.
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I blame a lot of this on America. America used its power and influence for its own ends in a race to the bottom. Thanks a lot for the “Chicago school” of economics. Not. The right wing and rich in the UK rode this ideological wave because it suited them. Thanks also for all the hardright Americans like the Koch brothers and others pouring money into UK rightwing think tanks and propping up the Murdochs and offloading your toxic debt onto the UK and Europe. Thanks for pissing and shitting on our IT industry to the point where we no longer have one. Thanks for sending “Cringely” over here to sponge off a school scholarship and steal taxpayers money for his flying lessons. Thanks for turning a blind eye while the same Cringely stole the property of the UKs Channel 4 to make his stupid Jobs movie. Thanks for Nerds 2.0 which was a piss take.
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As for Brexit someone needs to give the first American trade delegate through the door a jaw breaking right hook and a kick to their gut before stamping on their head.
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I am way past giving a fuck about Americas internal politics. Sort your shit out and keep it to yourself. A lot of us over here in the UK don’t want it. I’m surprised it hasn’t got a lot uglier but that’s the power a now majority billionaire owned rightwing media have to pull the wool over peoples eyes.
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There is a lot we do better over here not that inward looking Americans would know. But as I say I am way beyond giving a fuck about American politics. I’m not giving that convoluted whiney nonsense Cringely was going on about a moments thought. And that sadly is also the position of the EU with respect to post Brexit Britain. The UK is now so royally fucked up you wouldn’t believe and you know what? I don’t blame Europe for washing its hand of us.
—I blame a lot of this on America
—There is a lot we do better over here not that inward looking Americans would know.
—I am way past giving a fuck about Americas internal politics.
Yet (S)he constantly talks about it every post. Funny that.
I would twice,thrice or even more before buying into the 60-70% threshold and narrative for herd immunity.
You might want to listen to Prof Gabriela Gomes and Prof Karl Friston and Prof. Beda Stadler….
After listening to those three, “test your own belief system”…
Why leap to Wal-Mart when there’s already a precedent of banking through the Post Office, dismantled in private banks’ favor in the 60s? You could save small businesses and the USPS in one stroke, two if you count separately a repeal of the strangling Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act. And it’s not like the Waltons need to get any richer.
I’m playing it safe. It’s costing me a lot of money to stop working escort but I’m not prepared to run the risk of receiving multiple high viral loads or passing it onto anyone else. It’s also a lot of extra friction to background check clients so I can make a proper risk assessment. Needless to say if I was working my ideal client is a 70 year old multi-millionaire recluse with a yacht and private island somewhere sunny not boozy university students who like clubbing.
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In the UK I can bank with the Post Office or access a normal highstreet personal or business account with another bank via the Post Office. I nornally use the cash machine for paying in because it’s more discrete. Unlike the US we have chip and pin as is common in Europe and everything is simply safer.
Dear Nora “Trashtalk” Desmond,
Glad to hear you’re playing it safe. I wouldn’t want a senior citizen like yourself coming down with the dreaded China Flu. Your long queue of 70 year old billionaires thank you for not infecting them. In the meantime those old billionaires will have to make do schtupping lithe, air headed 20 somethings for less time, effort and cash it would take to meet your high standards.
Cheers, Claude “Joe Gillis” Balls
P.S. Your fan letters are written by your butler Max, and you’re too old to be an escort (except maybe the Ford kind)
Bob,
You may want to disable comments from your blog. The lively, informative discussion and exchange of ideas that used to take place has been slowly replaced by conspiracy theorist trolls, political screeds, and people who are (probably justifiably so) pissed about the Mineserver debacle. It was fun while it lasted…
I have to tip my hat to Bob for keeping comments on and allowing free-flowing discussion (even posts disparaging him). The rest of the internet seems to clamp down on free ranging topics and troll postings.
Good on ya, Bob.
Incentives are not “rewards”. They may be positive or negative. But most importantly, while they can be purposefully created, for the most part they just happen; they emerge from management’s ideology/emotions, from market conditions and investor expectations/pressure, from the regulatory climate (effective or broken), from a thousand things.
And the point about this is that most incentives, certainly including the emergent ones, are perverse.
And the point about THAT is that pretty nearly everyone has long since internalized the notion that ALL incentives are perverse and acting upon them. or just passively drifting along with them, leads to bad outcomes. This is the logical endpoint of making business unaccountable.
