Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen died yesterday at age 65. His cause of death was Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma, the same disease that nearly killed him back in 1983. Allen, who was every bit as important to the history of the personal computer as Bill Gates, had found an extra 35 years of life back then thanks to a bone marrow transplant. And from the outside looking-in, I’d say he made great use of those 35 extra years.
Of all the early PC guys, Allen was probably the most reclusive. Following his departure from Microsoft in 1983 I met him only four times. But prior to his illness Allen had been a major factor at Microsoft and at MITS, maker of the original Altair 8800 microcomputer for which Microsoft provided the BASIC interpreter and where Allen was later head of software.
Remember it was Allen not Gates, who travelled to Albuquerque and did the first BASIC demo for MITS in 1975.
That MITS job eventually became problematic when Bill Gates used it as a reason to demand 64 percent of Microsoft’s founder shares to Paul Allen’s 36 percent. It was probably the most expensive job in the history of work.
Most of the people who read this won’t have known Paul Allen as a programmer or software executive, just as the reclusive owner of the Portland Trailblazers and Seattle Seahawks.
The guy was a paradox, at once flamboyant and reserved. He owned the world’s largest yacht, called Octopus. That Boeing 757 Donald Trump flew in before becoming U.S. President was previously Allen’s, bought not to fly him but just to fetch guests to and from the yacht, wherever it was sailing in the world at the time.
Paul Allen was a man of great enthusiasms and appetites. In the 1980s it was playing the guitar and his fascination with Seattle native Jimi Hendrix, which led to the purchase of many, many guitars and the creation of what is now The Museum of Pop Culture, the first of several Allen museums. In more recent years he kept at Paine Field the Flying Heritage Museum, one of the largest private collections of military aircraft. Though Allen was not, himself, a pilot, his planes could all fly, and do. And where Oracle’s Larry Ellison used to talk about buying a supersonic MiG-29 fighter, Paul Allen owned a supersonic MiG-29 fighter. I wonder if he ever flew in it?
Paul Allen paid for cool stuff. He kept the SETI Institute alive and looking for signs of extraterrestrial intelligence. He built the Allen Array of radio telescopes to help with that effort and to further explore the universe. He paid for SpaceShipOne and won the Ansari X-Prize. In recent years he had been pouring hundreds of millions into StratoLaunch, a new way of firing satellites into orbit from a giant six-engine aircraft built out of two Boeing 747-400s.
Hardly anything he tried made money, but who cared? Thanks to Microsoft he had more money than any individual could ever spend.
Paul Allen was an exceedingly polite man who came across as not just shy, but wary. This always confused me because of his willingness to make such big financial bets. Why was he so wary of people? The origin story for that attitude can be found in Allen’s autobiography, where he wrote of overhearing Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer allegedly plotting to get back Allen’s Microsoft shares when he was dying in the early 80s.
This wariness was reinforced by people around Allen who gained power by telling him to be suspicious, that nearly every stranger he met wanted something. Maybe it was true, but it always brought an element of sadness to him, at least it seemed that way to me.
And yet there were also moments of simple joy. Late one night 23 years ago in Albuquerque we were hungry. The only place still open was the drive-through at a nearby burger joint. Neither of us had a car, so we walked between cars, waiting to walk up to the window and order. And like just about every other billionaire I’ve ever met, Allen had no money, so dinner was on me.
He was a nice man and left us too soon.
So when I read stories about Norks kidnapping people, I bet there not the only ones to do it, and I bet they do a lot worst things than kidnapping.
Forget people overseas. How about lawyers, doctors, landlords, or just people you unintentionally anger.
I go for routine runs just to offer myself up to people who might want me dead. And I’m poor.
I heard the news this morning on my Alexa daily briefing. I was (am) saddened to know that one of the hero’s (my hero’s) of the technology industry died WAY too young. Thanks for this recap Bob.
Fun to learn more about him. Condolences to his family and those who loved him. Sounds like one of the good ones.
Was Los Pollos Hermanos in business back in ’95? I’ve heard they have the BEST fried chicken!
Living in Seattle for most of my life, after an Army brat childhood, I saw the good things that Paul Allen did always surrounding me. I especially like the Allen Library that Paul Allen built on my alma mater University of Washington campus. Two weeks ago I heard that his cancer had come back, but yesterday I was totally shocked and saddened to hear that Paul Allen had passed away.
I was hoping you would have a post about Paul Allen and was not disappointed.
