This is the first of two 2020 predictions concerning COVID-19, the so-called coronavirus. This column will cover short-term impacts while my next column will cover longer-term changes that were probably going to happen anyway but are already being accelerated by the current health crisis.
NOT business as usual…
No, I’m not a doctor or an epidemiologist, but I’m also not an idiot. And as a non-idiot, I can confidently predict the significant short-term economic, social, and political impacts of COVID-19 on my global readership. The far more significant longer-term effects will be covered in my next column. Short-term, COVID-19 feels remarkably like 9/11, which wasn’t a health crisis in any sense, but it was an abrupt disruption in everyday life for Americans. Except in the case of COVID-19, it’s like 9/11 for the entire developed world.
For readers who are too young to remember 9/11 or weren’t affected by it, the destruction of the twin towers in New York and the attack on the Pentagon in Northern Virginia led to an instant end to air travel in the USA. Travelers were stranded and had to find a different way home, renting cars or taking trains or buses instead of airplanes. The airlines were devastated. Even more importantly, business travel — and business events — were crushed for many months.
At the time of 9/11, I was making my living primarily through public speaking, doing an average of two business events per month. I was also working with a startup called Round One, founded by my friend Jamie Cohan, brother of business journalist William Cohan. The prospects for Round One were great on 9/10, but by 9/12 Round One was out of business because the startup’s primary funder was the company that insured the World Trade Center.
The 9/11 crisis led to hundreds of large business events being canceled in the USA. I went from speaking twice per month to twice per year — an 85 percent reduction in my speaking income.
We were already in a recession caused by the Dot-Com economic bubble bursting in March 2001, but 9/11 was definitely an extra hit to any travel-related businesses or activities. The 2001 recession lasted for two years and economists say it was extended by at least two months due to the terrorist effects.
Then, just as we were finally recovering from the combined Dot-Com-9/11 recession, along came the SARS crisis — another coronavirus that provides useful data for predicting the impact of COVID-19. SARS was more deadly than COVID-19, but affected far fewer people (more deadly but less infectious), leading to only 774 global deaths — far less than the 2,810 COVID-19 deaths as of this morning.
What SARS teaches us…
The economic impact of the SARS epidemic was estimated at $54 billion, mainly in 2003, which was just a negative blip in global GDP at a time when the world was mainly coming out of recession.
SARS and 9/11 history suggest that the direct economic impact of COVID-19 will probably last one or two years. The Chinese economy is right now four times the size it was in 2003 and the world manufacturing economy is much more highly integrated and dependent on China, so the impact of COVID-19 will likely dwarf that of SARS. Where SARS cost $54 billion, COVID-19 will likely cost at least $1 trillion before it is finished, which sounds like a lot but is actually relatively modest for a $90 trillion global economy. Expect a one percent cut in global GDP growth.
There may not be a recession at all in the United States, because this is a Presidential election year and President Trump will likely do anything and everything he can to goose the economy to ensure his re-election. It’s going to get crazy.
So there will be economic impacts, mitigated by extreme (possibly even illegal) coping strategies that will, in turn, lead to further economic impacts after the election.
If there isn’t a recession in 2020, there absolutely will be one in 2021.
The last U.S. President who beat pre-election economic performance out of the Federal Reserve to ensure his re-election was Richard Nixon back when Arthur Burns was Fed chairman. That ill-advised gambit is generally held responsible by economists for the bear market in stocks that lasted for most of the 1970s.
But first there was the Spanish Flu…
The Mac Daddy of pandemics was the Spanish Flu from 1918-1920, which killed 40 million people worldwide. Three percent of the world’s population died of flu in those three years. The mortality rate of COVID-19 and the Spanish Flu seem to be about the same (half that of SARS), but pretty much nothing was done to combat Spanish Flu, while today we have a century of epidemiological progress and an ability to create vaccines that simply didn’t exist back then. So the global health impact of COVID-19 is likely to be much less than that of the Spanish Flu.
But the global economic impact of COVID-19 may be greater. The Spanish Flu actually lead to an increase in per capita income in the 1920s, mainly caused by a reduced labor supply. With automation today that’s likely not to be the case with this economic crisis. More on this in my next column.
So 2020 will not be a good year for airlines, hotels, cruises, and large business meetings, but these economic effects will be mitigated somewhat by heroic/insane government efforts in the USA.
Prediction: Mineserver and Crookely will suck like COVID-19.
Whoops, that one already came true.
Quite possibly, the most horrific thing in a person’s life is when they discover their parents are human.
The next most horrific thing is when they discover themselves as human.
Congratulations!
You caught Bob being human.
And you’ve been beating him up for it ever since.
“You caught Bob being human. And you’ve been beating him up for it ever since.”
It’s not about Crookely being human (aka fallible), it’s about what he does when he displays his humanity. Kids, when they mess up, try to hide it or deny it or do anything but admit their mistake. Adults, on the other hand, acknowledge their failures and attempt to correct them or, at the very least, atone for them. Crookely has done neither, instead choosing to act like a child — ignoring the problem, denying it, passing the blame — doing everything one *shouldn’t* do if one wants to treated as an adult, let alone as someone whose opinions are worth hearing.
RE: “most horrific thing”.is perhaps a slight exaggeration. We’re all human, with varying degrees of goodness, badness, and fallibility. I can think of an unlimited number of things more horrific than being human.
Fair enough.
But I’ve spent my entire “adult” life avoiding people who claim to speak with the voice of moral authority.
Many believe their interpretation of morality is “one size fits all.”
Based on what I’ve read of your writing, Roger, you are deeply offended by the immorality of Bob’s behavior.
I don’t think you can explain it enough to cause a real change in anyone’s behavior.
I’ve noticed anytime anyone says they “get” it, you claim they don’t and explain it all over again.
I’m sorry Bob hurt your feelings.
But turning into a nudzh really isn’t going to make you feel better. If you prefer to wallow in it, feel free.
And calling him Crookely reminds me of Donald Trump bloviating on Crooked Hillary.
Ronc, only slightly?
Shit happens. Suck it up and quit being a whining pussy.
Prediction: More people will complain about Bob making predictions in the health/medical space and wonder why he refuses to return to tech.
If Trump was organised in any way, he might be able to prevent a recession before the election. But surrounded by incompetents as he is….. (and he appointed them!)
the opportunities to telework for office types are much greater, so the shuffle-and-crow segment of the economy won’t be directly affected.
it’s a different story if you fabricate, assemble, weld, machine, repair, or ship tangible items. we have notable impact now, as in no deliveries of critical parts or assemblies due to China quarantines. the “stuff” economy will take the direct hit. which reduces the need for shuffle-and-crow workers. if any of them can get to the office in this city or that. this is why the DJIA went down briefly 10%, and will again. which explains why our bigly president* had his long, rambling, off-kilter presser on Wednesday.
right now, it’s wait and see, life feels normal if you are cleaning the factory floor instead of assembling cars or safety rails for rooftops.
Imagine a full grown adult male whining like a pussy over a GAME SERVER? Grow a pair and move on.
As example of how events can propagate across our hyper-connected world:
https://wolfstreet.com/2020/02/27/how-a-coronavirus-case-in-korea-instantly-hit-a-small-business-in-the-us/
I’m one of the backers of a Kickstarter project producing a novelty multi-tool. The project creator is in the UK (I am in the US). Delivery has been delayed for months because the product was manufactured in China, but due to the protests in Hong Kong, the Chinese authorities were blocking export of any product with a blade, fearing weapons going to Hong Kong protesters. The situation is still playing out.
Welcome to the global village.
Time to update your name calling library; You sound like a 20th century caveman. Why you mad, bro?
And just like that, Bob’s Reply feature (that he fixed in the last post) isn’t working again. Was fun while it lasted…
I didn’t fix it in the last post, I said that I would fix it. Jennie and I found that the comments came back to life if we turned-off the Yoast SEO plug-in, so we found an alternate plug-in that does the same job and installed it just this morning. Alas, as you’ve noticed it didn’t cure the original problem, so it’s again back to the drawing board. We’ll get this fixed with some additional effort, I’m sure. My host, WPEngines, had never heard of the problem and they run some of the biggest WordPress sites on the planet.
I mean, we’re already feeling the economic and social impact of COVID-19, so this is not a really bold prediction.
Meanwhile, the actual owners of all the Mach 2.2+ aircraft on the planet (Starfighters Aerospace) continue to exist as a company, despite Bob telling us that his company Eldorado Space had bought them all. How can we believe you about anything when you lied so blatantly about such a big thing, were proven wrong, and yet you refuse to admit it?
Correction – The steady state of human nature is arrogant self-righteous silliness.
“I didn’t fix it in the last post, I said that I would fix it.”
You’ve made a lot of empty promises, forgive me if I don’t hang on your every word. Maybe you can give Jennie your Kickstarter login so she can update those people? Someone else mentioned you also have an entire family who was involved in the project who may be able to do so. But hey, you feel free to work on fixing the reply feature that has been broken for 2-3 years, I’m not your mom.
This will be over fairly quickly. Employees with no sick leave will continue to go to work, in fact, mgmt will demand that they show up for their shifts guaranteeing everyone will be quickly exposed and the Darwinian process completes.
The death rates for Orthomyxoviridae flu and Coronaviridae flu appear to be about the same — around 3%. What is unclear so far is what the infection rates are. If Corona virus is more infectious, we’ve got trouble; if it isn’t, then it’s just a flu season with two different flus going on.
Every damn year the worldwide deaths from flu varies between about 250,000 in a mild year and 650,000 in a bad one. Every year. Every year the flus originate in the same way and from the same general area.
Progress? Again, I reiterate: Every year.
By the way, you don’t need to cough and/or sneeze to transmit viruses or bacteria. Assuming you have been infected, all you have to do is talk. This was established in 1906 courtesy of Dr. M.H. Gordon in an experiment conducted on behalf of the British Government that deserves to be better known than it is.
Bob: Very glad you’re back, if I’ve failed to mention it previously.
After reading this I’m not at all interested in Cringely’s analysis. Firstly, topics like 9/11 and the Dot Com bubble and name dropping and prosperity lectures get in the way, and SARS and flu are static. I am also not American and do not live in America. Nor am I interested in what amounts a big bold screaming headline amounting to nothing more than expert and citation free puffery with a tune in next week comment. It’s a particularly disappointing article and several steps backwards on the previous article given all the issues which have been raised in criticism.
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I already know about immune system responses and virus mutations and infection spreading formulas from other sources. Different countries have different governance systems and travel arrangements and responses as well as different healthcare system capacities and I’ve been keeping my eye on this too. Ditto national food and esssentials production capabilities and capacities, and security and supply chain issues. I’m not as well prepared for self-isolation and survival as I should be but neither is there reason to panic. Cringely’s content on this? Completely lacking. So much for saving lives.
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As an escort this situation is extremely annoying. I already keep an eye on hygiene and health issues both for myself and clients. I also take anti-infection precautions with makeup kit, frequent as-necessary anti-bacterial handwashing, keeping surfaces hygenically clean, and avoiding cross contamination. If I catch a cold or anything like this I take time off which can be expensive. (I know men lose their minds when they want to experience my offerings but this is not the point.) Life and business goes on but the second there is an actionable risk I’m going to have to shut down until the all clear. I would say all as makes no odds of my clients are in “low risk of contamination” categories. Less than a handful of clients are in “at risk” categories. Overall I’m not worried and am not worrying. When the data changes I’ll give myself another holiday and busy myself in other ways.
“Imagine a full grown adult male whining like a pussy over a GAME SERVER? Grow a pair and move on.”
Wow, so much wrong with that. Given that a woman’s vagina is able to control most men and is fully capable of destroying them, I certainly don’t mind being compared to one. As for “growing a pair”, well, if what you mean is that I should exhibit fortitude and courage, I think that commenting knowing full well that anonymous trolls will clap back fulfills that. Perhaps you should take your own advice and post with your real name and information that will lead to your true identity?
As for a “GAME SERVER” (I’m sorry, I couldn’t hear you — what did you say?), if you bothered to do the barest minimum of research, you’d know that the issue of a game server is long gone. The problem now is that someone is trying to pad their resume, if you will, based on their willful failure. Consider if someone took over as CEO of a company, ran it into the ground, and then went around bragging that they were CEO all while hoping no one notices what they actually did.
Lastly, your comment was childish and crude. It does me no harm but severely tarnishes your reputation. Of course, since you didn’t have the cojones to post using your real name, you can disappear back under your virtual bridge to troll again another day.
“Consider if someone took over as CEO of a company, ran it into the ground, and then went around bragging that they were CEO all while hoping no one notices what they actually did.”
She just announced her retirement from IBM.
Jeffery Skilling.
Kenneth Lay.
Accounting firm Arthur Anderson was complicit as well.
Bernard Ebbers. John W. Sidgmore.
Lehman Brothers. Ernst &Young.
Google CEO scandals.
And the hits just keep on comin’ !
https://list25.com/25-biggest-corporate-scandals-ever/
Meanwhile, it is clear that Crookely is reading these comments but the that one he chooses to respond to is about comment replies. Talk about a coward…
He’s complained about the pitchforks and torches hampering his ability to find investors and other work. To that I say bravo. That’s the point — so that, going forward, other people won’t get screwed.
Roger, you are seriously unhinged, get the fuck over it. You have been banned from editing Bobs Wikipedia entry, take that as a hint to get over it
@Michael Cunt It’s cute that you think Roger is the only one harnessing a pitchfork. You’re on the losing side of history, Mikey. Go back to playing with your toys, the adults are talking.
Ultimately, the Wikipedia article on Cringely is not that important. No potential investor is ever going to check that page, see the lack of a Mineserver scandal entry, and go: “Oh! Clearly Bob Cringely is completely trustworthy and has never lied to anyone.” No, they’re going to go straight to cringely.com, and see tons of people in the comments talking about the scandal, forever.
