One of the darkest secrets of Information Technology (IT) is called the Productivity Paradox. Google it and you’ll learn that for at least 40 years and study after study it has been the case that spending money on IT — any money — doesn’t increase organizational productivity. We don’t talk about this much as an industry because it’s the negative side of IT. Instead we speak in terms of Return on Investment (ROI), or Total Cost of Ownership (TCO). But there is finally some good news: Cloud computing actually increases productivity and we can prove it.
The Productivity Paradox doesn’t claim that IT is useless, by the way, just that we tend to spend more money on it than we get back in benefits from those expenditures. IT still enabled everything from precision engineering to desktop publishing to doctoring movie star photos, but did so at a considerable cost. Follow the history of any organization more than 50-60 years old and you’ll see that they acquired along the way whole divisions devoted not to manufacturing or sales but just to schlepping bits and keeping them safe. Yes, IT reduced the need for secretaries, telephone operators, and travel agents, but it more than replaced those with geeks generally making higher wages.
At the heart of the Productivity Paradox is the simple fact that power in organizations is generally measured in terms of head count. The more people a manager manages the more power he or she is assumed to have in their organization. So there has always been a trend toward over-hiring simply as a symptom of executive ego. Every manager wants a bigger budget this year than last year. Add to this the frequent failure of large IT projects and productivity (units of output or profit per person-hour) suffers.
It doesn’t hurt, either, that in most non-tech companies the CEO is generally clueless about what’s actually needed in terms of IT and what it ought to cost, with the CTO or the CIO gleefully working to keep the boss in the dark.
This trend is not true everywhere, of course. Organizations in crisis, especially those that appear to be dying, can slash and burn their way to IT-based productivity increases. But the industry as a whole is at best stagnant in terms of productivity growth.
This is not to say that companies can’t build whole new divisions based on digital tech — divisions that help the company grow as a whole. But purely in terms of sales or profits per employee, IT rarely helps the company improve those particular numbers — the ones upon which we base productivity.
But cloud computing is different because it is the ultimate shared resource. Public or private clouds are virtual production pipelines that take almost no management personnel (breaking the headcount conundrum) and can be managed to run at close to 100 percent utilization leading to true productivity improvements.
When we put Windows and Linux applications in the cloud and manage them there, for example, we win in terms of TCO, ROI and productivity because our ratio of cloud employees to users is about 10,000-to-one. Imagine a 10,000-employee company with one IT person.
And though these clouds are multi-billion-dollar technology projects bigger than anything ever built before, they aren’t especially risky at all because these clouds and their core services are for the most part finished and already work.
Though cloud services are charged by the by the hour, minute, or second, capital costs are minimal and sometimes zero, since new customers can generally start with their old hardware. And even when they turn to dedicated new hardware with its greater reliability and energy efficiency, purchase prices are dramatically lower than PCs and required hardware upgrades can be many years apart. Think of cloud hardware in terms of epochs. In terms of end-user cloud computing, we’re right now in the 1920-by-1080 LCD display epoch, which should be fine until everyone is ready for 4K a few years from now, at which point the upgrade will cost no more and probably substantially less.
The labor component of a cloud installation is more like maintaining a phone system than a computer network. It’s mainly plug-and-play.
There are almost constant hardware upgrades in the cloud, of course (Amazon’s AWS, Microsoft’s Azure and the Google Cloud are in a continuous arms race, constantly adding both capacity and capability. But these upgrades are mainly transparent to users and are included in a service price that is, paradoxically, always going down.
Traditional IT departments worry a lot about data security, but in a well-designed client installation that’s handled in the cloud, too. Every workstation boot starts with a clean OS image from read-only storage, giving viruses and malware no place to hide. Scanning for bad code happens in the cloud, too, and is both automatic and totally up-to-date.
The cloud’s innate security, along with its inherent reliability, explain why we have become so important to government customers who really can’t afford to be hacked.
While lower hardware, labor, and software costs finally drive productivity for cloud customers, Moore’s Law also ensures that these productivity gains will continue into the future. The cloud is, after all, a market that has dropped in cost by 30-50 percent per year for the last decade with no change to that trend in sight.
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As always an interesting and thought provoking article. A question I have is when will these Cloud providers be designated “critical infrastructure” by a/the government meaning its uninterrupted functioning is critical to our economy like the electrical grid or air traffic control?
As such it would require more active, robust defenses from “attack” by foreign or State actors to insure uninterrupted service delivery or is there something I am missing about Cloud that makes it invulnerable to disruption?
You convinced your reader to not trust or use the cloud Minecraft servers. You stated the best option was local hardware with local control. Is this no longer the case? What is your opinion on having a local Minecraft server now?
You lost me here Bob – this is the same old argument that an outsourcer can do the same job cheaper than in house staff. That went well as many companies brought IT back in house.
All the cloud is doing is kicking the problem to someone else – you have to pay that someone else and the quality of the service you get is rarely as good as a strong internal IT team.
An Exchange mailbox goes bad? The cloud doesn’t magically fix it. An Oracle data performs poorly or an upgrade goes wrong? Yep, still humans fixing the problem.
Your employees want high speed to the desktop with fast response from applications. Well, err, that bandwidth to the cloud is a tad lower than the internal 10 GB network.
I get that as an industry we continue to use the bad actors as our example as to why IT is best purchased elsewhere. But wait – many of those large projects that failed were done by outside vendors. We spend little time celebrating the shops that do well with low expenses. Yes it can be done.
The cloud is the latest in a long-line of solutions that are supposed to fix all of our problems. It doesn’t – it just moves the problems. I have yet to meet a self-healing computer.
