My last column was about crisis management lessons I learned back in 1979 while investigating the Federal Emergency Management Agency for the President’s Commission on the Accident at Three Mile Island (TMI). Let’s just say that FEMA wasn’t ready for a nuclear meltdown. Today we turn to the other federal agency I investigated at that same time — the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC). While FEMA was simply unprepared and incompetent, the NRC was unprepared and lied about it.
Like FEMA, the NRC had recently undergone a rebranding from its previous identity as the Atomic Energy Commission — a schizoid agency that had been charged with both regulating nuclear power and promoting it. It’s difficult to be the major booster of technology while at the same time making safety rules for it. Think of the Trump Administration’s approach to coal as an example of such a paradox.
When the NRC was created to regulate nuclear power, that PR function was sent over to the U.S. Department of Energy. So all the NRC had to do at Three Mile Island was to make sure the utility was following the rules and to help them keep the public safe. Not much of either actually happened during the accident, mainly because nobody really had any idea of the actual state of the reactor. This suggests that maybe a bit more regulation should have been done during the reactor design phase.
Since almost nobody but me remembers any of this let’s get out of the way the two most important lessons of Three Mile Island. The first lesson explains why the accident was so bad while the second explains why nobody died.
The primary technical failing of TMI came down to a poor operator training combined with a major user interface glitch. All of the TMI operators were originally trained by the U.S. Navy, where they operated nuclear reactors on submarines and aircraft carriers. This was a deliberate policy on the part of General Public Utilities (GPU), the electric company that owned the plant. And it wasn’t a bad policy. The Navy vets were proven operators who didn’t panic and had been well trained on their ships. Alas, they weren’t especially well trained on the actual reactor they operated at TMI. In fact, they weren’t really trained to operate the reactor at all: they were trained to pass the reactor operator test.
This distinction between being trained to operate the reactor versus being trained to pass the test is crucial. GPU assumed the Navy veterans already knew plenty about reactors, so they concentrated solely in their training on the actual operation of reactor systems. This may sound okay, but what was missing was any deep understanding of what was actually happening inside the reactor that might have been helpful for troubleshooting.
By streamlining their training, the reactor operators may have known which valve to open or close, but not necessarily why they were opening or closing it.
Look at the picture above of the control room at Three Mile Island Unit 2. There is a lot going on in this picture from 1979. There are hundreds of switches and valves matched by hundreds of meters and gauges. Video screens on the back wall mainly verified the state (open/closed, on/off) of these valves and switches. In this entire control room there was ONE warning light and ONE horn or buzzer. When something went wrong this one light would start to blink red and the buzzer would sound an alarm.
In theory, when the buzzer sounded an operator could scan all the gauges and figure out what was happening inside the reactor. In real terms, however, this was close to impossible to do. There were just too many variables and — remember — the operators weren’t trained to understand the innards of the reactor, just how to run it.
What actually ran the reactor was a minicomputer. So when the warning light started to blink (by this time they’d turned-off the buzzer) the operators could go to that IBM Selectric printer in the foreground of the picture above where the minicomputer would print out a trouble code and description of what had gone wrong. This printer-based user interface was a key failing at TMI because within two minutes of the first alarm sounding, that printer queue was already six hours behind in printing trouble codes.
While designing this printer-centric system they’d apparently never considered what would happen if there were 100 or 1000 trouble codes hitting at the same time. Worse still, every time the system updated (which as I recall was every minute), it sent to the printer another 100 or 1000 codes.
Certainly, there was an engineer somewhere who understood that printing subsystem and could have found a way into the queue, but nobody in Harrisburg knew who that engineer was. That engineer didn’t work for GPU. So the utility was never able to get past this UI problem which made the reactor operators essentially blind. They had to guess what was happening inside the reactor, and their guesses had to be correct, they thought, or people might die.
No pressure here.
The reactor operators were clueless. The GPU executives called-in to help were clueless. And the NRC “experts” were clueless, too. In fact, nobody at the NRC had been through operator training for this particular class of reactor.
I will shortly look in some detail at the NRC’s response, but first let’s cover that other lesson of TMI — why nobody died. That nobody died at Three Mile Island was a total fluke. There was at least one over-pressure event that should have blown the containment dome over the reactor, releasing radiation into Middletown, Pennsylvania. The only reason the containment wasn’t breached was TMI had been built extra-strong because it was right next to the Harrisburg International Airport.
In this picture notice the airport in the background. The final approach goes right past Three Mile Island.
There were a dozen Babcock & Wilcox reactors in the U.S. identical to the two units at Three Mile Island, but only those two TMI reactors were built next to what had been a US Air Force B-52 base. So only those two reactors got an extra foot of concrete added to their containment domes, taking them from three feet thick to four feet thick, just in case a B-52 happened to crash into one.
Had the TMI accident happened at the otherwise-identical Rancho Seco reactor near Sacramento, California, people probably would have died.
So TMI-2 melted-down, but it was overbuilt and nobody was actually in danger. However, back in 1979 nobody knew this.
Let’s take a moment here to contrast TMI and Chernobyl, the difference being that there was no containment at Chernobyl. The accidents were comparable, but with no containment, Chernobyl directly killed 31 people with an estimated 4000 additional deaths over the years since from radiation-caused cancer.
Reactor containments are good.
Not knowing what was actually happening inside the reactor, the men controlling Unit 2 made some bad decisions that made things worse. And after the first few hours, those decisions were all made with the agreement of the NRC, which also didn’t have a clue what was happening. For the most part, whatever was done was based on guesses and more of those guesses were wrong than were right. But since the containment was extra-thick, it probably didn’t matter.
Now to the part about lying. It is common for people in positions of authority to prefer that they are seen as acting correctly. Certainly, that was the case with the NRC, which never in the months I investigated them said anything like the truth — that they had no idea what the fuck was happening inside that reactor. They wanted to be seen as professional and calm, not clueless and panicked. So their official accounts projected this professionalism and tended to point fingers mainly at the utility — GPU. The NRC story was that they saved the day.
With the benefit of 41 years of hindsight, it’s pretty clear that nobody saved the day at TMI. Nor was the day especially at risk, though that, too, wasn’t known at the time.
My job in 1979 was to understand what happened and how it was presented to the outside world and when I did interviews at the NRC it just plain felt wrong. If the agency had done everything right, why did the accident seem so perilous?
That’s when I phoned-into the NRC Emergency Operations Center and learned something the agency had failed to disclose.
In one of the documents I retrieved from the NRC I found a telephone number for the NRC Emergency Operations Center. Purely on a hunch, I called it. This was in July 1979 and the accident began in March of that year. Like all government phones 41 years ago, this one was answered by a person. The EOC was still in operation, still supporting the accident recovery. As I spoke on the phone I heard a beeping sound.
“What’s that beep?” I asked.
“That’s the recorder — this call is being recorded,” the person on the phone explained.
“Are all incoming lines recorded?” I asked.
“Yup, all 40 of them,” was the answer.
We were already a month into investigating the NRC and nobody at the agency had mentioned that all incoming lines to the Emergency Operations Center were recorded (this was very unusual at the time). Rather than listen to the NRC explain what had happened back in March, I could presumably listen to the recordings myself.
The NRC said, “no.”
Remember those FEMA guys tapping their West Point rings on the conference table? Ring tapping was common at the NRC as well, where the agency had a huge investment in looking infallible. Giving me access to those recordings could have blown their cover, so they rejected my request.
The NRC, which was part of the Executive Branch, rejected a request effectively from the President of the United States.
At this point, some writers might mention the Deep State. But that implies a conspiracy. What I think was going on here was more like hubris.
We subpoenaed the tapes. The NRC said they couldn’t give us the tapes (no reason was given, by the way — they just “couldn’t” do it). Nor could they copy the tapes for us. So we went to court and eventually the NRC offered to transcribe the tapes for us — a process they estimated would take six weeks. They wanted to wait until all the transcriptions were finished before providing any, so we went back to court for quicker access.
Does any of this make sense to you? If your state governor calls up the highway department and asks for some files, do you think they ever say “no?”
As the transcripts began to trickle out it was clear that something was wrong. Some of the transcriptions simply didn’t make sense. And key sections were missing entirely, with the transcription saying only that they were unintelligible. So it was back to court to get the original tapes, which the NRC still refused to give up. Instead, they set up a listening room at NRC headquarters where only one investigator at a time could go for a few hours per day to listen to the original tapes. We had to know which tapes to ask for based on the bad transcriptions that still weren’t all complete.
The NRC, so intent on maintaining security, had hired an outside transcription service. That service had no special knowledge of nuclear reactor operations, so when technical terms were used they often got them wrong or just said they were unintelligible. Things were unintelligible, too, when more than two people were on the line or when people were urgently speaking over one another. In other words, the most urgent moments were those moments least likely to be correctly transcribed.
Sitting in that NRC listening room, listening to the tapes after a month of fighting to get them, they were actually quite clear. By this time I was an expert, I knew the terms and I knew what the speakers were discussing and the context. When they said things like “Shit, I think it’s going to blow!” that wasn’t unintelligible to me.
The lesson of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission at Three Mile Island was that they were incompetent and unhelpful. Part of this was a difficult relationship with GPU, part was that crazy printer-based user interface to the reactor computer, but a lot of it came down to the NRC having a huge investment in looking infallible. And that’s the lesson for COVID-19.
I happen to think it is worse for a government in crisis to fake it than to admit they aren’t sure of the correct problem, much less the correct answer. To say that COVID-19 is “no worse than the flu” or that “it will disappear in a few weeks” when you don’t really know what you are talking about is dangerous. It costs lives.
No executive ego is worth loss of life.
Discuss quietly among yourselves.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/04/21/minecraft_server_cisco_switch/
I wonder if Bob will update his Kickstarter page…
It’s almost as if there was a cost for lies, or something.
You should read Don Quixote.
Are you implying that Cringely is a windmill?
Or that he’s “tilting?”
Brilliant summary, ass covering is always more important than the truth, and they have gotten better at it since then. In my country Australia they have refined it to an art, the catch all term is, that is an operational matter or ongoing operation which if divulged could compromise a current operation. In that way our Border Force (new name for customs) has managed to block any and all inquiries into dubious and illegal operations against people attempting to come to Australia
So tell me what a life is worth Bob?
I have many friends that are losing their businesses, are unable to take care of their families, and cannot get medical care. Yes – believe it or not in my state alone, over 40,000 healthcare workers have been laid off.
Our hospitals are nearly empty – we aren’t allowing them to operate. Mental health issues are increasing dramatically and care is hard to find.
Yet you offer no solutions to any of this Bob. You just tell others they don’t know what they are talking about.
Life isn’t black and white. We need grey – not fully open, but more open so we don’t walk into the next Great Depression. More open so people can get needed healthcare. Heart disease and cancer did not take a pause for COVID-19. Nor did mental health.
What has amazed me about many in California is I thought you were all about helping others – healthcare for all, mental health recognition, even homeless all over the cities. Turns out it is about control and throwing the rights of Americans out the window.
Everything costs lives. It is about balance for all.
It is not Bob’s job to offer solutions. He is demonstrating that old saying “We learn from history that we do not learn from history.”
Anyone modelling something like this will define a lot of parameters. (It is not clear there is any modelling going on in the US administration but maybe someone is doing it….)
One of the parameters in that model will be the acceptable number of deaths. ofc politicians don’t like to talk about this, because most people would say there should be no deaths, whereas politicians have to decide how to handle it and will have to live with the electoral consequences.
Another parameter will be the acceptable economic damage. Politicians like to talk about this.
