How is a television like a fax machine? They are both obsolete.
Remember a time when nobody had a fax machine? Then suddenly everybody had a fax machine. And now nobody again has a fax machine. What would have previously come by fax today is a PDF attachment to an e-mail or text or to one of a number of messaging services. Well the same transformation is happening to traditional television and for generally similar reasons. And just as fax machines seemed to disappear in just a few years, I’ll be surprised if broadcast TV in the U.S. survives another decade.
Technology transformations are like murders: they require motive, method, and opportunity. In the case of the fax machine, everyone already had a phone line (that’s opportunity), my reader June Dilevsky’s father invented the modern digital fax machine for his startup that failed and so the startup was eventually acquired by Ricoh (that’s method), and the result was unattended business communication that was faster and cheaper than the Post Office while still creating a paper trail (that’s motive).
Every business got a fax machine when the cost of not having a fax machine came to exceed the cost of having one. Part of that was driven by the declining cost of fax machines, themselves, part was driven by peer pressure (What, you don’t have a fax machine???) and the rest was just the relentless acceleration of business.
I got my first home fax machine on January 28, 1986 — the day the Space Shuttle Challenger exploded. Given my relatively slow technology assimilation (my present notebook is a MacBook Pro from 2010) I can argue that date was the true beginning of the end for faxes.
The beginning of the end, you see, is also the end of the beginning.
There are unintended consequences of such revolutions. The fax machine boom, for example, led to huge growth in the number of telephone area codes as demand for fax lines ran phone companies completely out of local numbers. So we added new area codes and now some of those codes are disappearing again as we give up fax lines, give up land lines in general (I don’t have one), and even the massive growth of mobile numbers hasn’t been quite able to take up the slack.
Now let’s apply the same principles to television. At first there was broadcast TV, which was itself an outgrowth of radio. TV was radio with pictures and became a big business starting at the end of the 1940s. By the 1970s we added Cable TV, which grew out of a failure of the broadcast model. Rural communities didn’t have high enough viewer density to support their own TV stations because the TV infrastructure and program pipeline cost about 10 times more than radio. So where I could work back in 1973 at WWST-AM radio in Wooster, Ohio with its mighty 1000 daytime watts (32 watts after sunset) and audience of at most 40,000 listeners, it probably took 400,000 potential viewers to support a broadcast TV station. Cable TV began as a big community TV antenna on some local hill and we paid a few dollars per month to the antenna operator to bring us the same signal we could have got for free had we lived a few miles closer to the big city or atop a hill.
It didn’t happen right away, but cable TV eventually enabled non-broadcast dedicated cable channels like CNN and home shopping that made possible the next phase of the TV revolution. Where I grew up with three broadcast TV channels, that analog TV cable could carry at least 25 and sometimes a many as 40 different channels that — because their electrons didn’t fly through the air — were much less subject to regulation by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). Swearing and nudity reached American TV screens by cable. So did religion and that other religion — binged sports. And in a chicken-and-egg problem they resolved in a whole new way, cable carriers found that the more they paid cable channels to join their systems, the more they could charge viewers to access those systems.
It became more important for their image on Wall Street for cable companies to add new subscribers (the companies came to be valued on a per-subscriber basis) than to make money from those subscribers. So content costs grew and grew, sending cable companies looking for new profit centers.
Along came the Internet. Becoming Internet Service Providers (ISPs) on top of offering TV channels gave cable operators a whole new way to make money. And this time they didn’t have to share any of their subscription fees with the providers of Internet content. Ultimately the Internet actually became the cable business as dozens more cable channels were added and video programming costs grew to consume all subscriber revenue. At that moment (this was in the early 2000s) cable TV carriers that offered Internet service had actually turned into ISPs that offered TV service. All their profit was on the Internet side. Or on the TV content side for those ISPs that actually produced shows. That’s why Comcast, America’s largest cable carrier and ISP, bought NBC/Universal so it would be effectively paying itself for content, as well as being paid for that content by Comcast’s cable TV rivals.
Can you see the evolution of content and carriage that is happening here? It became obvious to me that cable TV carriers and even telephone companies were becoming schleppers of bits. And bits — unlike TV shows and movies — were a commodity, with no electron worth more than any other. In time the ISPs would become content agnostic and the content providers would eventually do business directly with consumers. I wrote this for the first time right here back in 2004 when I thought it would take at most a decade to happen.
That was 15 years ago and we’re only just now getting close to realizing that dream (or nightmare, depending on where you live in the video ecosystem). Netflix and its imitators took 20 years to subvert both the broadcast and cable TV models. But now the process is really starting to wind-up like an inward-turning spiral (or a flushing toilet).
Here is what will happen in the next five years for what we think of as television. Right now we are in a probably unsustainable growth of TV production. Netflix, Disney (Hulu), Apple, AT&T, Comcast and a dozen other companies are working on original content, adding $20 billion per year to a production industry that was already wealthy at $10 billion. Each of these over-the-top (OTT) networks will go direct to consumers and some will also have commercials. Most new OTT networks will fail, eventually returning the production ecosystem to something more normal after the current bubble pops. But their demand for more bandwidth will never decline.
What’s missing here are the traditional basic cable channels. What will happen with them? And what of the broadcast networks, themselves? That all depends on 5G.
5G wireless networking, as I’ve written here before, has pretty much nothing to do with mobile phones. It has to do with replacing every other kind of data network with 5G wireless. No more land lines, no more cable systems, no more wires. Going all-wireless almost completely eliminates customer-facing labor. No more guy with a tool belt to keep you waiting for service. No more truck rolls.
There will be 5G and there will be content, that’s all. Content can mean a phone call or a movie, a game, or anything else that involves electrons in motion. And given that we’ll all have voracious and completely different demands for high-resolution content, 5G will suck-up all available bandwidth and then some.
Legacy broadcast license holders like broadcast TV and radio stations will sell their airspace to 5G carriers and retire to Florida. They’ll get offers they can’t refuse.
Linear programming may only survive for sports and gambling, which might become more important than ever as a result.
Cable TV packages will fall apart with every network fighting for itself in an al la carte programming world. I’m not saying TV will get better, but it will become even more varied, which is probably good. And in a content market that is suddenly global, even the tiniest channel will have a chance to thrive if it can find and please its viewers. Just look at YouTube for that.
And like the nofax-fax-nofax transition, this endgame process will be mainly driven by economics against tradition and emotion. There’s nothing sacrosanct about a broadcast network paradigm that we’ve been riding for a century. This too shall pass.
And, like the Berlin Wall, when the broadcast and cable TV models collapse, they will do so in what will seem to policy-makers to be an instant.
5G is short range though, so while the high density populations will be fine, the rest won’t get it.
AT&T is trying very hard to lose its copper customers, and POTS has the highest consumer protections of the bunch.
I would certainly welcome a cable TV model that allowed a la carte service. It might even help the Cable companies make some money, too. If they could stand their subscriber numbers changing, that is.
As it stands, most of your subscriber money goes directly to the likes of ESPN and other sports channels — even if you don’t watch them.
It’s ridiculous today to pay $100-200 a month when you only really watch 5-10 channels. If CNN, FoxNews and the Weather Channel all went streaming, I’d probably cut my cable service entirely — other than for internet.
But will 5G do anything to promote competition and bring fast and cheap Internet access to the US? Will 5G be extended to rural areas in the US? I don’t think so.
I don’t think that this will end well – I quit cable TV years ago and I gave up streaming when I realized that everything I watched was being recorded and used to “sell” me to advertisers. These days I just watch DVD’s, I’m done with being a chicken plucked by all the advertisers.
We will still have TVs but the method of content delivery will change. I wish they would hurry up and build all streaming apps into new TVs so I don’t have to have dongles hanging out the back and stream it fro my computer.
Mark is, as usual, ignoring any points that disagree with him. Fax is still very prevalent in the the medical profession:
https://www.vox.com/health-care/2017/10/30/16228054/american-medical-system-fax-machines-why
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Mark also seems to have given up on IBM layoffs:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/06/06/ibm-layoffs-company-laying-off-more-than-1-000-employees/1376115001/
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Or the death of computer pioneer Bill Godbout in the same NorCalfire where he “claims” his house was destroyed
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/18/bill_godbout_obituary/
But as we’ve already seen, the manufacturers of TV’s aren’t interested in keeping software up to date on their “smart” TV’s. An external box – AppleTV, as one example of many – is the better way to go.
At least the external boxes get software updates and new features over time. And replacing a $50-$150 external box is far cheaper and easier than a $500-$1500 TV.
Yay! Cringely is back!
Personally, I cut the cable cord ten years ago and never looked back. To this day when I visit someone’s house and they are watching cable TV I am stupefied. Why would anyone watch television where you can’t control what you’re watching, can’t find interesting content, can’t pause, and constantly get interrupted by idiotic advertisements?
It’s not like the content on cable TV is particularly good. Cable news channels are dreck, full of idiots yelling at each other 24-7, providing zero insight or information. Traditional sports are slow and boring, and commercial breaks take longer than the game itself. Network TV dramas are dumbed-down to appeal to the lowest-common-denominator viewer. Network comedies rely on laugh tracks and lame jokes.
Between Netflix, Amazon Prime, and HBO, I have more than enough high-budget content to watch. I’ve switched almost entirely to watching esports, which are faster and more engaging, and have a personal feel that was always missing from traditional sports. I get solid laughs every single night watching the Game Grumps and other shows on YouTube.
I could never go back to cable TV. It would be like going back to dial-up modems. Or MS-DOS.
No 5G in rural areas for a while. I currently have only Geosynchronous satellite internet, because no company can justify the cost of putting up towers in my rural area of Colorado. The satellite internet works, but it is unreliable and slow, with serious data caps while charging an exorbitant price. For 5G to come to this area, the state government is going to have to give companies incentives to develop the infrastructure. In fact, it would be best for the state to build and own the infrastructure itself (not likely to happen).
I’m penning my hopes on internet access based on LEO satellite systems like SpaceX’s Starlink. If Starlink works, I think it will be a good choice for rural areas. It should also be a good choice for mobile applications (such as your car), so one could provide full-blown internet access through the always available Starlink system and also provide cell phone service through Starlink using WiFi calling. As such, it would be an indirect competitor to 5G connectivity.
No kidding. Watching football with my F.I.L. is so frustrating … to the point that I have a mantra about it: “30 seconds of football, 2 minutes of commercials … 30 seconds of football, 2 minutes of commercials … 30 seconds of football, 2 minutes of commercials … 30 seconds of football, 2 minutes of commercials …”
I’m not joking, either. I’m frankly insulted when the game returns from a commercial break, and LITERALLY THIRTY FUCKING SECONDS LATER the game pauses AGAIN for more commercials. Shoot, I’d rather watch my nephews play Madden NFL than a real live game.
People ask me who I think will win , and stare blankly as I answer, “Pepsi. Geico. Taco Bell. Doritos. Coca-cola. Progressive.” They’ll reply, “Oh, you mean the ads? No I mean, who will win the game?” to which I reply, “That’s what I meant.” The real winner of the football game in a real meaningful sense is the advertisers. That’s the real competition, and that’s where the real money goes (producing a 30-second spot costs a lot of money, and they certainly expect a return on it *). The sports teams, and their competition on the playing field? Peanuts in comparison. If you really care about watching a game, go find a local little league or something. Plenty more exciting, you’re not the product being sold (to advertisers), and you’ll even get some fresh air and vitamin D for your trouble.
* Dave Ramsey showed the math on this, once. I forget the specifics, but for a normal ad (not superbowl), companies spend like $20,000 per second to produce the ad. The actual television show the ad is inserted into, the production cost is something like $10,000 per second. Literally the various producers are spending twice as money on advertising as on content … and remember, this money gets results: better writing, better scoring, better directing, better talent all around … on the ADS, not the content. Because when it comes to content, you are more often the product and not the consumer.