I first met Paul Allen as a teenager. I know this sounds ridiculous, but I used to pressure-wash his dock and do simple dock maintenance at his house on Mercer Island until the dock, the house, everything was completely replaced. In that time of my life I met a lot of rich people around Lake Washington and the Seattle waterfront. Most of them were not very nice people. The nicest two were Paul Allen and Jeffery Brotman (Costco). Neither of them had to be nice to some kid, but both of them were. Both of them founded companies that completely changed the business world. Maybe it does pay to be nice.
My condolences to his family and friends.
As far as I know, most places with a drive-through window will refuse to serve people on foot; they have a rule about it, for safety reasons. I tried it once when I was hungry but the restaurant area had already closed (for some reason, such places will usually close their dine-in restaurant early but leave the drive-through window running for a few hours after that), and they told me they couldn’t serve me because I didn’t have a car. Perhaps back then, the rules were different.
Excellent piece, thank you very much for writing this!
Nice story.
But Allen always left me with an uneasy feeling. Although there was a strong element of the Jobs/Woz paring in Gates/Allen, the genuinely nasty with the genuinely good, Allen unlike Woz never left me with a warm fuzzy feeling about him.
Unlike Woz, Allen was actually there, was an active principal, when outright frauds like the redrafted licensing agreement ping pong was played with SCC over QDOS. Which ended with SCC accepting on trust the agreement that hd refused to sign multiple times. Starting off with misuse of university computer time Allen in the early days had a history of signing legally binding agreements he had no intention of keeping to. A very MS trait.
Saying all that it was obvious from the very beginning that the evil in MS’s business DNA was mostly from Gates. But Allen was never some helpless innocent bystander. He made his contribution to the founding of MS as the vicious nasty predatory company it always was.
So maybe unassuming and easy going in person but still one of the prime mover in creating MS EvilCorp. Which at least for me, gives pause for thought.
I watched Cringely’s excellent documentary “Triumph of the Nerds” the day before Allen died. I was very surprised, and disheartened, to read he was donating $100K to the GOP to keep the House just about six weeks before he died. I can’t understand that. Didn’t he have enough money? Didn’t he care about Roe v. Wade and other issues?
And just when I was ready to abandon returning to this site forever. Great Eulogy Bob, I’m glad you were able to meet Paul Allen, just like I’ve met Bob Crandall three times, and Parker Harris once. I’ve met astronauts, and one of my best friends from high school designed the lab pods that are used on the Space Station (he also did the ones for the shuttle when it was flying). I designed, wrote, and tested the Microsoft Windows-based software library that SABRE and AA uses to communicate between their front-end processors and ALL of their MS Windows systems, including at airports and travel agencies. And that was done in 1995-1997. (21-23 years ago). These days, I just audit eCommerce sites. I probably won’t return. I was expecting insights into the current state of silicon valley and future directions, but I’m convinced at this point, that all your “contacts” are probably like Paul Allen, retired or dead, and not really “in the game” anymore. Get in the game, Bob/Marc, or go find a new career as a Santa Rosa Uber driver. I’m done.
“I met him only four times…”
Would love to hear those stories.
This is a technology forum….please keep your politics out of it. We all want to hear about issues and stories related to our industry and the current (and past) events and people that are part of it….no one here gives a hoot nor wants to hear what your poltical beliefs are.
I could just as soon complain about the donations of the VAST majority of Silicon Valley/technology organization-related executives make to the Democrat Party. Don’t THEY have enough money? Don’t they care about the Democrats’ trampling of the presumption of innocence? Don’t they care about the Democrats’ inciting mob violence? Don’t they care about the Democrats’ selling out of the working class?
In other words, this could go on and on ad nauseum, but there’s plenty of other places you can spout your partisan/slanted dogma. Not here, please.
@Arthur T. Murray: Didn’t he also do he EMP Museum in Seattle? I used to go up there (from Southern Cal) quite a bit in the late 90’s / early 2000’s, and I happened to attend its grand opening, and remember how innovative it was at the time. In fact, ever since that visit, my wife and I always referred to it as “The Jimi Hendrix Museum” (speaking of other talented Seattle natives 🙂
@FormerTXIBMer: You know, alot of people have other beef’s with Cringely and it’s not for me to really say one way or the other if they’re legit, but I have to say your comments are inappropriate, way off-base, and I couldn’t disagree with your opinion more strongly.