These two parameters have an inverse relationship. If you are prepared to accept a lot of deaths, you can minimise the economic damage. If you are prepared to accept economic damage, then deaths can be minimised.
The question for politicians is how to manage these two parameters without getting kicked out. Do you trust your chosen politician to get this right? Think about this next time you vote!
You can’t “save the economy” without condemning huge numbers of people.
Nor can it be a simple trade-off – if there are a large number deaths, there will still be enormous economic and other societal damage – people will act out of panic – look at some of the serious weirdness that took place in the medieval plagues. Even people without empathy might understand that.
Ignoring the human cost, what are the ongoing economic effects of a high level of attrition of nurses and doctors? They take ages to train and I think wealthy countries won’t be able to “brain drain” them out of poorer countries as they have been doing.
This is a key lesson learned from the Spanish Flu. Cities that delayed or refused to implement lockdowns actually suffered more economically. Mas deaths and mass sickness, combined with the huge swathes of people unable to work because they are caring for sick relatives has a massive economic cost. Plus as the carnage unfolds people isolate themselves and shut down economic activity anyway. There is no option to “choose the economy”, it’s an illusion.
So called “Spanish flu” was actually traced back to originating in Kansas. The reason why this was called Spanish flu was Spain was the only major country not involved in the war and also had an open and none censored press. It was only reported in Spain and everyone else was happy to give Spain the blame. And that’s how Made in America “Kansas flu” got to becalled “Spanish flu”.
I’m surprised they over built TMI during construction. Construction of nuclear power plants is rife with fraud and miss management.
When construction on the Comanche Peak in Glen Rose Texas began in 1974, TU Electric estimated that it would take five years to build and cost $779 million. It took 15 years and $9.1 billion. They stole so much money during construction I’m surprised it hasn’t collapsed yet.
Somewhere over the rainbow
interesting… the author doesn’t understand the real failure. Physics is a hell of a drug!!!
What failure would that be that I don’t understand? This is a column about crisis management, not nuclear engineering. Back in the day, I wrote an entire book about the TMI accident — 96,000 words. I assure you the plumbing was covered thoroughly.
“What failure would that be that I don’t understand?”
Um, Mineserver?
Duh.
Roger,
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Please go away.
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You have made it abundantly clear that you have NOTHING to contribute.
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Just go away.
ROGER for PRESIDENT 2024
Actually Roger does have a relevant point. Bob owes it to himself to remain credible to his audience. His first post on this column clearly made it look like a risk-free done deal, assuring his participants delivery within a few months. The Kickstarter site still says “Of course with generally pre-teen production labor there may be glitches. Halloween is coming, there’s volleyball, cross-country and the science fair, but our production process is honed and simple, testing is automated, and long-suffering parents can always help out if needed. This is not rocket science… That’s next year.” So he still needs to update that site with what happened. Then there would be less concern here about his credibility in general.
Stephen Hawking said humans will need to colonize another planet within 100 years or face extinction (that was last year so 99 years now).
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/15/stephen-hawking-predictions-human-extinction-to-global-warming.html
Enjoy the ride while it lasts.
I’m reading this whole TMI series as reputation management. There’s a lot of observation and comment almost all ofwhich is either aimed at obvious targets people will nod along and stroke beards over, or it’s a riff on a report written by people who actually did know what they were talking about. Let’s go back to President Carter…
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Carter was trained in nuclear systems in preparation for a commission on a nuclear ship. He was also known to have said Three Mile Island wasn’t a big incident behind closed doors. However what he said in public to pacify his own political party and general voting population was that it was a big incident. Fast forward to today and we have Captain Crozier who was also certified in nuclear vessel operations and who was known to have worked hard to understand the concepts. Not just the what but why. We also have on the streets rent-a-mob protesting lockdown because they’ve been fired up to believe coronavirus is fake or lockdown is imposing on their “freedoms”.
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The way I see it is Cringely has a hero narrative going on here when he was just an information officer. His comments are based on work already done before it touched his desk and the skills of other people. Like, he’s the weekend warrior commenting on a chess game on the television or football game.
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As the British civil service is older than the history of America and Australia combined I think I’ll just say you guys have some catching up to do. I wasn’t born yesterday either. If this article is a lesson in crisis management as alleged then where are the solutions? Where is the relevance to today? How does Cringelys grand theory work in practice? Or is it all just hog wash and projection?
Seth Abramson, lawyer, professor, Newsweek columnist, and author of two new York Times bestsellers is commenting on the issues of the current pandemic on twitter in real time. He’s obviously called out political and media failures as well as offering solutions and updating from lessons learned as hegoes along. Cringely just took a swipe at President Carter and rewarmed a book from decades back based on other peoples work to rehash his own reputation and give us nothing useful. Contrast and compare.
I love that you are back posting here.
Your perspective on things and situations is thought provoking (as some of the sour comments also indicates) and refreshing.
Please keep going, I think we all want more!
This story of what operators faced in the TMI incident reminds me of what airline pilots face when their planes develop unexpected problems. Hardware is potentially getting better in both cases, but also we need the relevant regulatory agency to understand & control the comprehensibility and operator workload of each new model.
There is something so misrepresented here by the author, I feel compelled to correct it. The TMI accident was indeed primarily caused by operator error rooted in misconceptions by the operators. They were Navy-trained, yes. However, very little of it had to do with the computer interface and the printer. Yes, the computer printer prints out the alarms and, as with any event, it was backed up with its read-out, at some points by hours. Every station had those printers, most still do. It’s a way of recording the event and determining a what-came-first event history. And although the operators sometimes refer to it following an event, they do not use it to control then plant. This was true then, at TMI, and it is true now. That “sequence-of-event recorder” is a way to dissect the what happened at the start and/or at various points of the event. The plant is controlled real-time using the many indications you see on the control boards. There are hundreds of alarms, each with it’s own “annunciator” or light, that feed the single audible buzzer. Yes, the buzzer must be silenced following an event. The indications and alarms are what the operators drive by and the notion that they were “blind because of the printer delay” is ridiculous, and any operator then or today would laugh at that claim.
Those operators were well-trained Navy veterans, as I was. They licensed on the commercial plant, as I did many years ago. They retained a fundamental misconception about dealing with a Loss of Coolant Accident (LOCA is the acronym) in part due to differences in plant design between the smaller Naval PWRs and the commercial plant they were operating. As a result, many changes were incorporated into the commercial plant training programs and design features on the US PWRs were upgraded in many ways. TMI was a watershed event with many additional contributing causes, one very minor one (of hundreds) being the printer-delay-effect the author misrepresents or misunderstands here.
I’m very grateful to Matt Lewis on 12th April for explaining that nuclear reactors are controlled and observed in real time using dials and levers, not computer printouts of alarms on long slow buffers. I think Bob had slightly misled me on this twice. I should have used my eyes and brain myself.
I am a scientist normally working in the UK and USA and ass-covering was not important until I went to work in Australia when fessing up to a mistake so small that it was literally invisible in an unpublished heat map image sent my boss into a rage. Remember in Australia, you can be fired for smirking at your boss (Finlay Engineering, tested in court). Also in Australia, IBM was so good at ass-covering, they managed to milk Queensland Health for nearly a billion dollars for just an employee salary payment system (yes a billion) as each failure was corrected for a greater fee!
Then I went to The Philippines and I was trying to understand how such nice people could have such broken infrastructure and then I remembered that the USA had been the colonial master and trained everyone in ass-covering and cronyism then they had taught themselves in corruption and even earlier, the Spanish had trained everyone in believing impossible things directly without an electric monk.
The Philippines people actually did build a nuclear reactor but they never ever turned it on – they knew enough not to trust it !
Why has no one mentioned Sweden ? The Swedish people decided that it was a much milder virus and disease than SARS and MERS (true) and for healthy people almost no danger at all (over 1000 sailors deprived of fresh air on the nuclear powered French aircraft carrier caught Covid-19 but none died). To eradicate this disease, everyone needs just a tent, fresh air, sunshine and two weeks supply of clean water
http://jeremyparsons.com/personal/fun/covid-19_mitigation.html
Listening rooms? Sounds a lot like the House impeachment proceedings
so bufferbloat was a partial cause of tmi…. never knew that.
The black and white photo of the reactor control room is like Cringely alluding to his being the centre of pencil sharpening investigative action in the Washington Post newsroom during the Nixon crisis. Maybe this explains his obsession with printers?
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Printers crunching out actionable statements were a staple of many movies. They were popularised by the Tom Clancy movies such as The Hunt for Red October and in a previous decade used with great effect in All The Presidents Men and The Andromeda Strain. From what I heard Hitchcock was the first to use this technique in movies years before any of these.
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Personally, I’m a big fan of practicals not CGI (which is a bit odd as what motivated my coding was graphics certainly not business systems). I also like manual controls not flatscreen everything as popualrised by Tesla. Yes, I do tend to like more thoughtfullness in interfaces and skueomorphism has its place. I hate flat designs by who knows who throwing out history and human computer interface manuals. It’s a good thing Toyota is shifting design focus back to more manual controls where appropriate than screens. A small note to Rolls Royce? The old style AC temperature controls and clock and classic console dials are much better than the new ones. Honestly, what were you thinking?
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PEBCAC is a thing too as anyone who has fielded support calls knows too.
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I just have this sneaking suspicion Cringelys article is a fantasy written by someone who never actually had to do the job. He’s familar with all these things as a hack looking in but has never been on the sharp end. There’s too many ways his story unwinds as you begin to pick away at it.
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It’s a personal belief that the best experts are people who listen to and design for people who will use their systems. This is a lot harder than it sounds and needs understanding and empathy.
That’s PEBKAC rather than PEBCAC.
PEBCAC may be more accurate, with the two Cs standing for chair and computer. More often than not, there is nothing between the keyboard and the computer, other than connecting circuitry, but there is usually a chair and a computer with a person in between.
Ron is correct. In my draft I went with PEBCAK. After double checking I went for the more accurate PEBCAC. This is equivalent and acceptable. It’s the same with many words in the dictorionary. Variations exist. I also sometimes swap in or swap out English or American English variations due to style or preference, or occasionally use antiquated or obscure colloquial variations of a spelling or alternatives just for fun.
Ugh. Look at all those typos. It’s a rule of the internet…
The way I used to describe that to my clients was (if they had a sense of humor) a bit more smart-ass. I would tell them “I’ve diagnosed the problem and discovered it was caused by a loose nut in the system.” “Where?” “Behind the keyboard!”
I prefer PICNIC.
Problem In Chair Not In Computer.
Though one could easily transpose Chair and Computer.
PICNIC…Reqest permisson to steal & re-use acronym, SIR!
Human Factors Engineering to make system easy to operate is a key engineering discipline and it applies to sound system engineering discipline that designs systems to be simple to operate and understand in a crisis. This goes for biology as well. All the tools used in any technical area MUST be simple to operate and understand. NO human is equipped to deal with complexity in a fast paced crisis situation. In the case of medical systems, you need simplicity built in to using all equipment and models. This requires the designer of any process, model, or system to be a master system engineer and thinker. It includes designing the entire system to include training for it so that it minimizes failure and risk. This is hard and is not amenable to a cost cutting approach but it saves order of magnitudes of money in the long run. We need more graduate level master system engineers to design everything so the need for crisis management is engineered out. For example, the world should have abandoned the use of large nuclear reactors and gone for an SMR design of modular and super safe reactors that can not be used to generate weapons material and that can be made produced at super high quality, with a simple and secure modular design, and with a well designed human interfaces and self correcting mechanisms. We now have to eat tons of carbon into the atmosphere, global warming and deaths due to polluted air because the government and industry could not dump their assumption that bigger is better because bigger and more complex rarely mean better.