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I’m seeing more from Google hyping its new Stadia setup. I was unhappy to see it announced, and less and less pleased to see it grow. See my own prediction / rant and subsequent discussion here.
I repeat – this should enable virtual reality beyond anyone’s dreams, and it should kill the game console market, and wtf is Google doing in this business anyway? They’re supposed to “organize the world’s information”, not kill Nintendo and Xbox. From a business standpoint, I get why they’re doing it. But Google was supposed to be better than this … and their Californian employees certainly like to act like they’re so much more enlightened (remember when Doug Edwards begged Obama to raise his taxes? yes, you read that right).
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“Legacy broadcast license holders like broadcast TV and radio stations will sell their airspace to 5G carriers and retire to Florida.”
The idea that license holders should be able to sell property of the public which they have never owned, but only been allowed to use, is outrageous.
“Anything you plan will cost more and take longer.” — Corollary to Murphy’s Law
“It’s at least thirty years to ubiquity.” — an old friend of mine involved in IT since the 1980s and whether she heard it somewhere or thought it up herself I have no idea…
Just about every AIO printer has built in fax IF the owner plugs it into a phone line.
Who uses fax technology today?
Medical profession, Insurance agents, financial institutions, banks, CPA’s, even the local Massey Ferguson tractor dealer down the road. Standalone fax machines are pretty much history but the technology continues to be embraced by many for multiple reasons.
Companies rolling out 5g will cherry pick the most profitable regions for deployment, just like TV, Radio, cable companies, and more unless the government. Cable TV will be killed off by lack of quality content. Turn off the auto recording DVR for a moment and scan what is on those hundreds of stations you pay hundreds of dollars each month for. Eighty percent of what I see listed is repeats, very old repeats, single show binge repeats for weeks, months, years, perhaps interrupted in the wee hours by infomercials, extremist talk shows, QVC and its clones, Holy Rollers looking for your cash (based on the Reverend Ike model). and the ever present dysfunctional family, person, group reality shows.
Crap is king give us dirty laundry and Max Headroom. That is what will kill off TV, not technology, lack of intelligent and varied content.
“When television is good, nothing — not the theater, not the magazines or newspapers — nothing is better. But when television is bad, nothing is worse. I invite each of you to sit down in front of your television set when your station goes on the air and stay there for a day without a book, without a magazine, without a newspaper, without a profit and loss sheet or a rating book to distract you. Keep your eyes glued to that set until the station signs off. I can assure you that what you will observe is a vast wasteland.” – Newton Minnow May 9, 1961.
Minnow was right…..and the wasteland is completely out of control.
Fax is dead…long live the Fax.
There have been a few years now where the fax machine was left cooling in the corner (after a lot of use working from home). But lately my aging mother is seeing all kinds of health care providers and the fax is kept pretty warm. I’m glad I kept the land line and auto-answering fax, it saves me a lot of travel & postal-mail to doctor offices, hospitals, lawyers and insurance offices–they will take fax (including legal signatures) and they very specifically will not take email with attached scans. Several have commented that fax is more secure than internet and they are all worried about slipping up and getting hit with a HIPAA violation.
@Howard I’ve been blocked from posting by Bob, per usual. Please see the attached and let me know what you think. I value the conversation/angle you provide. Cheers.
Good to hear from you good friend.
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It is interesting to note PBS is absent from Internet streaming services, eg YouTube.TV. They seem to think OTA broadcasting is the only way to go.
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I have come to the conclusion the new HD broadcast TV standard ATSC has been a disaster. I live IN a metropolitan area. I can receive 2 stations well. 2 stations are “iffy.” I can’t receive 2 stations at all. If I put in a good antenna on the roof, hooked it to a good amp, and fed the signal by coax to all the TV’s in my house I could get all 6 stations. That is in a metro area. My neighbors in rural areas really can’t get OTA reception. The effect reception area with ATSC is about 1/10th of the old NTSC system.
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Running a broadcast radio or TV station is expensive. Maybe we’re going about this the wrong way. I have an idea. It starts with everyone feeding digital streams of their broadcasts to a community service. The service streams it over the Internet to homes in the region, but not the whole Internet. The service also broadcasts OTA a single digital service with everyone’s content. We through away the idea of everyone having transmitters and ATSC, and go back to the original community TV concept using digital instead of analog. It could even be a multicast type of digital stream…
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The good folks at SiliconDust have announced some new cord cutting products. It is good firms like them are rethinking how television could work and are producing innovative products.
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Best wishes good friend.
I have been wanting to cut the cord for years but replacing $60/month in cable tv with $60/month in streaming services just hasn’t made sense yet. Yes, there’s lots of free streaming but they all force ads that I can skip with my dvr with cable service. The promise of streaming has been almost completely negated by the reality of forced ads and exclusive content.
Reply to: Mineserver June 7, 2019 at 10:49 am
Medical Profession / FAX — This industry is woefully behind the rest of the world in record keeping and communications. Not a good example to argue the value or future of the FAX.
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IBM / Layoffs — Mr. Cringely sacrificed much to help IBM and the 1000’s of employee who lost their jobs over the last 15 years. IBM is only interested in pleasing Wall Street. The US Government won’t enforce its labor laws. Nothing is going to change until IBM is held legally and financially accountable for their actions. More columns on IBM is pointless.
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NorCalFire — Be very careful on this one! I know where Mr. Cringely lived. I have visited him in his home. I know where the fires hit. He and his family have suffered greatly. I am sorry his Mineserver project did not work. To keep kicking someone who has suffered so much over $99 is well, despicable.
Perhaps I am an anomaly; we live in a rural area (unpaved roads, well, septic tank) with the closest cable drop 15km away but we are on an LTE network from our ISP.
@John – I have not commented on this blog but I needed to respond to your reply to NorCalFire.
I do not dispute Mr. Cringley having suffered from the fire or his other misfortunes. What is despicable is that he will not simply put the matter to bed once and for all with a statement along the lines of
“To my Mineserver backers, I am sorry but due to matters beyond my control the project has failed and will not see the light of day. I appreciate the trust you placed in me in becoming a backer and am sorry to have to disappoint. I also apologize for not communicating this state of affairs earlier and in the appropriate forum on Kickstarter.com.”
@HeCouldAtLeastSaySo
I agree. It could have been handled better. We all have faults. When someone messes up, there is an appropriate amount of feedback. I think its better for each of us to focus on our own faults and try to become better people. Pursing a multi-year vendetta helps no one.
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This blog used to be a great place to learn. Over the years I think I’ve learned more from the reader responses than I have from Bob. We’ve lost something good. I would like to see it resurrected, if possible. Over the last few years technology has been used to harm our democracy, our society, and each of us individually. One of the better columnist in the field has been effectively silenced.
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I don;’t know what you or Bob’s other readers want. I would like to see thought provoking columns on how social media has been used to harm democracies and governments around the world, how cyber thefts have harmed our economy, robocalls, how much of our personal information has been stolen and how it is now being used to exploit us. An apology would be good too. We need to bring this dark chapter to an end and move on.
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Thank you @HeCouldAtLeastSaySo. I genuinely appreciate your reply.
5G is modern snake oil. I’d settle for decent 4G coverage in rural areas.
SpaceX’s Starlink (or one of the competitors) will be the only hope for fast internet in the rural areas.
IBM acquired Red Hat the way AOL acquired Time Warner. Red Hat is driving because that’s the sustainable business model the money comes from. The question is how long IBM takes to stop interfering.
For those that don’t get PBS on their streaming platform, checkout the Locast app, free local channels streamed.
Why is everyone missing the significance of Information Centric Networking’s rollout with 5G? Don’t people understand this can and probably will doom the network effect monopolies on content like Youtube?
Does that mean free television gone? What am I going to do with my antenna?
You can get PBS OTT, they have their own streaming service called PBS Passport. There is a great deal of content available, including current shows. You do have to be a PBS contributor to get access to some content, but you can also access it through Amazon Prime, VuDu and iTunes.
There are still some luddite segments that insist on Facsimile. I can understand the security aspect, but if you have to resend a couple times because they can’t read it, the frustration level builds. I attribute it to a basic non-understanding of the technology and how little resolution you actually get out of the typical transmission. While I have my trusty HP Color LaserJet AIO, typically the fax portion only gets used once a month when my wife sends her expense reimbursement request to her employer, a very large well-known company. It’s the only way she can do it.
As far as 5G, all of the telecoms already participate in the rural broadband initiative, where they get a grant from the Feds to build it out. We all pay for it on our landline and mobile phone bills. Just because it hasn’t gotten to you yet is more of a reflection of your lack of engagement with your congressional representative. It will take years to see the benefits in most places for 5G, even in metro areas. And of course we are just now seeing noise about suspected health effects.
I just added a rabbit ear antenna for my friend, about 20+ miles from South Mountain here in Phoenix, and she sees about 15-20 channels, including some subs. I’m about to add an external directional antenna to augment my DirecTV, and prepare for my own cord-cutting.
[…] that we’ll all have voracious and completely different demands for high-resolution content, 5G will suck-up all available bandwidth and then some. Legacy broadcast license holders like broadcast TV and radio stations will sell their airspace to […]
… Except that “even the tiniest channel” will *NOT* get the chance to thrive, for three reasons:
1) Only promoted content will ever be surfaced or seen, which means every content generator consolidates into one of the big conglomerates, or goes out of business, because promotion costs money and the people with money in hand can afford to raise that bar infinitely until everyone else drowns and the rich folk own the market. The music industry and its utter domination by Salesforce.com-algorithmically generated content is a perfect example of this. Yes of course indie exists but few or no indie activities have name recognition precisely because of the promotion cost issue.
2) Look at what happened to radio, or perhaps I should say “Look at Clear Channel and their employee-free Internet-streaming-device-to-radio-broadcast-tower saturation of the US free-to-air radio market”. This will only be worse in your imagined world of 5G-as-the-only-distribution-medium, which as a non-broadcast medium has the additional incredibly damaging characteristics of a) metering (pay for X songs! pay for Y megabytes!) and b) access control (subscribe to X or you can’t see any of it!). It also has at least one more undesirable characteristic which is c) tracking (what you listen to, when and where you listen to it, and on what devices) – but that doesn’t directly affect the topic I was talking about, it’s just another horrific side-effect of a marketing plague run wild. TL;DR – distribution will get consolidated and the pipe-owners will have the ability and incentive to ensure their preferred kickback content is what people are listening to and watching.
3) Everything, and I mean everything, is sliced and carved and vivisected into markets protected by geoblocks, because price discrimination is the road to profit maximization. This means that a given piece of content competes with different things in different markets, and that also means that many pieces of content simply won’t be worth licensing for certain markets. Until quite recently, a good example of this was “why is it so damn difficult to get anything but the most popular BBC programming in the USA, via streaming?”. I see no evidence that the content owners are moving towards a DRM-free, or at least region-free model in which anyone, anywhere can surface any content and watch it.
Pretty insightful article. Fascinating comments too. IPTV and VPN services may well circumvent content providers who want to geo block
Its likely, as with most things, the method of receiving the content may change, but the production of it will remain. Repeat sitcoms, old movies, all have merit, the age groups of interest and nostalgia just changes. We have no plans to stop making content, or broadcasting for others by making m3u8 linear feeds, that can play on any device (30a.media)
If you haven’t realized mineserver is dead on your own, you’re an idiot.
This “prediction” could have been written anytime over the past five years. I cannot think of anything in this which I haven’t read before more than once. It’s also yet another article about America and misses the rest of the planet.
Bill Coleman, you can already get CNN and Fox News live on Youtube.