I am, and I suspect many of the readers of Cringely’s articles, are late 50’s / early 60’s kind of guys (and some gals too I suspect) who came up in this “PC industry” in the 1980’s, and we LOVE to hear these nostalgic stories and reminiscences of the forefathers of our industry…..it was a wild and crazy time of inventiveness and doing things in a totally new way, and involved alot of larger-than-life personalities, and fascinating stories.
Call it an old curmudeon’s wistfulness for an earlier time if you want, but it’s not like the majority of Bob’s columns are of this type. A giant of our industry, one of its founders….and a man who changed the way many of us live on a day-to-day basis…..died yesterday. Bob’s above column on Paul Allen is most definitely fitting and appropriate for this forum.
Excellent piece, Bob. Thanks for the great story, the great memories it brought back, and the excellent insight.
@jmc: Interesting points, and I cannot really disagree….Microsoft and Bill Gates absolutely quite evil and vicious in the 1980’s….more so in my opinion than Steve Jobs and Apple ever was. But, for some reason, it’s Jobs who still gets the bad rap, while Gates and Allen and Ballmer get a pass.
I still seem to hear frequently about how nasty Jobs could be to his people, and plenty of anti-Jobs bias, but Gates and Microsoft (and presumably Allen’s complicity), which was just as bullying and destructive to individuals and vulnerable companies, gets a pass.
I’m almost certain it must be because of Gates and Allen’s transformation into philanthropists after leaving Microsoft, and the fact that they took their billions and donated it into charitable and humanitarian ventures. I don’t know if that equates to “un-doing” their previous years of ruthlessness, but that seems to be how they are regarded in today’s culture. Jobs never did anything similar….or at least he didn’t get a chance to before dying so young.
There’s a lot of truth to what JMC said. I remember when he began to shut down all of his “fun” companies and Vulcan developed this new specialization in patent trolling (suing all major companies other than Microsoft) for a portfolio of patents his company had acquired/claimed. Presumably he just wanted to recoup for all of those companies he ran that didn’t make money. “Who cared?” Paul did, I guess. It was like he went from the benevolent, jolly Daddy Warbucks to just a craven asshole in one swift pivot.
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Around the same time is when he bankrupted the Portland arena he himself built and put the team up for sale. A couple years later he bought the arena back from the creditors and refused to sell the team after several groups had put up (very good) offers. Bob captured some of this but there was a real strange yin/yang pendulum shift to the guy as judged by his public actions rather than private encounters.
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And then at one point I remember he kept one of the iterations (the first? I think) of TechTV running just because he liked to watch it. And then one day he pulled the plug.
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All this stuff he was entitled to do, he owned them. But I never understood why. It was like he got bored.
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I guess the lesson is that when people with that much money get bored, lots of little people take it in gut.
@Ken Dee
I think the key difference between Gates and Jobs is that Jobs had an pronounced streak of pure cruelty in him, he was a sadist, whereas Gates just wanted to win at all costs. No matter what the cost. To me the death of Jobs was a case of good riddance where as Gates was always just someone I would never do business with.
When I lived in Madison Park, across the lake from Gates place in Medina, Gates and the family used to come over to the Village all the time and it never once crossed my mind to do anything other than what the locals did, respect their privacy and just treat them like anyone else. With politeness and courtesy. Their kids played in the playground at the bottom of Madison with all the other kids. I really could not image that happening ever happening in Palo Alto. For lots of reasons. Including my total contempt for Jobs. And his utter contempt for pretty much everyone.
Once when I was in Seattle, Bellevue actually, I got the perfect conformation for Cringleys description of Gates in Accidental Empires. I was rereading the book at the time and my friends mother, a retired nurse, picked up the book and seemed intrigued. I gave her my copy and she said, I must show this book to my friend, she is a good friend of Mary and has known Bill since he was a baby. On my next visit to my friends mother a few months later I asked about the book. If she had read it. She had. As had her friend who knew Bill since childhood. And the verdict? Yes, that’s the Bill I know…
I might add Bobs characterization of Gates was far from flattering. Very far.
But back to Allen. It is the fact he was been compared with the Gates, Jobs and Elisions of the world that he looks so good in comparison. If compared to senior people in other industries over the decades then his reputation would not look so good. Based on everything I have heard about Allen, bother pre and post 1983, he was never anyone I would have done business with. I can think of several people in the business who had some, lets say, questionable business dealing over the years, but were basically straight. You could do business with them. But be very careful. Allen never struck me as even one of those. He was always someone who was just off, but not quite in a way I could exactly put my finger on.