This is true to a point but you have to weigh expertise acquired through work as much as more formal academic routes. You alos have to consider the old centralised distribution systems were very good at what they were designed to do and newer technologies and distributed smaller systems came along later. There’s also competing narratives such as the political versus technical versus religious (which I will use to lump spiritual, popular, and anecdotal hysterics into). Different countries have different governance systems and cultures and histories not to mention starting points all of which can be advantageous or disadvantagoeus. The UK was first with a lot of things and arguably invented 90% of everything in some form which we use today and it has bitten us with a vengeance with things like a rail system which was built for the last century while other countries began from a clean slate like France and Japan and later still China. Mind you, I’m one of those people who would happily have a journey last three times as long if it were the Orient Express. Zipping from place to place is nice if you’re in a hurry but not all it’s cracked up to be. But yes, in summary, I do agree a more complete “systems” view does help both from an overarching point of view but also so everyone can better accomodate other positions.
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There’s currently a tug of war going on in politics between the neo-liberals and others about exactly how economies should be refactored in light of the pandemic and environmental and general political issues. There are also ongoing debates about security not in the sense of military but social and economic security which includes healthcare and welfare systems and social policy. Supra-national bodies, nation states,regions all have their role in a globalised but also local context. How to balance food and supply chain security without protectionism and harming international relations and opportunities? Perhaps this is another area where a more “systems” thinking approach can help.
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It helps to have a pluraritiy of vision which I find Cringelys determindly US-centric point of view to run counter to. Real journalists writing for places like the New York Times and Atlantic and others have a much wider worldview they package and direct at their readers so their readers can be equally informed so it’s not exactly out of this earth to question Cringelys mono-vision.
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As for lessons learned the UK government commissioned a pandemic exercise which they promptly ignored. Singapore took the issue seriously when they realised the big one might come along and copied the whole study hook like and sinker and implemented its recommendations while the UK twiddled its thumbs. Until the UK government pulls its finger out and implements testing, tracing, and compartmentalised isolation so coronavirus is contained this is basically my escort work down the drain. In other media reports as per bloody normal it’s businessmen creating online portals monitising cam girls who are having a business boost.Thanks a lot for nothing!
@trashtalk: Never did understand the whole webcam-girls obsession thing…..I mean, c’mon gents, all you’re doing is staring at pixels on a screen while sitting (ahem) by yourself. I’m a fan of escorts and other providers of that type of “service” as time, desire, convenience and (mainly) budget permits, especially now that I’m single again and the kids are grown. There’s nothing like the real thing, most certainly not sitting home alone in front of a screen.
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But after reading your above high-level analysis comment above, I have to ask: Are you REALLY an escort? If so, I’ve NEVER met one who writes or presumably talks at your (which perhaps says more about me than you). While I differ with you greatly on political leanings, the level of articulation and intellectual-ness (if that’s a word) in your writing is so far above any professional lady I’ve ever visited that you’ll have to forgive me for being a bit skeptical that you’re telling the truth. If you are, shame on me
Here’s an interesting definition of a term that may or may not be helpful : “Transgender Woman (Trans Woman) A person whose sex assigned at birth was male but whose gender identity is female” https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/gender-identity/transgender/transgender-identity-terms-and-labels . If that info is inappropriate, shame on me.
Hmmm, @Ronc not sure where THAT came from – I’m of course familiar with that definition but wasn’t speaking to that at all – I was simply skeptical that @trashtalk really truly is a professional escort based on her intellectual level of writing that’s obviously coming from someone with an advanced level of education (I’m guessing post-graduate) vs. my own anecdotal experience with providers of that type of service.
As to what her biological gender is vs. whatever gender she currently chooses to identify with…..I ain’t got no problem with any of that. That’s the beauty of our western tradition (as Professor Eugen Weber called it) of individual liberty ….each of us gets to decide our own way to live with (hopefully) no government interference.
If you gonna be a libertarian-type like me, in favor of generally less power to the gov’t and more power to the people, you gotta be true to those principles across the board, or you’re full of shit. My lefty-liberal friends call me right-wing because I’m against things like gov’t-provided healthcare/welfare and affirmative action, and my righty-conservative friends think I’m left-wing because I’m opposed to things like the death penalty and I’m fine with gay marriage.
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That old-fashioned notion of letting “the people” decide how to structure and run our own society is out of vogue now, but I still subscribe to it. That’s why I think this whole “clamp-down” response to the Coronavirus we’ve been witnessing has been a far over-reaching abuse of government authority. But that’s another topic!
@ People Who Live in Glass Houses Shouldn’t Throw StonesApril 21, 2020 at 9:43 am Re: “As to what her biological gender is vs. whatever gender she currently chooses to identify with…..I ain’t got no problem with any of that. That’s the beauty of our western tradition (as Professor Eugen Weber called it) of individual liberty ….each of us gets to decide our own way to live with (hopefully) no government interference. If you gonna be a libertarian-type like me, in favor of generally less power to the gov’t and more power to the people, you gotta be true to those principles across the board, or you’re full of shit. My lefty-liberal friends call me right-wing because I’m against things like gov’t-provided healthcare/welfare and affirmative action, and my righty-conservative friends think I’m left-wing because I’m opposed to things like the death penalty and I’m fine with gay marriage.” I agree. Perhaps we should call ourselves fiscal conservatives, although there is some disagreement about the details. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_conservatism (Factions or subgroups).
I’m giving my brain a stretch. I have a few clients who are happy to entertain long discussions about many things. The best clients don’t have any ego about it. There was a possibility of a discussion with Jeremy after he expressed interest in a chat. That never happened as he wasn’t paying attention and didn’t follow up. Yes I can supply weblinks I can’t fake to prove I’m an escort but not over the open net.
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I’m an autodidact for want of a better word. Autodidactic polymath is stretching it. Eclectic autodidact would probably be closer. Plus I talk a lot.
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I’m not your average escort but then by comparison there’s plenty of women on social media and involved with politics who have PhDs and can hold their own. (That’s real PhDs not Cringely’s.) It’s similar with some pop stars and actors.
P.S. Shut up Ron, you obsessing Nazi bigot. Piss in your own pond.
N.B. Comment filtering is being funny again.
Quote:There was a possibility of a discussion with Jeremy after he expressed interest in a chat. That never happened as he wasn’t paying attention and didn’t follow up.
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There wasn’t anywhere for me to follow up to! I didn’t have any way to get in touch with you.
Oh right… Fair enough. I was waiting to resolve issues before emailing you with an agreed position and Skype details. I tend to be a bit on the careful side and filtering gets to be second nature with this job. I’ll send you something when I get my head around things.
Just popped back into this forum for a sec, but I first decided to fact-check myself and….at least as far as this 2015 survey that I found from the U.K. (which is where I think @trashtalk is from), performed by Leeds University, of sex-workers (which presumably includes more than just escorts) indicates that 38% had an undergraduate degree and 17% had a post-graduate degree.
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So….hush my mouth and call me wrong (or at least unknowledgeable)! Obviously my anecdotal experiences regarding educational level were not indicative of the statistical reality. No slights intended…..am still a big fan of the service. Too bad the U.S. is still so bass-ackwards in its laws about it, but that really doesn’t make much of a difference in the real world!
Yes “sex workers” covers a broad range. There’s different status and different types of sex work i.e. courtesan to escort to street hooker, and sex from a posh dinner to the porn star experience, movies and pictures and cam work, and independent to agency workers.Sex workers can have wildly different life histories and situations and also wildly different markets to deal with. Clients can be equally diverse and different in their needs and financial circumstances. It’s a real headache I can tell you.
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Thanks for bothering to look up a study. I’ve read this kind of material before including a fair few on what looks physically attractive and relationships and needs. I also have some fairly difficult to obtain classic books on the subjects.There’s some good youtubes on this and related subjects but the good ones are very difficult to find.
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A lot of my best clients are appreciative and do have brains in their head and are quite decent by and large. I’m always happiest when I’m with men like this.
I could see the end of civilization the moment we upgraded our phone system.
Suddenly, it took more than pressing 9 to get an outside line to use your office phone.
I sat in a 90 minute “class” on how to use our new system on a Monday morning when I had real work to do.
After 6 weeks, the only advantage I found was letting everything go to voice mail. One could then review and return only calls that mattered.
I am glad Mr. Cringely has covered this issue. My parents, my sibling and myself lived thru TMI. Both my parents developed hypothyroidism, as well as myself. My sibling may be developing it, now. I think the main lessons from TMI are: 1). People are not trained properly when new equipment/software is introduced. 2). Systems are not designed properly for human-operators. The “2000 US Presidential Election” in Florida was an example of that. The “Boeing 737 MAX 8” aircraft crashes are the most recent-example of these very-deadly failures.
The Boeing problem is because they outsourced jobs to India and fired Americans, something still taking place in April first in mid pandemic and economic crises as they let hoards of more Hindus in on h1b
I gather the problems at Boeing were because of managment failure. You can’t blame that on the workers, Meanwhile the only reason Airbus didn’t swallow almostall of Boeings entire marketshare is factories can’t be built overnight. It’s an ironic justice in a way for how Boeing took over the industry following the window metal fatigue safety issues of the Comet jet.
It’s true Boeing had other problems but….beyond the COVID pandemic that’s hurting all airlines….I think their biggest problem, and the one most likely to bring them down, has been the 737MAX debacle. I have a buddy up in Everett, WA who works for Beoing (technical illustrator) and another long-time friend, a jumbo-jet pilot, who used to work for them (and now flies for Delta).
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According to both of them, the incredible failures and screw-ups on the 737MAX are almost unbelievable….so many bush-league mistakes (that any basic system design project manager would know not to do) that it boggles the mind. And a large part of it was mainly a software problem! The old “undocumented feature” bit that I think many of us have encountered in software previously in our professional lives.
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It’s hard to imagine how such a large experienced company coud have rolled out the 737MAX with so many problems, but they did. I hope they recover from this, but it is NOT happy times at Boeing right now.
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Living 60 mils north as the crow fly’s these two articles ring true. Thanks for the flashback. But lets be honest not a person in charge of any trade ever wants to look clueless when the waste hits the fan. Human nature if its truest form. .Curious. Harold Denton came across as a godsent to the people of the commonwealth. Any thoughts ?
A commenter on this site just reminds me of just so absolutely aweful humans are at determining cause and effect. Seperately, who wants to read an article about something so longa ago that basically says, “read this and see how I saw all the problems. Aren’t I great?”
Granted we didn’t need the self aggrandizement, but it was an interesting technical article about reactors that still exist throughout the world. As much as I dislike history, I am well aware of the old adage “those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it”.
The heroes here are the government bureaucrats who insisted on the extra concrete. It is pretty safe to assume GPU did not do that voluntarily.
This article feeds anti-nuclear sentiment through inaccurate portrayals of how a nuclear plant works.
The statement “Video screens on the back wall mainly verified the state (open/closed, on/off) of these valves and switches” is not true. In fact, there are no screens on the back wall. The panels I think you are referring to are annunciator panels, which provide alarm information to the operators.
The statement “In this entire control room there was ONE warning light and ONE horn or buzzer” is also wrong. The annunciator panels on the back wall are all alarms (warnings). It is true that there was one horn for the annunciators, but its function was just to call attention to which annunciators had just alarmed (those that were blinking), so the operators could identify the issue. From a human factors perspective, you wouldn’t want lots of horns, buzzers, or other audio devices interfering with the operator’s thought process while troubleshooting a plant problem.