Two weeks ago our SaaS HR solution broke — for all of their customers — for three days. AWS didn’t fix it and we had no control over the issue, running to manual workarounds. My longest outage for our internal software in the last 10 years? 30 minutes.
It all comes down to what a business needs. If they need to scale rapidly during busy periods the cloud offers great opportunity. Small business gets access to things that never could have afforded in the cloud. Mid and large sized companies? Not so much.
We will have to agree to disagree Bob. Hype doesn’t equate to results.
I second what Scott says. You told us here on this site that cloud Minecraft servers were not to be trusted and as such were making a hardware solution that had the Bob seal of approval. Now you’re backpedaling and saying that cloud is the way to go?
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Does this mean you’re ready to announce that Mineservers are dead so we can put this whole nonsense behind us? I for one am ready for it to be over and to stop seeing comments on this blog about it. Can you just pull the rug out and put everyone out of their misery so the rest of us who are here to actually read your blog can live in peace? It’s got old over a year ago, now it’s rotting and I fear the stench is driving people away…
I agree. Bob’s crystal ball is… cloudy.
(*runs for cover*)
That should have been a reply to Dave’s comment. Didn’t get attached to it for some reason.
I think the internet age has brought these productivity improvements by sharing stuff over the internet whether it be SAAS or cloud computing. Before the internet age companies used to buy, expensive, leased lines from Teleco monopolies.
All the people who disparage cloud computing don’t seem to be buying leased lines from telecos instead of just hooking up to the shared internet. -) Sharing seems to ok for some things.
Not sure I understand the paradox, as IT often enables productivity. So while I get overall the U.S. Economy might be slowing, the absences of IT would surly grind it to a haul- right?
Oh yeah- and boo Minecraft server- or whatever.
10,000 employees. And 1 IT person. Really? Seriously doubt it.
Let me make this simpler. I’m sorry AWS didn’t do its job for three days, but what you are talking about is an application, not the environment in which the application lives. There will always be problems with software vendors just as there will always be problems with employees. That has little to do with clouds. Yes, the vendor pointed at AWS but how were they at fault, precisely? In my experience everyone points at everyone else but the cloud is very reliable.
Now the productivity part. IT doesn’t increase productivity (sales per employee) because it adds a whole layer of new people on top of the old people. And, as I explained, managers actually tend to prefer lower productivity if that means more minions.
While this looks to some like outsourcing I think it is different. It is different because the cloud dissociates IT from labor. Who is doing the work of creating these instances? How many people are required? Nobody knows. And that’s good because cloud customers therefore aren’t in a position to demand more people on the job whether actually needed or not. With outsourcing you know precisely the labor component because you are paying for it directly and that revenue model works better for the vendor the less efficient they are. That’s not the cloud.
Finally, let’s face this Mineserver issue. I’ll do this in more detail in an upcoming column but may as well hit the high points here. As you may know, I went blind and then my house (also the Mineserver factory) burned down along with 4700 other homes here in Sonoma County. Twenty-two people died. When there is $10+ billion in residential losses as there are here, insurance companies go into a mode where they believe their primary job is to NOT pay people. We have yet to see a cent, nor have most of our neighbors. Our claim is well in excess of $1 million of which about $30,000 is for Mineserver tooling and parts. The best estimate here is that it will take two years (16 more months) for most of us to receive our settlements. And our insurance company in particular (the Good Hands People) doesn’t think it should have to pay for melted Mineservers AT ALL.
So we can’t count on insurance to get this business back in operation. We couldn’t count on me, either, as long as I was blind. I don’t know if you’ve ever been blind, but day-to-day functioning is difficult, especially if you are a refugee from a natural disaster. Well now my sight is restored and though we still don’t have a place to build anything, we’re back in the Mineserver business, preparing a successor model because the available boards and other parts have all changed.
I’ve pretty much said all of this 2-3 times now along with explaining that I am SORRY. I’m SORRY that I lost my sight. I am SORRY that I lost my house. I am SORRY that I couldn’t deliver on time to people the Mineservers on which we were already losing an average of $30 each. And now I am SORRY that I have to build 350+ new Mineservers entirely at my expense. I am SORRY, too, that it has taken so long. But I’m doing my best.
Every supporter will get their Mineserver before the end of this year. It would be cheaper for me to just give them their money back but right now I can’t put together that much in one lump. And besides, the point is to deliver a cool device, which we will.
How, exactly, would you do it better?
I’m SORRY you’ve had all this s**t happen to you, but I don’t think anyone has really looked for anything beyond an occasional update. Which you promise frequently, then never deliver. You’ve more than demonstrated being able to have a presence here, so it’s hard to understand why you have to come in with a dramatic tiny violin. I don’t downplay your misfortune, but you’re trying to paint everyone else as the a**holes daring to get some information out of you, when you ignore the topic time and time again, well before any of the recent crap happened to you. So how would I do it better? I’d post more frequent tiny blurbs rather than the incredibly rare, unnecessarily melodramatic, outpouring. Thank you for addressing the topic, regardless. I do hope you and the family are OK and that the insurance does their job.
Bob, I appreciate you responding, let me start with that. I agree that you have had a series of unfortunate events and in the grand scheme of thing, a $99 Mineserver is nothing compared to going blind, losing your home, etc..
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I would say that I don’t believe I’ve ever heard a sincere apology from you on this blog, despite you saying you’ve delivered one. Perhaps you think you’ve given one but never truly put it down in words. I’ve been looking/waiting for one and have yet to see it. It’s worth noting that I don’t really view your apology above as being sincere and comes across very “I’m SOOOOOO sorry” in a sarcastic tone as though you’re just venting about whiny kids, but seeing as how you finally said “sorry”, I’ll take what I can get.