@FormerTXIBMer and supporting Ken Dee’s comment:
This is Bob’s blog, and if isn’t agreeable to you at whatever level, why are you here? From comments over the years, there are are a lot of us that appreciate Bob’s insights and his bothering to go go the the unpaid trouble to communicate them. So, too, thanks Bob!
Thanks for this writeup Bob, well done!
As @Mary mentioned “Triumph of the Nerds” – this three hour PBS series is absolutely Bob’s finest piece of work and the three hour sequel “Nerds 2.0.1” should get an honorable mention.
Say what you want about Bob’s failures (tinfoil drives, NerdTV, space races, airplane builds and of course the latest one) however, “Triumph of the Nerds” is an awesome documentary of how the personal computer business got started.
With yet another one of the PC pioneers gone it’s a great series to watch or rewatch to revisit the birth of the PC industry. It’s a very quick and enjoyable six hours.
@jmc: Loved your intelligent and insightful comments and agree with all of them EXCEPT I think we are gonna have to agree to disagree about Jobs, And, in fact, with all due respect, your comments on him are exactly the type of…..can I call it “distortion” (again no insult intended) that seems to be pervasive in current literature about Jobs vs. Gates, whereas in my opinion it was Gates who had as much a vicious streak (in fact, could not a “win at all costs no matter who it destroys in the process” be considered cruelty in itself? as Jobs. Whereas Jobs, IMO, had such an obsession….a mania really…..to create products that fit his definition of perfect that HE didn’t care who it destroyed in the process.
The fact that Jobs did this destroying of souls while confronting people and screaming in their face about it, and Gates did it while smiling as the knife was plunged in their back, if anything makes me more respectful of Jobs where at least you knew what you were getting.
In any case, I think you and I agree in principal and only differ in matter or personality differences. The bottom line is that very often great things have been created that improved and lifted the world by people whose individual lives were really horrible….Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford supported Nazi’s, Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, John Lennon was known to have physically abused women, etc. etc. Notwithstanding today’s historical revisionism which makes it in vogue to attack great men of history for their flaws, my personal “rating system” is based on what they gave the world to improve it. On that basis, guys like Jobs, Gate, Paul Allen (and a whole host of others less well-known) are still heroes…whether or not they were sh!tty in personal life. But that’s just my two cents’ worth!
@Ken Dee
I never liked MS much and had bad experience with them but you have to admit that Bil Gates enabled just everyone to have reasonable priced or even cheap computer on the desk while Jobs always created way overpriced computers for upper class and upper middle class people only. I admire Gates more than Jobs for 2 reasons : number one he allowed everyone to experience the benefits and joy of personal computing and number two his philanthropy work. I won’t mention treatment of other people because CEOs get away with it all the time.
Apple is always more about style than substance. Hell for the price of their top of the line pro line you can buy home supercomputer from Velocity Micro AVA or some other gpu computing manufacturer. Can you remember of time when they licensed their OS and went almost out of business because they were squeezed out both on the top and low end. Power Computing was making joke out of Apple on the top end with their computers. Jobs killed licensing as soon as he came back to Apple because he could not function in competitive environment. That was a reason why he positioned Apple to be consumer company only.
Here’s what Bill Gates said:
https://www.gatesnotes.com/About-Bill-Gates/Remembering-Paul-Allen
@granville: are you sure you aren’t thinking of former MS CTO Nathan Myhrvold’s Intellectual Ventures? I took a look at the Wikipedia page for Vulcan and couldn’t find any mention of patent trolling.
@Ken Dee: The EMP Museum was renamed to the Museum of Pop culture ( MoPOP ) in 2016. News to me too!
Allen launched his patent assault on the rest of the industry via Interval Licensing, not Vulcan…
…though if one does a search for Vulcan Ventures, it also returns some dirty laundry type stuff.
@JJones – just look up “Paul Allen” + Patent Troll.
https://www.wired.com/2010/08/paul-allen-patent-lawsuit/
“The four patents at issue allegedly cover basics of online commerce, including recommending products to a user based on what they are currently looking at, and allowing readers of a news story to see other stories based on the current one. Two other patents relate to showing other information on a web page, such as news updates or stock quotes.”