For contrast — at this time, I like and need “ordinary cable TV”. My elderly mother is invalid and nearly blind. Except for phone calls, she can only deal with cable TV. She can operate the remote to turn the TV on/off, and to adjust the volume, and she can sort of punch in the channel numbers on the remote keypad to get the shows she likes at each particular time of day. (Some of the time she can’t get the right numbers, or punch them in within the short timeout the remote/box need to change channels, and then someone may have to dial for her.) If she accidentally punches the wrong buttons on the remote — she gets put into modes where “The TV doesn’t work”, and I have to wander over to help her. Her problem is she can’t see the screen, so she doesn’t know what mode she got herself into, so she can’t self-correct. (I can, so I press the right couple of buttons and fix things quickly.)
But she can’t tolerate a “smart TV” setup — she can’t select from multiple inputs like Amazon Fire TV or Roku, or change apps to Hulu or Netflix, or search the menus looking for something to watch, because she can’t see the screen (very well), and the voice-controlled remotes are slightly beyond her capabilities at this time. I can — but most of the time the TV behind me is just on for background noise, and I don’t necessarily tune around that much (I’m working). So most of the time Cable TV still works for me, and I’ll be very sorry to lose it, primarily because my mother needs it.
Does that mean free television gone? What am I going to do with my antenna?
… re-form the metal into an improved version of a tinfoil helmet?
For the rural folks – FirstNet will expand wireless/5g coverage. ATT already sells fixed wireless internet.
It’s the “death by a thousand cuts” that I saw coming and despise. Even smaller providers are creating their own subscription content apps. This $10-$20 each adds up to more than a $200-a-month cable bill. Yet each is holding its content hostage and often streaming ads into a for-pay service.
As with traffic stops: Lecture or ticket but don’t do both.
Everyone wants a piece of Netflix and, while cutting the cable is laudable, the costs of distribution fragmentation will eventually break the backs of consumers (which will either lead to the bubble bursting or be nipping on the heels of same).
@Scott “If you haven’t realized mineserver is dead on your own, you’re an idiot.”
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You should tell Bob. He keeps posting updates every year or so saying the opposite. He likes to “discuss” all of these top secret plans to turn the whole thing around and make it a reality without divulging any information. The backers have more or less conceded that the project is dead, we’re just all waiting for Bob to admit this (and more importantly – inform the 90% of the backers on KickStarter who HAVEN’T migrated to this blog).
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Feel free to let Bob know our demands since he isn’t listening to us. I for one don’t plan on going anywhere until he swallows his pride and admits defeat. People can tell me I’m wasting my life, I don’t give a fuck. It’s my life and I’ll waste it where I see fit. Just like Bob is content to waste all of your time by letting this linger and not pulling the plug. He’s welcome to put an end to this stupidity whenever he feels like getting off his ass and putting everyone out of their misery.
A few interesting facts about FAX technology;
– Fax technology was invented and patented before the telephone!
– In the 1930s there were many fax radio stations set up in the USA and they would broadcast news that was printed out on home-based ‘fax machines’ at the rate of about 1500 words an hour. Cool technology, way too far ahead of its time that failed so hard that very few people even know of its existence.
Stuff freely available on youtube beats cable or steaming services like NetFlix.
Sadly youtube has become fascist. Still there are alternatives like bitchute.
There are two aspects of 5G. One of them will be important to phones. The other will not.
The part that matters on phones is the next generation protocol. It will allow somewhat higher data speeds on the existing phone spectrum (ranging from 600 MHz to 2600 MHz), higher network capacity (thus supporting more users without needing more spectrum or more towers), and most importantly reduced latency. The last matters for interactive applications such as online games. When the technology becomes mainstream we will see providers moving more and more of the spectrum to 5G, just as we saw them shift it from 3G to 4G recently, from 2G to 3G earlier, and way back in the dark ages from AMPS (analog cell service) to GSM or CDMA.
The part that doesn’t matter so much is ultrabroadband wireless – speeds in the hundreds of megabits or gigabits per second. There isn’t much that anybody will do with a phone in the foreseeable future that will consume data that quickly, mostly because the screen is too small. Watching 4K video on a phone (typically 25Mbps) is already kind of pointless and 4G can already handle that. Watching 8K video (which will be 100Mbps if similar compression continues to be used) will be even more pointless. We might see higher bandwidth in the form of high frame rate video, but I don’t see video at rates higher than 100Mbps being used for phones. Similarly, we don’t use applications that consume multiple gigabytes of storage on a phone and probably never will. UBB will be huge for home and office gateways, and for laptops and possibly AR glasses, but not so much for phones.
It’s true that all the public demonstrations of super high speed 5G so far have used phones. That’s because phones are easy to carry to the tiny pockets of real estate where the service actually works, not because they are a practical use of the technology.
One possible exception is if phones are used as hotspots to provide high speed internet to other devices like laptops that can actually use the speed. (The other devices would use WiFi to connect to the phone.) That will be popular in the short term because the initial devices will be expensive and people will only want to have one, and if wireless carriers continue to charge by the number of devices subscribed (rather than by the amount of data used) it will continue to be popular. If we see a shift toward a price model more like Google Fi (what you pay depends on the total amount of data used; additional data SIMs are free), we will instead see ultra-speed 5G built into laptops, tablets, and future devices like AR glasses.
@John — If this is the house you visited, then it seems it did not burn (although there was likely some smoke damage). Perhaps you might want to let Crookely know he can go home.
As has been said many times before, it’s not about the money. It’s about the complete and utter lack of integrity. Crookely has posted nothing where he is obligated to do so — kickstarter.com — but instead berates and belittles his backers here. Hence the appearance, here, of said backers.
“How is a television like a fax machine? They are both obsolete.”
First, fax machines are not yet obsolete (they are still common in the banking and mortgage industries).
Second, televisions have been obsolete for quite a while, but not in the way you think. It was some time ago that the notion of a receiver+screen became obsolete, to be replaced by an over-sized monitor with one or more inputs. Instead of an all-in-one unit, requiring nothing more than power, they are simply output devices for cable boxes, VCRs/DVD players, streaming devices (Roku), computers, and so on.
Sure, they’re still called televisions, but even if they do include a tuner, most people simply don’t use them. You change inputs and, possibly, adjust the volume (but, really, who doesn’t have their system hooked up to a soundbar or stereo if they watch a lot of TV?) but that’s about it. Changing channels happens on your cable remote and every other device has its own remote as well.
So, yes, the television, as it was originally conceived and implemented, is obsolete; what we call a television now is simply a large, low-resolution monitor.
5G isn’t going to happen, because “no wires” isn’t going to happen, because as long as anything is wireless, borders can’t be locked, and the next megatrend is going to be all about locking borders, the consequences of open borders having far outstripped what humans can comprehend or tolerate.
Two hundred years ago, it was universally understood that neither persons, nor goods, nor money, *nor*information* should *routinely* cross any national border. Not that it never happened, but that each such instance *in*principle* required scrutiny at sovereign level (in practice, delegated).
That understanding was correct and necessary and today it is therefore beginning to be regained. But the key is that if information is allowed to cross borders (without scrutiny), then it doesn’t matter whether or not anything else is. Accordingly, in order to regain control of national borders, all RF-based technology is going to have to be scrapped. So far from “no wires”, it will be wires-only. Sorry, Signor Marconi….
“…the unnecessariness of broadcasting, the urgency of postage…”
Fax machines only linger on in banking (and a few other businesses) for legal reasons. For some idiotic reason, the law recognizes a faxed copy of a document as legally valid, but does not recognize a scanned and emailed document. That’s true even if the fax was sent by a service like eFax that uses a file done on a computer scanner, which is IDENTICAL to the emailed one! Make the laws sane and all the fax machines will disappear in a week.
OTA TV seems far from dead, just changed. In the SF Bay Area I’d guess we now get over 100 stations. Lots of local Chinese, Korean, maybe Vietnamese, Spanish language stations. Other channels showing old movies and old TV shows. None of these are capturing a major share like the old networks, but they do serve an audience and they seem to be thriving.
I still send two or three FAX’s per year for health insurance paperwork. Just more proof at how barbaric the American healthcare accounting is.
So Bob got his MacBook Pro from 2010 (October 31, 2016 – “I’m writing this on a mid-2010 non-Retina 13-inch MacBook Pro I bought six years ago last June”) back (“my present notebook is a MacBook Pro from 2010”) when he says (October 13, 2017) “We left with what clothes we could grab. I forgot my computer” and then continued (October 30, 2017) “So I bought an ancient IBM ThinkPad from MacDaddy Computer Repair”?
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I only come here for the comments, to be honest.
Bob has lost all credibility in his predictions, as well as personally. There was a time when he knew the industry leaders and spoke to insiders. Then his articles were worth reading, but now he’s out of the loop – just one more guy making wild guesses and trying to find something interesting to say.
So, now that TV and fax are dead, can we finally hear about them MineServers, please? Are they dead? burned? evaporated?
@Shirley Dulcey: I heard this many years ago by former staffers, but think it might still be true: politicians really respond to getting faxes from constituents, more so than emails. The AOCs notwithstanding, the average age of Congress is still pretty old (school). So too is their technology.
Some points:
1. No one under 35 watches TV or listens to the radio anymore. AT ALL. My young adult children mock me for watching even the evening news. They also mock me because I listen to the radio. I’m over 50, grew up on the radio, but that’s not how it works anymore. They all stream from their phones, Spotify, iHeartRadio, Apple Music, and even Alexa and Google are getting in the game. GenZ hates advertising, in general. OPPORTUNITY: For Roku or Amazon, find a way to allow the stations/content provider to price their content, either by channel or by show/event. Allow them to price it as they wish with your markup, and then offer it ALL. You just take your cut. I also see an explosion of pay-per-view for sports events like the Super Bowl. Prediction: In 5 years, the Super Bowl will cost $5 per household (or more) to watch through your streaming provider.
2. I agree with you that Content is King. But, I have a question. Why does HBO have to own Game of Thrones or Westworld? If there’s a marketing channel to provide the content, why don’t the producers of these shows skip HBO entirely and put the content out themselves? Yes, Kanye did try to make his own version of iTunes, but really, what are they adding in value? OPPORTUNITY: If you built option #1, why not just offer your series directly on the Roku and don’t pay HBO, Netflix, AMC, NBC, ABC for distribution?
3. I disagree with you on content. Content is not a bubble. What is a bubble are the costs to product content. I think there’s an explosion because of competition. If DIsney is going to have their own streaming service in a year (they won’t, it will be more like 3 years), then it makes sense that Netflix has to come up with it’s own content and the content to date has been very good. House of Cards, for example. I think production costs will come down. I also think that many smaller companies will emerge. AMC is now on the map with their own very good shows like Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. My kids watch YouTube as much as they watch Netflix, not paid content, but trending “cool” free videos made by individuals. They also SnapChat and Instagram and read Reddit. OPPORTUNITY: Make your own content and publish something of interest. I think “education/edumarketing” is taking off as much as entertainment. My kids watch cooking and baking shows, for example. When they need to fix something like repair a car, they go to Google and find a DIY (do it yourself). I pay $31 a month for Pluralsight to educate myself on the latest technology in my industry.
4. We haven’t even talked about the other 6 billion people in the world. I was playing a trivia game yesterday, and guess which country made the most movies last year? It wasn’t the good ‘ole USA! India! Assuming a free and thriving marketplace (like India, Australia, UK, Ireland, etc.), doesn’t it make sense that the rest of the world might have more watchers/listeners than the USA? What if the USA was no longer the center of the world content production? Telemundo covers most of the soccer games, even French and German ones. What happens if Telemundo all of a sudden discovers that there’s a giant base of soccer fans worldwide, AND broadcasts in English and French and German, in addition to Spanish? All three of my kids played soccer for about 3-6 years each. One played American football less than a season in 7th grade, injured twice. The key here is FREEDOM and CREATIVITY. These are exploding in free countries, creating and building local entertainment markets. In censored and tightly controlled markets, the government can keep a lid on what is offered to make sure it fits their political, religious, and moral messages, but they also stifle their economy as well. OPPORTUNITY: Focus on non-US customers, or bring world content to the US (like Telemundo), bring world content to Indian, South American, Asian. folks in the US. I sometimes watch CNBC in Asia in the evening.