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As far as I am concerned, your folly was not your life circumstances, but your attitude and lack of communication throughout this whole process. You’ve never been good about the attitude, but I’ve come to realize that’s just you sadly. I’ll accept your communication (finally) and, as promised, go away until you post about Mineserver or the end of the year deadline you’ve given, whichever comes first. You have satiated THIS beast and all it took was a few minutes of your time (as many people requested you do MONTHS ago). I’m admittedly not going to hold my breathe that this will be delivered before the start of 2019 since you’ve made (and broken) many promised deadlines, but you’ve at least earned a bit of peace and quiet on your site. See you in a few months, GL with the insurance claims.
I don’t want to tell you your business, Bob, but you may want to update your Kickstarter site too. There are well over 100 people there who haven’t heard from you since November 2016 looks like and it sounds like if you communicated it to them over there they may stop flocking here.
Let’s get this minecrap off of your blog and keep it to the stuff that actually matters so we can have an intellectual conversation for a change and not have every other comments “mineserver this”, “kickstarter that”. It’s gotten old!!
Sorry you have to deal with all of this. Please take a few minutes to update Kickstarter and end this stupid conflict! I think it would be worth your time (and ours)!
“Finally, let’s face this Mineserver issue. I’ll do this in more detail in an upcoming column…”
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A) Heard that before. Many times. (“Look for a spec update and a new shipping schedule in a couple more weeks…” — January 2, 2018 — https://www.cringely.com/2018/01/02/a-visionary-returns/#comments)
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B) The thing is, a column isn’t the right answer. What that says is that you don’t really care about your kickstarter backers, only your readers here. You appear to be simply trying to save face so that people won’t stop reading your blog. Not the right answer.
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“I’ve pretty much said all of this 2-3 times now along with explaining that I am SORRY.”
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Except that you haven’t. Your backers — the vast majority of whom have probably never visited this site — have never heard an explanation nor an apology. In fact, your last update on Kickstarter — the official and only reasonable means of communication with backers — was over a year and a half ago. (http://www.sinasohn.net/Mineserver/) Do you see how posting your half-hearted mea culpas here does no good for most of your backers? (Or do you really want *all* of them here flooding your comment section with the “Mineserver Jihad”?)
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“I’m SORRY that I lost my sight. I am SORRY that I lost my house. I am SORRY that I couldn’t deliver on time to people the Mineservers on which we were already losing an average of $30 each.”
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Maybe I sound callous, but boo-hoo. Yes, it sucks that you lost your sight, but plenty of people have suffered injury and kept going. You got your sight back. Congrats. Yes, big bummer that you lost your house, but at least you had a house and you have insurance. A lot of people did, and not just in the fires; I know someone who lost TWO houses to the hurricane in Texas — the one she had just bought and the one she was about to sell. Yeah, it sucks to end up losing $30 on a product, but that’s no one’s problem but yours… I still have hundreds of dollars of materials for a wallet project I worked on 20 years ago, where I sold maybe 5 wallets. That’s called business.
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All in all, these are very first world problems.
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But this was hyped as your kids’ project — could they not have posted an update on Kickstarter? Could you not have dictated something to your wife to type up?
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“And now I am SORRY that I have to build 350+ new Mineservers entirely at my expense. I am SORRY, too, that it has taken so long. But I’m doing my best.”
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Actually, you don’t — everyone knows that kickstarters are not guaranteed. If you want to do that because, oh, I don’t know, it’s the right thing to do, that’s great.
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But, as has been said time and time again, the issue is not the delay of delivery, it’s the lack of communication, the broken promises, and the transparent lies.
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And if this has been you doing your best, well, you’re a pretty sad excuse for a human, let alone businessman.
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“Every supporter will get their Mineserver before the end of this year.”
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Really? I’m willing to bet against that.
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“How, exactly, would you do it better?”
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Again, as I’ve said many times, I DID do it better — by keeping in constant communication with my backers. My kickstarter project was funded just as my life, in many ways, fell apart. Like you, my problems were all of the first world sort, but they were nonetheless devastating to me and my family. Nonetheless, I kept in contact with my backers, let them know that stuff was going on, and that I would deliver some items late. But I never stopped communicating and I didn’t just disappear. I was honest and open and kept them in the loop and in the end they all were okay with the project. I can’t say for sure, but I suspect that if I were in a position to do another kickstarter project, most of my previous backers would back it.
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As someone not involved in the Mineserver, it seems you need to copy and paste:
“As you may know, I went blind and then my house (also the Mineserver factory) burned down along with 4700 other homes here in Sonoma County. Twenty-two people died. When there is $10+ billion in residential losses as there are here, insurance companies go into a mode where they believe their primary job is to NOT pay people. We have yet to see a cent, nor have most of our neighbors. Our claim is well in excess of $1 million of which about $30,000 is for Mineserver tooling and parts. The best estimate here is that it will take two years (16 more months) for most of us to receive our settlements. And our insurance company in particular (the Good Hands People) doesn’t think it should have to pay for melted Mineservers AT ALL.
So we can’t count on insurance to get this business back in operation. We couldn’t count on me, either, as long as I was blind. I don’t know if you’ve ever been blind, but day-to-day functioning is difficult, especially if you are a refugee from a natural disaster. Well now my sight is restored and though we still don’t have a place to build anything, we’re back in the Mineserver business, preparing a successor model because the available boards and other parts have all changed.