You may be able to “win” a Wikipedia edit war (at least temporarily) with the help of a disinterested editor, but you can’t cover up the truth. It’s too late. It’s already out there.
> You have been banned from editing Bobs Wikipedia entry
Really? That’s hilarious.
Well over half of the deaths attributed to the “Spanish Flu” were actually aspirin overdose.
@Roger: “Consider if someone took over as CEO of a company, ran it into the ground, and then went around bragging that they were CEO all while hoping no one notices what they actually did.”
That reminds me of the last CEO of Commodore International, Mehdi Ali, who (for a few years at least) maintained a professional resume that said he was responsible for a “major operational turnaround” at the company. I guess that was true, in a sense. He joined the company when it was a billion-dollar operation and turned it around until it was a bankrupt one.
I’m still researching the whole Mineserver saga and there are lots of little holes and lies in the tale that was told through the Kickstarter updates. Perhaps that’s why Bob cannot update that site anymore. It’s too easy to read the entire record and see what is real and what is fiction.
Of course, all of this could be solved by just posting the truth. Bob could just say that he underestimated the amount of money and time it would take, and admit that he cannot ever finish the project. And apologize. He kind of did that, on his own blog, but then doubled-down and said that he was going to make Mineserver a startup and find investors and make it a real business. But he didn’t have to blame the “Mineserver jihad” for making that an impossibility.
Investors aren’t stupid. They can do Google searches, and can read. At some level Bob knows this, which is why he blames the “jihad” for all his problems.
But investors also say that they invest more in the person than the technology or the pitch. At Y Combinator, for example, they invest in companies that might pivot before they even start working on their project. It’s about the people, not the technology.
And one thing you never do is invest in someone who has been shown to lie to their customers.
“So 2020 will not be a good year for airlines, hotels, cruises, and large business meetings.”
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Water will still be wet, sun will rise in the East, etc.
Oh boo hoo Roger Sinasohn, poor wittle baby lost a rather small amount of money in an investment – news flash, not every investment turns out and if you’re not man enough to accept that you gambled and lost (all investing is gambling) don’t invest. It would also be nice if you’d quit crapping up the comments with your constant mewling about this. You complain about losing, what was it, like $100? Bob lost his home and almost everything he has – talk about an entitled crybaby (you). I feel sorry for all the people in your life, I’m sure it’s awful knowing you.
Again, you made an investment and it didn’t turn out. Most investments don’t turn out, but raising this big of a stink about losing $100 years ago is just sad. You obviously aren’t built for risk, so just play it safe – invest in Treasury notes, and leave the rest of us out of your sadness.
On topic – this is probably the least risky prediction Bob has ever made – it’s up there with such chestnuts as, “the sun will come up, tomorrow,” and “Trump will do/say something astonishingly stupid, then lie about it.” C’mon Bob, put a little more effort in!
Ouch that hurts.
😂😂😂😂😂
Well, I’ve mashed to throw you all in a right fit. How funny.
As far as doing something stupid? Get a life?!
90 percent of what you hear is false! Too bad the 💁♀️ knows computers. Whoopsieee
@Mark — Way to jump on the bandwagon without knowing what you’re talking about. Take a look at my Kickstarter profile — I’ve backed hundreds of projects and the Mineserver is definitely not the biggest loss I’ve suffered. But you’re not interested in the facts, are you?
(Side note: no last name — could it be your last name is Stephens?)
But, on the off chance you’re not a complete idiot, here are a couple of points you missed: 1) Yes, $100 is a minuscule amount of money, hardly worth worrying about. 2) Most backers aren’t interested in recouping their money at this point and don’t really care about the Mineserver either. What they want is a bit of accountability from Crookely — an explanation, some closure and perhaps even an apology (or at least a mea culpa.) 3) As has been said *many* times, the *only* reason any of the Mineserver backers post here is because this is the only place Crookely posts, Mineserver or otherwise. If he would post about Mineserver stuff on the Kickstarter site instead of here, his backers would stay there. Heck, he could simply copy-and-paste from here to there and be done with it. But he doesn’t I’m not sure if it’s because he’s an idiot, a coward, or wants to generate traffic/comments here by only posting here.
Note that if someone goes to the main page of this site and looks at the articles and sees lots of comments, they might assume that he generates a lot of discussion about whatever he’s talking about. If they didn’t bother to read the comments, they perhaps wouldn’t know what’s going on and what’s really generating those comments. I could see Bob thinking that that would be good for business, maybe.
@Jeremy — I would hope investors would do their due diligence but don’t discount observation attributed to P.T. Barnum’s about suckers.
I do wonder why you think complaining so much will do. The equipment was damaged in a fire, the house was insured as residential not business so they didn’t recoup the money. There’s the whole story. You can rest now.
What does this have to do with the plague anyways?
@Lisa A:
Actually, this is where you are incorrect. That is NOT the whole story. There is the part of the story that many of us still care about where Bob has left the majority of the Kickstarter backers in the dark, leaving them with this message:
“Toward this end of shipping the week after next we’ll shortly send out a new survey to verify delivery addresses and — most importantly — T-shirt sizes.”
So the story is not over (and will not be over for many of us) until Bob does his due diligence and updates the Kickstarter site with a final comment that the project is dead. Instead, he continues to post here (which the backers don’t see unless they know to come here); If you look at the comments section of the Kickstarter, most have no idea what is going on or are confused why Bob is posting updates here rather than on Kickstarter.
And that’s “victory” for you is it?
Pathetic, grow up and move on
Yes, a bit of justice for those without a voice would be a victory for me. Something a shallow person like you wouldn’t understand.
And not only does Bob not go to the Kickstarter site to admit that the project is dead, but he refuses to even admit that it could possibly be dead! He’s always saying that it’s still happening.
Maybe you should read the whole story.
I mean, that’s what Bob says happened. But he seems unable to say it in the Kickstarter forums, where he is supposed to say it.
Why is that, do you think?
If you want a response from someone, be nice. Maybe read “How to Win Friends and Influence People” by Dale Carnegie.
If you want your righteous tone to be heard, no matter what, then you are sacrificing the chance to have yourself taken seriously. You look bad, and you make your side look bad. Don’t expect anyone to treat you any nicer than you are treating others.
Ask politely. Maybe link your six chapter ramble and ask if he has anything to add or is that enough? Don’t bring the vitriol where it’s not welcome.
“Be nice”? Seriously?
That’s your recommendation to magically fix four years of ghosting and gaslighting?
Nobody here is seriously entertaining the possibility of Bob ever responding to the Kickstarter. They are just venting their frustrations. You can hardly blame them.
There’s also zero chance that Cringely will ever reply to my “six chapter ramble”. There’s no way to refute it. It’s all Bob’s own words and deeds.
What do you expect to win, by making yourself look bad here? You can vent on your own forum, and won’t look bad.
We all get it, he didn’t give you what he promised. He signal boosted his sons’ kickstarter, which never delivered. You will attack him forever. And because you don’t know how to do it without making yourself look bad, we will attack you forever. Notice that I attack you with less name calling? That makes me look like the good guy, and you the bad guy. It’s my angle. You need to think about yours.
I mean, if you wanted to you could make it into something. I watch well researched kickstarter failure videos on youtube. But you come onto his website to vent, it makes you look worse than a broken promise.
Lisa, nobody expects to “win” anything here. People are just venting. It’s Bob’s site and he can allow or disallow comments or moderate them however he pleases.
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My theory is that Bob allows them because he loves the attention, because he is a narcissist. So even though people are attacking him, it’s still a form of attention, and it makes him feel more important than he really is.
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If Bob simply went on Kickstarter and apologized and said that the project was dead, all this would stop. And people would probably stop coming to his blog as well, because there would be no more interesting things to read there.
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Except maybe trashtalk’s posts.
I mean, look at Bob’s recent actions. The only thing he replied to recently, or did, was to fix the “Reply” feature to re-enable threaded comments. Why? Because threaded comments encourage more people to comment and continue commenting, which ups the total number of comments, and higher numbers mean Bob is more popular and therefore better.
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And we all fell for it.
Corona virus disease 2019 (COVID-19)
27th February 2019 20:00 GMT 15:00 ET
worldwide cases :
Infected 82,758
dead 2,817
recovered 33,350
total world population as of April 2019 = 7,7 billion
What is problem with you people ? Just relax. You have more chance to be dead in your car tomorrow morning driving to work than be dead from COVID-19.
“A virus (for example SARS, or smallpox) typically will spread exponentially at first, if no artificial immunization is available. Each infected person can infect multiple new people.”
–https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth
I know all about that. I had medicine in college and my professor was a man who was head doctor in charge of all medical staff for national team in the 1960 Summer Olympic Games in Rome.
When I was 14 one Sunday I got very sick my parents took me to emergency room an doctor there decided I was danger to public health and they put me in quarantine center which was small 2 story building about 300 feet from the main hospital. There was only one door to enter and exit and it could be open only from outside by doctors and nurses with master key, security guard in the front 24/7. First few days you are basically in solitary confinement and later you can interact with patient with similar symptoms. Nurses bring you medication and they don’t leave until you swallow it and for some reason they always check trash can before they leave. First thing they took my clothes and I never got it back (they probably burnt it) and when my mom wanted to send me some clothes books and toys answer was hell no. I was there 10 days and later next 2 weeks I had to report to my local doctor once a week just to be sure symptoms were not back.
I have nothing about reaction to something – I have against overreaction.
Government is big slow and lazy but when they move with force and knowledgeable people they are just brutally efficient so there is just no reason for panic. Those pictures of empty supermarket shelves in Italy are just sad to see. There is no reason to walk around in masks if there are no known cases reported around.
This is just extreme case of flu. When you remove too old people (80+) advanced cancer patients who would be dead any way soon and toddlers and infants with not yet developed immune system mortality rate is not that a problem. You have pretty good chances for recovery.
All these measures governments are taking are right way to do it and it is as much about preventing panic as is with preventing disease from spreading.
https://ncov2019.live
This web page Coronavirus Dashboard gives the latest statistics and information about Corona virus disease 2019 (COVID-19). It is maintained by 17 year old Avi Schiffmann from Seattle WA and is refreshed every 10 minutes.
Name above should be wwwpirate – sorry
@wwwpirate so that’s a 3.4% mortality rate. Nothing to worry about.
What the fuck — I’m sitting here reading about the old Amiga computer and it’s written by one Jeremy Reimer. This is exceptionally well done, Jeremy.
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https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/01/a-history-of-the-amiga-part-10-the-downfall-of-commodore/
Already watched 10Gs come out of my retirement in the last few days. Ugh.
@Granville Yea, that was me. I had a dream of being a computer historian, partly inspired by people like Cringely and Dvorak, and I was able to make that dream come true briefly at Ars Technica. The Amiga series was a passion project. I’m glad you’re enjoying it.
And Brian Bagnall.
Where’s your obit for Chuck Peddle?
Funny.
The only mention I can find of Brain Bagnall at Ars is in a posting by you.
And yet, I can’t parse a bibliography to find out if you gave him any credit.
The hospitals will quickly be overrun. Getting routine illnesses taken care of will be difficult and impossible in some cases.
The world has had a run of disasters each one more depressing than the next. It’s very difficult to feel excited or happy with the kind of tone set by the top. Very few policy makers pay attention to this. You can’t legislate for attitude. The biggest and most costly virus isn’t physical but those passed on by indoctrination and ignorance and repetition. Cultural inertia. Social conditioning. Memes.
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Which leading thinker cares about GDP anymore? It’s a nonsense measure which also leaves so many of the good things out. Even Woniak gets things like intuition and Universal Basic Income and creativity, given his recent interviews.
To Roger Sinasohn – some advice: grow up. Stop trolling every post with your boring damn Minecraft server crap. Apart from anything else, the constant whining is doing you no favors.
Delighted that the Wikipedia entry for Mineserver has been deleted by a senior editor and will not be returning. Roger has also been reported for spamming.
Seriously Roger, get a fucking grip
It’s super weird that you’re “delighted” about this, but it doesn’t really matter in the end.
People looking for information about Robert Cringely (if there are that many of them left) will see the controversy discussed on cringely.com. “Winning” a Wikipedia edit war won’t change that.
I’m okay with Roger keeping the Mineserver issue alive. It’s the most exciting thing on this blog. Speaking of which who thought up “Silicon Valley”? I mean, stop and think about it for one moment… Like, nobody has made a boob joke about it? It’s up for grabs.
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Emotional reactivity has been another thing which has been bigging me recently. Why are so many people reactive? Why does nobody actually stop to think through things?
@trashtalk: There is a big difference between silicon (which goes into microelectronis) and silicone (which goes into breast implants). Even so, I’ve heard jokes about “Silicone Valley” before; it’s a fairly obvious joke, so perhaps people feel like it’s too much of a low-hanging fruit. Also, emotional reactivity is nothing new; people have been that way for thousands of years. A human being is not naturally inclined, when attacked or otherwise frightened, to pause and think “Hmm, that’s interesting. Why is this happening and how should I react to it?” Perhaps that kind of reaction to an immediate threat hasn’t really an evolutionary advantage throughout human history.
The rubes who wander into the comments ranting about Roger and Mineserver are maybe the last great running gag in these parts.
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Jeremy – you should definitely keep it up, aside from people with nostalgia for the machines of their youth there’s a whole different group that is just kinda interested in obsolete technology. (In music, for instance, the era of almost limitless digital possibilities has coincided with a golden age of cheap hardware, much of it inspired by or outright clones of early ’80s synths and machines.)
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In this era of crowdfunding it’s probably even more lucrative writing these for yourself than it would be writing for a publisher.
A lot of your people that comment are like Trump supporters. They don’t see what’s really being said.