5. 5G. Someone else mentioned that 5G only works in big cities, high population density. If 5G is like my 4G LTE, or my mom’s satellite dish, it’s not the solution. You have been talking with the AT&T and Verizon who want to preserve their dividend, by no longer supporting wired infrastructure (we only have to set up 5G access points and we can ditch the last mile). It’s about them further cutting costs by doing less and charging the same (or more). You see, 5G, they can set up charging by the gigabyte and go back to their old phone model to get some profit back. Why do you think AT&T is buying up content companies? Because, for them, wired Internet is not profitable ENOUGH (to support their large dividend, which keeps their executives well compensated and their shareholders happy). I call bullshit on 5G . There will be coverage “holes” just like with 4G, LTE, and WiFi today. Bad weather may affect it like it does satellite. Wired is the only RELIABLE solution. I will never run my business on 5G, unless there are no other economically viable choices. OPPORTUNITY: ISPs and Content should NOT be in the same company. Wired/wireless infrastructure for “last mile” should be public utilities. Switching for Internet should occur as close to the customer as possible, so that when an ISP fails (like AT&T did for 2 days last year in Dallas, TX with a data center fire, stranding several hundred thousand customers), the customer can easily switch to another ISP. Last mile should be a public utility, ISP after the last mile should be easily switchable, not even contract, just switch and pay.
I’ve been thinking about making my own blog here, reply if you would follow me on my blog.
@FormerTXIBMer “I’ve been thinking about making my own blog here, reply if you would follow me on my blog.” If it takes people away from Bob’s blog, you have my support. You already have more worthwhile thoughts from what I’ve read. Just tell me where to go.
FCC is attempting to take some C-Band (satellite) frequencies from legacy broadcast and cable companies to sell to ISPs and cell companies for the rollout of 5G networks. Bad idea if you like free radio and tv since most national content is delivered via satellites. (C-Band doesn’t get rain-faded – it takes a LOT of water to interrupt a 6Mhz C-Band channel – which makes it ideal for anyone who want’s a national footprint be it tv, radio, telephone or internet.) Broadcast radio and tv are on the way out due to government regulating them out of business in favor of selling those frequencies to carriers like ATT, Comcast, Verizon, etc. Yes, traditional live tv viewership has declined with the advent of cable and satellite channel packages and even more so with the advent of DVR time-shifting. Netflix, Amazon Prime and others have cut into live tv viewership, too, in the sense each consumer can choose when to watch. One problem that is rarely considered in our technology-driven world is what will happen when a major solar storm hits Earth rendering satellites and most of the electric grid useless? For one thing, I certainly won’t be paying to watch tv anymore.
Absolutely agree with the fax machine anology. In many subtle way the same thing is happening in the selling of video entertainment.
I would love to write a book about this… there are so many facets to the issue – but, I’ll make the point I think is most important.
Steve Jobs was innately driven to create the very highest quality products – sometimes even if it was beyond the rationale that many would agree with. Steve Jobs delivered entertainment media with iTunes. In my opinion, iTunes was the very best delivery system for entertainment media in many, many ways.
What we are getting from cable TV, broadcast TV, HBO-GO, Disney, Netflix, Hulu, etc, etc, are much inferior to the Steve Job’s entertainment media delivery system.
I so wish Steve Jobs had not died. If he had lived I believe that the world of information delivery would have been so much better.
Regardless, I appreciate that alternate systems that are less expensive, more open and more flexible have advantages that many individuals want. I think what Apple provides is a model of high quality systems and products that other companies can emulate and derive from. Unfortunately, I think it is inevitable that Apple will be drawn to mass market, sub-optimal solutions in order to increase and/or sustain profitability.
RIP Steve Jobs
@True Rock – I agree that I miss Steve Jobs as well, but also blame Capitalism. Once a company becomes public and pension funds and hedge funds control most of the stock, then cash flow and cost cutting and shareholder return become more important than innovation or happy employees. Apple has already crossed the line. Oracle and IBM crossed the line a long time ago. Even Elon Musk is fighting the monster of his company being owned by shareholders. Shareholders want their returns. Look to private companies, startups, etc. for innovation. Stockholders are the enemy of good long term decisions.
Wow. Omer made a really good catch:
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31 Oct 2016: …I have a 2010-vintage MacBook Pro… $1600 into this device… I have no plans to replace it… I have gone through three Windows notebooks in the same period…
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13 Oct 2017: …We left with what clothes we could grab… I forgot my computer…
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30 Oct 2017: …can’t buy a new [computer] in Mendocino… so I bought an ancient IBM ThinkPad…
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02 Jun 2018: …the business ground to a halt… we lost about $20K in parts… it literally BURNED DOWN… the truck burned, too…
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07 Jun 2019: …my present notebook is a MacBook Pro from 2010…
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So based on this I’m calling bullshit. The fire either did not encroach as (vaguely) (melodramatically) described, or the Stephens family had occasion to return for their valuables, or some magical force-field allowed his lost/abandoned Mac to survive fiery destruction while also conveniently torching (or smoke-damaging) hundreds of embarrassingly-overdue processor components. Not particularly surprising; a close and careful reading of the Kickstarter page shows periodic “the laser cutter went up in flames” hyperbole, which is about par for the course. Mark is a liar, or, at minimum, a fraudulent exaggerator.
@FormerTXIBMer “I … also blame Capitalism.”
It’s not capitalism itself that’s the problem, but how capitalism is implemented. There isn’t only one possible form of capitalism. Capitalism needs to be properly regulated, and that’s the problem today.
Just as unregulated government ends in dictatorship and oppression, unregulated capitalism ends in trashing good companies and enriching the few, while impoverishing employees and the public.
Just out of curiosity, what US area codes are going away?
@Questionable_PhD Thanks for compiling that. Very interesting indeed. I’ve heard the more lies you tell, the harder it is to keep track of them all and the more likely a slip up like this will inevitably happen. Did we catch Bob in his spool of lies? What a web he weaves…
I went researching area codes going away. I did not find any that actually went away. However, I saw some splits/overlays that were cancelled. For example, 513 was going to be overlayed with 283. But it now appears it won’t happen.
707 was going to split to 707 and 369, but that was cancelled.
Actually cancelling an area code in use would be traumatic. You can’t just change the area code like you can for a split (which has happened to me). You are likely to have the 2 area codes sharing the same last 7 numbers, so someone would have to have their entire number changed.
For more information: https://www.lincmad.com/newareacodes.html
@ FormerTXIBMer – Would read, you already write more interesting comments than the post you’re replying to.
@ True Rock – Difference is that Steve Jobs didn’t own a record label. He DID own a movie studio. And having watched the destruction of value in the former, why would he be in a hurry to usher it in the latter? The switch from cable/movie studios to what we have now was gradual and frankly smoother than really anyone would have hoped. Studios had as little interest in allowing iTunes “rentals” of first run theatrical films right off the bat than record labels did. The labels just didn’t have a choice when iTunes offered to impose some order in an industry that had already been crushed.
@ Questionable_PhD – I really don’t put anything past him but I’ve roughly had a “2012 iMac” since, well, 2012, even though that encompasses 3 different machines. I usually buy them used and most of them have been from around that time period. He could have just bought a second hand model because it’s closer to what he was used to, etc. I mean it’s plausible at least and wouldn’t have put him out more than a few hundred dollars.
Broadcast TV is still the best way to get people to watch ads. Streaming ads can be blocked. Furthermore, Broadcast TV and radio is by far the best way to advertise locally. The Internet is international. So for companies like Coke and McDonalds, streaming makes sense but for the downtown shoe store then broadcast makes sense.
[Latest comment from Kickstarter]: “Will HardenSuperbacker 2 days ago
I am still confused as to why Cringely will reference the project multiple times on his blog and still not post an update here!”
I agree. I’m also confused why Bob continues to provide hope and false promises rather than just kill the project? What purpose does it serve other than to make him look like a callous human being with no regard for others (including his readers here who are inconvenienced by this whole situation which appears to have no end in site other than Bob retiring and going radio silent indefinitely).
Re: “Michael SummersetJune 13, 2019 at 10:57 am
Broadcast TV is still the best way to get people to watch ads. Streaming ads can be blocked. Furthermore, Broadcast TV and radio is by far the best way to advertise locally ”
How does one block ads on all the dozens of apps that can stream on a TV or PC or Phone?
Since I bought my TiVo, I don’t ever watch ads thanks to fast-forward. For live shows, I usually start watching a half hour or more after the start, to allow for fast forwarding. TiVo with a cable TV subscription provides the best viewing experience, year round. It’s also remote-control-consistent, unlike the various apps that respond differently to the remote.
Does anyone know what home/fire insurance Cringely uses? I bet he claimed the computer as part of the damages. They would likely be interested in these posts he has made.
Fax – not read by yahoo or google!
Your average emailer can’t be trusted to secure their communications… thus Fax is preferred.
If they required ‘signal’ app (or equivalent) and your phone didn’t have a ton of malware on it maybe it could be done differently.
Mr. Stephens mentioned Allstate in a not-too-long-ago post; he also intimated that said company had disputed (denied) parts of the claim, including the 400+ Mineservers. You need to filter that through Mr. Stephens’ previous assertions and behaviors, however. I doubt anyone’s gonna post paperwork online.
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I’m not at a life-stage where I feel the need to go dime out insurance fraud — I suppose there is a 1% or 5% chance that Mark bought a new (used) Mac, or had a new motherboard put into the old chassis, or similar — but his historic communication patterns cause me to see this whole thing in a different light, now.
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What I see, in ~21-month hindsight, is a spiraling deception: oh, folks, everything’s going great –> oh, hey, we had some snarl-ups with the cases and software and whatever, but everything’s great –> geez, a large piece of equipment burst into flames, but we’re still okay –> hey, uhh, be aware we’re losing money on each unit, just gonna mention that as we slip deadlines –> grumble, grumble, I’m experiencing slow-onset visual difficulties which I’ll bring up just now –> hey, big regional catastrophe which may or may not have affected my house in some tangential way, I’ll melodramatically throw that on the table as well –> well, uhh, the insurance company denied my [server] fire claim, and I had to pull money out of my 401(k) to cover this project’s expenses –> hey, just want to add, you complainers and your negative press are hampering my efforts to find new financial backers and save this effort, I’m being unfairly persecuted and this topic surfaces whenever I meet with my important wealthy associates, so shame on all of you.
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The remainder is left as an exercise for the reader. There is, certainly, a chance that all this happened pretty much as narrated, in which case the melodrama and lapse(s) in communication are simply odd human behavior. But that chance shrinks to “beneath reasonable juror-doubt” in my mind. I smell Munchausen. I smell evasion. I smell huckster.
Mark, it has to be exhausting running so many profiles.
@Bob Boblaw It’s actually not too bad, because your Web Browser of choice has cookies and autofill. Just start typing in a letter for the name and it tells you all of the names you chose and will auto-populate your email to match whatever you entered then. Being a troll with many masks it now easier than ever. I highly recommend it to anyone who is interested. Come on, everyone’s doing it!
What about DVR’s? I agree, paying for cable programming is redundant when Roku or any streaming device can make on demand easy. Some streaming channels (unless you pay more *hulu*) have commercials that you can’t skip. But if I record a program, I can skip as much as I want as long as I’m willing to time slip.
I think the big issue is too many streaming channels with exclusive content. On top of a cable bill, I’m paying for multiple streaming channels too! And to be honest, some of these interfaces could use some work & user preferences. My prediction is that exclusive content will in time be shared. I could see Netfilx paying a license fee to show HBO’s Chernobyl after it’s had some time. And why not, it would be cheaper for Neffilx and HBO would get some extra money and maybe even get some folks interested in getting HBO too.