In this climate, incentives cannot be used to motivate behavior because they have no credibility.
What the Powers That Be (irrespective of who they Be: plug in your own favorite straw man and keep reading) decided, long ago, to infantilize the American people, they probably did not realize that they were setting up an inevitable and self-defeating public-health disaster that could threaten the social control that was the whole point to begin with.
The economy is never going to “recover”, because that would take resources, and knowledge, and consensus, and none of those things can be had. The resources have all been stolen, the last cohort of people who know anything are dying off, and knowledge and consensus would both depend upon re-education on a scale that has never been conceived of — and would take two human lifetimes to implement even if everything else were in place.
The only thing that has prevented the US from being recognized as a third-world country has been our ability to buy stuff, and that is running out, partly because, again, all the money has been stolen and partly because we can no longer figure out how to use anything that we might buy.
Did anyone else notice Cringely is pleading poverty in this blog? How did we go from Cringely boasting about making a million dollars off his (apparently now resurrected from his house completely burning down) laptop to scraping around for welfare payments? He’s trying to say hint he is skint and you have no chance of recovering the $30,0000 plus he scalped you for.
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Wasn’t Cringely living off his wifes money at one point? What happened to this or did he drain her dry too? The comment in his presentation about scalping friends and wives for money for the “date scheduled for production” foil drives which never arrived did stand out to me.
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A million dollars isn’t a lot in America. Pretty much every European is a multimillionaire by American standards just for turning up. Yes tax is higher but when you add up the benefits how big would the annuity need to be to pay for this if you were an American? Suddenly those big dollar salaries don’t look so big after all. Europe doesn’t just do better social programmes like pensions better but roads and rail and housing and a lot of other things. America was so busy bragging and swaggering it closed its eyes to better else where and stopped improving. As for the post9/11 tantrum that turned out well… I know all Americans aren’t shitbags but seriously you lot. Get a grip.
… and remember the boast of buying every single copy of a certain fighter jet on Earth?
Bob you continue to make same mistake when you talk (write) about money. You can’t do anything in banking business (most other business too) unless you have a license. For you is just hang a sign on door hedge fund (like when you were writing about Apple to become hedge fund) or bank and that is it.
Anything about money is highly regulated business. In order to become hedge fund you need license from Securities and Exchange Commission which Apple has no chance to get ever an to do banking business you need license from Federal Reserve Board.
For your information a few years ago Walmart applied license to become bank but was refused after outrage from other real banks and credit unions but was allowed ONLY to process checks and only that saved them a millions.
Bob when will you add editing to this blog ?
Cringelys stock image thumbnail is telling. Did he really pay $60 for the video it comes from or just steal it? I remember Cringely digging his heels in and charging for the Jobs movie. Did he ever get permission from the UKs Channel Four for use of the footage or did he just steal that too? Cringly also drops a heavy hint in this blog he is too poor to bother suing. I don’t think the 388 people owed $35,452 are never going to see that back. At least when I get screwed I get paid for it.
The ppp required your business to be running last year and paying salary. Lots of contractors move back and forth between working for themselves and others. So that stopped me right there without getting further into it.
I remember as a kid during the summer in the early 1960’s there was a nationwide program to give every kid the new Sabin Oral Polio Vaccine. I remember seeing may advertisements and reminders. There were dispensing stations set up all over town. There was even a sky-writer who spelled out SOV (Sabin oral vaccine) in the sky.
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When we returned to school we were all asked individually if we had gotten the sugar cube vaccine. I had not. Our pediatrician gave us the vaccine by eye dropper. The nurse doing the survey knew which doctors in town used the eye dropper form. When I told her the name of our doctor, I got credit for getting the vaccine.
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The families of every kid who did not get the vaccine got a phone call. They had two choices: take their kids somewhere to get the vaccine or let the school administer it. If they chose neither there kids could not go to school. It was that simple and direct.
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How important will the COVID vaccine be to society?
Thanks. This was the first I heard of the “sugar cube” vaccine, so I looked it up, finding this story:
https://www.understandinganimalresearch.org.uk/news/video-of-the-week/sixty-years-of-the-polio-miracle-vaccine/ . I found this mention of the differences between the two vaccines interesting “The Salk vaccine has to be injected while the Sabin (oral) vaccine was taken as a drop on a sugar-cube. Because oral polio vaccine is inexpensive, easy to administer, and produces excellent immunity in the intestine, which helps prevent infection with wild virus in areas where it is endemic, it has been the vaccine of choice for controlling poliomyelitis in many countries. So oral polio vaccine (OPV) was the main vaccine used from 1960 to 2000 to vanquish polio from much of the world. On very rare occasions however, about one case per 750,000 vaccine recipients, the attenuated virus in OPV reverts into a form that can paralyze. Consequently, as the incidence of wild polio diminishes, most industrialized countries have switched to injected polio vaccines, which cannot revert.”