The statement “What actually ran the reactor was a minicomputer” is totally inaccurate. When in “auto,” the plant was run by five cabinets of Bailey analog modules, each with an individual math or logic function.
As was stated by another commenter, the plant computer performed a monitoring function and was only occasionally used by the operators. When troubleshooting an actual plant problem, the operators had zero use for the printer. Everything they used was on the panels in front of them. Your discussion on a “printer-centric” system is such total misinformation as to be laughable. The operators were not “blind” due to the printer, as it was not even needed. The poor design of the PORV position indicator was their main issue. The fix was to use a vibration-based sensor on the valve tail pipe to indicate whether the valve was open. And of course, operator training was vastly improved, eventually culminating in plant specific control room simulators at every site.
I haven’t read the Kemeny report in decades, but your portrayal of the actual operation of the plant makes me suspect your other, non-technical conclusions may also contain inaccuracies.
Michael, we probably share some ideas about the TMI2 cause. I’m the guy who wrote this (and experienced the precursor at DBNPP in 1977): http://ansnuclearcafe.org/2014/04/23/tmi-operators-did-what-they-were-trained-to-do/#sthash.oXTPlbIz.dpbs
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I have heard your name, of course! Mostly from operators I knew who told the story. I didn’t start at DBNPP until 1982, and worked there in I&C until 2001. I am sorry to say I never met you, at least that I can recall.
Your link is the most cogent description of what went wrong I have ever read. Your link was the first I had seen your article.
Even after 2001 I was involved in nuclear but from an vendor’s point of view. I was involved in the RPS/ESFAS digital upgrade at all three Oconee units, and now just write Qualitative Assessments for various projects.
Thank you again for responding and linking to your article.
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This whole “Shut Everything Down” mania is the stupidest non-scientific / non-data drivenmania I’ve ever seen. There are dozens of supposed “expert” opinions on how (and how much) this thing will spread, and most have been wrong. We simply don’t know enough cause/effect for a bunch of state bureaucrats to decide what to shut (or not) down based on their political aspirations and what feels good to them.
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And now comes word from the UK with data that the “shutdown” so-called solution may TRULY cause more deaths than it prevents. The London Times reports:
“It’s chilling to know that many hospital wards, waiting rooms and car parks are now empty. Before this country was hit, only 800 of the NHS’s 4,125 critical care beds were vacant at one time. Now it’s 2,300. Even with some of the worst fatality rates in Europe, some hospitals now report being half empty since they paused almost all non-emergency work.”
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“Richard Sullivan, a professor of cancer and global health at King’s College London, says: “The number of deaths due to the disruption of cancer services is likely to outweigh the number of deaths from the coronavirus itself over the next five years. Cancer screening services have stopped, which means we will miss our chance to catch many cancers when they are treatable and curable.” Charles Swanton, Cancer Research UK’s chief clinician, says some tumours will become “inoperable” rather than survivable.”
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“The terrifying conclusion must be that there will be a non-Covid health crisis when this pandemic is over. Far more will suffer and die from otherwise treatable conditions as many go undiagnosed and untreated for the next six months. Their families will not forgive or forget.”
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“Matt Hancock, the health secretary, refuses to give a figure for the potential non-Covid fatalities from this catastrophe but the cabinet was told it could be up to 150,000 avoidable deaths.”
My understanding was that there were several causes for the TMI nuclear accident. One of the primary reasons:
“Despite the valve being stuck open, a light on the control panel ostensibly indicated that the valve was closed. In fact the light did not indicate the position of the valve, only the status of the solenoid being powered or not, thus giving false evidence of a closed valve. As a result, the operators did not correctly diagnose the problem for several hours.”
My limited experience with fluid piping design is that the most reliable control mechanism is a “sight flow indicator” so that you could visually check to determine the flow status in a pipe. Also, I liked to see lots of pressure gauges checking against each other.
I don’t have any experience in nuclear reactor design – but, my sense is that nuclear reactors are not designed as well as modern crude oil refineries and chemical plants.
If I look at a system control board of something like a crude oil cracker, I expect to see red-yellow-green indicator lights on both sides of a valve. Having a light for the valve-solenoid-actuator would be a distraction on the system control board. Solenoid indicator lights should be on the open-close switch and should include open and closed and opening and closing.
And yes – replacing mechanical switches with a video display monitor introduces a new point of failure.
But, to me the entire concept of a nuclear reactor is a completely unworkable idea because it takes around 10 hours to turn it off. It’s the equivalent to drilling an oil well without a blowout preventer.
Your statement “the status of the solenoid being powered or not, thus giving false evidence of a closed valve” is true. It was not designed well, and was a large contributor to the accident.
Your statement “the most reliable control mechanism is a “sight flow indicator” so that you could visually check to determine the flow status” is good if it could be done, but it is much harder than it may seem. If you could actually lay eyes on where this valve is, I’m sure you would sympathize with the engineering problem of placing a video camera there. It is a very hot, tight, high radiation area. Nuclear plants run with the lights in the containment building off anyway, since the equipment doesn’t care. So you have a valve with 2150 PSI, 615 degree water on one side, and atmospheric pressure on the other. I forget how short the stroke on this valve is, but it is very short.
They had a thermocouple on the tailpipe as a backup, however that wasn’t a good indicator for a couple of reasons. First, the valves had a tendency to weep just a bit, so the tail pipe temperature was elevated.Second, the thermocouple wouldn’t give a good reading anyway if the valve was open. A look at a Mollier Diagram shows that the temperature drops precipitously when the 2150 PSI water suddenly flashes to steam at atmospheric pressure.
For these reasons, the poor environment, the flow being very low even when the valve was open, and the water immediately flashing to steam on the outlet side of the valve, a setup like you propose, as much as it would work in a lot of applications, is not feasible for this valve. The solution of a vibration indicator on the tailpipe was a good solution.
Another part of the solution was to make the conditions that require opening the valve less likely. After TMI, B&W plants automatically tripped the reactor if the turbine tripped. That way the reactor heat didn’t need to be shunted off via the PORV.
Rather than being an unworkable idea, nuclear plants have some huge advantages. Imagine if you had a car that would run at highway speeds *without stopping* for 18 months, and then only needing a third of a tank of gas before it could go another 18 months. That is an incredible amount of power (E=MC^2). But as you said, the drawback to all that power is that it continues to make heat after you shut it down. You can actually stop the chain reaction in about a second and a half. But the reactor will continue to make some level of heat for years (initially about 8% thermal power, but dropping exponentially). You MUST remove that heat or the fuel will melt. That is why nuclear requires respect and good engineering. The new plants being built in Georgia have passive cooling systems. The small modular reactors on the drawing board take this further and require no extra cooling. So nuclear is evolving in a good direction. It takes time and good engineering.
I love hearing about stuff like this from soneone who knows what they are talking about. It’s all the “ahah” moments as you learn things and all the other stuff you wouldn’t consider without working through it.
Why, thank you! I just saw your comment. Again, thank you so much!
Yes, it’s been great reading your comments. They add a lot of value.
I wonder why some of us seem to make such an effort to scramble the main issue. Lets take for example this statement: “The number of deaths due to the disruption of cancer services is likely to outweigh the number of deaths from the coronavirus itself over the next five years.” Yes that’s terrible and perhaps there could be some way to continue the treatments of some cancer patients. The worst possible outcome, however, is that all cancer patients die, killing a known and limited number of people. The worst outcome of Covid-19 is not known but we have cases such as Italy to give us an idea of the consequences of just a bit of hesitation in curbing the early spread of the disease. These two killers are not comparable at all.
With great respect you’re talking complete horse shit. The science (that’s the real science) is known as are the benefits of proper policy and preparation. South Korea and the Germans are pretty much showing how it should be done. The Times is a Murdoch rag and like the Tlegraphis motivated by getting their team into power. If either say anything useful that is by coincidence. Loads of real scientists and experts are making the case not the politicised nonsense coming from the hard right Johnson led UK government.
Nuclear power is a failed 20th century technology that has never delivered its promise of cheap, clean and safe power. I look forward to it joining the dustbin of history.
It’s not so much nuclear isn’t cheap but the costs of over-regulation and low investment in new and safer alternative nuclear technologies are in short-term financial terms are high versus fossil fuels. Fossil fuels as we now know are extremely expensive and with climate change arriving with full force the bill is now due.
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The need for some nuclear capacity will not go away. Nuclear reactors produce a lot of by-products which are used in industry and pharmaceuticals and medical applications not tomention a military and space applications.
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The same is true of the petroleum industry. Everything from plastics to medicenes to fertilisers are dependent on access to oil. Oil as a fuel has been subsidising those uses so we need to find other ways of producing these materials and absorbing the cost structures.
That was just a drive-by hit and run comment. No data, no reasoned justifications, no rationale. I think Ron McMahon is just another anti-nuclear activist with no real knowledge of the technology.
Yeah. Personally I’m 100% with the green economy thing as well as economic and social policy and tax and welfare changes. I’m happy with renewables taking up more and more of the energy mix, and product changes, recycling, and all that. I’m also okay with extremely aggressive timetables to make these things happen.
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I don’t get the anti-nuclear energy thing.
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A disproprtionately significant number of my escort clients are involved with the nuclear industry or industrial military work or are ex-military. (This is probably due to post1970’s/1980’s economic skew than any proclivities on their part.) In my private life on social media it’s almost the complete opposite. It’s a bit of a headache navigating this! Conversation has been interesting but more on a personal level than the content. If you wanted to learn about the subject area you’d be better off watching youtube which is fair enough. Some of my clients like boasting and they deserve it. Other clients appreciate and like that I know what they are talking about. By and large they are not patronising or show-offs which I really like as it’s both respectful and quite an attractive quality. I don’t think I’ve ever had an anti-nuclear vegan client ever.
Well @Michael Fillian my comment was indeed brief, but only because to wax on ad nauseum over the countless examples of the massive cost overruns, enormous true carbon footprint and practically permanent environmental harm caused by nuclear power is more elegantly summarized by calling it what I did. Perhaps I was being too trusting in the effectiveness of brevity?
Of course there is also value in pointing out the lunacy in trusting the nuclear industry peddlers of yet the latest gimmick-of-the-decade nuclear technology, promising yet again that this brand-new, shiny way of boiling water is truly now really just as safe as mother’s milk. Trust us.
It would be unfair for me to leave the impression that I have no use for all of the products of nuclear technology. I do recognize the great benefit of a multitude of radioisotopes in the medical realm and the beneficial use of nuclear-source power on remote spacecraft like the Voyager pair. That said, I’m with Einstein in his conclusion that “it’s a hell of a way to boil water.”
Bonus point would be to cite the grave harm caused by the proliferation of Depleted Uranium weapons in warzones, spreading microscopic radioactivity in vast regions of Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan that will continue to quietly and invisibly poison and harm the people of these regions for millennia to come.
https://www.famousscientists.org/einstein-did-not-say-that/
Mark Twain didn’t say it either.
Nor did Abraham Lincoln.
Agreed, and well stated. Those types of posts really annoy me. I come to Cringley.com as much for the informed discussion as for Cringley’s take on subjects; it’s like auditing a Master’s class discussion at university on a wide range of topics. Even Roger Sinasohn’s position is well argued, though I think he’s beating a horse so long dead it’s fossilized… 😉
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I also am for green power. Most people do not understand its drawbacks, however. For the most part, green energy with the storage required does not have the energy return on investment necessary (EROI) to sustain a technological society. Therefore renewables market penetration is inherently limited, with the rest needing to be supplied with reliable power.