“A lot of your people that comment are like Trump supporters. They don’t see what’s really being said.”
Our biggest mistake is we keep trying to explain things to them, only for it to fall on deaf ears. We’re only wasting our own time, I imagine.
I was just using Trump as an example. I was referring to the people making comment here!
@Jenny L.: I often hear this perspective, and perhaps you’re right, but the question is: What do we do if discussions and negotiations are hopeless? What happens when there is a fundamental disagreement between two groups and they consider discussions to be a waste of time? When people disagree, is war our only recourse?
@granville, I’ve had a pretty good run of writing computer history articles for Ars Technica, and they’ve paid me fairly and well. My most successful article was about the history of IBM and OS/2, in which I used some of the interviews in Triumph of the Nerds as a starting point, combined with extra research and my own personal experience with the product.
It is possible to go independent and use Patreon as a funding source. One person who has done that successfully is Jimmy Maher, who has written (and continues to write) an extensive history of computer games at his site The Digital Antiquarian. At times I’ve considered following the same model.
However, I’m trying to concentrate on fiction writing these days, which is a much harder slog. Going down the rabbit hole of investigating Bob’s lies about Eldorado Space has reinvigorated my old computer history desires, however, so who knows? Maybe I’ll pivot back at some point.
In the mean time, I’m starting to write up my post-mortem of the Mineserver project. When it’s finished, I’ll post a link to it here.
I’ve read that article; I enjoyed that article.
But Bob might take action against you for using Triumph of the Nerds as a starting point. Something about derivative works. Did you think to get clearances before proceeding?
Interesting comment. “Concentrating on fiction”
Organizing the chaos of reality into an understandable narrative is an act of fiction.
Reading these narratives is an act of rewriting and corrupting raw memory.
Mulling over actual events, in effect, turns memory of the event into a memory of a memory of an event.
Good luck.
@Jeremy — I’m sure you’re familiar with the Vintage Computer Festival and the Vintage Computer Federation (vcfed.org)? There is a lot of interest these days in computer history. I’m sure you don’t need them, but if you need introductions or pointers, let me know.
@Tom — “To Roger Sinasohn – some advice: grow up. Stop trolling every post with your boring damn Minecraft server crap. Apart from anything else, the constant whining is doing you no favors.”
I ask for no favors. Nonetheless, let’s consider your premise. Are my comments hurting my reputation/chances of success? Well, given that there are very few people whose opinion of me matters one whit, that doesn’t seem relevant. My kids don’t read this blog. Nor does my wife. None of my coworkers do but, if they did, they’d all be like “Yep, that’s Roger.” Future employers? It seems unlikely that any of them will care about what I write here; if they do, that’s not a place I’d want to work. So, while my comments may do me no favors, they also do me no harm.
As for growing up, sadly, been there done that, so long ago I barely remember it. Given that, at my age, I’ll likely be back in diapers soon, I don’t see any reason not to enjoy a second childhood.
Now, one could argue that one should help one’s fellow man as much as possible and that that might include not “trolling every post with your boring damn Minecraft server crap”, but, as anyone (especially my kids) will tell you, I am not a nice person. So, sorry Charlie, it looks like you’re out of luck.
I would never mistake you for a nice person.
Nice people don’t spend much time signaling their virtue to everyone else.
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@Roger, I hadn’t heard about vcfed.org, so thanks for that link.
You know, for the longest time I also thought you were being a bit annoying by mentioning the Mineserver issue in every post of Bob’s. At the time, I hadn’t delved into the Mineserver controversy at all, and was just following Bob’s posts for their non-Mineserver content.
But now I understand where you are coming from. And I find myself sucked into the same weird Cringely vortex, where I can’t let the lies (in my case, about buying all the Mach 2.2+ aircraft in the world) go without an acknowledgement from Bob that will never come. It can get very frustrating!
Maybe we should set up a Cringely gaslighting support group. 🙂
@Jeremy “Maybe we should set up a Cringely gaslighting support group. 🙂”
Yes please. Where do I sign? *Offers blood signature*
Hey, Bozo!
Are you talking to yourself?
Tjhis is a reply to a reply
This is yet another reply, only this time I am using a different browser
Why would you think the browser would make a difference? It was a server-side issue. The reply code was missing the “?replytocom=70673” parameter before, and only had the anchor link that followed it. Obviously if you click on a page that’s a link to the same page with no parameters, it’s not going to do anything.
It’s not, actually.
Jennie and I are trying to fix this bug, Jeremy.
Yes, and I’m helping.
For free!
One more time!
It does look like it’s fixed. Hurray! Now all your problems are solved forever.
That would be impressive a month ago. I think you under estimated the damage. It’s hitting San Francisco right now along with Portland and Seattle. Your big tech Nexus. It could destroy the culture. Sure people will stay inside and use the internet. But big tech relies on ads and who pays if business sucks. Other big tech relies on China to make things. And it’s not just China. So now apple can’t make their things and they can’t go to work. 9-11 was mostly psychological. This is going to be real. Men your age will die in high numbers. It also hits tech with all their foreign workers. I developed a concern about that way back in 2003 when I thought I got sars. I was taking a class with Chinese students. They never diagnosed me but I’ve had bronchitis to some degree every year since. I thought it was from smoke, from fires. That’s another thing. That smoke. Your house burned down. Did you get lung damage? Good luck. Techs culture will go up in flames.
Roger Sinasohn, Wikipedia doesn’t exist for you to continue online feuds. I’ve reported you to Wikipedia for spamming.
Get, the fuck, over Mine Server
@Michael Cunt — Documenting a verifiable part of someone’s life/work in their Wikipedia entry is hardly an “online feud” nor is it spamming. I assume you’re the one who has repeatedly deleted the Mineserver section of Crookely’s biography.
The fact that something reflects poorly on someone is not grounds for omitting it from an unbiased (supposedly) biography. When Crookely writes his memoir, he’s free to omit whatever he’d like to; Wikipedia should include both the good and the bad. The elimination of what has become a significant part of Crookely’s legacy is effectively lying by omission.
You have questioned my sanity; if you knew me, you would know that I’ve not had any for a very long time. Yes, I’m a Weird Dude™. I would argue, however, that that’s not relevant here. As others have mentioned, you seem to be exhibiting some concerning behaviour yourself. At least I have a justification for holding Crookely’s feet to the fire, whether you think it justifies my actions or not; what’s your justification? Are you hoping for a job from Crookely? (“See, master, I deleted the mean things the bad man said about you! Did I do good for you?”)
If Crookely really wanted to end the Mineserver comments here, it would be easy enough to do. I always use my real name and e-mail address when I post comments; he could simply block it. If he did that, I would honor his decision and not post under a different name/e-mail address. (Not that he understands honor or anything.)
Alternatively, he could simply go to kickstarter.com, post an update there, and it would all be over. He considers himself a writer; it shouldn’t take him more than a 15 minutes. Maybe an hour if he really wants to do it right or if he’s a slow typist.
As for paranoia and obsession — Paranoia is defined as “a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system” according to google. I don’t think anyone’s out to get me. There’s a couple of guys I know who have Land Rover 130 Pulse Ambulances of whom I’m pretty jealous, but I think everyone would agree that that’s perfectly warranted. As for self-importance, believe me, I suffer from the opposite; a bit of melancholy caused by the awareness that, in the grand scheme of things, I am *not* important at all.
For obsession, well, some might agree with you there (I maintain that the first words each of my kids said was “Land Rover”; they just didn’t pronounce it correctly) but that’s not the case here.
As I have mentioned previously, I am a *very* fast typist and occasionally have periods of time at work where I’m waiting for a computer or client/coworker to finish something so I may drop in here and post something if I’m caught up on the webcomics I read.
In any case, frankly, I don’t give a fig what you think of me or my mental state. My wife puts up with me, my kids are stuck with me, and my bosses/clients haven’t noticed anything, so I’m all good. How about you?
Well Roger it has been explained to you on Wikipedia exactly why the mine server entry shouldn’t be on there and you have been asked by a senior editor to stop editing Bobs page.
I see you are now trying to continue your Jihad on the talk page like an autistic child. You are a wretched bore Roger, give it up
Actually, if you look at the Talk page on the WIkipedia, it seems like a lot of people are agreeing that the Mineserver section should be on there, but they are just waiting for a consensus on what it should look like before restoring it. Or am I just reading it incorrectly?
You are reading it incorrectly. It’s need removed due to undue weight and roger has been asked to stop editing it.
Hmm, that doesn’t make a lot of sense. Why would the claim to have a PhD from Stanford (which was something that happened years ago, and when called out on it, Cringely admitted to it and the whole issue was resolved forever) be not considered undue weight, and be allowed on the Wikipedia page for years, but an ongoing, unresolved scandal that has consumed the comment section of every one of Cringely’s blog posts for five years be considered so unduly weighty that it can’t be mentioned at all?
Oooh! Fair and balanced, is it?
Wikipedia exists to provide a consensus opinion on topics, including biographies of people. It seems to me that the Mineserver controversy is a fairly notable aspect of Robert Cringely’s life (it’s been going on for five years!), and as such would warrant inclusion in a biography.
Is anyone else worried about Roger? He’s exhibiting signs of severe mental illness. Paranoid and obsessed.
Roger, move on mate. You will be a better person for it
No, I don’t think Roger has exhibited any signs of mental illness. I would be more worried about Cringely’s mental state, considering his delusions of grandeur in pretending to have purchased all the Mach 2.2+ aircraft on the planet by posting a Photoshop of a plane he does not own with his logo on it.
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Of course, Bob could just be trolling us all, but it’s not clear what he gains by doing so.
Not even when he posted that entry about driving past Bobs house?
No, he was in the neighborhood anyway and he drove near the area where the house allegedly was. It wasn’t the action of a stalker or someone with mental problems. He didn’t attempt to find the house and enter it or anything like that.
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And he did confirm that the fires had not touched that neighborhood, but then clarified that the address may not necessarily have been Bob’s actual home–it could be a post office box or something. However other people used Google Maps to confirm that it was a real home and not a PO box.
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It still could be a fake address, which wouldn’t be unusual. Obviously doxxing is a problem in the age of the modern Internet. But we have to address the fact that WHOIS lookups are not some secret unknowable thing, and looking one up isn’t an act of doxxing necessarily.
Yeah, actually that kinda is the behavior of a stalker.
Roger isn’t a well man at all, paranoid and probably autistic. I wouldn’t feel comfortable with him knowing where I live.
That may be your opinion, but it doesn’t appear to be shared by many people. You seem to be more obsessed than Roger, actually, especially when you attack him personally. This behavior, combined with your user name, lends credence to the idea that you are merely a garden variety troll, not interested in serious discussion.
I’m okay with bringing up the mineserver issue. New readers need to know about cringely’s unethical behavior. It seems like he’s still trying to make a living off of low information investors. It is a public service to inform them that they may be dealing with someone who cannot be trusted.
@Mark Kirby, I agree with your conclusions. The actions of a few commentators in deleting the entire Mineserver controversy off of Cringely’s Wikipedia page seem like the actions of people who want to bury the truth in order to benefit Bob’s future prospects.
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What Roger (and indeed, all of the “Mineserver Jihad”) have been saying, for four straight years it should be noted, is that Bob should simply come clean about how the project is dead, be honest about why, apologize, and move on. That’s all. They aren’t demanding hardware and they aren’t demanding refunds. Just an acknowledgement of the truth.
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If Bob ever decided to do this, it wouldn’t mean the end of his career. Far from it. He could write a book about the whole fiasco and make money from that. He could advise other startups on what pitfalls to avoid, coming from his own personal experience. Indeed, he could become an expert on this topic, and be in high demand. And he could still write about the computer industry, leveraging his decades of experience in covering that as a journalist.
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If anything, Bob’s behavior in trying to sweep the whole Mineserver mess under the carpet is counter-productive. He is only hurting himself at this point.
First off, there isn’t much any President can do at this point to head off a recession. If it’s coming, it’s coming. There’s little the Fed can do, as interest rates are already incredibly low. The government could decide to increase public spending, but any real impact from that would be months or years out. So the idea that Trump is somehow going to do something (illegal, even) to save his election chances seems unlikely. Furthermore I’m not sure that he even needs to… I don’t think Americans will blame Trump for a nasty virus from China.
Second, I think you and many others are projecting a death rate for COVID-19 that is higher than what it will truly be. Right now 6.3% of all cases end in death, but there is a lot of bad data and a lot of known unknowns. In particular, how many people have Coronavirus and don’t know they have it. Of the 705 who were diagnosed onboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship, 400 of them didn’t have any symptoms. So far 7 have died of that 705, which means that at worst the death rate might be 1%. (Of course there are still active cases, so this number could change. It’s also important to recognize that cruise ships skew older, so the numbers might seem worse than they really are.)
Well, I spent far too much time digging in this Mineserver rabbit hole. I ended up with about 3800 words, but I tried to break it up with some pictures.
Here it is: The cost of lies: A Mineserver story.
Now, at least, instead of having to go and re-litigate all the events over and over again every time some idiot drops in the comments saying “GET OVER IT IT’S ONLY A STUPID GAME SERVER LOLZ”, we can just refer them to that one post.
@Jeremy Reimer what a great article. It’s a little mind boggling having our years of following this story put into one solitary timeline like that, but wow, you went and did it!
Sadly the haters likely will continue to hate and will not read that or claim you skewed the truth or left out important pieces, but it really does do a great job of outlining the whole tale, even some things I had forgotten about. Well done!
I’ll be sure to read this to my grandkids someday and we’ll all have a good laugh at mean old Cringely and his web of lies that eventually caught up to him.
@Alan, glad you liked it. It felt cathartic writing it.
@Jeremy Reimer — That was fantastic! Well done.