I’ve pretty much said all of this 2-3 times now along with explaining that I am SORRY. I’m SORRY that I lost my sight. I am SORRY that I lost my house. I am SORRY that I couldn’t deliver on time to people the Mineservers on which we were already losing an average of $30 each. And now I am SORRY that I have to build 350+ new Mineservers entirely at my expense. I am SORRY, too, that it has taken so long. But I’m doing my best.
Every supporter will get their Mineserver before the end of this year. It would be cheaper for me to just give them their money back but right now I can’t put together that much in one lump. And besides, the point is to deliver a cool device, which we will.”
That the end of every article. Because it seems some people just aren’t getting it. Good Luck.
Is there a medal laying around somewhere that we can give to Roger Sinasohn. He seems to think he deserves it.
@Roger you are my spirit animal! I couldn’t have said it better myself. Bob, you are purely trying to save face with your readers. As much as your readers complain about all of us mineserver backers it’s really like what, 5 of us? 10 tops! Yet your Kickstarter had 388 backers, many of whom have comments on the Kickstarter site asking for an update. You posting here (and NOT there since November 10, 2016) is basically another example of why people are really upset. You just don’t care and don’t take the time to prove you truly are sorry and it’s a big F you to everyone waiting for an update where ALL communication should be happening – on Kickstarter!
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Your readers tell us we should message you on the KS site and leave the blog to the blog, yet time and time again, this is where you post. Most of the backers have no idea any sort of war is happening here in the trenches and others may be afraid to dive in and comment here knowing they’ll be attacked as our “jihad” gains momentum.
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I think you are delusional if you think that:
A.) You’ve apologized in the past and
B.) If you think what you just wrote above WAS an apology.
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It was the equivalent to my 5 year old saying “Fine I’m soooo sorry. Can I go outside and play now?” No, Bob, you cannot go out an play because you’re not willing to face your problems and are just trying to not get in trouble. You’re not sorry, so sit in your room, think about what you’ve done and when you’re ready to be mature about all of this, come talk to us again.
He needs one of those plastic hands you can pat yourself on the back with.
@Larry I agree. He can buy it the same place Bob got his.
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“it seems you need to copy and paste. . . at the end of every article.”
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Actually, no. What Crookely needs to do is post Mineserver stuff in the appropriate place — on Kickstarter.
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I’ll be the first to tell you that this is NOT the appropriate place for comments and discussion of the Mineserver project — that’s what the Kickstarter site is for. Any discussion or commentary here should be incidental and subsidiary to the official site for Mineserver discussion — Kickstarter.
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Unfortunately, the one person who SHOULD get that is Crookely and he’s NOT getting it. He posts and comments about the Mineserver project here (and only here, for the last year and a half) so those of us who are interested in it have no choice but to come here. .
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Suppose you had an issue you wanted to bring before your mayor or city council. The correct place to do that would be city hall, right? Not the diner down the street where he eats his lunch. But… what if the mayor and the city council are never at city hall, but instead hang out all day at the diner? You’d have no choice but to bring your grievance to the diner.
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Similarly, the correct place for Crookely to disseminate Mineserver news and information is on Kickstarter, just as that is the correct place for his backers to discuss and inquire about the project. But, since Crookely is never there, we have to come here.
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Now do you get it?
10,000 to 1 ? Boulder dash. In a best case scenario but 1 blip and your staff would be unable to respond. Shoot — you’d have to outsource everything, support included to get that number. Even then, when support went bad –which it will when you are talking about those numbers (law of averages) just handling the up-chain unhappy calls would swamp your 1 IT person. That wouldn’t be an IT person any longer, just a whipping boy.
Who are you selling cloud services for? They have their place, but they are most definitely NOT a panacea but a tool. You know the old saw, “When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” Well whose hammer are you holding?
JeffH, no one is talking about that. The article’s original content has become merely a placeholder. Mineserver debate is going nuclear! Duck and cover buddy, lest you get hit by the blast radius!
*grabs popcorn* this aught to be good. Any rebuttals, Bob? I hear you can see/respond now…
Glad to hear your sight is restored — been reading your stuff since since the old, old days, you’re kinda like family. Anyway, I like your thoughts on cloud computing. BTW, how much IBM do you recommend I have in my portfolio these days? 😉
Nope, sorry still don’t get it. It’s kickstarter. I’ve fund things myself and always expect nothing. It’s not a store, it’s not an investment site, it’s kickstarter. So yeah, you can be upset, and I can also get tired of hearing about it.
@Mark – Boo Hoo, after whining about your sight problems and the fire, you forgot to mention that while all this was going on you purchased a personal MIG-21. I don’t see you complaining about that well into 6 digit expense.
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https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-civilian-person-who-has-a-fighter-jet-as-a-private-jet
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https://www.quora.com/How-much-would-it-cost-to-privately-own-and-operate-a-MiG-21
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This is all about how you do the math. Studies that “proved” are immediately suspect.
First of all, the cost of cloud computing depends on the organization circumstance. Our organization had a cloud solution and when the cloud vendor decided to “do something else”, this was ab IT mega company, we were stuck with trying to find something else and incurred additional expense with the conversion. If we had stuck with our own IT staff, it would have been about 90% cheaper.
The other part is that cloud services are a contract, not a technical solution. If the contract isn’t airtight and something goes wrong, the vendor will come back and say “it is not in the contract you have to pay us anyway”. IT services are not a charity.
The other question is the long-term cost because if the vendor wants to increase their profitability, they raise their prices. You have to go along or find someone else and then you played a game of trying to save dollars every year by spending $10,000 in search costs.