SQRL has been released:
https://sqrl.grc.com/
thank you for your shared. Congratulations.
Kurye
@Kevin: Not implausible that the LEC would stop issuing new numbers in a particular area code and let attrition reduce the numbers to the point where the impact would be a relatively small number of subscribers, possibly even targeting overlapping numbers, if any exist, by blocking their reissue. There also remains the future possibility, however remote, of completely replacing NPA-NXX phone numbers with VoIP services to all subscribers.
Hi Bob, It’s great to see you back on here.
I’m wondering if if your TV prediction is part of your yearly forecast or a much longer term … because you’ve only done five so far !
why do you keep posting about sqrl? Zero relevance, zero adoption, zero people care.
Re: SQRL I think it comes up here as an example of another project, like Cringely’s Mineserver, that has been long promised but never delivered. As a long-time listener of Steve Gibson’s podcast, I knew he would eventually come through, and he has. Steve and his team did the work for free and unleashed it upon the world. It took them 5 years. Now it’s up to various websites to realize there isn’t anything better and offer it alongside the current “keeping secret” method. Like the internet itself, only techies will bother to use it at first. Then they will tell their friends and relatives. Eventually everyone will realize how it simplifies their life with only one password to remember and no need to trust any website to keep any secret, not even a third party like Last Pass.
“Zero relevance…”
This seems like the perfect place for it then.
Ron, I know what SQRL is, I just don’t know why whoever keeps posting about it in Cringely threads is doing so. The Mineserver pitchforkers might be offtopic, but they are at least discussing something Cringely is connected to.
Almost none of the comments on this blog have much to do with the blog. At least I don’t drone on and on (so you know Steve Gibson is not writing these comments).
If you know about SQRL you should not be surprised by zero adoption a few weeks after it’s been released. Almost 6 years after he started working on it.
I was hoping Bob would give us his input but he’s too busy hoping a drone will bring him a pizza.
@SQRL, that would be a good topic for Bob to cover. I wasn’t clear that was your goal with your previous comments, but tally ho. And thank you for writing about this in slightly less detail than Steve Gibson!
One other a side of this mess. I love to watch MotoGP, motorcycle road racing and Formula 1 is about all the sports I watch. Anyway a few years back, the racing moved from regular cable to the high-end channels that were digital. So I had to get a better package to watch some sports channel it was on. Next, it moved to some exclusive channel, that cost me $10 a month on top of the premium package I had already signed up for. Next, the cable company increased the fees of my package etc. I was paying $170 a month for all this. I just went enough is enough, first I cut off the channel with MotoGP. Next, I changed to the standard package and high-speed internet. Though I wonder if I can get this on my Roku? Nope but there is an online service for MotoGP from the organization, it is guess what $10 a month? Still, haven’t signed up for it and maybe not. I can live without it. Today I got curious and looked up World Supper bike, $10 a month. I once thought I used to really like watching World Rally championship, so looked it up I think it was a bargain, $8.
My point in bringing this up, I have a Roku, and I have Netflix as one of my channels and I am an Amazon Prime. I like entertainment, but how much is it worth? I don’t work at a high paying job, I am a working stiff. So, you take $10 here another there pretty soon you’re paying several hundred a month to have choices of entertainment? Sheez this needs to stop some.
Lincoln NE just announced a 590-acre data center development with 1000 workers by 2040. Facebook, Google and Amazon already in Omaha. I’m guessing this is for IBM which already has an office in Lincoln. And…. when am I getting my Mindserver, t-shirt, refund or Signed Mindserer memoirs ?!?
By 2040? Lincoln NE officials must be idiots. 20+ years? I can’t take anything tech-related seriously with that much runway. 20 years ago, Amazon was new and might get big someday, Google was still in diapers, and Facebook probably wasn’t even yet the name of the campus residential search engine of Harvard. 20 years from now, I wouldn’t be surprised if datacenters have quantum computers, and 2019 datacenter designs are long since obsolete.
Hell, “within 20 years” we’re going to put people back on the Moon. I know, because Reagan said so. Then Bush. Clinton. Bush. Obama. Trump.
Wait, I see a pattern here …
Waiting for 5G and Elon Musk satellites.
5G is about infrastructure.
I liked your mom’s infrastructure last night.
Well it’s July 14… not much of the year to predict.
> Well it’s July 14… not much of the year to predict.
I predict the French Revolution is still a failure, except for killing people – huge success there, huge.
> (so you know Steve Gibson is not writing these comments)
Haha, right, right.
(“Two negations make an affirmation, but two affirmations do not make a negation.” “Yeah, yeah…”)
Is Bob even still doing his predictions? I thought that he stopped at 5 of them, and this is just a regular article rather than a “prediction for 2019”. Although I guess you could call it a longer-term prediction.
Cringely is asixual.
Does even anyone care anymore? He’s more or less abandoned us readers, he definitely abandoned his backers. He’s run out of things to say and is no longer in the loop and appears to have moved on with his life, I’m starting to think all of us should too.
As I suspect is the case for many people, I mostly still check in here just to read trashtalk’s comments. Might as well admit it.
trashtalk was interesting, until I realized: Same old schtick, much like Bob. Give the exciting appearance that something interesting is coming, and then … well, overpromise and underdeliver.
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I can’t speak for trashtalk, but I assume that she would respond that she’s a professional, and as they say, if you’re good at something, never do it for free. A big part of her job is arousing people’s interest, but if you want the final product, some kind of sale needs to take place. If you’ve got the money, I’m pretty sure she’s willing and able to deliver.
Looks like the patients have taken over the asylum – Mr. Cringely has left the building…
Hope you haters are happy – you’re a bunch of tourists.
If you were Millennials, you’d have your phones out doing selfies with the carnage you’ve created here.
Pretty sad state of affairs, if you ask me.
I miss Bob…
Agreed
Grew up on computer magazines
Like computer journalism
Must be a modern thing, name calling, find it everywhere, it’s not the world it used to be with civilised debate
Once we debated IT from a labour point of view, union point of view, automation, importing of Hindu labour and outsourcing to Hindus
Now we just name call, we don’t debate the issues any more
That’s how trump won, slogans, name calling, works apparently, especially when the opposition has nothing to offer, or nothing to oppose of any substance
I’m too tired with this topic to unpack and comment on it. I prefer to create given a chance and the whole landscape of tech has changed to the point where discussion about details and innovations hardly happens in a way most of us would recognise. I was waiting for prediction seven and hoping it would be something more chat worthy. For me Cringelys big claim to fame is “Triumph of the Nerds”. This was a UK Channel 4 co-production with PBS. I did love this show. Beyond technical points of interest and common principles I find US orientated content extremely boring. The UK has its own history and culture and successes which throw shade on the US if you want to be nasty about things. Then there is the German computer scene plus major changes and innovations from Asia. Cringely no longer speaks to this informed and international audience.
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The changes in the sex industry follows a similiar curve. A lot of people from back in the day are coasting or retired. Most of the new media is walled gardens or advertising paid user generated content. The narratives and social issues have changed.
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It can be hard to startover. You have to get real and stop externalising. I’m still learning and understanding that as an escort I’m nothing but clothes and makeup and a sexual object for lusty men. Some men do appreciate what I have to offer on a more artistic and emotional basis which is nice and makes me feel valued. Most don’t though because they lack the point of view. Not always but overwhelmingly men pay me for temporary use of my hardware not my software. It can be good but is ultimately transactional not that I don’t decline work because I do and I decline work more often than not. In fact I declined a television show only this past year because I felt the politics was wrong and they weren’t offering to me what I was worth and I wasn’t valued as a creator in my own right. Perhaps a better show will come along or I’ll start my own project online or more likely none of these but I can live with myself and didn’t get caught up in a carnival. I expect most people on some level can relate to this.
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There is still value in the Cringely brand but Cringely has stalled and crashed it unless he decided to get back to his feet and fix thing and get things moving again. I could throw in another pitch but if the will isn’t there or there’s no magic it’s wasted.
Trashtalk,
Here you are riding high on Cringely’s hard work and you’ve got the nerve to make your lame pronouncements about the person that’s given you a platform for your boring recital of sexual imaginations and sage wisdom.
Please point us to your body of work that’s equivalent to Bob’s. We anxiously await.
Vast
As RXC said, he’s got a consulting gig this year to keep him busy. I’m not happy that the predictions flowed so slowly and it’s already so late in the year, but what do you do. As it is, this blog is chiefly a hobby for Bob. If it were truly about his brand / advertising his expertise, he’d do a lot more house-cleaning.
He’ll be back, eventually. It’ll be a bit interesting, as always. Looking forward to it.
You fools are actually writing about how the commenters have ruined Bob’s blog on a blog which has broken down into a series of nearly static HTML files. It’s to the point users have to write each other’s name in bold face because threading broke and paste special characters into comments just to fix the formatting. Remember the laugh when Bob said his blog could be sold for millions? It isn’t even functional as one anymore. That neglect runs pretty deep, laddy.
VAST: “If you were Millennials…”
Oh shut the fuck up you sadsack boomer. Spoiler: Everyone that Bob knew who was interesting is infirm or already dead. Surely there are plenty of sites where you can post how Micro$oft is killing the internet and how you can do everything you need to on your 2003 Motorola Flip Fone.
Couldn’t agree more with this article. There is one avenue we’re overlooking and understandably given the collective age of the audience but whether we like it or not the next medium appear to be Twitch or similar streaming service. Don’t know it? I bet you do, it’s that app your kids (or kids you see around town) are watching instead of tv. They watch other people play their favourite video game, ir go out in the town, or just talk virtually to a community. Kids like it because there’s almost always someone in steaming content they like. It would be akin to cable companies steaming on demand your favourite show when you want. Yes there are sites that do that now for you but my point is this is the way cable companies will
Have to change their business to keep up. Our kids are shaping the entertainment future whether we like it or not.
@vast
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Be more objective and learn some give and take. Read a lot more. Explore different points of view.
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Men get lazy in the summer. I’ve had to turn the magic on for a few clients during the heatwave. I’m pleased to say it works in spite of the complaining. In fact with one client I needed to dial him back once I got him going as things were getting a bit carried away so there’s always hope for Cringely.
@Robert X Cringely – You have nothing else for me. I have checked your site from time to time but over the past few months have found it stale. You are not presenting anything I can’t find elsewhere (usually with a more engaging conversation). I recall when you used to engage with your audience at the height of popularity, but not you just talk AT us then go into hiding for weeks/months then repeat the cycle. It’s grown tiresome.
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The only conversation that IS happening is a mixture of people you’ve screwed over, people blindly defending you, off topic comments to try to keep a conversation going, and, of course, spam. I wish you luck in your retirement and hope that someday you can find your humanity and put the poor Kickstarter people out of their misery. Seriously, have YOU been to the Kickstarter site and read the comments, it’s disgraceful. Why can’t you just log in and tell them you failed/it’s over? Why is it still an open project?
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I personally did not back the project but lost respect for you as a person, and a journalist, with how you handled it (or didn’t as it were). I don’t wish you any ill-will, I just hope you can learn to confront your issues rather than hide from them and name call. My 3-year old does that, but my 6-year old has grown out of it. It would appear you never learned that life skill. Here’s hoping an old dog CAN learn new tricks, because you could really benefit from it. At the very least, I hope your children can; They are the future and I would hate to see this particular trait handed down to the next generation. Take Care, Bob. It’s been fun, but I’m ready to get off the ride…
It’s amusing how many people claim they are leaving, and yet just have to leave a long screed before they “leave”, assuming they even do indeed go. Bye, Felicia!