Jesus that’s well done. Even I forgot how quickly this thing turned into an afterthought for Cringely and how big the gaps in communication were when he was even bothering to communicate about it to his backers. I also would have sworn his bragging about having written “25 updates” was more recent rather than almost 3 full years ago. It has been nearly 1,000 days since Cringely reminded everyone of how prompt and forthcoming he is.
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Maybe the most bizarre part of this (and what hooked me in) was how many easy avenues for exit there have been for Cringely through this whole process. He could have written a book in less than a month (his last book on IBM consisted of a huge amount of cut and paste, don’t tell me he’s better than that), given free copies to his 400 Kickstarter investors and washed his hands of the whole thing for a couple grand, tops. Knowing his audience, less, as some would probably be fine with or even prefer an ebook. If he felt really generous, he could have finally delivered that t-shirt to his backers, with a humorous motto. Who wouldn’t smile and shrug at that?
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What it comes down to is LITERALLY ANY HONEST ACTION OR ACTIVITY WHATSOEVER would have ended this years ago. And the reason it didn’t was narcissism and a man’s fragile ego which has been consistently held together by decades of lies.
I had a few thoughts I wanted to post earlier but held back. Now Jeremy has published I’ll mention them. I’m miffed that Cningely keeps forgetting “Triumph of the Nerds” was a PBS and UK’s Channel 4 co-production. “Nerds 2.0” was also a PBS and Channel Four co-production but mention of Channel Four is erased from the main article of Wiki. Cringely also consistently fails to mention that “Steve Jobs: The Lost Interview” is based on this PBS and Channel Four footage and only refers to PBS. The Wiki article erases Channel Four completely.
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Back then the first I heard of “Robert X. Cringely” was this show. itwas a cool name. Only years later did I learn it was fake. This was probably the first of many disappointments. Learning he had hijacked it too was, well, a touch of scandal I hadn’t expected.
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Other than this it’s handy having a single account all in one place.
Thanks, trashtalk. I’ve added a reference to the UK’s Channel 4 to the story.
Yeah, on that note Bob, when will you be returning to tech?
Ted Bundy was ultimately convicted by a prosecutor who drew a chalk line on a blackboard. “This is all the men living in the United States.” “This is all the brunette men living in the US.” “This is all the brunette men living in the US within X miles of Washington State.” “This is all the brunette men living in the US within X miles of Washington who own VW Beetle cars.” And so on. Didn’t end well for Bundy.
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This, ultimately, is the accretive problem. It’s not just one questionable fact or stretched-past-credibility anecdote… it’s six, eight, an even dozen, all with conspicuously-similar flourishes. Establishes a pattern of (bad) behavior, and erodes even residual trust. Points in a single (deceitful) direction. Debtors (and killers) have been shut down in court for less.
Thanks, Jeremy. I’m sensitive to framing and erasure. History and culture is a bit of a foggy thing too. I find it worse as I get older. It’s like a web of connections and made worse because the more you know the more you know how and why things are said. Add different points of view from different people of different ages and different familiarity and different expertise and different social circles and ecosystems and where you begin and where you end can be very different places. Following on from QP this wall of crap grows and grows. At some point it has to be called out.
On the subject of erasure, every mention of Mineserver has been stripped from Crookely’s wikipedia page. Apparently, biographies of living persons must be all sweetness and light, hence the whitewashing of his page.
That’s simply not the case is it, Roger? As per the talk page on Bobs entry
Your crazed Jihad brings undue weight to the article and there is a clear conflict of interest in you continuing to undo edits which remove your rants.
You have had this explained to you by a senior editor and your response was to post a link to a blog (god knows what you thought that was going to do)
You don’t seem to understand what undue weight means and what Wikipedia is for.
You are a deeply disturbed individual Roger. Have a good long look at yourself.
Harry Bloom (aka Michael Cunt), I’ve read the Talk entry on the Wikipedia page, and it doesn’t seem to support the narrative you’re telling here. I don’t see the “senior editor” doing what you say they are doing. It seems like there is a legitimate discussion about how to include the Mineserver controversy on the page.
The “Controversy” section is pretty standard for biographies of living individuals on Wikipedia. For Cringely’s biography, there has (and still is) long been a section on Cringely claiming to have a PhD. from Stanford, whereas in fact he never got the PhD.
It seems odd to allow this controversy (which happened once, years ago, and was settled rather quickly) to stand, yet delete the entire section on Mineservers. The Mineserver controversy has now been going on for almost five years, and Cringely has not even come close to satisfying or concluding any part of it.
By any reasonable definition of a controversy, the Mineserver saga is a controversy. It’s not clear why you are hell-bent on a) deleting it, and b) engaging in personal attacks against the person who wrote it. I don’t think you are acting in good faith here.
@Harry Bloom And here you are claiming to be multiple people when you clearly are just the same person/voice and likely the person who also initially fought to remove it. Speaking of disturbed individuals, we all know why Roger has skin in the game, but what’s your play? Why are you so eager to seek Bob’s approval?
Regardless of your reasoning to impress, I’ll give you a news flash, he doesn’t care about you, or any of us. Good luck with whatever you’re looking for, as you’re not likely to find it.
How can an anonymous pseudonym seek approval from someone? How does that work, exactly?
It’s not clear, but then again it’s also not at all clear why you are behaving in the way you are.
You constantly accuse Roger of having various mental illnesses– could this be projection on your part?
Listen, kid.
I’ve worked with people with mental illnesses, obsessions, delusions etc and I can spot a cunt at 20 paces
If you spend 4 years spamming every forum, wiki and blog you can find about Bob, set up a website dedicated to Bob and admit to DRIVING PAST BOBS HOUSE all in the name of a $99 kickstarter campaign gone wrong, then you are either mentally ill or a cunt.
If you really had worked with people with mental illnesses, you wouldn’t be calling such people “cunts”. And you wouldn’t be making up multiple personas with profanity-laced names.
What’s more likely is that you’re projecting your own fears about your own mental state on to other people.
Answer me this: what is weirder, the obsession of a backer of a Kickstarter who points out the lies of the person who started the Kickstarter, or the obsession of the person who follows that backer around forever, yells at them, swears at them, accuses them of being mentally ill, deletes their Wikipedia edits, and makes multiple personas to do all this with?
Roger at least has an understandable reason for his behavior. What’s your story?
@Clive — “I’ve worked with people with mental illnesses, obsessions, delusions etc and I can spot a cunt at 20 paces”
As Jeremy noted, if that were true, you certainly wouldn’t be using such language. And thus, you have shown yourself to be someone not worth paying attention to.
That said…
“If you spend 4 years spamming every forum, wiki and blog you can find about Bob, set up a website dedicated to Bob and admit to DRIVING PAST BOBS HOUSE all in the name of a $99 kickstarter campaign gone wrong, then you are either mentally ill or a cunt.”
Has it been 4 years? Yeah, it has. Four years since Crookely updated his kickstarter project. Imagine that.
Every forum, wiki, and blog…. Really? I’ve commented here. I added a section to the Cringely wikipedia page as I felt — still feel — it is a notable part of his biography. Oh, and, yes, I’ve commented on the Mineserver Kickstarter project. That would hardly be *every*, would it? Although, you did qualify that with “about bob” so, since he’s mostly unknown/forgotten everywhere *except* here, his kickstarter, and wikipedia, maybe that does count as every one?
Yeah, I set up a web page (a single page; one can hardly call it a “site”); it was an interesting bit of coding to play around with date math. (There are undoubtedly simpler ways to do it but sometimes doing it the hard way is the point.)
And, yes, I was in the area near where Crookely lives, although I never did drive past his house. As I said at the time, it was a lovely day in some beautiful country and I was enjoying playing a little hooky from my kids. When I was growing up, there were two streets one could take to get to our house. My brother always wanted to take the one on the right, as it went past the house of a girl he had a crush on. As the two were the same distance, my folks generally humoured him. So, yeah, I enjoyed a nice drive in the country. I don’t know how close I was to Bob’s house, but I do know I was close enough to see that the area hadn’t burned.
Now, if you want to consider that mentally ill, well, go right ahead. Not that I trust your judgement one whit (see above).
But, let me point out that my mental condition does not absolve Crookely of his wrongdoing. That’s a logical fallacy called ad hominem: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
If Roger was being an idiot I would call him out. Jeremy makes a lot of good points and his article is good as far as it goes. The fact remains Cringely is a pundit and had side gigs where mostly Japanese businesses and other people had projects and ideas they ran to success or failure. His attempt to replicate this with a relatively small project failed.
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I personally would have built a prototype first and tested it then expanded functionality and polished later. Yes, I know project items can be done out of order and include stub functionality or proxies for demo purposes and provide a sense of accomplishment and something pretty to look at while you’re developing it but the basic model applies.
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If there is another Triumph of the Nerds in coronavirus Cringely is blowing it big time. He has or had a talent writing about recent history but no talent trying to get ahead and make history.
Yeah, this seems rather blindingly obvious after the fact, but the way to go about this project would be to buy a single board for $50 or whatever, get the software installed and tested, make sure everything works, then make a Kickstarter to fund the mass production enterprise.
But again, the criticism isn’t about the Kickstarter itself. If it failed, it failed. You get excited about something and you make mistakes. These things happen. The criticism is about Bob’s constant broken promises, lack of communication, failure to update the Kickstarter site since 2016, constant bombastic claims that turn out to be unsupported by reality, and the way he attacks his own supporters and blames them for his own failure.
I had never really followed the Mineserver story before. Digging into it like this uncovered a whole bunch of ugly lies that I never would have discovered if I hadn’t bothered to go down the rabbit hole. And I only did it because I was so completely perplexed at Bob for lying about buying all the Mach 2.2+ aircraft in the world.
Yes, Cringely forgot the lessons of Triumph of the Nerds and even Nerds 2.0 which was probably more of a comment on industry and monopolies and developing ecosystems than anything else.
Quite a long time ago now I tried getting people interested in console style modular systems with self-modifying FPGA circuitry. I even did an informal feasibility study with outline project management and some basic costings. I didn’t have the money to fund it and nobody was interested but it’s been interesting reading about big companies trying and failing to bring products to market 10-15 years later. There was mention last week of one company trying to bring FPGA style microcode processing to the market. There are other voices too calling for smarter software design at a similar fundamental level. The mix of both software and hardware self-modifying at a fundamental level for performance is really intriguing. It’s a really interesting subject area and a long long way on from the old days of operating systems in ROM and instant booting. Cringely is nowhere on this topic or one of maybe a dozen others.
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An escort client spotted my eGPU setup. I lost him when I told him about PCI buses over ExpressCard slots. (I didn’t get as far as discussing bandwidth and texture buffers, and direct output versus loopback.) I rarely play games or use anything which needs it so it lives in a cupboard. But then I lose clients when discussing the ins and outs of deep lace stockings versus anything else. One flash of leg and “Ooh la la” takes over.
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Sorry for the vent. I just wanted to get it out.
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Honestly, it makes a change to discuss things with people who get it and have energy.
Jeremy: “Yeah, this seems rather blindingly obvious after the fact, but the way to go about this project would be to buy a single board for $50 or whatever, get the software installed and tested, make sure everything works, then make a Kickstarter to fund the mass production enterprise”
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Cringely pretty much claimed this was the case, that the project was paid for and they were going to use Kickstarter itself just as “a sales channel.”
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I don’t even want to excerpt from this post, it’s fantastic. And nearly 5 years old:
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https://www.cringely.com/2015/05/13/the-kickstarter-paradox/
Wow, that article is something. It starts off oddly prescient, in a way Crookely never seems to quite get right with his actual predictions. “…crowdfunding failures quickly forgotten. … But it’s hardly a no-brainer, because a failed campaign can ruin your day and damage your career.”
Interestingly, he says his show Startup America is “better [than Shark Tank], because the show’s not just about the deal but also about the execution and the outcome.” Clearly, he doesn’t get that what made (would have made?) his show better than another is exactly what his backers on Kickstarter were after.
Lastly, he wraps it up by asking his readers “Should I risk the goodwill I’ve built up over the years by asking for money?” It seems he thought the answer was “yes” but he would have been better off if he had gone with “no”.
I skimmed that. One thing which caught my eye was people openly “in the biz”, including Cringely, put on a swagger half way between boasting and beertalk. I’ve seen others do this too. I guess it’s because they want to project being “insiders” etc. I had somebody pull this on me this week but they wouldn’t be the first. I’ve had a few clients boast but it’s actually a really really small percentage who do.
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I got bored with this but Cringely’s defenestration of Youtube caught my eye. Again, this is a recurring theme with Cringely. He wants to be a big time player in big time television because, hey, that’s what Cringely does. Except he never finishes anything and never has made the big time again. Six figures for a television episode? That may be the benchmark for a lot of reasons but if you have complete control of your own production company and production you can bring an entire feature film in under this, or an entire series if the will is there. A lot depends on your production design and costs but even so. As things turned out Youtube was a slow burn and the window for hitting it big came a few years later. Since then Youtube has created a lot of millionaires while Cringely’s planned Youtube channel which was a hiding to nothing for everyone but for him at least (his claim) would become a money machine (his claim).
That article is crazy. What ever happened to Startup America, anyway? Clearly some footage was shot, because we saw the outtakes. And it looked like it might have been a decent show– Cringely following around people who are actually competent and can actually achieve things is usually interesting.
According to Cringely, some number of shows (less than 10) were already shot, and were guaranteed to come out, but he was upset that they didn’t get the full 10-show season and considering a Kickstarter to fund them. So… why didn’t they come out? Did Bob piss someone off at PBS?