[…] See also: Robert X. Cringely. […]
So what Cringely is saying is he was strung along by Allen four times until he got scalped for a burger?
Great article mr Cringely! I remember that you started your Triumph of the Nerds documentary with a shot of Allen watching his team play basketball. I know Allen was instrumental but did not know all his great contributions to the many fields you mentioned. Thank you!
@jmc Too soon. Hagiography during periods of mourning is the norm. While I agree with most of your criticisms, and could add some of my own, can’t we hit pause for a moment? I’m sure there some clichés about speaking poorly of the dead…
For some insight into Jobs and Gates, et all see https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/power-causes-brain-damage/528711/
@Gnarfle Great article, thanks. It explains a lot.
Great post. Glad to know about Paul Allen.
Thanks for sharing.
I’m really amazed at Cringely’s ability to take advtantage of any situation where he can insert his name in the same sentence as a famous person. You can bet your bottom dollar Cringely will be a million steps removed when the obituary for the mineserver project is finally written.
I wondered whether Paul Allen went out with a death erection but reading his actual cause of death was septic shock I very much doubt this. Septic shock can be an appalling excrutiating and painful drawn out death over a a number of days. It is a seriously unfunny way of dying. It is so unfunny I can’t bring myself to joke about his billions not easing his pain. It’s up there was a bullet shot to the lower intestines and crying for mother while stuck in a muddy trench holding your entrails in as some poor unfortunates have suffered during war. There is nothing glamorous about an end like this. It is abrupt and nasty and final as an ending could be with nothing but the fear of dark oblivion or another second stretching into eternity of utter horror realising there is no escape from your fate. Honestly, I’ll be glad to be back to reading people’s complaints about the minserver project just to cheer things up!
@trashtalk Thank you for that message. It was surprisingly the most heartfelt and deep comment I read from all of the above and really helped to humanize Paul Allen and his suffering rather than just regurgitating wiki bullet points. Thank you for taking us, even if only mildly, on that journey with Mr. Allen so that others could hear his screams and he didn’t have to suffer alone, even if posthumously…
The story is almost completely about Paul Allen the Billionaire and every paragraph was written from the perspective of what he did with money or if he didn’t have any money. Except at the start whIch was about programming BASIC, which was always kind of a dumb programming language.
What Paul Allen and Bill Gates did with that first BASIC is simply amazing. It would run in 4K of RAM!
The BASIC itself was approx. 3200 bytes of code leaving 800 bytes for the program.
It supported 32 bit floating point with transcendentals. Ie:sin, cos, etc.
At the time you could get a library of subroutines to do the said floating point operations. The library was about 1600 bytes.
So Allen and Gates did the rest of the BASIC interpreter in a total of 1600 bytes. Amazing!!
For the record, a 4 MHz Intel 8080 would do this benchmark:
For I = 1 to 1000
Next I
In just under 4 seconds. That was the normal max clock for the cpu.
Allen and Gates also did a version of the interpreter for the Motorola 6800.
Max clock for the 6800 was 1 MHz.
Intel and Motorola processed things internally in different ways.
The 6800 version at max clock did the benchmark at 3.2 seconds. marginally faster.
1600 bytes!
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Great post. Glad to know about Paul Allen.
Thanks for sharing.
In Bob-speak, when he says he “met him only four times”, what it really means is that he “once read a magazine article about him”….
Charles Wang, cofounder of Computer Associates passed.
Do you have anything, Robert?
@Karel Don’t worry, I’m sure Bob met with Charles MANY times and will tell us nothing that anyone Googling the Charles Wang could have said. What a joke…
Cringely leveraged himself onto Kai-Fu Lee in one article. I’m expecting not longer after Cringely believes we have forgotten he’ll manage to find a way to write an article about something he read in the media and Googled after for the background that when he was talking with Kai-Fu Lee… A few drinks and scandals later and we’ll be hearing about his best friend Kai-Fu Lee and how they had a great time and buried almost unnoticeably a passive anger remark in passing how Kai-Fu Lee was cheap.
Eric Schmidt of Google wasn’t cheap. He kept a mistress on the company books. Paul Allen had a large jet until he sold it to Donald Trump to ferry his mistress from place to place. Paul Allen was single and a billionaire. Am I the only person here who thinks it unusual that Paul Allen didn’t have sex or have at least one woman in his life? I still don’t know much about Paul Allen as a man. His life seemed strangely empty.