The best study I’ve seen is here: https://festkoerper-kernphysik.de/Weissbach_EROI_preprint.pdf
It is okay if you’re non-technical, just know that renewables will always need to be supplemented with base load power. It can be coal, natural gas, hydro,nuclear, whatever but physics will require it.
The cost of any subsidy for renewables in the short-term is outweighed many times by the cost of doing nothing. You can’t cling to the past or be diverted off by fossil fuel industry sponsored reports. Byand largeIthink we’ve passed serveral tipping points with renewables. There is enough interest and investment and progress made now it’s really beginning to self-sustain. This point is beginning to be reached with battery technology. I know a lot of new stuff is still in the lab but it’s moving at a rate of knots now compared to before. Not just replacments for current lithium technology but things like molten salt batteries. The baseline load argument is shifting.
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These changes are also within an economic and social and refactoring of fiscal arrangements context as well as other technology changes. You have a lot of costs but also a lot of benefits shifting about.Then there is the steady state economy, changing demographics, plus more and more recycling and energy efficiency, and changes in work arrangements and social activities. I know process engineers and supply chain experts are already working on elements of these as have some economists and technologists. If Cringely pulled his head of of his posterior there is a huge amount of work happening all around the world on this not getting the attention it deserves. But if he wants to keep on with his backwards and inwards looking Rah Rah America schtick that’s his loss.
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The UK opened the worlds first commercial power station, built the worlds first hydro-battery, and was the world leader in wavepower technology before throwing all that away. (Not to mention the world’s first commercial computer, digital telephone system, and God knows what else.) I’m not a fan of nationalism at all but we can do better than this.
I think Mr Cringely is right in his analysis. Bureaucracies / organizations always protect themselves first. This is true in both government and corporate worlds. So you always have to take pronouncements from them with a grain of salt.I can’t say I always agree with Mr Cringely’s conclusions, but I do always like reading his take on things; it always makes me think. In the matter of re-opening the economy, I think what’s missing in this discussion is that not everyone is stupid; people are well able to understand risks and take appropriate action (like distancing) when they understand what is at stake. I object to this being done by government fiat. It is not the government’s job to protect me at every turn. Give us the risks, give us tools to manage the risks, and then leave us alone.
It’s not all about you… There’s an issue of managing a situation versus informed citizens and also protecting against the stupid, and various actors taking unfair advantage and not everyone being on the same page and coordinating resources etc.
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In the UK apart from the pressure the French brought on the clown government in the UK is massive public pressure for lockdown and maintaining the lockdownwhich made it happen.Thank God it did. There’s also huge demand and presure frompeople for getting ahead of supplying material like PPE, ventilators, respirators, plus implementing tracking and testing and containing. Leaked documents and joining the dots prove the government wanted to carry on with its political agenda of letting the virus rip and they had to cave in. There are a lot of clowns out there. If lockdown is eased off too fast and in the wrong way those self-same clowns will run riot and send us back to the starting point and prolong the crisis.
Why do we need to “protect against the stupid”, exactly? Stupid will do what stupid does. But if distancing works and facemasks work, then what does it matter? If everyone else stays a distance away, what harm do they do except to themselves? Now, I say this because I live in the part of the country that has a lot of space – I am not in New York or LA. So it’s easy here to keep our distance. I understand a New York has a different problem. But large chunks of the country have the space – let them go back to work and keep their distance. There are many, many jobs that don’t require people packed in shoulder to shoulder.
Because lockdown works and not locking down doesn’t work. This is the experience. The reason is as with many things practice does not follow theory. Lots of people simply won’t behave like a perfect sphere rolling in a straight line. Mistakes happen. People shedding virus will leave virus all over the place. All it takes is one person to pick it up and that’s an office contaminated or a household infected. Add up all the times this happens and you have the virus continually circling and healthcare systems constantly red lining.
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You live somewhere with a lot of space? Define “a lot of space”. Lots of people who live in the middle of nowhere thought it was a fuss over nothing until the village next to them got it.
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It’s not about you, sweetie.
For the Trump fan above who was claiming that in the UK the lockdown may “cause more deaths than it prevents”. Latest reports are that one third of all deaths in England and Wales are due to coronavirus – i.e. a 50% increase over the normal death rate, and that deaths in care homes are four times higher than usual.
The US is heading for serious pain with Trump trying to lift the lockdown. The second wave of infections will be worse than the first.
They may find a cure for covid-19, but unfortunately there is no cure for stupid.
Good point…
I wish I had a good source of where the United States stands on death counts.
Given that the US population is around 320 million, I assume around 5 to 6 million Americans die per year – perhaps around 15,000 per day.
How is the US doing in regard to the number of people dying each day in the current month?
By what percent has covid-19 increased the deaths per day?
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Your guess is about twice the actual US death rate
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate
“there is no cure for stupid.”
Sure there are. But there are restrictions against killing people.
‘The second wave will be worse than the first’
The purpose of the shutdown was to keep health care systems from being overrun, not to eliminate the virus.
There was always going to be a second wave.
The lockdown was sold as two weeks, then extended because the purpose changed.
Meanwhile the NYC subway was never shutdown.
RE “Second Wave”: “There are many unanswered questions about the virus that could determine whether there will be a second wave of infection and how bad that wave might be.” https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/22/coronavirus-cdc-director-redfield-warning-second-wave/3002165001/
The Financial Times will be releasing its analysis tomorrow that 41,000 people have died of coronavirus more than double the official figure of 17,337.
The CDC says 41,758 Americans (.01%) have died from covid-19
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html
Where does the official figure come from?
Sorry I was discussing the UK. After posting and forgetting to specificy this I thought people might click because it was the FT.
Metro contains an article covering the Financial Times story. There are pictures showing a graph comparing the old figures with new figures based on more completedata. The second graph shows min-max deaths 2010-2019 with 2020 laid over the top. The coronavirus pandemic shows quite a leap. It is inevtable that a healthcare system organised to deal with averages with no slack in the system or preparation for a pandemic will redline services almost immediately.
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UK citizens via Twitter were already working on this last week and arriving at similar estimates before the Financial Times published.
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This is good work by the Financial Times. By and large the FT is a sensible newspaper. The new Japanese owners were claimed to be keen on maintaining the FTs reputation. Unlike the Americans with taking over Cadbury etcetera, and Softbank, which was a proxy for Chinese money to which ownership was transferred, taking over ARM.
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https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/22/terrifying-graph-shows-just-bad-uk-coronavirus-death-toll-may-12591752/
Here’s an article in the New York Times, showing similar excess death rates for several countries:
28,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus Crisis
Nice article. That’s the kind of information I think is very pertinent.
As mentioned before, I live and work near TMI, most of my life. This is not a revelation to me, but I guess today (just like 1979) there are people who aren’t interested in understanding the things around them. Easier to just take things for granted. Most of this commentary boils down to some lines from “Joe versus the Volcano”.
“I know he can get the job, but can he do the job?”
Clearly the difference can be life threatening.
I think we found the house fire that will lead to the end of El Dorado:
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/space-sectors-most-at-risk-from-coronavirus-freeze-in-vc-funding.html
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Experts are predicting this will come down especially hard on companies with a large inventory of photoshops of aircraft.
Quote: “Experts are predicting this will come down especially hard on companies with a large inventory of photoshops of aircraft.”
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LOL.
You know, the Cringely humor on here is starting to get pretty good.
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I propose that when this pandemic is over we have an “open-mike night” get-together at a comedy club where we each go on stage and do five minutes of Cringely-related jokes. We could do it sort of in the Rodney Dangerfield “no respect” style, for example:
“For my birthday my kids bought me a ticket for one of those civilian space flights to the upper reaches of the atmosphere.”
“The problem is….it’s on Cringley Space Airways….meaning it’s a one way trip only! I’ll tell ya, I don’t get no respect, no respect!”
I think I just may be on to something new here in the world of comedy!
I was talking to Doctor Cringely the other day, he says he’s got six PhDs. I says where from and he says “Almost Stanford.”
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He looks in my ear and gives me a month to live. I said Doc what is it, what do you see? and he said “Nothing, Gran. Nothing at all.”
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I booked a flight last week on Cringely Air. You heard of this? They pick you up and take you to the airport and drive you back. The actual flight, they say, is still “in development.”
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I talked to customer service and man did this guy have bad breath. Cringely said “Is this better?” and he held up his arms.
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Cringely offered me a full refund, no questions asked. I said hey, I’m game. So he shot me.
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(50% of these are badly rewritten Rodney jokes.)
Cringely gets no respect at all. He gave a kids a day off from building Minecraft servers and they all went to the beach. Cringe lost sight of his kids and asked the lifeguard to help him find them. The lifeguard replied “I don’t know, sir, there are so many places they could hide.”
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Cringely took his family to the amusement rides at the Santa Cruz beach boardwalk and his kids said “Dad, we want to check out the “crazy house,” and Cringe replied “Save your money, boys, we’ll be home soon!”
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After Cringely and Anina finished working closely together to save the world, she called him up that evening and said in a sultry voice: “Hey Cringe, come on over….no one’s home!” He went over. Nobody was home.
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Cringe gets no respect. The way his luck is running, if he was a politician he would be honest.
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Cringely told his psychiatrist that everyone hates him. The psychiatrist told him he was being ridiculous – everyone hasn’t met him yet!
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(Likewise stolen from Rodney….R.I.P. but no respect 🙂
First – thanks to trashtalk and GreenWyvern for the links. Comments in those articles helped me find this:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/
In Table-1 it looks like covid-19 is roughly 10% of the deaths currently occurring in the US.
Now the important part that I have been looking for:
Total deaths per day are less during covid-19. That is, with everyone staying home there are less automobile accidents, drive-by shootings, etc.
So roughly 5% less people are dying each day currently.
So, the next part of the puzzle I’m trying to figure out is what will this mean 1 or 2 years from now.
Are a lot of people dying from covid-19 that were going to die anyway within a short time period?
Will automobile accidents increase as careless-people catch-up on their projected mortality?
Latest charts from the FT. Free to read.
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http://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest
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Comment filter playing up again.
You can almost hear the steady “*bok* *bok* *bok*” metronome quality of nuclear power station radiation meters in the background. The lethal or endemic nature of Coronavirus until a vaccine is developed is like walking through Chernobyl. Prospective dates are potential rad pits. Standard operating conditions for an escort.
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It would be easy money to step into this market space but my work phone is switched off for a reason. Rather them than me!
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2020/04/21/dont-want-swipe-tinder-while-self-isolation-thats-totally-fine/
Tell them you’ll only see them if you can wear full PPE at all times! Nurse role-play anyone? 😷
This has crossed my mind. Nurse, or latex and full face respirator clad Dominatrix, or Middle-Eastern style with a veil to cover the mask. I don’t think anything more than some social and teasing and a handjob in the local park would be safe and this technically would be unlawful. While escort is legal in the UK paid sex acts in public while being viewed by a third party is not. Another option would be as an exclusive companion but even with “bulk discount” this is expensive and require a lot of trust and verification plus passing a 14 day isolation hurdle. I’d be happy with this kind of arrangement for a month or year or two depending on the company and agreement. It’s very rare but not unheard of.
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I could write a book but I’m not much of a professional liar although actually one noted tech enterpreneur now deceased (a clue if anyone wants to guess) did start their own publishing company before getting into tech and did well. I bought one of his books and it’s an inspiring model for a book if I can fit a formula. I think I’ll pass on this one. I have nothing interesting to say and am not motivated.