I still prefer this version someone made a few years back. Really gets to the heart of the Mineserver Kickstarter and Bob’s attitude towards it and the backers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ7i2_kn_zE
@Jeremy, you should link your blog entry in the comments there for any travelers. 😋
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I did some more digging. Cringely has a dead Youtube channel. The video on “Startup America” has a couple off odd comments off him. There’s some mumbling and muttering about Mineserver protestors (?) with him blowing a big Raspberry. He also said prostitition would be easier than traditionally raising money for his project. I can tell him now it’s not half as easy as it looks.
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I also find it strangely ironic that Cringely was boosting “Startup America” while encouraging one of his mugs to source from China.
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i’m not going to getinto the nationalism and supply chain and politics issues but to soem degree the US and the UK too is like a big shop which has been runnign on reputation. This was a big sell for years but events over the past few years or so have undermined this. Not only has Asia innocilated itself against another financial crash but also built up its own infrastructure and supply and with the madness in the UK over Brexit Chinese popular opinion especially has began to question the moral superiority of the West.
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To address Cringely claim that prostitution would be easier… What has happened is the industry has grown which has put a lot of pressure on prices. Over 20-30 years they have fallen in real terms to 30% of where they used to be. More escorts are independent so e don’t have middle-men or overheards so net revenue has probably remained even. Since the financial crisis there has been more growth while customers have less money. i haven’t personally noticed much of a drop off because I limit the number of clients I see. I resisted lowering my prices after the crash but haven’t put them up either. Any regular client knows the happier I am the more time and value they get at my discretion so they can get a good deal fo what they are paying and it doesn’t cost me more. If I chased the money I’m sure I’d be wealthier but not happier or healthier.
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Most of my clients even international clients stick with me because they know what they are getting and have no language barrier issues and no legal entanglements. A minority of clients have used Asian suppliers, to use a euphamism, and I notice their expectations are different and on balance mostly for the better.
Ah, now this is the content I come to Cringely’s blog for. Seriously, trashtalk, this is fascinating stuff.
I’ve changed my mind about Mineserver, I’ve finally had that metal plate removed from my head and am now able to think straight.
Wow, I feel so much better, it’s only $99. I humbly apologise for acting like an unbearable whinging cunt for the last 5 years.
From vulgar name calling to falsely impersonating people, you have just destroyed any shred of credibility and dignity you had (which was already questionable). Thanks, it makes it much easier to pay no mind to you! Obvious troll is obvious, no more food for you.
Wow, I don’t even remember posting this. I didn’t even spell my name correctly!
I wonder if that was even me since this post *completely* ignores the oft-repeated fact that it’s not about the money. This is what’s known as a strawman fallacy — misrepresenting someone’s position to make it easier to attack it. (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman) Of course, it’s harder to defend the position that *Crookely* hasn’t been the one acting like a “cunt” lo these many years, so one might simply make up something that’s more easily argued against.
That is, since it’s hard to argue that Crookely isn’t the ass for ghosting his backers, the claim is put forth that his backers are asses for whining about the money. I’m not sure there could be a better example of the strawman fallacy.
If it is not about the money — what exactly is it about then?
It’s only been explained about 1,000 times in these comments.
What the Kickstarter backers are looking for is an acknowledgement, by Bob, on the Mineserver Kickstarter page, that the project is dead.
Maybe a brief explanation.
Maybe an apology.
It would take maybe fifteen minutes to do, and end this whole controversy forever.
But Bob doesn’t want to do it. Why not? Because he can’t admit that the project is dead. He can’t admit that he failed. In his mind, he’s going to make it all right, somehow, in some unspecified future that will never happen.
Not everyone is truly familiar with Kickstarter, how it works, and what it’s really all about. Allow me to explain[1].
Kickstarter is not a store.
Let me repeat that: Kickstarter is not a store. Sure, some people run projects as if it were and far too many people back projects as if it were, but, really, it’s not a store. Now, there are some projects where backing them is pretty much the same — on the surface — as purchasing something from a store such as Amazon or Walmart, but that’s not the intent nor is anything guaranteed.
If you back a project, you’re not buying something. You may select a reward which includes some sort of product (such as a Mineserver), but you are not guaranteed to get that reward. Instead, you are providing funding for the project creator to accomplish something. That goal might be to produce a finished product and send it to backers, but it might not be. Among the projects I’ve backed with no expectation of any reward (other than, perhaps, a thank you) are replacing a small town theatre’s projection system with a digital one, installing new floors in a dance studio, and preserving historic newspapers.
So, if it’s not for a specific reward, why would someone back a project? Why would anyone plunk down their hard-earned cash when they’re not guaranteed to get anything in return? Simple: because they want to be a part of the project, to help make it happen.
With experienced backers, especially, they often want to be a part of the process, to be a fly on the wall as the creator tries to accomplish their goal. Not everyone has the skills or time or resources to do some of the things that project creators want to do, so backing a project is a way to watch the project come to life and, hopefully, the goal come to fruition.
Now, I’m not going to pretend there aren’t projects that I or others back with the expectation of receiving something at the end of it. The first Kickstarter kickstarter project I backed was to fund an album by a newgrass band I really liked. I did get that album and still enjoy it. I would argue that backing any project from Peak Design is about the same as walking into their store and purchasing a product a few months later; I know they will deliver and whatever they come up with will be awesome. So, yes, people do “purchase” stuff through Kickstarter.
But let me tell you about one project I backed: Double-Six dice. I’m not a gamer and I really don’t have much need for dice; certainly not enough to warrant spending money on dice that roll better than traditional d6 dice. I thought, however, that it looked interesting and I enjoyed the story the creator told in explaining what he wanted to do. So I backed it and it remains one of my favorite campaigns ever. Not because I use the dice or anything (tbh, I’m not even sure where they are) but because how much the creator made his backers a part of the process. There were surveys about what kind of dice to produce and photos of boxes of dice in his driveway and his mother packing up rewards and… And we were all so drawn in that, even if the dice turned out to be not very good, we would have been fine with it — we got our money’s worth from the experience. And even though I never used the dice, I not only backed his second project but another one he was helping out with.
Backers want to see behind the curtain as the creators do their thing. We want to know what works and what didn’t. We want to share in the highs and the lows of trying to create something. *That’s* what we’re guaranteed. Not that the project will succeed but that, if it doesn’t, we’ll know why and how and what lessons were learned.
As a two-time creator, I’ll share my experience from that point of view as well. When setting up the project, there’s loads of planning, then lots of excitement while the project is live. If you want it to do well, you’ll engage with your backers so that they’ll tell their friends. You’ll be active on social media to promote it. You’ll do your best to show that your backers’ money will be well spent in terms of the experience, whether or not they get any reward. And when it’s over, that’s when the work starts. You begin making or doing whatever it was, all the while telling your backers what you’re doing and how it’s going. Eventually, hopefully, you finish it and you might then have something to send your backers (not all projects create physical rewards, of course).
Bob hasn’t done that. Many, if not most, of his backers are not regular readers here. So anything he posts here is fine, but doesn’t really count towards the stuff I mentioned above. Imagine if your phone company said “oh, I posted your bill on facebook — didn’t you see it?” I know I would be all “No, I don’t go to Facebook to see my bills, especially if no one tells me to do that!” Bob simply ghosted all those folks who were waiting to see what happened, to get the rest of the story.
I can’t speak for all his backers, but I will say that, while I wouldn’t say no to a Mineserver or a refund, I also don’t care about getting one. What I want, as Jeremy said, is some closure, for Bob to *officially* (i.e., on Kickstarter, not here) say that the project is dead (assuming it really is) and, ideally, an explanation/apology. What isn’t acceptable is for him to keep saying things like “every backer will get their mineserver before the end of the year” and then not mention it. (Of course, that seems to be SOP for him — still wondering on *which* Monday hill post his look back at last year’s predictions.) So, yeah. Since Bob doesn’t post on Kickstarter, his backers came here to find out what’s up, only to be disparaged, insulted, and snubbed.
If Bob really wants to end this, he just needs to do it. He fancies himself a writer; it shouldn’t be so hard to write something up and post it on Kickstarter. Or he could even have the boys do it, since it was supposedly their project.
Now, this is a very superficial look at Kickstarter and every project and every backer is different, but hopefully this will help explain things.
[1] As a “superbacker” who has backed over 200 “successful” projects and run two of my own, I think I have a handle on the whole Kickstarter thing.
Good lord, imagine actually reading all that?
I don’t have to imagine it. I read it. It was full of interesting information and thoughts.
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Unlike your trolling posts.
I can’t speak for US law but in UK law contracts cannot override the law. You cannot sign away your rights. This is just my point of view but I feel Cringely didn’t uphold his contract. He frontloaded everything with assurances and has taken great care to post this reasonings away from Kickstarters site. He has failed even the most basic of reasonable expectations while claiming himself to have expertise. I’m reading all of this as classic puffery and smoke and mirrors and secrecy to avoid responsibilities. Is this legal in the US?
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There’s other things which don’t addup or look right to my eyes. Claiming huge discounts on one hand while claiming to have sunk the same amount of his own money in. No attempt was made to stage the photograph of miniservers on the desk so the scene looked good. It’s ten minutes work to clear the scene of litter and organise things to take a well composed photograph.
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In the UK escort is both legal and contracts are void for the kind of services I provide. Most if not all depends on good faith. I can very literally take the money and walk and there isn’t a court in the land which wouldn’t throw the case out but this is not how I do business. I don’t produce a lot of media and almost none of it is to a standard I like but I don’t publish a single photo or video without staging a shot or reviewing it afterwards and this is me at my laziest. Because my work blog comes from a very personal place and I have to navigate fairly narrow market expectations I don’t have the emotional energy for it. In retrospect Roger’s comments about updates are pretty useful. I already know this is the kind of bounty Kickstarter is, cynically some may argue, designed to produce but it’s knocked my mind out of a rut and got me thinking how I can craft better content.
@Michael Cunt — “Good lord, imagine actually reading all that?”
I’m sorry, did I use too many big words for you? I’ll try to dumb it down next time.
@Roger – all I really needed was the last 3-4 paragraphs. I didn’t need an education in Kickstarter. That’s OK.
Honestly, though, I don’t think you are ever going to get what you area after. Cringely is never going to embrace failure. I believe the only way he will ever comment on Kickstarter again is, if by some miracle, he manages to come up with the cash and will to complete the project. Otherwise, you’ll hear nothing.
@Bill Coleman I didn’t need an education in Kickstarter. That’s OK.
The irony of that that is for the past 4 years, people have CONSISTENTLY been talking down to anyone upset about the Mineserver as though they don’t understand what Kickstarter is, always falling on the crutch that “it’s not a store. You should have known what you were getting into”. And yet, when @Roger takes the time to explain that he DOES know what Kickstarter is, and here is why, it’s dismissed as superfluous text. You can’t have it both ways. Maybe you understand that, but most people who respond to @Roger don’t or are ignoring that.
I didn’t even back the Mineserver and have just been following Bob for years, but I for one get annoyed when people keep bringing this out, spewing words without ever reading any contradictory thoughts. If you aren’t willing to read, think, and learn, then you are never going to grow as an individual. Everyone needs to get off the bash @Roger train and start to realize that some of what he says (not all of it) has a shred of truth to it and maybe Bob has a few skeletons in his closet. Trying to cover it up and turn a blind eye isn’t helping anything. Just my two cents.
@Bill Coleman — “all I really needed was the last 3-4 paragraphs. I didn’t need an education in Kickstarter. That’s OK.”
If you have to ask “If it is not about the money — what exactly is it about then?”, then you don’t grok Kickstarter. I tried to answer your question to give you an understanding of what Kickstarter is all about.
It’s not my problem if you don’t want to learn.
But I wasn’t just answering you — I was also answering those folks who also don’t get what it’s about and keep saying “why are you making such a big deal about $99?” Will it help? Probably not. A likelihood of failure does not mean a noble task should not be attempted.
However, I will note that I agree that Crookely will never admit any wrongdoing or failure. I’ll go further and say that if, by some miracle, he came up with an extra $35k, he’d be far more likely to buy another plane or something that satisfy his backers. After all, if he could have satisfied them all along for free, why waste money doing the same?
@Roger, since you admit you are never going to see the satisfaction you so earnestly crave, why do you persist?
@Bill Coleman Obvious troll is obvious. This has already been explained multiple times. You either aren’t reading or don’t care to listen. Regardless of your answer, you aren’t worth anyone’s time at this point.
i posted just before the end of watching Cringely outtakes video. Apart from having issues with his off-camera sense of humour and macho swaggering he joked one of the women was prostituting herself to raise money. Is this simpy “banter” or an actionable sexism case?
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Other than this “triumph of the Nerds” is so long ago I can barely remember it plus the whole world has changed so it’s now history. I’m left with a handful of sentiments and unless I caught Cringely blogs by chance years ago like most people would likely have forgotten he existed. After he staged a recent return, Slashdot on which he previously had a reserve seat, reported an article but the next time was grudging and the popular reaction was “meh”. He goofed with PBS and now can’t get a show made and his self-proclaimed “money machine” Youtube channel is dead. He doesn’t appear in the search results and he has three videos and 46 subscribers.
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I don’t like rubbing salt into wounds but this is quite a fall.
And he went blind and his house burned down!
Brilliant !!!
The “going blind” gag was full of typical Cringely exaggerations and lies. Cataract surgery is a very normal and simple operation and they typically only do one eye at a time.
There is also no evidence that Cringely’s house burned down, other than one blurry photo he posted of a house with a pinkish-orange background. The entire neighborhood seemed to be unscathed. And Bob has been shown to post altered and/or misleading photos, such as the Photoshop of the Starfighters F-104 with a different background, the color and brightness turned down, the Starfighters logo replaced with an Eldorado logo and a fake rocket added underneath.
trashtalk, I also noticed the awkward (and profoundly unfunny) sexual humor in the outtakes. In this respect, and others, Bob seems to have never left the 1990s. The world has changed and he hasn’t kept up. It’s kind of sad.