Speaking of the future of television … let’s contrast this article with what the future used to look like, from Bob himself.
https://www.cringely.com/2009/01/08/the-coming-dtv-nightmare/
@T What is your preference – people who stick around and complain incessantly or people who say their peace then go (we’re ignoring the 3rd option of none of the above since that clearly isn’t happening). I’d personally take a minor inconvenience and have it be done than someone who complains time and time again (I’m aware that there is always the possibility that they have these rants under false pseudonyms and then never actually leave which is another problem entirely if that is happening).
I think what makes me more sympathetic to their cause is that I agree with a few of their points. I love Bob, but you have to have blinders on to think he took the high road in this situation. Many of us, who are loyal to Bob and have been since PBS days, have asked Bob in the comments over the past year or so to just end this and put the backers out of their misery, but he hasn’t. It has been years that he’s allowed this to go on at this point, so I find myself questioning why that is, as it only seems to be hurting him (and this community he spent decades building).
I do agree with your “Bye, Felicia” mindset, but am not so quick to let Bob off the hook either. I would love for him to write up a piece on this and take us through the past few years and his thoughts through all of this, but I’m not very confident we’ll ever get that insight. In the meantime, [hopefully] everyone is starting to move on, as Chris claims to be doing (albeit loudly as he storms out the door, LOL). We haven’t heard from Roger in awhile, so there’s always that to celebrate? But that also just reminds me how long it’s been since we’ve heard from Bob. These breaks between posts are getting longer and longer it seems.
As long as we’re living in ego land, Bob is damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. We ALL make mistakes in life. I have had made more than most people here. Everyone talks about “judgement day”. The joke is that is every day. Honestly, if you want peace, embrace NO judgement day. Everyone makes mistakes, everyone suffers. Hating on another / being self righteous / judging just hurts YOU! At least try not judging another for one day.
A guy in love who is blessed with life today on a beautiful planet who has suffered tremendously but loves you ALL.
I’ve never really understood this mentality. Yes, we all make mistakes. Does that mean that mistakes are okay? Shall we accept all the things that people do out of greed, malice, or apathy because “we all make mistakes in life”? That doesn’t make sense to me. I’ve never claimed to be perfect and have no basis for any such claims; I have made mistakes as well as other people, but why should that disqualify me from commenting on other people’s bad behavior? If someone does something bad to another person, I’m going to comment on it, even if I am not a perfect person, because perfection is not a prerequisite for having or expressing opinions.
Hi Adam. Do whatever makes you happy. There’s an infinite amount of things to focus on and life short and precious. If you want to spend that time criticising others, go for it 👍
We all mistakes, yes, but not all people acknowledge or apologize for those mistakes. People who repent and truly appear to feel remorse for their mistakes should not be berated or made to feel lesser. But to be clear, Bob is NOT in this category. He not only shows NO remorse or acknowledgement that he made any mistakes, but he berates those who he has wronged. I appreciate your words of wisdom, but they are misplaced in this instance. Bob needs to answer for what he’s done, either through an apology, or through pitchforks. He seems to prefer pointy things since his ego is too large to be considerate of others and see how his actions (namely inactions) affect other people.
I apologise then…
I apologise for not appreciating life until recently.
I apologise for not appreciating my parents whilst growing up.
I apologise to the angel that came into my life and who I wasn’t man enough for
I apologise to all of you for not making the world a more kind and compassionate place to live
If you want blood, take mine!
I apologize you never learned how to spell that word. Can you please provide directions for where I can acquire said blood you have offered up?
Haha, trashtalk is gonna have a field day with your American-centric spelling., Auto Correct What twaddle?
Hey, guy in love, you don’t need to be so melodramatic. 🙂 We’re not here for blood, neither yours nor Bob’s nor anyone else’s. Some people just want to see justice, and others just want to see closure to a story that hasn’t received a proper ending yet. Admittedly, to be fair, “justice”, for many people, IS blood, revenge for perceived wrongdoings, but in this case I don’t think that the people here amount to a violent mob, despite Bob’s characterizations of them being an angry mob with pitchforks. We really just don’t appreciate how Bob has suddenly gone silent on a project that people were once enthusiastic about, and they want to know what happened and why. I think that’s reasonable. By the way, if what you had with your angel was true love, then it doesn’t matter who you are or whether you’re “man enough”, because true love does not end. If there’s no going back from here, then it wasn’t true love in the first place, so don’t feel bad about losing something that wasn’t the right thing anyway. You may counter by saying that it was true love for you, as your feelings are very real to you, but a relationship isn’t just about the feeling of being in love, it’s a lot of other things that need to fit into place as well.
It’s sad things are ending this way but you can’t drag a horse to water.
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I’m not hugely irritated by spelling. English suffered from standardising around the time of the “vowel shift” around the 16th Century which meant a lot of words became fixed and spelling doesn’t make sense for the current spoken language. As for the American side there are some American standardisations which make good sense although English “ise” versus American “ize” is a lot nicer in many ways and preferred by some Americans.
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From Wikipedia:
“The -ize spelling is often incorrectly seen as an Americanism in Britain, although it has been in use since the 15th century, predating -ise by over a century.[53] The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) recommends -ize and notes that the -ise spelling is from French…there is no reason why in English the special French spelling should be followed…”
Arguing about “ize” vs “ise,” this is a new low. GODDAMM IT BOB DO SOMETHING.
Hi folks, let’s talk about whether abortion should be legal, whether same-sex marriage should be recognized, and whether Donald Trump is good or bad. Is that better?
Or we could scrape the ol’ barrel and talk about, you know, random people transcribing private audio recordings and every company seems more embarrassed that their technology fails compared to poor people working for small wages in a call center than that they frequently stand in front of gigantic video screens with words like “PRIVACY written on them, or listening devices inside home security cameras without the consumer’s knowledge, or the chairman of the FCC showing a seeming eagerness for anti-trust actions, or how the California ideology has been disemboweled by the companies themselves, or Amazon’s Rekognition now being able to detect “fear” in human faces yet still delivering countless false positives between random people and notorious criminals.
… or China cracking down on Hong Kong, using facial recognition AI developed by Facebook / Google, and using a “social reputation management system” (can you think of anything more dystopian sounding?) developed by Google. If you have friends in HK, do ’em a favor and send them some lasers.
… or Ring doorbells recording and saving video to S3 in such a way that it’s all too easy for others to access the video at-will with few safeguards on the data.
Very informative and awesome topic you have shared.
Could trashtalk be a bot?
Maybe Bob’s on his way to Area 51, hmmm?
Serial crowdfunder was sued for fraud and is being sentenced next month. Guilty of “12 mail and wire fraud counts, each carrying a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.”
https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/13/20758599/idealfuture-dragonfly-futurefon-indiegogo-crowdfunding-phone-scam-fraud-case
Just saw you on AljazeraTV, Face To Face, about Bill and Steve. Thanks for your insights.
https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/face-to-face/2017/07/steve-jobs-bill-gates-rivalry-170709084024457.html
Says the video will be taken down on 9/20. Anyone able to re-host it on YouTube?
Sure you can abandon this Blog but you have an obligation to close out the Mineserver project you started and received funding from supporters of this blog.
Posted link to article on fax use in medical profession long winded and does not cut to chase.
Can tell you first hand: Fax may still be prevalent in medical profession but on decline. Will die out.
Hold over for many medical records departments- now called HIM (Health Information Management)- due to perception is HIIPA complaint while email is not.
Secure email can do everything fax does with more functionality.
Blurb at bottom of fax ” Confidential- only for intended recipient” is perceived as compliant with privacy laws while email is not. Suspect has something do due with when HIM managers came of age. Do not factor in computer screens set to log out after short time more secure than unattended faxes.
I work for both large county health care system and State Veterans administration.
In county system we exchange medical information with outside healthcare facilities by email “fax” to specifically designated email address accessed securely. I can easily see medical record from patient ER visit in PDF format. However, have to print it & place it in filing basket for understaffed HIM to pick up and officially scan as PDF into our electronic medical record (EMR) so becomes part of patient medical record.
At state VA facility our federal counterpart will only FAX, not email, patient information.
They do not permit our state physicians computerized access to their fully functional EMR as we are not employees of federal VA.
Our HIM does not scan outside documents into poor excuse for an EMR- place in paper chart for upto 1 year.
Up to me to review records and determine if I want to scan onto my desk top.
Have office tech scan outside records to email.
Then can cut and paste into EMR.
On upside- HP business class all in one copier, scanner (to email), fax super fast and sophisticated.
BTW- I constantly get cold call job offers from recruiters via email and cell phone.
Have not owned or used a fax for 12 years.
Re: “Secure email can do everything fax does with more functionality”. That’s probably true, and has been since the 90’s. The problem is people don’t want to go to the trouble of using it. Fax is considered secure since it’s a point to point connection between two fax machines, leaving the security in the hands of the sender and recipient, not the phone company, since it can’t be easily hacked. If someone steels your fax machine, it will do them no good unless they steel your wired fax number and you don’t notice it’s gone. If someone hacks your computer, they could get you’re login credentials and pretend they’re you even if they’re located in China.
Very informative and awesome topic you have shared.
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3 months later…Bueller? Bueller? *pokes Bob to see if he’s still breathing*
“3 months later…Bueller? Bueller? *pokes Bob to see if he’s still breathing*”
And now you have a idea of how his Kickstarter backers feel.
“Wasted Days and Wasted Nights…”
SQRL?
It’s nice to know Roger is still a proponent of virtue signaling.
No joke. For all the mineserver complaining … what’s been the result? Polluting the comments of some blog? Causing a writer of free content to write less of that free content? Um … okay? So? The world’s a big place. There are far more interesting goals to be after.
This is such a great resource that you are providing and you give it away for free.
@T The backers simply asked Bob to post an update on the Kickstarter site and said they would leave this blog. Bob refused to do so for years and as a result no one left this site. If that was all it took to drive Bob away, he didn’t have much to begin with. As many have said throughout the years, Bob could have ended this many times within minutes but chose not to.
I believe your anger and frustration are misplaced. I didn’t even back the project but I can see the folly in Bob’s judgement. Even now, many years later, he could choose to end this but does not, so don’t blame the backers that Bob can’t be bothered to. He clearly values a few minutes of his time over any of yours/ours.
This is very much a US centred discussion. Here in the UK only businesses had a fax machine. Zero need in the home.
All the streaming services (netlfix, amazon etc) suffer from the fact people binge watch shows and quickly plow through what interests them. So every so often you have nothing to watch as you have either seen it or its of no interest to you (which makes up most of the content available). Broadcast TV has regular content you keep coming back for (soap operas, sports, long running tv shows) , essentially nothing you would release in boxset format. The delivery method may change of course.
Nerds had fax machines at home for nerdy purposes, the vast majority of the US population did not. The price was a bit high for awhile (as were scanners), so if you were middle class you probably didn’t bother.
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Almost no one watches soap operas anymore, most of them have been cancelled. With live entertainment (i.e., sports), that isn’t stopping people from cutting the cord from cable and going without. Netflix’s entire show is throwing more stuff in front of you that you might like, I don’t know anyone who watched all of (idk) Friends or Seinfeld and then cancelled because “there’s nothing for me on here.” They certainly must exist but if that’s your issue, you’re in a distinct minority (and probably a Boomer. No offense, but your “people” bears no resemblance to anyone I know under 50.)
Sometimes people need a personal fax system because of pension requirements where documents have to be faxed on an annual basis. Finding any place any more that deals with sending faxes and feeling confident the fax got to its destination is why we have an inexpensive fax machine at the house.
Bob must be a very nice guy. If I ran this blog I would have started blocking the Kickstarter-babbling assholes a long time ago.
@Teve – Teve appears to be yet another rabid deletionist / censorial totalitarian using censorship to cover up crime, fraud and wrongdoings.
The best thing Mark Stephens / Robert X. Cringely can do is to close the kickstarter, give up the mineserver domain and post on kickstarter that the project failed due to (give whatever reasons)….