I personally prefer classy clients and this is the market I aim for. There is something about a well dressed self-made man who knows how to spoil a lady I like. Gay men not so much…
@trashtalk
Very interesting trolling. Very much the tone of a rather nasty angry perma-teen about it. I am sure you are just as snide, and uninformed, in person. All attitude, no substance.
You medical knowledge is just as deficient as your familiarity with the various rumors kicking around over the decades. Nothing new in your insinuations to those of us who have been kicking around the business for decades. So what if there is substance to any of them. It actually does not matter.
As I said, the tone of your postings, indicate that you are one of those bitter people who have achieved exactly zero professionally with your mediocre technical skills. Very much a cliche individual. Lots of them about.
The only question remaining is why you choose this venue and this thread to air your frankly rather fatuous opinions. The suppressed frustrations of of dead end IT support guy perhaps.
>bought not to fly him but just to fetch guests to and from the yacht, wherever it was sailing in the world at the time.
I didn’t know you could land a 747 on a yacht.
@jmc
I’m a prostitute relaxing to a classic film after a very satisfying time with a valued client. Your comments are water off a duck’s back.
So you are saying there have been rumours about Paul Allen for years? Ooh, I lovea good scandal. Tell us more.
@trashtalk
Nope. You are some hirsute overweight guy whose highlight of your life is ogling the cuter cosplay girls at some comicon and whose day job is lightweight IT support in some nondescript office. Thats if you are not some acne packed teen living in your parents basement. Often very hard to tell the difference.
Not only have I been working in and around the Valley for four decades by this stage but I learned about all the various species of trolls in the early days of The Well. Still one of the nastiest online forums I’ve experienced in 30 years online. Makes 4Chan look all hugs and cuddles.
As for Allen. If you were as knowledgeable as you claimed to be, which you are nt, you would know exactly what I was talking about. There are a lot of industry old timers here who do. So basically, as you are a non industry non entity, none of your business.
@DWoamch
I remember using both MS Applesoft BASIC and the Integer BASIC (written by Woz) on the original 4k Apple II. In 1977/78. MS Applesoft BASIC may have had a lot more bells and whistles but Woz’s Integer BASIC was the much faster and much more usable language on the early Apple II’s. On the Apple II Plus Applesoft BASIC was almost usable but it was not until the 2E that it was “better” that Woz’s original Integer BASIC. So pretty much all early BASIC programs on the Apple II were written in Integer BASIC.
My experience with the S-100 8080A/Z80 MS BASIC was more limited but it seemed to have all the problems of the 6502 Applesoft BASIC. There were better BASIC interpreters out there at the time.
@jmc
No really. I am a prostitute. Your cut and paste fantasy may have worked in the past against feeble minds but this time you are wrong. Your crap about BASIC screams Mr Two Inch to me not to mention your none performance on spilling oh so secret details like you are in a special exclusive club. There’s more to life than the box you inhabit. Cheer up! It may never happen. lol
Back to the subject why did Cringely write such an impersonal obituary for a self-styled insider and if you know as mucha s you claim you do why no backfill on Paul Allen as a human being?
I wouldn’t be surprised if this blog was an excuse to shut down mineserver discussion. Hiding behind a dead man? How chicken.
The lesson for today is: Before you make grandiose claims, make sure you have something to back them up with. That goes for Bob as well as for his commenters. 🙂
@trashtalk
As you are still digging while in a very deep hole that pretty much confirms you are some stupid spotty little teenager still living with their parents in some insipid tract-house in some pointless suburb in Podunc, USA. So go back to your xBox 360 and leave this conversation to the grown ups.
As a parent of once spotty teens I am well used to your kind of crap. Grow up and get a life.
As for Cringely. Someone I have been reading with pleasure since the Infoworld day in the mid 1980’s. Long before you were born. Never met him but friends of friends etc. Its a small business. In all the decades I have know his work I have only seen him do one really stupid thing. Get involved with the Kickstarter kooks. Around 99% of crowdsourcing investors are fine reasonable people. The other 1% are a nightmare mixture of kooks, cranks and creeps. As has been amply demonstrated in this forum over the last few years. His is not the first story of this type I have seen.
Anyway, when you do eventually grow up you strike me very much as the type of complete loser who will need to buy sex. People like you always do. Its never about sex, always about power. And given some of the stories I’ve have heard around SF over the decades the only people who are sadder and more pathetic than the street walkers themselves are their clients. In almost all cases those working the streets at least have the excuse of the trauma of some past abuse. The clients on the other hand, total losers. Usually the sort of pathetic men who commit domestic abuse and violence. Which is also all about power.