Yeah I’m way past 1990’s humour. I pinch style from the 1980’s sometimes (and other periods too) but modernity is inescapable. If people understand the context and trust someone then wild things are acceptable but not as a random out of place thing.
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One of my top clients made an appearance today. I’ve previously leaned towards1950s skirtsuits or something a bit glam (which gets good service in shops) but went for a short slinky PVC dress as it’s had a good response. This is as far off-brand as I go and I wasn’t sure if it was a good idea or bad idea but it went down well as did my videos which he had got around to watching. All in all a good time plus the client wore a swish new coat which was really modern and on point compared to his usual which proved old dogs can learn new tricks too. The downside with looking too sexy is conversation tends to be shorter on the other hand more sensual and relaxing so emotionally easier. Like a decent movie or game if the immersion level is higher then it’s usually a more satisfying experience.
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I forget who originated this but they said that when creating a movie you can drop one big clanger or three small clangers but no more than this. I think by and large this is true or true enough for any narrative to use as a guideline.
If one works in the tech sector, then one knows everything is vaporware until it isn’t.
I’m not thrilled with the prospect of another two articles in this series. I find Cringely an unreliable narrator. He’s irresponsible with medical topics and I wouldn’t put much weight on his political or business views not to mention they are so US-centric they’re not worth talking about. This assumes we don’t have to wait another six months for the next one.
To be fair, Cringely is an American living in the U.S. whose experience has been chiefly in that country, and thus he writes for the American market. It wouldn’t make much sense for him to write from a non-American perspective. As reputable as the Daily Telegraph is, I wouldn’t read it if I were interested in, say, a Japanese perspective on world events. If someone doesn’t have the knowledge or expertise needed to write from a particular regional or international perspective, it makes no sense for them to do so.
My reply is being chewed up for some reason. Either it’s too long (unlikely) or some innocuous word is triggering it.
Likely some innocuous word, as I’ve seen people post VERY long replies without issue and sometimes I cannot even get 2-3 sentences in. The strangest words get flagged as spam, like teggun (spelled backwards). It’s painful trying to get through the blocker sometimes, unsure where the issue lies; Without having the ability to go back and edit after it’s been rejected, I’ve resorted to copying and pasting everything into a text pad before hitting submit just in case the Spam God’s flag my thoughts as not fit for this blog, lest I lose everything, including my interest to rewrite it usually.
Let’s just stop for a minute and appreciate this brave prediction and how it’s all come true.
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I don’t want to spoil anything but Mark is currently crunching the numbers and is almost prepared to announce that oil will soon be very cheap.
So that’s funny — I was just re-reading + trying to unpack that latest prediction. “We will have a recession either this year or next year.” “GDP will drop by 1%.” Genius insights on the flagging end of an ~11 year bull market, I tell you. Unbridled genius.
I can’t believe he’s just giving this advice away, you’d pay big money on Wall Street for this kind of insight into the markets. Instead we get Mark and his family crunching the numbers like fastidious little elves to bring us riches beyond our dreams!!!
International Women’s Day passed without a murmer from Cringely. In London there was a huge public march of sex workers protesting rights and acceptance by the government it was a real job. Escort is legal and income is taxable which the Inland Revenue gleefully accepts but the government continues to resist actually accepting it is work. This is why for business purposes many escorts will register as “lifestyle consultants” or “holistic therapists” or something equally plausible. Sex work is now included in the UK’s GDP measure which provided a win for the then government who were desperate to promote inclusion and growth without having to do anything.
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It would be an interesting question to ask where computing (and IT and science in general) would be without women’s contribution. You could argue a man would have done it anyway but this is insulting.
@trashtalk I don’t dismiss your interests, I also think this would be interesting, but Bob doesn’t even have (read: make) time to write about the stuff that HE promises he’ll write, so I can’t imagine he’ll ever have time to write stuff that you want him to write about.
As others have said, this would be a good opportunity for you to write a blog, then you don’t have to fault Bob for not writing about things that interest you and can instead take matters into your own hands.
@trashtalk — Bob is a known misogynist. Consider his pitch for the Mineserver: “Mineserver™ is faster, easier, more secure, cheaper, and managed by Mom.” The implication is that “Mom” has no “Linux sysadmin chops” because surely a dumb girl can’t understand computers. So the likelihood that he’d give props to women is not very high.
Of course, none of us would be here without the work of women. The reason any of us have a computer is because Admiral Grace Hopper saw the potential and pushed their use for business, not just research. Those smartphones we all have exist in large part due to Donna Dubinsky. And we mustn’t leave out the younger women like the amazing Jeri Ellsworth. Any of these women could run rings around Crookely in any tech topic.
Ada Lovelace comes to mind.
@Kevin My post on the benefits of presenting international views to an audience glitched because of length or a word filter. But basically there are advantages both in broadening and deepening views as well as growing and respecting foreign audiences.It’s not a big ask.
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My clients know I rattle on. Just seeing what sticks plus twiddling thumbs in between reading your stuff.
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@Roger I noticed Cringely’s “mom” pitch. The ignorant es oh dee. On the other side of the fence I have real problems promoting tech orientation. So many journalists keep coercing discussion onto life issues or womens issues, or women’s IT conferences are not about the work but women’s issues and workplace equality. It’s no wonder men tune out, or women like Nicole Kidman or Elizabeth Warren get sucked in to fluffy and emotional discussion instead of competing on artistic challenges or policy. If journalists took the same tone you did with your comment I’m pretty sure the conversation would be better.
One more note about “Mom” and tech — a lack of “Linux sysadmin chops” does not mean someone is stupid, regardless of gender. There are loads to topics where I have a lot of knowledge but others might not. Talking about a friend, my daughter once mentioned “she tried out for Diana but got nothing.” I burst out laughing, but most people here probably wouldn’t know why. Doesn’t make y’all stupid, just illiterate about one particular topic.
I started reading Infoworld just under 40 years ago; I got my first portable computer 37 years ago. But even I have to have my kids set things up or adjust settings on my phone — not because I am incapable of figuring it out but because “ain’t nobody got time for dat.”
My wife doesn’t know Linux from a Lippizaner, not because she’s female but because she knows everything there is to know about elementary education and doesn’t care about computers or horses.
I understand about the conferences and truly hope for the day when workplace equality is as common a topic as improvements in home butter churning. Until then, we have to keep talking about it and working to make true equality a reality. That means encouraging young women to explore tech rather than discouraging them. (Something like this: https://vimeo.com/334077442)
Roger is completely correct about this. Expertise with one area doesn’t mean you are an expert in all things. Just because someone is not an expert in your area doesn’t mean they are not an expert in another area. Also just because someone is not an expert at all doesn’t mean they are stupid. Often we have expertise we can leverage or be experts in multiple areas or with respect to one problem the one expert could be more expert than all the experts combined. This is a well travelled area professionally. The real expert who appreciates this and can understand or empthise with these different points of view is open not only to learning but also teaching and better communicating and innovation and refinement and discovering new knowledge. Some professions and some experts are much better accomodating this than others.
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Doctors and academics are among the worst and now we have a guest appearance by a rote learned booksmart MD PhD with a website out of the 1990’s?
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I’m fine with a lot of initiatives. The problems always happen later because of arrogance and lack of respect even when discussing pure technical issues. This is the real killer in the workplace and media.
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First, the good news. Coronavirus is a cold. 1/ in 6 colds are due to coronavirus.
the bad news. Colds are epidemic, infect large numbers of the population and are often fatal. Rhinovirus is the least dangerous. Echovirus isn’t very dangerous unless you include polio–which I do, and they can cause organ failure like with myocarditis and hepatitis (a).
It is going away in a month. There should be a million cases and probably more like a thousand deaths in the US than 10,000 or 30,000. Your average cold does this every year. Nobody noticed. Every 10 years, there is a cold locally that paralyzes the entire healthcare system on the East Coast and it’s never named.
And the good news. Coronavirus is going to have a treatment developed. Do you want to spend a grand for a ten fold lower mortality rate from a cold. Age 40 no. Age 80……..depends on my suicidality and finances at the time. For the wife, yes I would. And, there’s TWO serotypes. Vaccines will work. They will suck and be both mediocre as the flu vaccine in lowering getting sick down by 30 to 50% but mortality lowered by 75% to a bit more.
This is going on my website and radio show this saturday.
http://www.workingmemory.space will have this and more.
Oh btw. Yes, it’s a shame about Minespace. No, this is not the world’s worst crime.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/4/21156136/ibackpack-smart-backpack-kickstarter-indiegogo-crowdfunding-scam-investigation-ftc-doug-monahan
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“No, this is not the world’s worst crime.”
No, it’s not. That’s why it’s not on the evening news and no one’s cancelled schools because of it. But, boy, I’m glad we have a MD PhD to explain that to us.
It is, however, as much as anything else, the Mineserver *is* Crookely’s legacy. But, if you weren’t too busy tooting your own horn, you might know that and you might actually understand the issue.
So, how about this instead — you go to Fox News and you can read about all the big issues of the day. If you come to Crookely’s site, you’ll read about Crookely’s issues. If you don’t like that, you can stick to the former. You might as well go to a football website and complain because they’re talking about sports instead of origami.
But, hey, who am I to tell you, Dr. Wachsman, MD, PhD, what to do?
Roger, Mineserver is NOT Bob Cringelys legacy, what an absolute ridiculous and pathetic comment. As has already been explained to you over and over again on Wikipedia, you are giving undue weight to this issue.
It’s probably your legacy tho. And what a legacy it is.
It’s important to you, it doesn’t mean it’s important to everyone. Get, the fuck, over it.
Saying that the Mineserver debacle isn’t part of Cringely’s legacy is a bit like saying that impeachment wasn’t part of Nixon’s legacy, and that people give it undue weight compared to the really important things, like his visit to China.
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Nixon was never impeached so why would that be part of his legacy?
Watergate? Hell yeah!
@Hideki Kagawa — “Mineserver is NOT Bob Cringelys legacy, what an absolute ridiculous and pathetic comment.”
Like Crookely, I fancy myself a writer, so sometimes I fail to use the overly-simplistic wording that seems necessary for folks here. (And looking back, it seems I should have done a bit more editing.) “as much as anything else, the Mineserver *is* Crookely’s legacy.” Perhaps that’s a little complicated, but the introductory phrase “as much as anything else” indicates that the Mineserver is one part, albeit and equal one, of Crookely’s legacy. So, for the English Language Learners in the group, the Mineserver and other things (such as Nerds, the Stanford PhD, etc.) comprise, er, are parts of his legacy. Given how recent it is, compared to other notable events, it will carry significant (some might say undue) weight as part of that legacy.
“It’s probably your legacy tho. And what a legacy it is.”
Well, like Crookely, I have run a Kickstarter project. Two of them, in fact. The first was successfully funded and I delivered rewards to every backer despite some significant issues occurring in my life at the time. (If you’re curious, you’re welcome to go back and read the updates to see how a Kickstarter is supposed to be run.) The second one just ended and was not successfully funded, but I am in the middle of fulfilling those rewards nonetheless. Yeah, okay, so that is, perhaps, a little unusual, but no one ever said I was a normal.
So, if Kickstarter is to be my only legacy, I’m okay with that. Is Crookely?
P.S., there are about 5 people whose opinion of me I care about. One of them is dead, one likes me enough to sleep with me, and the other three don’t complain too much about my cooking. So, unlike Crookely, I don’t need a legacy at all, good, bad, or otherwise.
“Get, the fuck, over it.”
Since we’re talking like schoolchildren now, I’ll respond in kind: Make me.
Roger, from where I stand, your bitter crusade against Cringely looks like it is about your bruised ego, more than anything else. You said it yourself, it is not because you lost $99. So then it is because Cringely ignores you (and all other investors), and that is just too much for your ego. Grow up Roger, let it go, bitter feelings seldom do any good, neither to those harbouring them, nor to those directed at.
@momo where you stand is having multiple handles, all with the same voice, and all targeting and berating Roger specifically, despite about 4-5 of us sharing his viewpoint and walking away unscathed. So while you claim Roger has a unhealthy obsession with Bob and is seeking some sort of response from him that will never come, I question your interest in Roger specifically.
Perhaps you think picking off one of us will damage our crusade, I’m unsure, but in case you haven’t noticed, your sticks and stones don’t seem to be breaking him, and Bob doesn’t seem to care about the work you’re doing on his behalf and has left you alone in the pit with us, so unsure what you’re getting out of this unless teasing others makes you feel good about yourself…
Momo isn’t me, genius
@Michael Cunt Oh well you said it, so it MUST be true. Can’t argue this logic. You showed me!
In all honesty, that Doug Monahan iBackpack narrative (cited above) is fascinating — I mean that non-sarcastically, it’s really captivating — disturbingly familiar to this fiasco. Two or more over-the-top medical emergencies (partially fact-based), multiple extravagant product claims + demos (I carry a .45 to show how well it fits in this product, I invite all doubters to film me taking a bullet through my Kevlar backpack), too many irons-in-the-fire distraction(s), ruinous personal habits (drugs + spending, in the Texan’s case), several misstatements concerning past education + financial history, vague who-robbed-whom intellectual-property allegations, a final recourse to Kickstarter because ‘they don’t validate or litigate as closely as the VC folks.’
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Monahan is a few years Cringely’s junior, he is in considerably worse shape, and his excesses appear to eclipse the Californian’s by a factor of ten… but the pattern of keep-outrunning-past-failures and concoct-elaborate-cover-stories is nearly identical. I hope this is not a glimpse of some possible Dickensian future.
I read about Doug Monahan too. What a roadcrash!
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I have no idea why anyone would buy this backpack. Personally, I’d go for a regular backback or a photographers vest. They cover all general use cases and there’s less to go wrong and you can add or modify if there is a need. If you need bulletproof you have bigger problems.