But to see psychophants and totalitarians come here and try to suppress the truth is just disgusting. It shows the new crop of mind slaves who want truth hidden so they can live in their own echo chambers. Disgusting and low brow to see the internet censored for just about any reason – and its never good – most deletions are sign of crime, propaganda or wrongdoings.
The ONLY thing that Mark Stephens / Robert X. Cringely has at this point is the integrity not to delete posts here. Wayback and Archive are great too – shows what fraud is trying to be hidden. I dutifully ask the archive services to archive this site and the posts periodically.
Information wants to the free. The light of truth always eventually wins out over the darkness.
“Bob should block his commenters.”
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This blog’s theme broke like two years ago, comments aren’t even threaded and formatting is destroyed and you think he can block commenters?
“Bob should block his commenters.”
I think Bob should start posting content with any sort of regularity before he goes wild and starts dipping into website/comment management. If he’s going to do that, at the very least he could change the background image to cobwebs.
Still waiting for a Mindserver update/closeout/refund/something ……
Fax is an indispensable part of the business, if you are engaged in the delivery and sale of parts for cars. By fax you can send the invoice and drawings of the part, it is very difficult for old cars to find the original in detail by serial number, you have to check by eye https://bestforacar.com/best-floor-jacks/
Tnk for your post
Is this the end of Cringely?
It’s the end
What a shitty way to go out. Classy, Bob. Years of following you, enjoying our back and forth, and this is how you leave us? Without a word, just faded into nothing.Feels like a bit of an “F you” to your loyal followers. The Kickstarters may have started this demise, but I’m disappointed you never ended it; Feels like a cowards exit, tbh. Oh well, it’s been fun (until it wasn’t).
The Future of this Blog/Website would’ve been a better title.
Bob is a dead man. Miss him. Miss him. Miss him.
@teve — “If I ran this blog I would have started blocking the Kickstarter-babbling assholes a long time ago.”
If you ran this blog, would you have taken a lot of money from a bunch of folks and then ghosted them?
If the answer is no, then you’re nicer than Crookely by far. If the answer is yes, then you’re as big an asshole as he is.
Either way, you have shown yourself to be someone not worth listening to.
Broadcast TV is still the best way to get people to watch ads. Streaming ads can be blocked. Furthermore, Broadcast TV and radio is by far the best way to advertise locally. The Internet is international. So for companies like Coke and McDonalds, streaming makes sense but for the downtown shoe store then broadcast makes sense.
Re: “ads can be blocked” That’s what you said on June 13th. You never did answer the question asked on the next day as to how. You can try to block them, but that also blocks the content, until you unblock them.
Interesting post and text feed too, reading`s pleasure)
Ronc – pretty sure that’s just a spambot reposting old comments. Though the second posting makes me realize how ancient the idea of the “downtown shoe store” advertising on TV is. I have a friend that works in radio and has shown me their absurd marketing claims that like 90% of all people in the United States (including 87% of Gen Z and Millennials) listen to the radio.
Definitely spam based on the link. But the words are too on topic to be a bot.
“But the words are too on topic to be a bot”
You cute, ignorant man. Welcome to the 21st Century.
I first read Mark Stephens in the Infoworld, Robert X Cringely column in the late 1980s. I have followed almost every word he has written and video he has made.
His take on the information technology industry was something I always looked forward to.
With out a doubt he was unique and did things outside of the norm. I guess that is what I will miss.
Cringely has gone the way of the Fax machine.
Or Faxly has gone the way of the cringe machine?
@Ron – the first comment (from “Michael”) was probably legit, the second was a bot that just copied it and added the spam link. It’s not a top bot (some of the better ones grab sentences and rearrange them so it appears to be on topic and original for anyone just glancing through).
I’m not sure about the demise of TV. But I can’t determine why Comcast is still in business.
Of course, they wish to be known as Xfinity. Changing your name does not necessarily change behavior.
I’ve come to believe that their pun on infinity demonstrates their endless desire to frustrate you while taking ALL of your money.
Why would Comcast go to such lengths to retain customers? My understanding is that you cannot rent stand-alone Internet service from Comcast. Maybe the “business” class, if you’re a business. But home users get bombarded with bundles.
Friday night, 11 OCT 2019, I was preparing to watch Turner Classic Movies. Gojira is the featured monster this month. When I changed the channel, I was presented with the following :
NOT AUTHORIZED TCMHD. For ordering information, press INFO.
Pressing INFO does not provide ordering information.
I logged into my wife’s Comcast account in an attempt to find out why I could no longer watch TCM. I had no trouble watching it last Friday.
I’ve discovered over the years that I’m no good on the telephone. Speaking in the moment requires more brain power than I have. I’m likely to get frustrated and raise my voice and curse the living daylights out of the “customer” service representative. Also, I’ve learned that there is no such thing as customer service.
All things service sales. Every representative is there to sell you something. Its like Human Resources. The HR department exists to protect the company, not the employee. Customer Service is there to protect the company, not the customer.
I entered CHAT mode because it gives me a chance to think before I type. I won’t bore you with the details.
And it came to pass that the “Broadcasters” decided that TCM belonged in the “Sports” package. I don’t watch sports; neither does my wife. But I have to subscribe to the “Sports” package to get TCM. It takes them about 5-10 minutes to put together a “quote”. I seriously doubt it takes that long to push the “Suckers for TCM” button. And look, they’ve saved you 14 dollars. And also, they’ve upgraded you to phone service. Which I did not ask for and do not need. But they have to bundle this to give me what I want. Allegedly, I can cancel the phone service after 30 days. I wonder, what would happen if I just modified my service each month until nothing was left? The only joy I got out of the experience was asking as many dumb and elaborate questions as I could, typing them into the chat window and then walking away. It took almost 90 minutes. TCM was restored during the last 5 minutes of Ghidorah, the Three Headed Monster so win-win.
Please note sarcasm.
I stumbled across a forum in which numerous people complained about losing TCM and getting stuck with the “Sports” package. Some of them pointed out that one can login/logon to your account and ADD features but not REMOVE them. All things service sales. An UP sale is the primary and secondary target. Any sale is tertiary.
I apologize for my rambling. I’ve discovered I’m not nearly as smart as I used to think I was.
Is this how Comcast will kill the goose that laid the golden egg? Perhaps.
I like terrestrial TV. I’ve re-discovered the joys of running to the bathroom during commercials. I watch more OTA broadcasts than ever before. Of course, a lot of it is reruns. But these are shows I was too young to appreciate when they originally aired. Or they happened before my time. Me and one of my sisters love to text each other when we see an actor who went on to greater acclaim. I’m astounded to see Warren Oates in an episode of Lost in Space; Robert Loggia playing an Apache on The High Chaparral. Or wondering whatever happened to character actor, Albert Salmi. Who’da thought Cloris Leachman ever worked with Steve McQueen. I saw her on Wanted! Dead or Alive. Seeing Harrison Ford on an episode of Kung Fu. (This last one is a cheat; I have it on DVD.
Still, I find this more entertaining than a lot of whats available on cable. And think of it this way. According to the scan I run on my ATSC TV tuner, I have access to 72 channels. About a third of them are Spanish language or religion. Another third are duplicated by my cable company and the rest I can’t get anywhere else. There was a network lost. It was called Decades. Its no longer available in this market. But I loved it. Getting to watch Ed Sullivan again; their binge-watch marathons on the weekends, especially during October when they frequently showed Dark Shadows. Why can’t the cable company provide that? Old fogies like me would watch it. We can’t afford to pay for it but we watch it.
I guess the truth is most companies are like drug dealers. They give you a taste, encourage the market and then raise the price.
Comcast is Tracfone; Tracfone is Comcast.
All I want to do is upgrade my phone from a Motorola XT830C to a Moto E5(Reconditioned).
I can have it for about 35 bucks.
Except I have to bundle it with a plan.
Except I already have a Tracfone plan.
I just wanna newer, faster phone.
To buy THAT phone, I have to have buy a plan.
Except buying THAT plan implies a contract that Tracfone claims they don’t require.
Weasel words.
I paid less than 20 bucks for the XT830c. I pay about 31 bucks a month for 4 phones under my current plan.
I don’t use the phone much; my wife doesn’t use her phone much: the emergency backup phone isn’t used much; my son’s phone is always teetering on the brink of running out of data.
I pay more for my land line which I refuse to give up.
If its true that TV will be gone in about a decade, I imagine I’ll pass with it.
All things must pass.
And I can’t type for . . . .!
Sir, this is a Burger King.
I for one would enjoy reading Gnarfle’s blog, rather than wait until kingdom come before Cringely posts something new.
Where has Bob gone?
Where have all the Roberts gone?
Long time passing.
Where have all the Roberts gone?
Long time ago. Where have all the Roberts gone?
Back to Moultrie every one.
When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?
It is a bit of poetic justice that finally, years later, the loyal Bob followers can finally feel a bit of what the Kickstarter backers have felt (and were chastised as whiners for complaining about) – complete abandonment without a word. The difference being that you all didn’t pay him money before he decided to go radio silent.
Welcome to the club. We meet on Wednesdays. Coffee and donuts are available, so please help yourselves. We’ll take seats and go over introductions in just a few minutes.
Which Moultrie? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moultrie
GA
Bob has left the room …… someone turn out the lights please …….. thank you
Welcome to the Mineserver kickstarter backers club! Click my name (above) for current photo of our membership.
Today marks the 4th anniversary since Crookely’s kickstarter project as funded. His last update on the Kickstarter site was just shy of 3 years ago. There is cake and punch in the breakroom. (But no mineservers.)
When internet and other gadgets are popular, TV become old trend. People watch TV lesser than before, another aspect is that there are more and more tedious TV programs nowadays so that push people use other devices to watch their favorite shows. If they don’t change this, TV will soon be forgotten in the next 10 years. 2 player games
Best record was over 3 months! Let’s help Roger find a better hobby.
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@Kickstarter Backers Club Roger’s hobby is no less important/meaningful than your’s, so unsure why you think you have the moral high ground here. Cringely has abandoned us all, so maybe stop fighting his (Bob) battles for him and realize he flipped us all the bird and doesn’t care about any of us.
But hey, if you want to keep defending your MIA leader who doesn’t give a shit about you, by all means. Maybe if you’re lucky somebody can point out the irony of your wasted hobby to you as well…
@ GnarfleOctober 20, 2019 at 4:06 am “GA”
So what’s the connection between Cringely and Moultrie, GA?
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away . . . ( Is this phrase a registered trademark of Disney yet?)
Bob made a passing reference to an incident at an airfield in or near Moultrie, GA. I believe he had personal involvement in said incident.
My brother-in-law lives and works there (Moultrie not the airfield) and I found that somewhat amusing. The column was available at Bob’s PBS website but I do not know if it currently exists in any form available to the public.
The wayback machine at Archive.org has Bob’s PBS columns; whenever there’s a certain one I’m looking for I tend to find it there. Helps to know what date, though.
Guess we will see if he renews Cringely.com in February. Still no Mineserver Info on Kickstarter. He let Mineserver.com expire. The the Montana Mineserver LLC was not renewed.
Domain Name: CRINGELY.COM
Registry Domain ID: 2886260_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.easydns.com
Registrar URL: http://www.easydns.com
Updated Date: 2018-11-30T12:19:03Z
Creation Date: 1995-02-27T05:00:00Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2020-02-28T05:00:00Z
Registrar: easyDNS Technologies Inc.
@Scott that’s very interesting info, though I’d be beyond surprised if Bob doesn’t have it set to auto renew even if it says it expires in Feb-2020. He’s invested too much into this blog to allow it to just pass to the next bidder just to save himself the cost of 1-2 mineservers.
Even though this is a column Cringely sees himself as a television person. So he was hinting the end with his predicting tv would end. It is sad to see journalism dying because of the internet. Of course there’s tons of tech writers now but they mostly just post press releases.