It aint like you’ve seen on TV. Which seems to be as close as you have ever got to the real world. Or ever likely to get. Based on the evidence of your rather juvenile postings here so far.
What part of “I am a prostitute” didn’t you hear? Yes I sell my body for sex. If what you say about prositition is is the limits of your knowledge you know nothing about prositition and really are making a total ass of yourself about the subject. You also know even less about me and I’m quite happy with this.
As things happened I just got off the phone from a client planning on travelling in to see me. He seemed very decent as many of my clients are. Perhaps he would be a loser to you or what is considered success in modern society but I prefer losers like him every time to a blowhard no matter how much money they have. Not all clients are loaded and I’ve had a few who have had to save up to see me. There are also times when I feel guilty for taking the money.
Weren’t we supposed to be talking about some old rich now dead guy?
ot: ibm bought redhat linux for 34 billion. claims to be largest hybrid cloud provider.
bezos is laughing his ass off.
@jmc – Unfortunately, you seem to have gotten your statistics reversed. On Kickstarter the vast majority of projects are run by decent people and the vast majority of backers understand when projects don’t go as planned. What happened to the Mineserver project is close to criminal fraud. What was billed as a project “that needed cases to be able to ship quickly” has turned into well over two years of lies and unfilled promises.
@jmc You are so misinformed it’s sad. Rather than you, who is content to spew opinions, I’m going to share some facts. You like to support Bob, your perfect hero who can do no wrong, but he has not updated the Kickstarter site in over 2 years (Nov 10, 2016). The last thing he said was “shipping the week after next”. He literally has NEVER been heard from again on Kickstarter, where he is contractually obligated to communicate with his backers. He essentially took the money and ran and never approached the people who he took the money from to apologize/explain.
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If you think that is Bob taking the highroad in this situation, then you are as much a coward/thief as him. I don’t care that a product was never delivered; I did it for the thrill of Kickstarter and to support Bob, who at the time I respected. But he handled this situation so poorly that he lost my, and clearly others, respect.
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Like you, I had blinders before the Kickstarter and held Bob in high regard. Ever since then, my rose-tinted goggles have lost their charm and I can see through his lies and negligence. Maybe some day you will too, but my guess is you are too far gone to be reached. GL in your ignorance, the world is going to tear you apart…
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@trashtalk
You are a pathetic stupid kid trying to be a smart ass. And failing miserably. Like all idiot kids trying to do this. But with every pass you just sound more and more juvenile. By this stage you sound like a particularly immature 13 year old. With zero social skills and zero knowledge of the real world outside of the sad little suburb you currently live in.
You are just a sad little idiot. End of story.
@Rebuttal et al
I have followed the story from the very beginning. A small percentage of people who bough a non-recourse *option* on the proposed hardware have been trolling here for years now by this stage. I looked at the numbers who bough the option v the very small number who have been whining incessantly in the comments pages here fits the stats I quoted pretty closely.
As I explained before in a previous thread I learned decades ago in high risk / early stage software startups that the “complete refund if not satisfied” guarantee was worth its weight in gold as a way of getting rid of the tiny minority of crank customers who accounted for most support costs.
Their demands were never reasonable, their technical ignorance was almost infinite , and their unwillingness to compromise was unshiftable. So politely give them their money back, which they almost always complained about too, and get rid of them. A complete and total waste of time. Better to spend ones time with the vast majority of ones customers. Who were usually very pleasant to deal with and often a delight.
Although there were some reasonable voices of complaint in the early days of comments here very soon all I heard was the same incessant whining tone I have come to recognize as the unreasonable customer to be got rid off as soon as possible. I kept hearing the same half dozen people recite the same old tired “complaints”. Over and over and over again. Hijacking every thread. Destroying any sympathy one might have had for them. You bought an option for a promised product. Nothing more. It did not work out. Get over it. And get a life.
I think the only mistake Cringley made was not getting rid of the few unreasonable whiners early on by giving them their money back. It would have been a few $K very well spent. And by not deleted immediately all comments on threads not directly related to the Kickstarter project that mentioned the KS project. We come here to read comments on the thread posting that relate to the subject at hand. Not to to listen to a tiny minority of trolls who act like spoiled brats and try to scream everything down because a bet of $100 or so, which is exactly what it was, did not have a pay off.