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As for Monahan spending money on girls as an escort I would never encourage a client to spend money he doesn’t have. I also don’t confuse money with a relationship. If a guy is splashing the cash you can play along if you’re desperate but once the cash dries up you’re gone too. I honestly can’t do escort just for the money. It’s too emotionally damaging and I’m not like that anyway.
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Monahan’s mistreatment of employees is just wrong. You just don’t do that.
That Doug Monahan story is wild. If Bob doesn’t read that and think “what the hell am I doing” and straighten up, this may be the future of his career as well. Sure, Bob has the wife and kids, so by his account he may feel different, but the similarities of a career that once was being tarnished by a mistake that you can’t outrun (and an ego that won’t admit defeat) is uncanny.
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Bob let this be your cautionary tale. Check your ego at the door and call off the whole thing. This chase you are leading doesn’t end well for you, it’s not worth throwing away your career and reputation. People are capable of growth and change, I believe you have it in you too. If not for you, do it for your family. Get help, man. It’s hard to see you like this!
The iBackpack story even comes with its own “was it Monahan or was it Cringely?” quote:
““Every single person is going to get their backpack, and it’s going to be a good one.”
I’m just here for the party… 😃
Coronovirus is bad news because of its long incubation period before it shows symptoms. It also impacts people at risk much harder. On the second time around it can be nasty. This is basically it in a nutshell. This explains the need for containment and why the death rates appear much higher than they actually are.
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Ordinary soap and water is the best, cheapest, and most readily available method. Routine hygiene to maintain cleanliness after touching or entering dirty environments, and cleaning of surfaces will reduce contamination and spreading. There is no rocket science involved here.
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Degrees of isolation such maintaining distance, avoiding crowded places and avoiding places where people from contaminated areas may be present, or for high risk either lock-downs or isolation.
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Supply chains are secure and have no problems maintaining supplies. There is no need for panic buying. All panic buying does is make you look an idiot and cause empty shelves for a shop for a couple of days while they reorder.
The latest coronovirus research shows a median 5.1 day incubation period, but an exceptionally high viral load even before symptoms manifest.
The bad news is that it can be spread simply through breathing, even without coughing,
Study highlights ease of spread of COVID-19 viruses
Coronavirus-19 can live on a glass surface for up to 9 days (in ideal conditions) – but, transmission of the virus from inanimate surfaces to humans is not particularly the primary transmission mechanism.
It never hurts to wash your hands, it might keep you from catching a flu, cold or infection… or coronavirus-19.
Transmission of coronavirus-19 – apparently – is primarily through the air (and then the lungs)… specifically, from one person’s lungs (via coughing), into the air and then into a different person’s lungs.
Thus, the better plan for not catching coronavirus-19 is social-separation – stay away from people.
Anyway, the question that keeps being asked thousands of times (and never answered) – is:
Why is coronavirus-19 such a big deal? Is it any worse than the flu which kills around 15,000 people in the United States every year?
Yes it is worse. A more precise analogy is not just the flu – but, a very bad flu that we have no vaccine for and is easily transmitted through the air.
So, a particularly bad – but possible – scenario is that a large percent of the US population catches coronavirus-19 – say 30%, around 100 million people – which kills a lot of old people – say perhaps 1 million old people. Not the end of the world… but, a lot of kids would miss their dead grandparents… not to mention a few younger people.
It’s funny how the right wing mouthed off about AIDS being a plague from God. They all gone quiet about this now coronovirus is set to wipe them out and their voting base.
That’s a very American perspective. In Europe the virus is directly hitting the most profligate countries, while sparing the most pious ones.
Yes it is because I’m pointing the finger at right wing Americans on the other side of the Atlantic. Exporting themselves over here with their lobby groups and money is neither necessary nor wanted. These people have done incredible damage to society and the country. I’m not going to dignify the rest of your comments. It’s such a pejorative and loaded cut-and-paste right wing talking point it’s not worth a reply.
I add my voice to questioning this unhealthy obsession towards Roger. Despite repeated explanations that actually justify folks trying to hold Bob accountable. And justify Mineserver being a notable part of Bob’s life. From his own mouth Bob keeps it alive too! And trying to still finish it, so he says, so clearly still relevant to him. So with all that evidence, this multi persona person (or perhaps multiple people, but see what happens when one changes their name so often?), here and on Wiki, is taking a very unhealthy interest in Roger as well as in trying to squash Mineserver from existence, for some reason. Or they’re just a troll. Either way, no one is buying what you’re selling!
Not unlike Roger’s obsession toward Cringely / Stephens / Mineserver.
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When an ecosystem is large enough, parasites naturally arise. When the ecosystem gets even larger and the parasites become an established part of the ecosystem, those parasites will end up with their own parasites.
This is the first of two 2020 predictions concerning COVID-19…
To @Jeremy Reimer and @Roger Sinasohn (and anyone else with an 8-bit axe to grind over M********rs):
You two have accounted for roughly 25% of all of the comments on this non-M********r article. You’ve made it clear on Robert X. Cringely’s article on Robert X. Cringely’s blog that you don’t think much of Robert X. Cringely.
Thanks. You’ve made your point. Duly noted. Understood. We got it.
Now for the love all Almighty, please oblige the rest of us that didn’t get duped into investing by taking your complaining offline.
Can we please read just ONE article’s comment section without having to read the word “M********r” and your accompanying grievances and vitriol?
BTW – If you don’t think we’re being reasonable and you’re the victims, then go see an objective 3rd party (maybe a counselor?) and tell them what you’ve been doing. Show them your well thought-out list of complaints. Explain your case with all the fervor you’ve shown here.
Then ask them, “What should I do now?”, and see how they respond.
*shrugs*
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It’s Bob’s site. He can allow or moderate comments as he pleases.
And yet, Bob tolerates your musings on how pathetic he is.
There is no percentage in trying to fight back; he’ll not change your minds.
IMU, stage actors are discouraged from reading reviews while actively engaged in trying to play a role.
Why? Because one doesn’t need a critic’s voice in one’s head while trying to perform. If one wants to read reviews, one should wait until after the play has closed.
And yet, Bob leaves you empowered to continually beat him up for no good purpose.
Bob “tolerates” it because it keeps comment numbers and views high, and higher numbers are always better to a narcissist.
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He doesn’t need to “fight back” to end all this. Just apologize for lying about the Mach 2.2+ aircraft, and for lying about the Mineservers, and admit that the project is dead. Then we’ll all vanish into the ether, because what else would there be to talk about?
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But that will never happen.
Right.
Because you get to dictate everyone else’s behavior until you’re satisfied.
Do you realize you just said “duped into investing?” And in particular, do you realize the person doing said duping is in fact Bob? Furthermore do you realize duping is a bad thing? So put it all together, by attacking people who are trying to hold accountable a person taking part in shady behavior (duping people to give him money) you are directly or indirectly supporting said person and excusing and basically being complicit in their behavior. So tell me again how M********r people are the problem….? Thanks!
Yeah, it’s a little weird to be so angry about comments on a blog, but then use the language “duped” to try and… what? Prove one’s superiority over the dupe? Why would you want to do that? It undermines your original argument.
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By the way, I never invested in Bob’s Mineserver project. In fact, I mostly just ignored it, and Roger, for the longest time.
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But it was Bob’s post about buying all the Mach 2.2+ aircraft in the world that changed things for me. It didn’t make sense. And so I did a bit of digging and found that the statement was an outright lie Which was weird, because… why would anyone do that? Especially someone with decades of reputation as a journalist to protect?
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And so, confused, I started going down the rabbit hole of the Mineserver saga.
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That’s when I discovered that Bob’s entire life has been filled with lies.
FYI, never invested or even played Minecraft. Just based on past conversations I think most still here did not.
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Reality is that watching Cringely jumping over the flames of his self-immolated career have been more interesting than predictions like “a highly communicable virus that shut down the world’s second largest economy will have an impact on the world.”
@Brian J — “You two have accounted for roughly 25% of all of the comments…”
Wow, did you really take the time to count them all? You honor me, sir.
“Thanks. You’ve made your point. Duly noted. Understood. We got it.”
Do you? Do you really understand? Really? Well, let’s see…
“the rest of us that didn’t get duped into investing…”
You got the “duped” part right — quite a few of Crookely’s backers backed his project *because* they knew him from this blog and elsewhere and because they felt that lent credence to his project — but you’re wrong on the investing. Kickstarter is not an investment platform nor is it a store. What it is is a way for people to support someone trying to accomplish something or bring something to life. Sometimes, yes, there is a potential reward for that support, but that is not always the case nor is it guaranteed even when it is. What IS guaranteed, however, is that backers will be kept in the loop, will get to be a fly on the wall of the process.
Now, some project creators have trouble with coming up with updates; the written word is simply not their preferred medium. I’ve backed projects where the creator could barely string together a coherent sentence. But Crookely fancies himself a writer. What’s his excuse? Those non-writers managed to put out updates and keep their backers informed; why hasn’t Crookely?
“Can we please read just ONE article’s comment section without having to read the word “M********r” and your accompanying grievances and vitriol?”
Short answer — no. Long answer — as long as Crookely fails to live up to his responsibilities and I have the time and energy to continue holding his feet to the fire, no.
“BTW – If you don’t think we’re being reasonable and you’re the victims, then go see an objective 3rd party … Then ask them, ‘What should I do now?'”
Ooh, you’re not going to like the answer to this one. See, been there, done that.
Jeremy Reimer is *not* a Mineserver backer; he was *not* “duped” into backing the project. He IS an objective 3rd party. He just happened to do the research, explore both sides, and make his own mind up, rather than making a knee-jerk reaction to the complaints of people he had no reason to care about.
But, if you still think there’s room or another 3rd party… howsabout you? How about you go read the original project description, the updates, the comments there, the posts here, and all the comments about it and then, once you’re fully informed about the situation, come back and give us your thoughts?
Now, if that’s too much effort for you, you could just turn to Jeremy’s excellent summary linked to above.
Or, you could just post more uninformed rants. Your choice. It is the internet, after all.
Oh, here we go. Mr Shouty wants attention.There is thing like plurality of opinion. If you don’t like it don’t read it or write something different or more interesting. You are demanding others perform just to please you and yet you haven’t made a single contribution for the whole topic.
Is there an option to ignore/hide posts? The signal to noise ratio is too much.
Yes, there is. Assuming you’re using a window-based graphical user interface, the web browser you use to view this site probably has a scroll bar on the right-hand side of the browser window. To hide comments, keep the slider on that scroll bar above the point where the article ends and the comments begin.
Well this coronvirus thing is going to suck. I could be looking at a total lock down for six months or more. Possibly even a year. It’s not safe for others or ethical to continue working. There’s the odd high net worth client who may want an exclusive on their yacht or cottage in the countryside under the circumstances but this is rare as hens teeth and expensive. I’m not expecting it.
Seems like an ideal opportunity to start a blog / write a book / learn a language / invent the Next Big Thing.
Or take an online course in something interesting. There are hundreds of high-quality courses offered by top universities in a huge range of subjects, for credit or not.
Those are ideas but I’d like to give my brain are stand try different things. I’d like to buy a decent fur coat and do some arty photography in the middle of town snootily flashing a pair of suspenders in a scene empty of people. Helmut Newton is an inspiration. I’ve got a lot off filing work to sort through and scan in before throwing, and doing my place up too.
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I hate nested comments. Flat comments are much more usable.
“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”
With all the larger evils in the world, it’s nice to know our avenging angels are looking out for us small-time no-name weirdos. Not that Bob is a larger evil. But Avenging Angels® must have smaller evils upon which to practice.
Perhaps, at some point, they might be ready to take down the larger evils of our world. Until then, they will continue to tilt at windmills.
No comment.
Because you write like you’re insane.
Insane?
Is that a technical term?
Like insanely great?
It didn’t deserve one.
Thank you for sharing that with me.
The steady state of human nature is arrogant self-righteousness.
You’re calling people arrogant while crying nobody’s replying to you. And then you reply to yourself.
No comment.
“No comment” sounds like crying to you?
Talking to myself rather than singling out J. Random Luser?
Surly you can’t be sirius!
And don’t call you surly! Or Cerberus!
There is not that much variety in human behavior. I’m arrogant; you’re arrogant; Bob is arrogant.
What we’re dealing with is the survival instinct.
We insist on having our own way because we “feel” our survival depends on it.
Bollocks!
This is a test.
Nothing works and nobody cares. Attributed to Woody Allen, among others.
Interesting.
Three previous attempts to post a message and nothing.
I wonder what horrid shibboleth I uttered.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shibboleth
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/shibboleth?s=t
The rest is silence.
And you read an awful lot into very little.
^ totally not a crazy person
Crazy?
Is that another technical term?
Like crazy good?
If all that you say is true, then perhaps you should ignore me.
Some aspect of this must be entertaining to you otherwise . . . the rest is silence.
“The rest is silence”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4
We were ignoring you. You complained that we were ignoring you. Then I told you why you were being ignored.
ERROR! ERROR! Must analyze!
Think before you comment jagoff
Replying to a comment, and then returning 3 days later to reply again, is most definitely not the behavior of a crazy person.
Nope. I’m just slow. Takes me a while to figure things out. In addition, I’m 3 of the 5 stupidest people I know.
What’s your excuse?
Or are you number 4?
“No comment” sounds like complaining?
Being ignored is just another day in Paradise.
I’m an extra with no dialogue walking through the background of my own life.
And it feels good!
Coronavirus is sucking worse than 9/11.