Everyone says that the big vendors such as Amazon or Microsoft “always going to be there” but that is not true and hasn’t been proven one bit. Besides, the companies don’t have customer support regardless of the speeches and YouTube presentations and all the charts with the moving parts. Just try to call Microsoft for customer service or even Amazon. In fact, contact Amazon to try to return a dead hard drive.
The non-tech oriented CEO likes those simple PowerPoint charts that say that all is well and is going to be “cheap” and that is the only thing that they’re going to hear. In fact, I would surmise that the bigger the organization the cheaper it is to have its own IT staff. I could probably do a study on that and show the difference. It wouldn’t matter because our own organization IT staff actually did that kind of study and the senior leadership just blew them off because the presentation didn’t look good or elegant.
People upset about mineserver, e-mail me at novickbauer at yahoo.
I’ll bet that Cringely’s Mineservers will be delivered after Elon Musk achieves the 1 m/s assembly line rate that Cringely wrote about for Tesla production.
“The Cloud” is just a fancy name for someone else’s computer.
@Tom —
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“Nope, sorry still don’t get it.”
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I’ll explain it again and I’ll try to use small words…
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“It’s kickstarter. I’ve fund things myself and always expect nothing. It’s not a store, it’s not an investment site, it’s kickstarter.”
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Kickstarter isn’t really an “investment site” but I know what you mean. Nothing’s guaranteed and backers are really just chipping in to help the project creator try to create something. Maybe it will work out and maybe it won’t, maybe you’ll get your hi-tech doohickey and maybe you won’t. We all know and understand that.
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What too many people don’t understand is what *IS* expected — vicarious participation in the project.
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If you see someone sitting on the sidewalk asking for money and you give him a dollar, you don’t expect to know what happens with that dollar or with that person. You might be curious about what happens to him or what he does thereafter, but, generally speaking, you don’t expect to know any of that, or even ever see him again.
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Kickstarter is kind of the opposite. You chip in your money and you very much want to know what happens next — in many cases, that’s the whole point. Sure, much of the time you want to get your widget as well, but the whole reason there is the “No Reward” option is because many times backers don’t want (or can’t afford) the widget, they just want to see how it plays out.
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In the case of the Mineserver, yes, I think most people actually wanted one, but I also think, based on comments here and on Kickstarter, that most of the backers would understand if they never got one. It *IS* kickstarter, after all.
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What we’re upset about is not the Mineservers themselves but the lack of communication, the broken promises, and the outright lies. I personally don’t care for his “I let you back my kickstarter project and I’m famous so you should be honored just for that” attitude.
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Yes, he was blind for a bit (or so we’re told), but he could have dictated an update. Sure, his house might have burned down and the Mineservers along with it, but he managed to get hold of a computer shortly thereafter; why couldn’t he have let his backers know what happened? Why can’t he just be honest for once?
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And before you say “but he did tell us he was blind and that his house burned down!”, note that he wrote that *here*, not on Kickstarter. That’s why the Kickstarter backers are here annoying you. Because Crookely has forced us to come here.
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“So yeah, you can be upset, and I can also get tired of hearing about it.”
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Of course. And, frankly, I wouldn’t have it any other way.
Oh crap, I forgot to use small words.
“Oh crap, I forgot to use small words.”
@Roger Darn it all, you had ONE job! 😛
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Well said once again. You are truly a voice for the people. I fear it’s falling on deaf ears, but I do appreciate you being our champion and breaking things down so elegantly to the point of being hard to dispute unless you’re just plain ignorant (which sadly there seems to be a lot of that over the past year).
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I just wanted to take a moment to tell you that *I* personally appreciate all you say and do since 90% of the population here does not and thinks you are just a raving lunatic who yearns for his precious toy…
Competent managers don’t manage by belly-button count. If that’s the problem fix it.
Cloud services (and bare servers) can work in many situations. A competent IT staff can make good use of it. It’s not a replacement for competent (well paid) staff.
I can list plenty of cases where the cloud isn’t going to work. I’d go so far as to say it will be more flexible but expensive in *MOST* cases. I have a client that have been using the same local LAN CRM solution for 15+ years w/o paying another dime. Everyone doesn’t use cloud based software and upgrade to every single release.
RE: the mineserver, it’s a kickstarter gamble. It sounds like you do owe backers an update, but keep it on kickstarter, not here. If I was a backer, I’d consider it lost and move on. (and yes, I’ve lost on some kick-starters)
“Finally, let’s face this Mineserver issue. I’ll do this in more detail in an upcoming column but may as well hit the high points here”
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Are you serious here?
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“I’ve pretty much said all of this 2-3 times now along with explaining that I am SORRY. I’m SORRY that I lost my sight. I am SORRY that I lost my house. I am SORRY that I couldn’t deliver on time to people the Mineservers on which we were already losing an average of $30 each. And now I am SORRY that I have to build 350+ new Mineservers entirely at my expense.”
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You know what, I never gave to this Mineserver shit, really couldn’t care less about it but this comment of yours proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you’re a sanctimonious prick.
One chance in MineServer status is that mineserver.com is no longer running.
@granville – He’s sorry that he has to build 350+ new Mineservers entirely at his expense?
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from: https://www.cringely.com/2018/01/02/a-visionary-returns/ “We lost about $20,000 in parts that were fortunately insured”
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from: https://www.cringely.com/2017/05/22/mineserver-update-not-dead-yet/ “we’ve found just enough investors to move on to the next level, which is first shipping our current orders”
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What’s your problem? Can’t you keep your lies straight?
@Tom; one more thing on top of what Roger said.