The 14-day isolation has just become 21-day. To err on the side of additional caution when the parameters of this “novel” pathogen have yet to be fully demonstrated would not be unwise.
This article is dated March 23rd:
“That team found that of the 2,015 COVID-19 cases they studied across China – a sample that included nearly 100 children – 233 patients had incubation periods longer than the 14-day quarantine period recommended by WHO and the CDC, or nearly 12%. The range of incubation days they saw ranged from 0 to 33 days.” https://www.revealnews.org/article/is-14-days-enough/
I was wondering, with your experience at TMI, Robert, if you have read a little about molten-salt reactor. Not that the technology is available right now. Any thought on their safety. They seem to have a lot of advantages when compared to water cooled nuclear reactors.
The lethal nature of the coronavirus until the development of a vaccine is truly long lasting
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More on ……Andrew Dedman (Economic Crime Unit/MI5)
Hi this is my first input on Dark Politricks grew up near Wolverhampton. also lived in London and Cambridgeshire ,I had a job with the British Government for my sins(cant say exactly what but it makes no odds) got kicked out and then became a Professional criminal,then writer,Im not giving my name away for free however I will leave you a few clues you can find my person in well known crime books…anyway Ive used a few contacts and researched on Andrew Dedman as mentioned upon this site there is a file but I cant get access to it directly and it came from those Wikileaks chaps as follows Andrew Dedman :
School of Electrical and mechanical Engineers,Royal Engineers (Intelligence unit team leader)
Economic Crime Department (Espionage/Political) City of london police.
Theres an article below included on what Economic crime is for those who dont know – in plain English Economic crime can involve MI5 contracts and work.Economic Crime Units tend to investigate or have Departments within them that specialize in political crime and also prosecutng onbehalf of the state.No normal police officer ever gets into the Economic Crime unit at the City of london therefore without a doubt what with Andrew Dedmans background hes a ringer for being recruited into MI5.
Economic crime is usually confused with another term, corruption. There are different definitions of what is corruption. Each definition illuminates different dimensions of the phenomenon to be studied, influencing the analysis and prosecution tasks to be implemented. A first definition focuses on public ethics. Here, corruption is defined as an ethical confusion between public and private space. A second vision relates the problem of corruption to the lack of transparency of the state, may that be it in the form of barriers to access public information or the pinpoint hiring opportunities to certain companies in the area of goods and services. However, there is a third definition, which is the one that we as an organization promote: corruption is one of the many parts of a more complex and more comprehensive criminal phenomenon, which is economic crime. Therefore, our vision is not limited to crimes committed in the public sector, but also extends to those perpetrated by economic actors in the private sector.
Thus, economic crime covers a wide range of offenses, from financial crimes committed by banks, tax evasion, illicit capital heavens, money laundering, crimes committed by public officials (like bribery, embezzlement, traffic of influences, etc.) among many others.
Economic crime is regarded to generate a considerable social damage. That’s because it doesn’t only affect democratic institutions but also undermines the state treasure by cutting available resources for the implementation of public policies. Those who are more vulnerable are those who need these policies the most that is way they become one of the main victims of corruption and economic crime. At the same time, the social damage generated by this criminal activities is usually invisible: apart from the general indignation, is rather complex to have a precise awareness about the true effects of these crimes.
Moreover, selective and inefficient prosecution of this type of crimes and those responsible, evidence the structural impunity in our judicial system towards this criminal activity. Of course, this is linked to the fact that economic crimes are often carried put by powerful actors linked to political and economical power.
Economic crime is generated from a hidden power that defines the relationships between economics and politics. Financial liberalization and market reforms undertaken in Argentina in recent decades, left as a result a gradual process of institutional state capture by major economic groups. This capture is now expressed in a powerful influence of these economic actors in the decision making processes, the implementation of public policies and distribution of economic and social resources.
Anonymous18 April 2020 at 11:13
More on ……Andrew Dedman (Economic Crime Unit/MI5)
Hi this is my first input on Dark Politricks grew up near Wolverhampton. also lived in London and Cambridgeshire ,I had a job with the British Government for my sins(cant say exactly what but it makes no odds) got kicked out and then became a Professional criminal,then writer,Im not giving my name away for free however I will leave you a few clues you can find my person in well known crime books…anyway Ive used a few contacts and researched on Andrew Dedman as mentioned upon this site there is a file but I cant get access to it directly and it came from those Wikileaks chaps as follows Andrew Dedman :
School of Electrical and mechanical Engineers,Royal Engineers (Intelligence unit team leader)
Economic Crime Department (Espionage/Political) City of london police.
London CT Publishing exposed shayler years ago as part of the Dedman network…appearing at a neo nazi convention.. is he still working for MI5? undercover or a fascist well look at his photograph supplied on the Dedman Files and you see him bragging about Dedman….this Kamali Dung is for real Shayler spoke at a neo nazi rally…to what end…as for Annie well shes kept quite about this …come on folks she co wrote a book with Shayler called whistleblowing and cant even blow the whistle on her former husband and co writer being at a fascist rally WAKE UP TIME!!!!
Anonymous9 April 2020 at 07:21
Thats not in anyway an Inflammatory statement its a fact that Google and espionage agents stink of corruption ,lies and deceit.There is a saying conjured up by London CT Publishing many years ago “There is nothing secret about British Intelligence or their activities,just where they live and how much money thet earn,everything else goes out through the back door”…..”‘You deploy all these different resources and liaise with all these specialist groups,’ she said. ‘And then you get all the information back from all the different sources and you need to compel a picture. On a day-to-day basis it’s a bit like doing a jigsaw puzzle” wow Annie Machon on how MI5 operate what an informative piece of journalsim….Having said that, we did use some Bond-style gadgets. And it’s exciting when you get your ‘alias’ and an official passport in that alias; everyone who got that thought, “Wow this is so cool”…..oh jeeezzzz
Russia – Israel ,Interesting facts and figures how Israel is under massive Chinese, Russian cyber espionage attack (Conservatively explained to the ignorant and dumb of mind Malware is an accepted form of Monitoring – London CT publishing)
This might be a surprising language to find on this particular list, but the truth is that Russian is the one non-official language that is spoken by highest number of people in Israel. Editor Today more than a quarter of the Israel population speak fluent Russian BELIEVE and believe that is an incredible fact…bit scarry 2????…to some maybe but it is a fact that Darebear is big in Israel!!!!
Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu offered some insights into how he had wooed Vladimir Putin into the most fruitful partnership of any western leader.First, he paid homage to Tolstoy and Dostoevsky. Then, he thanked the Red Army for defeating the Nazis. Editor – Tolstoy eh?!!!!!! maybe theres hope for BI BI yet.
Addressing a recent meeting of the Russia-Israel Business Dialogue Forum, organized by the Israeli-Russian Business Council in Jerusalem, Elkin said: “Our trade volume, at least, according to the Israeli system, both in 2018 and 2019 exceeded US$5 billion. New York Heroin cartels earn 5 billion easy so work it out ….dont want to get in to deep …by the way did you know Israel Government grows cannabis??? yeah really look here:Reporting from Jerusalem —
Raphael Mechoulam seems an unlikely figure to be called a pot pioneer. But the 88-year-old Bulgarian-born Holocaust survivor and professor emeritus at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem was among the first scientists to isolate psychoactive ingredients in marijuana
Cannabis export from Israel has received the final government approval, after one year of waiting.The Israeli cannabis industry has been stymied for quite a while, mainly in part to U.S. President Trump asking the Prime Minister and de facto Minister of Health of Israel, Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu to halt the export of cannabis flower from Israel.
Researchers, historians, Shin Bet counter-espionage operatives and even the broader public did not need Israeli daily newspaper Yediot Aharonot’s exposé this week about Israeli Soviet spies in order to know that Soviet intelligence tried and succeeded in penetrating into the heart of Israel’s diplomatic-security-intelligence establishment
DARK POLITRICKS WORLD EXCLUSIVE (London CT Publishing).
Annie Machon and RT Television holding back on MI5 Operations.
In Literacy circles once an author has written a book thats it full stop period theres no turning back on what youve written,every writer gets that one shot one kill.When you co- write a book you effectively take responsibility for the co author.
“In this remarkable book, Annie Machon makes serious allegations against the British state’s intelligence services, MI5 and MI6. Ms Machon and her partner David Shayler are former high-ranking MI5 officers, both now retired from the service. The book’s allegations derive from their experiences and deserve at least to be the subject of inquiry”.
If any persons gets certain strains of HIV in their blood there is a high risk of death or serious illness theres no two ways about it so lets not play about with medical issues,explaining there is no Deadly Virus is somewhat haphazard ,if your stating the drinking water in London is dangerous,fine see you tube for evidence,if you trust most the food sold in supermarkets for example Nutella your Dim like the label states (Modified palm oil,is far from clean and It is one of the more toxic and damaging types of fats).The point made here is that certain Viruses in certain conditions will cause illness and death and Coronavirus whether this author likes it or not really is from what can be gathered from the majority of World health sources (and they tend not to lie) a virus that is apparently killing people .Read as follows, A disease is a pathophysiological response to internal or external factors. A disorder is a disruption to regular bodily structure and function. A syndrome is a collection of signs and symptoms associated with a specific health-related cause.There is no doubt that 5G is a problematic phenomenon that certain people within the American and British Government share a phobia about from Intelligence angles, “The British government has been warned by the US that it would be madness to use technology provided by Huawei to help build the UK’s 5G network.” However the madness of the British Government is that it allows people with a listed life threatening contagious disease to work whilst being in a contagious STATE,just because a person does not have any symptoms doesnt mean a persons isnt contagious from paralegal studies it can be explained whenever qualified Doctors deal with any form of contagious diseases even none life threatening when making a diagnosis they must be completely sure in their own minds that they are dealing with or rather have discovered/found a contagious medical condition ,in medical training there can be no doubt and if there is any doubt at all whatsoever a Doctor must always seek advice from other Doctors and /or eire on the probability that it is a contagious disease they are facing – there can be no half way measures or Indecisive decisions in making a diagnosis about contagious diseases.There are many times when a Doctors diagnosis of a disease is wrong (and for many different reasons!) but the medical profession allows for this when dealing with contagious diseases – WITH CONTAGIOUS ISSUES DOCTORS DONT TAKE CHANCES.This form of protocol or policy also applies to the Intelligence services such as MI5 and the CIA you mess with them and your a dedman so to speak both the CIA and MI5 members not all but some would rather the Chinese and Huawei 5g setup shop somewhere else and its not about right or wrong its solely about the order or directive .The British and American Government dont give 2 of Sara Gilberts Monkeys for the safety aspects of the 5G Network and neither do the persons high above who dont want Huawei 5G in the UK and thats where this prompt slots into your blog the whole Coronavirus affair is a spooks delight an opportunity to experiment with new powers and implement new order and the entire package dale fits neatly into a form of modus operandi.The base line is unless your innocent or have the same intellect or understanding dont mess with their hierachys appreciative understandings in this world or you will end up like Seth Rich or Arjen Kamphuis or Julian Assange to name a few! Life is cheap and so is a 5G connection remember that the only thing thats secret these days in MI5 is where they live and how much they earn a year everything else goes through the back door and ends up in the kremlin,the Whitehouse and some goofballs googley type of bitcoin server setup.
Anonymous1 April 2020 at 18:13
A brief history of the socialist party of (MI5) great britain how the left emerged from this and that and fractured and splintered and then forgot to buy a hard drive….