Bob called this one right, Coronavirus sucks and the economy impact is and will be huge…
Bob said they bought all the 2.2 Mach fighters available for his satellite deal…and Jeremy says there are more fighter models that can reach Mach 2.2 or more (i.e MiG 25)… both might be right… did Jeremy (or Bob) researched which was the most capital efficient available surplus jet fighter model (or fighter bomber, probably) that can take the heaviest load in the shape of a rocket hanging on a single pylon/attachment under its wings/belly to the highest altitude and the fastest speed to improve its deploying capabilities? I hope Bob (or probably somebody working in the same team) did it (certainly I have not done it), and they concluded the best one was the F-104 and bought all the available ones… good for them.
Bob messed up with the Mineservers… well Bob and the kids. And he always said this was his kids project. He expected people throwing money in kickstarters to be forgiving… not all. Did he sucked with keeping a communication line: YES…I would have already said good bye to my money. And that might say something about his character, yes… we are not perfect.
Have Bob lied about things in his life… starting with his PhD… well, I believe for what I read. Is that bad… well not good. But that’s part of human nature, to be expected from some people, and probably he already having consequences from this and other lies.
Does it change that he had the experience, knowledge, feelings or balls to write in a site in the internet his toughts about what the Coronavirus can bring, for free (or almost), and it looks like he got it?. No.
I like how he writes, I’ve been following him since 2001 (PhD’s experiment nights reading material) and I like his stile, and sometimes what I read makes sense. Thanks for showing us the Emperor’s news clothes, I still enjoy his writings/interviews, for what I use them for (amusement, and sometimes to dig a little further on topics). In this world of Fake News and Deep Fakes, at least he keeps a website and a name (I know, pseudonym, but a name)
Bob did not buy all the available F-104s, and there’s a simple proof that he didn’t.
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1. The only flight-worthy fleet of F-104s is currently operated by Starfighters, Inc.
2. Starfighters Inc. has been operating for many years, and CONTINUES TO OPERATE.
3. You can find out all of this at starfighters.net. On that site is a contact form where you can contact the owner of the company.
4. I contacted the owner, and he said that the company has NOT BEEN SOLD and is NOT FOR SALE.
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It was a lie, pure and simple. Cringely met with Starfighters to discuss a potential PARTNERSHIP (the same thing CubeCab is doing) but there were no term sheets signed and no money changed hands.
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Bob is a “tire-kicker”. He likes to pretend to be in aerospace, but he really isn’t.
Ok, point taken Jeremy, and it looks you did your research. For one side it makes more economical sense working a deal with somebody that offers the service (and took the risk of buying and maintaining the airplanes, and are already trying to offer services to make money) than buying a bunch of aluminum and titanium and do all the maintenance yourself (and the rockets on top of that and so on…); but Cringe might have been lying to avoid others to do similar (launching satellites to orbit from airplanes sounds cool, but does not rock my boat. However maybe others in Cali looking at options) or his friends not killing him for “spilling the beans”, or he just added a lie to add drama to the article… none of these cases make it true.
He just added a lie to add drama to the article, to make himself seem cool, and because he never thought anyone would do any fact-checking. When you’ve lived your whole life telling lies and getting away with it, why not go for another one?
Or — idk, hear me out on this one — Mark is lying, like he lied about his education, like he lied about his CV, like he lied about countless other things that are, once again, posted in the comments you’re critiquing with these capsazin-scented hot takes.
That’s not lying; that’s spin!
Telling the lie to “stop others from doing the same thing” doesn’t make much sense either, because CubeCab has been attempting to do the exact same thing, and publicly, since 2014. They are even mentioned as a partner on starfighters.net. No, it was just a lie for the sake of a lie.
“Bob called this one right, Coronavirus sucks and the economy impact is and will be huge…”
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This is the equivalent of looking in an almanac and “calling” the time of the sunrise. I’m not a prognosticator and no smarter than anyone but I saw it spread in January and “called it.” I’m actually quite surprised at how many people who would think themselves smart people don’t spend, idk, 10 minutes a day reading about the world because if you’d had you’d know this was insanely contagious and millions had first congregated at a mass luncheon and then fled Wuhan ahead of the quarantine.
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But then there’s a point where arguing with Bob’s geriatric true believers gets to be like debating other kinds of truthers.
“He expected people throwing money in kickstarters to be forgiving… not all.”
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Could you spend that 10 minutes you’re not spending reading world news and READ THE FUCKING COMMENTS YOU’RE CRITIQUING with this idiotic take?
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Cringely HIMSELF wrote an article about how “unforgiving” kickstarter backers are BEFORE he launched his own. It’s not just published on the site you’re posting on but a link is in these comments.
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https://www.cringely.com/2015/05/13/the-kickstarter-paradox/
Let’s call this prediction correct and wait for the next one. Soon I hope…
It kind of came true so hard that it wrapped around to being not true again. The prediction wasn’t nearly true enough.
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“There may not be a recession at all in the United States, because this is a Presidential election year and President Trump will likely do anything and everything he can to goose the economy to ensure his re-election. It’s going to get crazy.”
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We’re far beyond being able to “goose” the economy at this point.
This is exactly correct.
By the way, Jeremy, your series on the Amiga for Ars Technica is fabulous.
Thanks, Jason! Glad you enjoyed it.
Hey? Reimer?
I had a thought. Don’t be surprised; it happens.
Quoting you . . .
My theory is that Bob allows them because he loves the attention, because he is a narcissist. So even though people are attacking him, it’s still a form of attention, and it makes him feel more important than he really is.
More likely friends close; enemies closer.
“Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer” is a quote from The Godfather and doesn’t make much sense outside of the context of a mob boss.
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Cringely is not a mob boss. He is (was?) a journalist who covers the personal computing industry. Typically journalists’ only “enemies” would be people who they expose. In this case, Cringely has exposed himself with his own lies. It was his own fault that a) he lied and b) his lies were so trivial to prove as such (mostly it’s his own words contradicting his other words!)
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Therefore, the only real answer that makes sense for Cringely to not only allow but encourage these comments is that he suffers from narcissism. There is evidence for this– in Plane Crazy, he admits that his own therapist things he is a narcissist, and his behavior in that series backs that up completely.
*thinks
“whom”
@Ronc – “whom”
The only use of the word “who” that I could find that you might be correcting was in Jeremy’s statement: “He is (was?) a journalist who covers the personal computing industry.”
In that case, the “who” either refers to “He” (the subject), as in “Cringely, who covers the pc industry, is a journalist” or it appears as a qualifier to the word “journalist” in which case it is all one thing. In either case, “who” is correct and “whom” would be wrong.
Mind you, I am not an expert, so if I am incorrect in my analysis, I would appreciate an explanation.
“…would be people who they expose” should be “…would be people whom they expose”. Normally I don’t try to correct grammar, spelling, or punctuation, even when the error makes the meaning hard to understand. In most cases, like this one, the meaning is clear. I only commented here since Jeremy seems to care about such things, having made the unnecessary correction preceding mine (from the point of view of understanding meaning).
@Ronc — I read through that several times and totally missed that sentence. My apologies and I agree with your analysis.
+1. Started reading them 2 days ago. Nice. (sad there is no pictures anymore)
(The Amiga series in Ars Technica…)
Thanks, cp.
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The vanishing images thing happens every once in a while at Ars when they update their content management system– usually it’s just a path that changed and so the URLs need to be updated as well.
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The last time this happened, I tracked down the changed paths and emailed the main developer at Ars, and he fixed all of them with a single search/replace command in MySQL, so the pictures came back (it wasn’t just my articles, it fixed a whole bunch of older articles).
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So I might try doing the same thing again and see if it works. The pictures really add a lot to the story.
He said: “there may not be a recession”… so there may be (there is) one… but not for Trump not trying hard to do whatever he can… but he/his cabinet underestimated it and started late (everything is going fine… why bother with a cold?. I guess things became scary when the cruise boats, and Italy happened)
So today were are all scared of COVID-19 – why? Because it appeared on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram? If it were not for the COVID-19 posts can you image what would be happening – there would be a massive scare factory going about the Earth certainly being hit by three asteroids today, destroying the planet…
https://www.ibtimes.com/nasa-warns-3-asteroids-currently-headed-earth-2941791
What is social media going to do next? The truth is irrelevant, it’s all about making vast sums of money from advertising by getting eyeballs worldwide to scramble for one post to another – a nice scare factor is very profitable. If you can get the world to panic then you get richer.
FUDD but no Elmer.
Fear Uncertainty Doubt Distraction
It looks like that article is deliberately misleading since they say “All three asteroids follow Earth-intersecting orbits” but then explain about the closest one: “2020 FG is expected to approach Earth from a much closer distance compared to 2020 FH. According to CNEOS, 2020 FG will zip past the planet on March 18 at 3:35 pm EDT from a distance of about 0.00367 astronomical units or around 341,000 miles away.”
If it’s zipping past the Earth, that’s all that’s important to me. Sounds like a good reason for me to avoid reading IBT.
We are scared because:
* There is full agreement among the world’s leading epidemiologists, medical experts, and scientific researchers that we should be scared, and that social distancing is vitally necessary.
* We see hospital systems overloaded and unable to cope in Italy, and fast getting that way in other countries.
* Infections are rising exponentially, even though lack of testing means that large numbers are not being identified.
Everyone with a brain, who is able to distinguish fact from fiction, is taking action on social distancing. The morons who ignore this are endangering many other people besides themselves.
Stay… the heck… at home… for a while. If not for you, for your elders. (but if you are 50+ YO, you might begin to worry more…)
COVID-19 death rate is only 2.3% but it goes as high as 49% for critically ill and 14.8% for ages 80+.
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/study-72000-covid-19-patients-finds-23-death-rate
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https://www.sciencealert.com/covid-19-s-death-rate-is-higher-than-thought-but-it-should-drop
What I don’t understand is how politicians think that society can function if you order 90% of the population to stay at homes/apartments. $ 1,000 they plan to give to each citizen in real life can’t last a week not 3-4 months that is prediction this thing will last based on Chinese experience.
Money is a joke – they just print it as much as they need. No wonder that toilet paper is harder to find than real money.
https://science.slashdot.org/story/20/03/19/1639259/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says
99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says
https://science.slashdot.org/story/20/03/19/1639259/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says
Civilization is a veneer that strips off more quickly than we like to admit. Meanwhile, teenagers are Spring Breaking their brains out in Ft. Lauderdale. Plus ça change…
Well, I had to look it up “plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose”, which is true, and further confirmed by googling “engineering students” “on spring break”.
It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
But I wanted to be President!
Lol pathetic boomer retard, US has been in recession for literally years when this virus thing struck.
People with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) are characterized by the personality traits of persistent grandiosity, an excessive need for admiration, and a personal disdain and lack of empathy for other people. As such, the person with NPD usually displays arrogance and a distorted sense of personal superiority, and seeks to establish abusive power and control over others.Self-confidence (a strong sense of self) is a personality trait different from the traits of narcissistic personality disorder; thus, people with NPD typically value themselves over others, to the extent of openly disregarding the wishes and feelings of anyone else, and expect to be treated as superior, regardless of their actual status or achievements.Socially, the person with narcissistic personality disorder usually exhibits a fragile ego (self-concept), intolerance of criticism, and a tendency to belittle other people, in order to validate his or her own superiority.
Cringely’s US-centric worldview is coming back to bite him.
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I’ve been isolating and haven’t seen an escort client for weeks. I’ve had plenty of calls including from regulars who wanted to get one in before mandatory lockdowns but I couldn’t bring myself to see them. This has lost me so much money I don’t want to think about it but you can’t spend it from six feet under. It’s really shame as most of my calls were from top clients. My offer is I’m more than just a fuck and I guess they wanted emotional reassurance during this difficult time. It hurts quite a bit as I like their company. It just wouldn’t be right plus I still want them to be around for after and no not just for the money. I’m not that mercenary.
Perhaps, if what they really want is quality time, a skype or zoom session would suffice? It could be at least some income for you and some solace for them.
Comment filters being a pest again…
You want an answer its simple……yeah its a 9/11 but when did America really listen to anything? come on get real,like its European counterparts American citizens only understand one thing…yes …consumerism..thats it…ok not everyone but most…an average citizens cares about one thing only and that is themselves nobody else does and that goes for Europeans.In reality its get the bills paid but basically the West as they say has lost it and when we say lost it we mean completely lost it,decades ago money had a value OK…now its completely and utterly worthless like ZILCH GONE .Its easy to explain but countries like China,Russia,Cuba,North Korea only understand one thing that the Americans do shoot first .Lifes never changed on this planet THATS IT and were not even talking about Arabs and Muslims .The chipsets gone the WEST is slotted the New World order is crumbling and shifting in its power structure.The first sledge hammer blow came with hypersonic missiles forget it Uncle Sam your just another p.pot your dust FAG ASH GANGSTAS YOUVE HAD YOUR DAY POOCH>>>FLEA POOP GONE FOREVER the Russians and Chines can completely remove America but the Americand casnt wipe out everyone else there woul;d still be some left thats it JUST DONT ARGUE POOCHES.Then theres printing/counterfit money what do you think China and Russia have been up to??? Printing British pounds and dumping them in countries that America has no control over..COVID 19? the collapse of the British Economy due to its ciurrency being replicated and its secret service belonging to South American drug cartels FORGET IT.The economy has cracked so they turn up the voltage on the microwave sets.COVID 19 is a designed biological weapon its being used because they have to work out what to do as a new world order next…YOUR completely blind if you cant see this .Dont take offense IM not so much anti American but your Governmemts beyond a joke impeachment result was a form of schizophrenia and right wing woopy.SPY BYE AMERICA WAKE UP ITS TIME TO FRY!!!!!
America is TRASH the “T” in Trump stands for trash……American is a ZOONY BIN filled with Trash..yt talks trash it eats trash it is trash…TTTTTRRRRAAASSSSSHHHHHHHH.
The biggest thing since WIKILEAKS is Dark Politricks and London CT Publishing everything else is TRASH.
Wooooooooo……Political comment mannnnn