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Kickstarter knows that many projects that fund won’t make it to the end. Project creators ARE required to provide transparent and frequent updates though. This was in the T&Cs that Cringely and family happily agreed to when they made the conscious decision to create the project and seek funding. And this is a requirement they have absolutely failed on. Note how the bulk of the complaints are people seeking communication and updates. As Roger notes, this isn’t happening where it should happen, so it’s been brought here.
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But there’s slightly more that Roger doesn’t touch on and I think it’s worth spending a moment to consider. Kickstarter does provide guidance on what to do if a project derails. After all this Mineserver project is not the first, and definitely won’t be the last project to be in this state. The requirements are simple. Communicate that the project has died. Provide some documentation on where the money went, why it’s all dried up, and offer what you can to make things right.
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Lets consider for one second what that would look like. An update that sums up the technical and non-technical hardships the project has endured. Sight loss (albeit temporarily) and a house burning down are certainly tough breaks, but the technical losses should be simple to quantify; the cases, physical servers, cost of materials, laser cutter, developer cost. Then, finally, throw all the technical assets and code into a github project and provide some direction on how to launch it on a Raspberry Pi or similar. Maybe even an image that can be applied to an appropriate drive with a decent shot at working. Document the warts. Explain it’s not perfect. Show some workarounds to issues that may not be pretty, but work. I sincerely doubt anyone would be discussing this right now if someone had done this in a timely fashion when the wheels came off.
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But Cringely isn’t doing any of these things. Why? We can lament his health challenges, but the reality is the updates to the project died a long long time before these were discussed, and before house fires.
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So when you see people angry, and upset, and flaming Cringely understand a few very simple things:
1) Cringely is absolutely in violation of the Kickstarter T&Cs through his handling of the project on the grounds of communication alone.
2) The Kickstarter page is abandoned, except for fans wondering what is going on, so those in the know are bringing that here. Cringely could right this by taking it back to Kickstarter. But he isn’t doing that, and that is his choice.
3) Every update dripped through this site is full of lies, broken promises, deceit, and perhaps worst of all – certainly the one that bothers me the most – is delivered in a tone of sanctimonious and self-righteous indignation that this is even a thing. To Cringely on this note; you painted a picture of a product, asked for backing to make it a reality – leveraging your reader base in this endeavor – took their money, and you talk down at them like they are beneath you while you deliberately and egregiously flaunt the terms you agreed to. Shame on you.
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It’s not the fact it’s a Kickstarter, it’s the epic standard by which the project has been mis-managed that is a thing. And people have a right to be pissed off at the lack of communication as Cringely continues to pretend it didn’t happen.
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I hope that clarifies things for you.
The problem is that technology is used to make life more complicated, not simpler. Think of every mundane transaction or activity today, and compare to how that was done 40 years ago. Technology makes possible whole new layers of requirements, overhead and bureaucracy. So the potential efficiencies are negated.
Example: Conceive, gestate, birth and raise a baby.
Frictionless? Disintermediation? Bah! Humbug!
Let’s see… timesharing services on mainframes, client-server, thin-client
computing, the network computer (NC), software as a service (SaaS), and now
the cloud. As Jean-Paul pointed out, these are all just names for renting
time & space on someone else’s computer. I also echo the many
comments that this is not a magic panacea.
The fundamental issue with renting computer resources is that the concerns
and motivations of the lessor and the lessee are not completely aligned. All
the usual issues regarding access, reliability, resilence, security, etc.
still exist with cloud services and
must be considered, as with any
decision to out-source corporate functions.
Long time reader, not a Mineserver backer… Mark you could make this all go away just by taking that comment you wrote, posting it as an article on cringely.com, posting it as an update on the Kickstarter site, and putting it up on social media. Hell, you’d probably get away with two of three. Why don’t you do this? There’s no possible angle that you are exploiting or leverage you are preserving at this point. It just doesn’t make sense.
People are laughing at you and your whole operation. Do this immediately! Everyone will sleep better.
@Dave you are 100% correct. There is no reason Bob should be posting here. If you were to ask me, which no one did, I think Bob posted it here (and has done so in the past as well) because it tends to stir controversy between fans and KS backers.
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In the PAST it has been a fairly even match, though most times Bob gets more support from fans than hate from backers I’d argue, but something shifted with his post this time; Even his regular readers/fans are starting to question why he’s talking about it here and not just posting about it on KS site. As you say, there is no reason he should be doing that and it’s just ruining everyone’s experience which leads me to believe that the only reason he COULD be doing it is to continue to play the victim card and garner support from his fans, which backfired, as only a small select handful did this time.
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Bob, why have you not posted about any of this on your Kickstarter site? It’s a legitimate question. You have 388 backers and as someone else said, only about 10 post on here, so what about the other 378? Do they not have a right to know what is going on with the money they invested? They don’t need a product, they need communication. If the project failed, tell them. If it’s still active, tell them. Just tell THEM, stop telling us HERE!
@Gerard – While i agree you you and several posters that a post from Mark on the KS site could go a long way to resolving issues, the only posts that Mark has been able to write are “everything is fine and I will post more details in a couple of weeks.” Of course, nothing more is added for multiple months. It makes you wonder how he ever got a “reputation” for being an author. I feel that Mark is unwilling to make a post on KS where he would have to admit that he isn’t perfect.
To the 388 or so idiots that invested in a children’s toy. You made a bad investment. You’ve lost your money. Next time, don’t invest in a child’s toy, built by children, in a company managed by children with one adult sort of chaperoning.
In the end, idiots (and idiots IS the right word here), it’s your fault for investing in this stupidity. You aren’t owed anything except a life lesson about a fool and his money. Something you all aren’t likely smart enough to understand.
@SJ1
Nonsense.
Every single backer was owed HONESTY.