Anyway, now back to our regular programming. Tech billionaires and anecdotes about such. I cannot imagine anyone telling warm cuddly anecdotes about Ellison. To pick just one example.
@jmc I noticed that you disregarded Rebuttal’s comment about the fact that Bob has never posted a follow-up on Kickstarter in nearly 2 years. You, like Bob, love to very conveniently skip over very important tidbits, but that is a VERY important point that throws out most of your case.
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It was because Bob went MIA for MONTHS that the whiners ever came here to this blog (they were content whining on the Kickstarter site prior, leaving you all alone). When the first comment rolled in here and Bob noticed this, he did not have a normal response of “oh shoot! You’re right!” and update the Kickstarter site. No, he’s too classy for that. he proceeded to do exactly what you just did, bashing the backers, calling them a nuisance, and continuing to ignore them.
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So every time you are upset that this flame war exists/has persisted, I KNOW you’re going to just blame the K$ backers, since you made up your mind many months ago and reason isn’t creeping in, but on the off chance that there is any intelligence between those ears, know that all of this started and could have been prevented by your fearless leader. You’re just too busy dusting off his shoes to notice. Congrats, you’re moron.
@jmc Just because you say something doesn’t make it true. You decided trashtalk wasn’t a female prostitute and you are riding that story to the grave. She has told you many times that she is and has given none of us any reason to doubt that, so just get over it move on. You made an outrageous claim, she called you on it, you’re wrong. Don’t show everyone how ignorant you are by continuing to stand up and claim otherwise. It’s just making any of your other statements seem less and less credible.
@Jeff Miller Re: the tute. I don’t think he ever claimed to be female. I always picture a young male, practicing his porn writing skills. In view of all the recent violence in the news, I just hope it’s nothing more serious than porn writing.
I conked out after shopping and missed a call from a very valued client. This is really annoying as I had just found an amazing well known expensive brand cocktail dress I had forgotten about in my wardrobe. I thought it would be ideal if we had some of his nice Italian wine at his place again.
I’m the complete opposite of what @jmc claimed. This should give him food for thought. Anyway, I’m out of tech and find working as an escort is better in a lot of ways. I cannot breach client confidentiality nor abuse insider information shared in trust but can certainly give input on one huge tech story in the news this past year. Most of you will know this or guess at some of the industry realities. You just won’t get to hear the gossip and gripes some clients share with me. I wouldn’t know what to do with the information anyway plus am not interested in sawing off the branch I am sitting on.
@ronc You’re wrong too. Stop porjecting your unconcious nightmares.
There was little to nothing in Cringely’s obituary which had the personal touch and this was true of many other obituaries. What was he like as company? It seems he was very akward and even his parties were covered by NDA. Nobody ever revealed his human side.
@Ronc actually, trashtalk did reveal that she was female. Someone asked her pointblank back in this post of Bob’s: https://www.cringely.com/2018/05/21/cloud-computing-may-finally-end-the-productivity-paradox/
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@2018 Census Survey asked: “@trashtalk It ultimately doesn’t matter, but would you be willing to settle a debate for me? My friend thinks you are a female but I was always under the impression that you were male. Thanks for your help, appreciate all you do. 🙂”
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@trashtalk responded: “What an odd question. Nobody would pay to have sex with me if I was a man!”
Re: “Nobody would pay to have sex with me if I was a man!” That doesn’t answer the question. He could be a male and not make money, he could be a male and specialize in homosexuals, or he could be a transvestite or a transsexual trying to fool desperate straight guys. It’s also possible that no matter what he says, he’s just trying to entertain Bob’s readers, so he must maintain the illusion. Believe what you wish.
@Ronc “That doesn’t answer the question. He could be a male and not make money”
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I will concede that this is true as a standalone statement, but trashtalk constantly boasts about her clientele, so I think, assuming we are believing her word as true, that she does make money and therefore is a female. I personally was in your camp and believed she was a man until this comment and re-reading some others from the past. So agreed, believe what you wish, but I am choosing to go along with her narrative and trust she is a woman based on all things laid out.
This is amazing story. It’s really very good. Thanks.
Does anyone know how Paul’s passing will affect Seattle’s Living Computers Museum + Labs? They host what is probably the only running SDS/XDS Sigma mainframe on the planet.
A story to learn 🙁
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