Is it possible that Bob and his entire crew are gainfully employed working day jobs in an effort to raise the necessary funds to repay all the investors? Which would leave them with little or no energy to respond? Or perhaps their lawyer is handling all correspondence?
Robert! Row the boat ashore! Whats it to ya?
Robert row the boat ashore – whats it tooooo ya?
“Is it possible that Bob and his entire crew are gainfully employed working day jobs in an effort to raise the necessary funds to repay all the investors?”
Comedy hour here. Classic Gnarfle!
I’m looking for a Cringely column. He wrote about forest management in California. In the past, it was all about allowing small fires from time to time, which would burn the loose fuel and prevent giant fires from happening … but then, in the name of helping the environment, the philosophy changed to “do not allow any fire to happen ever” which caused lots of loose fuel to acquire, smaller bushes to gain ground, trees to get more crowded and have less water/nutrients to share, and … well, more big fires happening.
Cringely made an analogy between this and, I think, the 2008 financial meltdown.
I can’t find the essay, though. Not here on cringely.com, and not on Cringely’s Mortgage Blog either (only partially accessible via Wayback Machine).
Anyone else remember this? Or am I mis-remembering content from some other writer?
Tried searching for the above article and I stumbled on Cringley’s first InforWorld article from the September 29, 1986 issue: “IBM’s 80386 Rumored to be in Beta Test in Britain”
https://books.google.com/books?id=pzwEAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA1&pg=PA66#v=onepage&q&f=false
You sure that’s the right Cringely? Wikipedia at least says Mark took it over in 1987.
I seem to remember that article as well, but I also was unable to find it.
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I seem to remember at the time the comments were critical of Cringely oversimplifying a complex issue, something that he has done fairly often in his career.
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Still, I miss him. Come back Cringely!
Oversimplifying a complex issue?
Human beings are simple creatures with an infinite capacity for complicating their own lives.
Actually, human beings are complex beings, living in an even more complex world. We manage the complexity by generalizing and oversimplifying. It allows us to keep going and keep mostly sane.
An epiphany!
Mr. Cringely has been busy trying to add features to the Mineserver Project.
He’s discovered that the Mineserver requires more than just the ability to provide simple access to playing Minecraft.
It also needs to send and receive faxes as well as allow access to free over-the-air television signals.
Genius!
The person who writes the last comment prior to the next article being posted gets a free mineserver!
Three of my favourite bloggers have passed over the past year Or so, either literally or figuratively, and while I missed them for a while life moves on and so will I.
Vale Jerry Pournelle, Robert Thompson and Robert Cringely.
Which one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Thompson ?
All of them…
Perhaps Robert Bruce Thompson.
No Wikipedia page for him, though.
General search should turn up the remains of his website.
Only mention him because of his association with Pournelle.
Gnarfle,
Correct. Loved to keep up with his day to day.
Still, it’s all YouTube now, so I’ve got that going for me..
Four and a half months since RXC has posted this column and his site is still getting hits.
Amazing.
For those who care, Mark is still posting at Quora. As recently as today.
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https://www.quora.com/profile/Robert-X-Cringely-1
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IBM is laying off more than 1,000 employees
IBM said Thursday that it’s laying off a small percentage of employees, confirming reports that appeared earlier in the day on TheLayoff, an online message board.
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IBM has its own public cloud infrastructure for deploying applications, but in buying Red Hat, IBM has sought to also gain business from companies adopting other public clouds, like Amazon Web Services and Microsoft Azure, both of which have more market share, according to Synergy Research Group.
IBM announced job cuts in 2016 and in 2017.
Earlier this month, Evercore ISI analysts Amit Daryanani and Irvin Liu highlighted the importance of the Red Hat deal as they initiated coverage of IBM:
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Red Hat had 13,360 employees as of Feb. 28, according to its annual report.
In April IBM said it’s looking for at least $13.90 in earnings per share, excluding certain items, for 2019. That would be up from $13.81 per share, excluding certain items, in 2018.
@Mineserver: good catch! Bob obviously is OK and not too busy if he’s posting on Quora.
I guess he’s running an experiment to see how much free content will be generated by us, his stupid readers.
Interesting that the Quora responses are all related to aviation. Nothing about the computing industry at all.
That’s because Bob’s profile over there says he knows about journalism, media, and flying.
Interesting, my last two comments here have been eaten without having any links or anything else that would warrant auto-modding.
At least we all know that Bob is still out and about. Disappointing he appears to have replicated the Mineserver responsiveness here. As long as he keeps this site active, it may become a ‘We are the blog’ site. Persistence is futile. 😉
That is, until this post passes the threshold for commenting. Is the threshold 6 months? The previous post is locked. If that’s the case, we’ve really got just a week or two left.
YOU GUYS BE NICE TO BOB, HE’S GOT VISION TROUB… er wait, he’s posting on Quora.
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HEY BACK OFF, HIS MACBOOK BURN… oh, uhh, he (still?) has the exact same model.
“So while it is great when readers fight among themselves in your sea of ads or commercials, it is not great when they aren’t real and minds are being changed through deliberate deceit… online-only journalism… at this point in my career that’s what I do and so I’ll defend it because I am proud of my work… cheap to do and is often the realm of amateurs or at least the untrained. It is also the realm of zealots of all kinds — honest and dishonest.
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“Journalism of all types comes down to reputation. In the past I have written things online that led to vicious attacks by critics, even death threats. That doesn’t bother me at all, because stupid critics are still stupid and bullies are still cowards. And when they write stupid things, I don’t have to fight back because my longtime readers do it for me even before I have a chance to respond. That’s the important part of all kinds of journalism that the pubic often misses. It’s why we have bylines and take personal responsibility for our stories. If you don’t know who is writing what you are reading, at least by reputation, it’s not journalism — online or otherwise.”
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[Mark ‘Cringely’ Stephens, Quora, March 2019]
As this post will soon be locked with the six-month window soon approaching, just want to say it’s been fun reading Cringeley’s columns and the readers’ responses/ripostes over these many years (even the Mineserver mess). Best wishes to you all, and Bob/Mark.
Fitting/poetic justice of sorts, that Bob’s blog will be locked to his loyal readers almost exactly 3 years after he promised Mineservers to his backers “shipping the week after Thanksgiving” and then went radio silent. He couldn’t have timed it better.
I’ve enjoyed the back and forth we’ve all had over the years, but I’m sad to see this is how this ends. No parting words, no reasoning for his departure; Bob has become the cowardice he once criticized, not bothering to spare himself a few minutes and give a quick update/so long and thanks for all the fish.
Oh well, thanks for the ride everyone.
@Alan –
If what you say is true … then you’re about to find yourself without a platform to bitch about Mineservers. Please take heart: the world is a wide and wonderful place, and you can and will find a better hobby. Far more fulfilling than this.
@T I’m not convinced you’re reading that correctly. I could be mistaken, but I took @Alan’s comment as simply an observation that the timing was ironic since that was about when the Mineserver backers all started to flock here. I admit, the timing is interesting if you look at it.
I have no qualms with Bob or the backers, but I just wanted to chime in that I didn’t read the above comment as bitching, nor do I think it’s clear @Alan is even a KS Backer; They could just as easily be a longtime reader that is a bit bummed this is how Bob decided to go out, to which I would agree. The word choice of cowardice I think ties in well with @Questionable_PhD’s post which quotes Bob directly.
I wouldn’t consider it to be bitching, just being a part of the discussion as we see the walls of this blog quickly closing around us. Just my two cents. In a few days/weeks, you’ll never have to hear from any of us ever again. Fare well comrades!
@T, I did not even back the Mineservers, I just think Bob leaving without word to those of us who have followed him for years is a big FU to the rest of us. If anything one could argue the Mineservers are to blame, but I’ve always felt Bob handled the entire situation poorly, as many have said throughout the years. Just because you don’t agree/care to listen does not make my opinion invalid. Welcome to the internet, where no one agrees. If you’re not into that, sounds like you may be the one who needs a new hobby.
Quote:”That is, until this post passes the threshold for commenting. Is the threshold 6 months? The previous post is locked. If that’s the case, we’ve really got just a week or two left.”
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Wow, I suddenly had this weird feeling, like in the game the Talos Principle where some unspecified disaster slowly takes down the Internet (and maybe all of humanity), and you are reading the last few messages that people left to each other.
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Bye, folks. Take care of yourselves.
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(Final thought: I never cared about Mineservers. I was just here for Bob.)
(With apologies to T.S. Eliot)
The Hollow Men
Mistah Bob—he gone.
A penny for the Old Guy
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We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats’ feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the Mineservers
Are raised, here they receive
Our endless supplications with no response
Under the shadows of a faded man.
II
Is it like this
On Kickstarter’s other kingdom
Waiting alone
At the hour when we are
Eagerly expecting $99 worth
Fingers longing to play Minecraft
Our questions all to broken links.
III
The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this blog of a dying journo
In this hollow blog
This broken remnant of lost insights
Sightless, unless
Bob X. reappears
As the perpetual bluffer
Multiple meaningless promises
About a project’s twilight failure
The hope only
Of empty men.
IV
Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow
For thine is the arrogance
Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow
Life goes on
Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For thine is the emptiness
This is the way the blog ends
This is the way the blog ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
It would flatter Bob to frame this as his being “driven off” by people who, uh, wrote comments asking questions. His “column” as he continued to call it was posted at places like BetaNews as well where nobody really mentioned this. Either way, this is A Choice, and maybe he feels he’s drawing toward the end of his life and no longer wants to try to stay up to date on tech (which he hasn’t for a long time anyway. Really the most notable posts here in the last few years aside from Mineserver matters were obituaries, which must be depressing.)
Thanks for the poem, GW. It lead me to the YouTube version, which in turn, lead me to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMMjAbH_W8c
I hadn’t realized that commenting was automatically locked after a period of time… Seems odd to me. In any case, perhaps this really is the end of the Mineserver project? The last mention of Crookely’s other great shame?
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I truly hope I am remembered better than that when I am put out to pasture. (At least I delivered the rewards for my Kickstarter project.)
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Bummer for his kids; I wonder if this will haunt them their whole lives? I don’t know if my kids are proud of me, but at least they’re not embarrassed by me (other than the usual dad stuff.)
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Farewell to Crookely; hopefully, he will be quickly forgotten.
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So… do we now hunt for the last post? 🙂
So do we all flip the tables on the juvenile “first” comment and just spam “last” until one of us gets it? I’m unclear on the rules here but am ready to play…
…last?
I’d rather figure out what html / css wackiness can get past the goalie to truly mess with the page.
Of course, Bob could keep the crazy going by adding one more blog post.
Last! I called it!
How do we know the cut off is 6 months? Maybe Bob pays the WordPress maintainer to remove the reply option after 6 months. When he stops paying, it automatically continues!!! Or maybe it automatically continues if there are no new articles to replace the last one. If the past reliably predicted the future, we’d all be super rich, having figured out how to game the system.
Well, we know the 6 months cut off mark in 2 or 3 days. Until then… Last
Bob is still fully capable of putting up another post here. If that happens, all of this “the sky is falling” hand wringing will seem a bit silly and anticlimactic. It’s clear that Bob is alive and well and capable of writing since, as earlier noted, he’s still posting on Quora, and while his absence from this site in the last few months is unusual, I feel like he’s too much of a showman to just let things remain as they are. If he intends to abandon this blog, I feel like he’s the kind of guy to leave behind one last dramatic flair before doing so. Honestly, I still just want to know who the planned “super secret guest” in season 2 of NerdTV was. That was back in 2007, when Steve Jobs was still alive, so it could have been him, but failing that, there are only a handful of other people it could be likely to be: Steve Wozniak, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, one of the Google bosses… I was going to add “One could go really crazy and speculate that it might have been Obama” before realizing that Obama’s presidency actually started AFTER that time. Gosh, it’s all so long ago now, can’t we just find out who the guest list was supposed to be?