It costs NOTHING.
Until they get it, they have every right & reason to complain until they do.
If that was all it was, you’d have a point. But here the ADULT who was chaperoning made the statement, putting his credibility on the line, that everything was finished except for the cases.
I wonder if the website is down because someone made a fraud complaint.
Plug and play? I did a spit take on that, dude. Seriously? Have you looked at the salaries for people with AWS skills? You haven’t been following me around at work. ‘Security,’ same. I mean, maybe if you read Amazon’s docs, sure, it’s all ‘secure by default.’ We have an awful lot of security staff very busy improving the security of our cloud.
Question:
In your hypothetical 10,000 employee company with One IT person —
Exactly WHO maintains the 10,000 PCs, Tables and Mobile devices necessary to access the Cloud applications?
Hmm?
By all means, kick a man when he’s down. If you won’t kick him when he’s down, don’t kick him when he’s up either. – Solomon Short (David Gerrold)
It is better to be kind than to be right. – Don T. Know
I’m like a snake on a rock. Don’t f*ck with me; I won’t bite you. F*CK with me and I’ll be hanging off your neck for the rest of your natural life. – Harlan Ellison
I’m not sure why Roger wishes to engage in a p*ssing contest that he’s already won. Many of us do “get” it, Roger, we just don’t care to hear about it ad infinitum.
I’m reminded of a character in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. “I WANT SOMETHING DONE!” Over and over and over and over. Perhaps this is a manifestation of
obsessive-complusive disorder. I used to think I was pretty good with computers. One day, I realized that I’m not. I’m just obsessive-complusive.
Perhaps Roger has been informed that he is an immortal and therefore, he has all the time in the world to correct the injustices contained within that world. He decided to
start small and work his way up.
If your time is at all valuable to you, one or two comments should suffice. Perhaps you’re at loose ends and just felt like being a hero, one more time.
Seriously, Roger, if you cannot learn to let things go (i.e. Don’t sweat the small stuff.) then you’re a heart attack waiting to happen. Or a stroke.
The universe takes care of everybody, sooner or later.
Oh, and Roger? Just one more thing. Why don’t you compile your comments chronologically into a book and sell it Amazon, or KickStarter or IndieGOGO?
As for Mr. Cringely, I saw this coming the moment you began talking about the NEW! IMPROVED! version of the MineServer!.
The following links might prove useful.
https://www.wired.com/2009/12/fail_duke_nukem/
https://www.wired.com/2011/06/duke-nukem-forever-review/
https://www.wired.com/2014/03/duke-nukem-lawsuit/
@SJ1
People are complaining about the lack of updates above all else.
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Open a browser and point it to kickstarter dot com slash terms-of-use
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Scroll to section 4.
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Read it. You probably will need to re-read it. Maybe once more, because apparently reading and comprehension is not in your forte.
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To all the ignorant assholes that post like SJ1, and yes, the word is IGNORANT every backer is absolutely owed the honesty, transparency the terms of use dictate, and updates from the creator on this project on it’s current state.
It’s really want to be mean but watching someone self-destruct is not pretty. I take a holiday myself when things get too much, as they can. As awkward though it is if Cringely wants to make some money he can always try selling his ass. It was a bit funny at first feeling a cock pump my butt but the money is good and paid for doing my place up. Another 50 cocks giving me a ride and that should be everything fixed. I never thought back when I was watching Triumph of the Nerds I’d be taking cock for money but life is full of surprises.
This is actually true. Yes, for real. I am a… sigh… whore.
P.S. If any of you want to help out when you pump Cringelys mouth do him a favour? Eat well and drink plenty of water because if you don’t it tastes like shit.
@SJ1
“To the 388 or so idiots that invested in a children’s toy. You made a bad investment. You’ve lost your money.”
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So much cluelessness, so little time…
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Perhaps you should get a basic understanding of Kickstarter before shooting your mouth off about it?
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“Next time, don’t invest in a child’s toy, built by children, in a company managed by children with one adult sort of chaperoning.”
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Imagine you had a kid, say 16 years old, who, having just gotten his driver’s license, wanted to buy a car. You got to the dealer with him, help him pick out a car, and when it comes time for the financing, the dealer tells you the kid (being under 18) can’t get the loan on his own; you’d have to co-sign it. So you do, and the kid defaults, and the finance company comes to you to collect. Do you think you’d get away with “oh, you shouldn’t have sold it to a kid; I was just chaperoning?” I don’t think so.
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Similarly, kids cannot legally run a kickstarter project; Crookely was not “sort of chaperoning.” Crookely was in fact the person legally responsible for fulfilling the terms of the agreement. Further, because Crookely actively promoted the project here on his own site, he was clearly the responsible party in a very practical way.
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“In the end, idiots (and idiots IS the right word here), it’s your fault for investing in this stupidity.”
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I won’t argue your choice of words in my own case, but I think you are sorely mistaken when it comes to the vast majority of the project’s backers. Also, would it be your fault if someone broke into your house and stole all your stuff? [1]
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“You aren’t owed anything except a life lesson about a fool and his money.”
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Again, there you go, blathering on about something YOU clearly don’t understand. There’s another saying: “’tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.” You’ve removed any doubt anyone might have had.
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According to the contract Crookely signed, we actually ARE owed clear and transparent communcation. We are owed an accounting of where the money went that we contributed. We are owed an explanation.
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“Something you all aren’t likely smart enough to understand.”
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I’m not terribly bright, I’ll admit, but that doesn’t change the fact[2] that Crookely has not fulfilled his part of the agreement even though he received compensation.