The formation of a new party was rendered imperative by the falling away of the SDF from the paths of political right-doing . . . Looking around them [some members of the SDF] in the political world they saw that organisations of the half-way house character were obtaining a larger measure of support, . . . they set themselves to the task of winning their own organisation to a similar position and to the adoption of a similar line of action.
In this they were highly successful . . . The founders [of the Socialist Party] were fully alive to the fact that such spade work had to be performed . . . It is easier to gain adherents to belief in a small palliative reform than to gain them to a new philosophy based upon an understanding of the material foundations of modem industrial slavery. But in the former case the adherents are not adherents for Socialism, in the latter case they are.
WIKIPEDIA
The Socialist Party of Great Britain (SPGB) is a socialist political party in the United Kingdom. Founded in 1904 as a split from the Social Democratic Federation (SDF), it advocates using the ballot box for revolutionary purposes and opposes both Leninism and reformism. It holds that countries which claimed to have established socialism had only established “state capitalism” and was one of the first to describe the Soviet Union as state capitalist. The party’s political position has been described as a form of impossibilism. wow its so impossible to understand why the socialist party of great britain even though officially ASKED CANT EXPLAIN POLITICALLY WHY IT DIDNT BUY A HARD DRIVE TO SAVE ALL THE WRITERS WORK….LIKE WOW COSMOPOLITAN…..YEAH RIGHT ON COMRADES
NOW YOU DUDES MAKE UP YOUR MIND WHY DID THESPGB NOT SAVE THEIR OWN WORK – SIMPLE THERE WAS HIDDEN EVIDENCE THAT HAD TO BE REMOVED GOOGLE DO THE SAME MANY ARTICLES A DECADE AGO EXPOSING AND TELLING THE TRUTH HAVE BEEN WIPED BY GOOGLE FOR POLITICAL REASONS THE SAME WAY MI5 ORDERED THE SPGB TO DESTROY ITS OWN INTERNAL WRITINGS AND CONTRIBUTIONS NO POLITICAL PARTY FORGETS TO BUY A HARD DRIVE FOLKS COME ON THIS IS EVIDENCE OF HOW FASCISTS AND NAZIS OPERATE ITS STANDARD MILITARY INTELLIGENCE modus operandi OR WHAT EVER THEY SETUP ,LIE CHEAT STEAL AND THEN REMOVE THE EVIDENCE SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WROTE MANY OF THOSE ARTICLES A DECADE AGO FOR THE SPGB WHERE PAID UP GANGSTAS WHO HAVE DISAPPEARED THEY LIVE IN NICE HOUSES HAVE NICE CARS AND IF YOU GO NEAR THEM OR KNOW THEM…..WELL THATS ANOTHER STORY…PARANOID OR ESPIONAGE TRY IT FOR YOURSELVES THEIR IN THE PHONEBOOK JUST PHONE THEM UP ASK THEM TO EXPLAIN IN WRITING WHY THEY DIDNT SAVE ALL THOSE WRITEUPS…..COUNTLESS THOUSANDS OF CONTRIBUTIONS WOOSH JUST FLASHED GONE FOR EVER WHEN A SERVER CRASHSES…..NOPE!!!!
Google – make out liker their on the side of the people…woops…they collect intel thats a fact and they do deals with it.Google are smart,alot smarter than people give them credit fort they find things themselves and the powers that be that watch over them further more they contribute to the desruction and prohibition of evidence they are involved in publishing and can buy sites ouyt…infact thats what alot of people on the net are really about there fat pigs making money from extortion through publishing,google drive and email servers are wide open…Basically they compile wehats going on then snitch it up to the American and other Governments and then work out how to whitewash and get rid of the evidence the best examples are those early 911 videos ….Im not supporting Alex Jones I have my reasons but there was a 911 video it was good I mean like it rocked….you cant find this video no more like woosh its gone then i got around to thinking….its got alex jones standing where the two towers once where its a pow
Anonymous2 April 2020 at 16:10
Did u know that in the uk your not allowed to call putin a prick?? if you do the British military turn up on your housing estate pretending to be GRU and fill up your water taps with weedkiller
I don’t mean to be alarmist or anything like that, but I have come to the conclusion that London tap water is something that should be avoided at all costs. In fact I will go as far as saying that the filthy stuff is poisonous and a downright danger to your health. London tap water is unsafe to drink and I will take it one step further and say that it isn’t even a good idea to wash in the stuff.
It is a fact that 80% of London’s drinking water comes from storage reservoirs connected to the River Thames and the River Lee. I’m sure that anybody that has ever been to London, couldn’t help but notice the filthy colour of the water in the Thames and it is obvious that a lot of chemicals go into turning that into the stuff that flows out of the tap.
I’m basing my assumption that London tap water is a danger to your health from my own findings. When I first arrived here, I did a wee bit of research and found that the tap water was safe to drink, it maybe tastes disgusting but it was safe to drink. Not been one to waste money on something, which I could get for free and I thought I may eventually get accustomed to the taste, so I drank it.
However during my first 3 months living in London I had a constant sore throat, which just wouldn’t go away. It was round about then that I discovered where the water I was drinking originated from and I thought holy f**k. I instantly put a halt to local tap water going down my sensitive throat. And believe it or not within a couple of days my throat was back to normal and it hasn’t bothered me since.
you know a friend of mine works in US Government Department and they compile data and stats there,anyway he knows a cuople of feds and they were laughing explaining to him that the CIA and the British intelligence service spend countless millions in settig up web sites and blogs pay there own people to run them and then follow and find out who the public are that contribute…anyway what the assholes do is they fit them up as though they are child pornographers or drug dealers follow them around for a few years then kick there home doors in and ron the place for computer stuff….something wikileaks never telll you about AVOID OFFICIAL WIKILEAKS SITE LIKE ITS COVID 19
Yes thats very true …the Southern part of ireland is a Republic separate from the UK different country has its own Republic and Government and yet its the only country in the world that doesnt speak its own language.Now thats beyond a conspiracy theory …The word is that in the Republic of Ireland it has been ordered by the NEW WORLD ORDER that the Irish cant speak their own language …CAN SOMEONE FROM DARK POLITRICKS REQUEST IN WRITING FROM THE IRISH GOVERNMENT WHY THE IRISH ARENT ALLOWED TO SPEAK THEIR OWN LANGUAGE???????? its like the Americans speaking Russian or the spanish speaking Greek you know what we mean???? Like the Irish have had there own government for decades and they cany pass a law or give the country the go ahead to speak Gaelic…is this a form of repression an order or something else we should all know about please do let us know we are open to interpretation upon this subject
We can confirm the first language of the Irish republic is ENGLISH everybody everywhere speaks the language of ENGLISH as the first language and there is no opposition or law or Government endorsement for the Irish in the Republic to speak their native tongue Gaelic as their first language….is this weird VD or what ?? or some form of NEW WORLD ORDER telling Irish people not to speak their own language how would you react to being told you have to speak another countries language when your country has no Government ties with other countries THATS TIT RIGHT THERE STOP there is nothing in the Irish Republics constitution statiing the country has to speak another countries language therefore IT MUST BE AN ORDER FROM ABOVE YES OR NO its your vote folks dont waste it!!!!!!
Sadly it is a fact that the Irish are being prohibited in the Republic of Ireland from speaking their own language Gaelic.I am a researcher and writer.Until recently it was kept quite however it is now a form of accepted knowledge that many former members of the Irish Republican Army (Once regarded as terrorists) have themselves been recruited by the CIA and MI5/6 others are so intoxicated they have completely lost all reality as to what is happening around them politically and how they are being used by others.There are a number of high profile former IRA members who work with political parties,solicitors,business,media that are most Definitely and Defiantly continuing in their two model role.It has come to the point that it is beyond embarrassing watching these persons in operation and has got to the point where their medical ineptness is now having severe impact on normal politicians and members of both the British and American government alike ,its like selling a Dedmans horse twice to an Arab with more Kamali dung than China has opium.They say never Judge a book by its cover or look a gift horse in the mouth ….but to be Frank…
what the state does not want is internet users finding evidence that can be used in other human rights cases or civil cases against local Governments or central Government infact many cases through out the world have been won by using internet collected intelligence and evidence….I completely agree that Dark Politricks has been tampered with whilst offering anybody at all the chance to provide and participate in free speech.Trump is one of the most profound bigots upon the planets surface he rants on and on and on about free speech,in the UK the secret service and their agents block people off from creating sites and believe US when we tell you that it is done on purpose with the intention of preventing people from being named.Britain is pseudo neo fascist state where people offer services and maintain an order in exchange for rewards good jobs and payment plans are rewards just to get a bit to close to reality some people participate in the uk and thats the best way of saying it and cant even get a 50 dollar overdraught,then you get others that can take out loans of 50,000 dollars equivalent without even going up against red tape something wrong there and meanwhile trump rants on about free speech and yet many normal people trying to get the message out in the uk are slowly suffocating and strangled by internet espionage agents that monitor and block…..its real its deadly real they actually prevent sites being listed on google,folks build sites and they block them on google they wany tou paying a company with a credit card so they know your identification rather than just supplying the details through geogle geo sites are whatever many have tried Google will just block them and then if your lucky and it gets placed on google a few months later it gets taken odd line this is not freedom of speech this is fascism if you wanna write about the conservative party or how to make cakes and biscuits or some poop scoop site about cats and dogs no problem try putting sites together that attack the state and thats it..another thing we aint against Government dull stop or the police they are after all needed but lets be honest in the uk they are just part of drug cartels or the next week they are working for Putin or Trump or Cocoacola…..
INFOWARS!!!!! BACK AGAIN!!!!! AND NO WE DONT EAT PORK AND LUV YOU!!!!
REPORT BY MATT BLACK
UK mobile network providers have warned against the spread of “baseless” conspiracy theories linking coronavirus to 5G, after videos purportedly showing masts on fire were posted on social media.
West Midlands Fire Service said eight firefighters attended an incident on Thursday evening, involving a 70-foot tower on a telecommunications site in the Sparkhill area of Birmingham – though a spokesman said the cause was yet to be identified and could not confirm whether the mast in question was 5G.
The server hosts
the websites for the SPGB, the World Socialist Movement (WSM), the Socialist Party of
Canada (SPC), and the World Socialist Party of New Zealand (WSPNZ).
Once we became aware of the attack, we immediately took the web server offline and
began taking steps to assess and repair the damage. Our initial assessment is that the
attack took place on or around 30 June 2018 and that it was effected through a
security flaw in the content management system that powers the SPGB website. The
identity of the attacker is not currently known to us.
Wow, and people called me long-winded!
This Doctor apparently is an intelligence officer and is full of shit and wind!
So take all your Dr Moayyad Kamali DDung and your millions in secret service fake bank accounts known to British Intelligence
***THE REASON COVID19 IS A BIOLOGICAL WEAPON IS BECAUSE THERE IS STILL NO CURE TO THE VIRUS THAT CONTAINS ENGINEERED MUTATED GENES SIMILAR TO HIV – AND WHILST IT CAN BE MANUFACTURED AND GROWN IN LABORATORIES HOSTILE TO WESTERN GOVERNMENTS THIS VIRUS REMAINS AND DEMONSTRATES A REAL THREAT TO WESTERN CAPITALIST ECONOMY***
Bombshell ICC Complaint Sues China Over Alleged Coronavirus ‘Bioweapon’
A new lawsuit has been filed with the International Criminal Court (ICC), arguing coronavirus is a bioweapon.