This is also very interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine :
“An enhanced-potency IPV was licensed in the United States in November 1987, and is currently the vaccine of choice there. The first dose of polio vaccine is given shortly after birth, usually between 1 and 2 months of age, and a second dose is given at 4 months of age. The timing of the third dose depends on the vaccine formulation, but should be given between 6 and 18 months of age. A booster vaccination is given at 4 to 6 years of age, for a total of four doses at or before school entry. In some countries, a fifth vaccination is given during adolescence.”
To your point, this picture is especially scary: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01423-4 :
“Bill Gates, you’ll have to kill me before you vaccinate me.”
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Ignoring the fact that Mr. Glass has passed on, his house is indeed among a neighborhood of middle class homes.
Of course, when I think of a house next door in Bentonville, I think of something different than the sprawling mansion that Mr. Glass lived in.
https://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/david-glass-house-1/view/google/
HELL is other people!
@Gnarfle
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Why else do you think I’m particular about what service I provide and what clients I entertain? Speaking of which I noticed two movies about escort doing the rounds. I can assure anyone watching them they are nothing like escort in the real world.
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Something I noticed about the complaints emerging this past week or so about Trump is he’s vulgar and cheap. If he had learned manners and paid escorts as well as all their expenses instead of trying to freeload at parties or freeload on aircraft flights or accept hospitality off Russian hotels he would be in a lot less bother than he is now. I also think the immigrant of legally challengeable status he is married to gives him an inflated sense of self-worth. The Slovakian tart is an embarassment to professional escorts no matter how much she is taking him for. But then tat attracts tat.
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There are plenty who can do their current official jobs for the same money and do it better and look nicer and not leave everyone else feeling like they’ve bought a turd in a box. Its not much better in the UK either with Johnson and the hooker, sorry, gold digger he bought with other peoples money.
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The sooner the economy gets going and people are paid a fair and decent wage and healthcare and testing is sorted out the quicker I can get back to business. Until then men are getting less sex than if they were stuck in a WWII trench. So if you want great sex and great sex often vote somebody else in. It really is that simple.
The whole idea, remember, was to boost the economy by stuffing it with cash.
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Huh … I thought the idea was to prevent an epidemic of bankruptcies because the government forced economic activity to nearly halt.
@Howard
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Please do apply some intelligence. There are plenty of people who are careful and reasonable so no need to slide into anti-vaxxer hysterics and share index pumping.
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Now this so-called “herd immunity” is actually a load of nonsense as is bandying around percentages without qualifcation. The topic itself deserves a rounded view with clear facts and caveats where approriate not lurching about like a drunken sailor.
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Get a grip sweetie and leave real work to the professionals. You’ll both be happier and live longer!
@trashtalk
“The Slovakian tart is an embarassment to professional escorts no matter how much she is taking him for. But then tat attracts tat.”
Hahaha, well put! But you got the country wrong. I assume you are from England, not smaller parts of UK? In my experience, most people I talked to in Scotland or Wales knew the difference. Even less intelectual ones I met in pubs. People from smaller countries are more sensitive to other small countries.
BTW: our country is so small I have a friend who is her (not so distant) relative.
Her name was Melanija Knavs, before she anglicized both first & second name.
Slovenia, Slovakia, and the constant confusion between the two:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43419675
Phwoar. I remember Melanija Knavs. I’m gonna Balkanize my own name in tribute to “Ivanka Lott”. But that’s because I’m so cultured.
@fortexg
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Brain fart. Don’t read too much into it.
Whilst I completely agree with your point about the ineffectiveness of incentives, the examples you cite tell me the big banks are expecting a tidal wave of business insolvency the likes of which we haven’t seen since the early 1930s. Given their model of borrowing short and lending long, and the absurdly cheap money central banks will offer (are we at negative interest rates yet?), a 4% approval ratio is not good in the wider scheme.
To make matters even worse, lentils have the most unpleasant side-effects for me.
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