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Joseph Young @iamjosephyoung
Coronavirus, China
A new criminal complaint filed at the International Criminal Court (ICC) alleges that the coronavirus is a ‘bioweapon’. | Source: China Daily via REUTERS
2. The Complainants also allege among other acts that the Defendants failed to prevent the
Wuhan Institute of Virology’s personnel from becoming infected with the bioweapon and
then carrying the virus out into the surrounding community and proliferation into the
United States.
3. This is also a complaint for the Defendants’ violation of international treaties and
international law and obligations by withholding medical information on the spread of the
COVID-19 virus, resulting in thousands of avoidable and unnecessary deaths and
illnesses and massive world economic damage caused by the delay in sharing medical
information about the spread of the virus.
So there you have it some Lawyers believe COVID19 to be a biological weapon and some Doctors in this world would if they could dare we say it section off Mr Klayman and why we are all waiting others including the British Government will starve US to death by not dealing with the Chinese Government to import noodles etc directly to UK instead leaving US with empty Supermarket shelves and crackpots telling us on TV there is plenty of food…Personally London CT Publishing fully endorse the crackpots (only joking) at Dark Force Politricks to continue in their good works in producing extresmely contagious codes that others such as Poogle and Kamal crappists wish to prevent!!
Keep it dark Dude!
Yeah just put the lot up right wing NEO New World order crappists
The book clinton cash a must steal book…..or buy?? or borrow explains how richest man in ireland Dennis OBrien was recruited through the CIA and the clinton foundation
Publisher London CT Publishing.
Washington (CNN)The publisher of “Clinton Cash,” the book outlining the murky ties between the Clintons and the foreign governments that contributed to their various financial interests, reportedly corrected “seven or eight” inaccurate passages in an updated version this week.
“An updated version of your past Kindle purchase … is now available,” reads an email from publisher Harper Collins first reported by Politico. “The updated version contains the following changes: Significant revisions have been made.”
When news of — titled “Clinton Cash: The Untold Story of How and Why Foreign Governments and Businesses Helped Make Bill and Hillary Rich” — broke, Republicans pounced on what was reported as a blueprint for attacks on the Clintons’ moneymaking empire. But the revisions are certain to give Clinton backers ammunition in their efforts to discredit the book.
What Dear Julian forgot to explain….ah well….I guess if hed paid more attention to what we published than getting involved with vault7 hed still be here today…and those diaries he was flogging off on the side
Complete with Mr Assange’s fingerprint and his hand-written WikiLeaks’ slogan ‘Courage Is Contagious’, an abbreviated version of the famous Billy Graham quote.
The cable is currently at £2,100 – but buyers can avoid the bidding war as the deadline draws near by buying it now for £21,000.
The current auction items reach their respective deadlines on Thursday.
Mr Assange remains under house arrest at the 650-acre Ellingham Hall estate while he fights extradition to Sweden. He denies charges of sexual misconduct with two women in Stockholm.
Assange, 43, has been living in the Embassy since June 2012, fighting extradition to Sweden where he is wanted for questioning regarding allegations of sexual misconduct, and has continued to faciliate the leaking of documents in spite of being a wanted man and having to deal with PayPal, Amazon, and a Swiss bank, PostFinance, blocking his funds.
Jeeez even Trump cant Blow off like that……these dark Force politricks people really know how to shit it out so to speak….
CRAP CRAP CRAP…Conspiracy Theory CRAP HEADS
Get a life.
Dont you mean lifes a bitch??
Anyone can write this conspiracy theory rhetoric,its like minecraft freaks tweeking off some old gits greese up!
ooooHHHH gettin off on his joystick
You are so right! Well said you.
Go on Ronc off you old fagash
Take your f-ing space ship and your Dr Moayyad Al Kamali with you
Here look Captain F-ing space ship man >>>>>>>>
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Mr Mohammed Al Kamali Active
Correspondence address
32 Woodstock Grove, Shepherds Bush, London, United Kingdom, W12 8LE
Notified on
16 January 2019
Date of birth
March 1957
Nationality
British
Nature of control
Ownership of shares – More than 25% but not more than 50%
Ownership of voting rights – More than 25% but not more than 50%
Country of residence
United Kingdom
Moayyad Al Kamali Active
Correspondence address
32 Woodstock Grove, Shepherds Bush, London, United Kingdom, W12 8LE
Notified on
16 January 2019
Date of birth
April 1967
Nationality
Irish
Nature of control
Ownership of shares – More than 25% but not more than 50%
Ownership of voting rights – More than 25% but not more than 50%
Country of residence
United Kingdom
Mr Majed Al Kamali Active
Correspondence address
49-51 Leinster Squre, Leinster Square, London, England, W2 4PU
Notified on
9 January 2017
Date of birth
November 1964
Nationality
Irish
Nature of control
Ownership of shares – More than 25% but not more than 50%
Ownership of voting rights – More than 25% but not more than 50%
Whats some F-arse F-ing Doctor doing owning an hotel next to the Fing Russian Embassy
SEE ANY FER CAN WRITE CONSPIRACY THEORIES!
Wedgewood Hotel | 49-51 Leinster Square, Westminster …
ORDER,ORDER,ORDER in the house just because the Intelligence agent has millions in the bank and was struck off the medical register in the UK now hiding and lieing in Ireland doesnt make him guilty of medical fraud in my court ORDER ORDER ORDER
jeeeeeeezzzz looks like Dr Moayadd Al Kamali or who ever he is is really in the shit! Wonder what the Russians have to say?
Regulating AND Promoting isn’t solely the charter of the NRC.It also isn’t impossible either.
The FAA has been doing this for decades with success. It is chartered with both simultaneously regulating and promoting aviation.
it can be done, although it is a difficult line to walk. Surely we can promote aviation and keep it safe at the same time. The same should be possible for Nuclear Energy.
Where else have we seen this obstructive slow roll of information in our government agencies?
Gosh, there’s a whole list of lawsuits to obtain information under the FOIA that government agencies just ignore.
This is common as dirt. Perhaps the highest profile example was the State Department coming up with Zero Benghazi documents during Hillary’s tenure as SoS. That’s how we (eventually) found out about the improper email server that had hundreds of instances of classified information — some of it from the highest security classifications.
And then there’s the obstructive slow roll of information out of the FBI about the counterintelligence investigations….
The obstructive slow roll of information is used because these government agencies HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE.
The study findings has serious implications as it means that the coronavirus is indeed evolving smartly and it is even far more potent and dangerous to the human body and we might start seeing newer and deadly clinical manifestations which is already being witnessed and also it could indicate that in communities with asymptomatic patients and also in recovered patients, the coronavirus is still evolving and becoming more lethal and its only when it would manifest chronic symptoms.
Also, it is most likely that here will be no successful vaccine ever developed that can stop the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus. Despite all the publicity and lies, it is impossible for a vaccine to be developed for a virus that has more complicated and far more potent attributes than the HIV virus, which for the last 30 year have yet to have a successful vaccine developed.
GOOD KNIGHT MR BOND!!
Medical researchers and governments should stop selling dreams to the public
RE: “The study findings” Which study?
Go to Dark Politricks site they have been around for at least decade >>scroll through the comments section of the latest Articles you will find london CT publishing >>>> OPEN YOUR MIND>>> theres alot of new reseacrh work therer for example Mike Pompeo ADMITTING CORONAVIRUS WAS MAN MADE WARNING THIS IS NO HOAX!!!!!!!!!!!! he went live on ABC news and London CT Publishing put the website up FIRST!!!!
JOB May 8, 2020 at 5:56 pm – Reply
TO HELL WITH ABC NEWS THEY TOOK IT DOWN FIND IT HERE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRea4yIE7_8
NOW RUN LIKE HELL WITH IT
MIKE POMPEO IN HIS OWN TONGUE STATING HE BELIEVES ITS A MAN MADE VIRUS >>> GO LISTEN FOR YOURSELVES
LONDON CT PUBLISHING !!!!!!!!!!!!
LOOK ITS HERE!!!! GO TO THEIR PAGE AND READ FOR YOURSELVES THE LINK BELOW TIME SCALE INTO VIDEO CLICK ON 5.52!!!!! YOU CAN HERE MIKE POMPEO FOR YOURSELF ITS MIND BLOWING HE SAYS WORD FOR WORD COVID_19 IS MAN MADE !!!! RIGHT F%%$5CKN THERE ….
Anonymous4 May 2020 at 07:58
“””””””””””DARK POLITRICKS WORLD EXCLUSIVE************
LONDON CT PUBLISHING “”””” THE FINA:L BREAKTHROUGH!!!!!!!!
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TIME LINE ON VIDEO 5;52 DO YOU BELIEVE THE VIRUS WAS MAN MADE OR GENETICALLY MODIFIED
MIKE POMPEO REPLIES : THE BEST EXPERTS BELIEVE IT WAS MAN MADE I HAVE NO REASON TO DISBELIEVE THAT AT THIS POINT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/pompeo-says-enormous-evidence-virus-came-from-wuhan-lab/ar-BB13xYQ9?OCID=ansmsnnews11
TO HELL WITH ABC NEWS THEY TOOK IT DOWN FIND IT HERE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRea4yIE7_8
NOW RUN LIKE HELL WITH IT
MIKE POMPEO IN HIS OWN TONGUE STATING HE BELIEVES ITS A MAN MADE VIRUS >>> GO LISTEN FOR YOURSELVES
LONDON CT PUBLISHING !!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW RUN RON WE BONT LIE !!
You know the BANTRY RON
BRONTE AWAY
Jane Eyre. It was accepted and published on 19 October 1
you know the score street Eyre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yohoo hit US and they hita u
SPY 4 NOW !!!!!!!!!
https://archive.org/details/dark-politricks_202005/mode/2up
READ THIS AND WISE UP!!!!!!
Interesting article on espionage in Ireland and uk……Dig Deep!!
Jukian Assanfe learnt life the hard way…
Wikifreaks cant loose either!!
https://b6.icdn.ru/z/zzzz121212/2/67571392JjW.jpg
Wikispooks have been around for years,they have produced Wikifreaks – The Dedman Files,everything from COVID -19 to the Russian invasion (which is really happening in the UK),spys,bent cops,mafia,IRA,KGB,and of course names that are traceable,a real MOB Obituary on how to bring the British Government down without being shot,arrested or deported!….in times like these…
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Wikifreaks
Wikifreaks – Kieran Conway GSOC MI6
https://www.agescimarche.it/search/?q=kieran+conway
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Sure, it’s a man-made virus, uh-huh. It is more clumped, less spread by distance, more easily filtered, more susceptible to interferon. Nobody looked at the mortality of regular coronaviruses. Sure this is lasting longer than the flu season and it’s easily 10x more fatal than flu. But does it differ from other coronaviruses?
Key point is that conspiracies such as the one where the government lied about masks for the first month are due to fear and stupidity not evil and bright. They didn’t know that the virus clumped and the effective size of much of the transmission is in the visible droplet size and free virions don’t exist as such. So, stupid cloth with micron size holes.. works well enough.
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Months before this incident at another Nuclear plant, similar conditions were observed. Fortunately, an engineer was available there that knew what to do when the conditions occurred…and the action was contrary to what the procedures stated. This information was not communicated to three Mile Island, and thus they followed procedure and experienced the disaster.
Now Nuclear Plants share knowledge such as this daily with each other throughout the United States. And the Three Mile Island situation is used as a teaching tool. It is said (by the person in charge of Advanced Reactor Design at a National Lab…who I know personally) that if Three Mile Island had not occurred along with its negative publicity, we would have Nuclear Fusion Funding and Research progress by now that would have provided functioning Fusion reactors that would provide electricity at an extremely low cost all through the United States. Ubiquitous electrical power. Something to think about.
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