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[1] https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Blaming_the_victim
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[2] https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
@Gnarfle —
“I’m not sure why Roger wishes to engage in a p*ssing contest that he’s already won. Many of us do “get” it, Roger, we just don’t care to hear about it ad infinitum.”
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Perhaps many non-backers do get it, but there are still some who do not (*cough*SJ1*cough*) and the one who *should* get it — Crookely himself — still does not.
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I would *much* rather discuss this over at Kickstarter, but Crookely isn’t there. So we’re here.
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Similarly, it would be much more convenient for me if the Symphony would perform in my living room, but since they won’t do that, I have to go downtown to hear them.
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“Perhaps Roger has been informed that he is an immortal and therefore, he has all the time in the world to correct the injustices contained within that world.”
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Sadly, no, I’m not immortal, but I do have the occasional bit of down time where my options for using that time are limited and, as I may have mentioned previously, I am a very fast typist.
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“If your time is at all valuable to you…”
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It’s very valuable. However, I’m a firm believer that we all have to do what we can to make the world a better place, to stand up against injustice, to fight for those who cannot.
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“Why don’t you compile your comments chronologically into a book and sell it Amazon, or KickStarter or IndieGOGO?”
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Actually, that’s not a bad idea — not necessarily my comments, but a telling of the whole MineServer fiasco. Someone really ought to write it (I would nominate Edward Hume — https://amzn.to/2IRk7LV) but I have too long a list of books to get published/finish writing/get started for me to even consider it.
Roger=Troll
I have to say I love Roger’s MineServer blog, but this Roger X. guy keeps trying to get off topic.
Robert X. guy (I hate it when my fingers are faster than my brain.)
Automation is not about saving money or time. It is about improving the integrity of business processes. That kind of improvement doesn’t show up in productivity metrics. And the cloud doesn’t get it for you. The cloud is just another way to outsource (and obscure) accountability.
Roger, I’m truly sorry that you lost your 99 bucks. When someone loses their life savings it most certainly is heartbreaking.
Whining about it here, on a site that is frequented by high earning and very seasoned IT professionals is a lost cause. I guarantee you that none of the regulars here give a rat’s rear end about you, your lost life savings or how many words you can use to gripe about something that is, literally, a child’s toy.
Grow up, throw out all those meaningless participation trophies, move out of your parent’s basement and work towards a career where 99 bucks is an insignificant number.
Life isn’t fair Buttercup and it never was.
Au contraire. The mineserver thing is really entertaining. It really seriously is the only thing which keeps me visiting after Cringely went Full Has Been.
Seriously, Cringely needs to get onto the cock. It’s a growing business!
@SJ1 –
“Roger, I’m truly sorry that you lost your 99 bucks. When someone loses their life savings it most certainly is heartbreaking.”
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Okay, that was funny.
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“Whining about it here, on a site that is frequented by high earning and very seasoned IT professionals is a lost cause.”
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I don’t disagree, but not for the reason you think it is. I think it’s a lost cause because Crookely doesn’t care. He’s in an almost trumpian state of delusion.
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“I guarantee you that none of the regulars here give a rat’s rear end about you, your lost life savings or how many words you can use to gripe about something that is, literally, a child’s toy.”
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Again, I don’t disagree (though I will say that one shouldn’t use absolutes — I’d bet I could find at least one regular who does), but, frankly, I don’t care so much about them. I’m here because Crookely is here.
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“Grow up, throw out all those meaningless participation trophies, move out of your parent’s basement and work towards a career where 99 bucks is an insignificant number.”
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You’re funny. So what you’re saying is that if only I’d worked harder, chosen a better career path, and not picked a father who was an orphaned immigrant who came to this country as a refugee, I might have more than $1.60 in my pocket right now?
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You’ve just told me a lot about yourself now. And, by pretty much any standard you care to set, I’d be willing to bet a lot more than $99 that I’m at least your equal if not your better.
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Nonetheless, that’s not the issue here and you’re using an ad hominem attack once again. Which, if you had any schooling or even real experience, you would know means you have no argument; you’ve basically conceded that I’m right and you’re wrong.
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“Life isn’t fair Buttercup and it never was.”
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I tell my kids that all the time. The thing is, however, we can work to make it more so for those on the short end of the stick, if we so choose. It all depends on what sort of person we want to be. What have you done to make the world more equal?
Roger, I haven’t gotten an e-mail from you to discuss MineServer solutions.
@Dave “It just doesn’t make sense. People are laughing at you and your whole operation.”
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But if you notice, Cringely has adopted a pose of Everything Is Okay. Now he’s even claiming to have apologized profusely (in the past tense), even though nobody can actually remember this.
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My guess is he does this entirely to keep up appearances to his consulting clients. “Haha you know those crazy crowdfunders types. They’re yelling for my kids’ blood! But what can you do? I’m even paying out of my own money… guess I’ll just have to sell the MiG-21 ha ha ha.”
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As you say, nothing else makes sense. Not even why anyone would hire a consultant that can’t even manage to upgrade a blog that has been largely inert for 10 years and is starting to break apart.
Yes, the cloud merely kicks the problem to someone else. However, that someone else then works on another company’s problem once they’ve solved your problem, whereas you pay your in-house bozo to drink coffee for the rest of the day…
Hello. I used to read your articles way back when and just watched your “History of the Personal Computer” videos on YouTube. Wow what a trip. And now I am sitting here speaking this comment into my phone. I hope everything works out for you. Best wishes.
Minecraft? Get lives you sad sacks of shit.
Cringely has a consulting business? Wow. This is what I tell everyone too only all my actual clients know I’m really selling myself to take their cock. Oh c’mon. Cringely has to have had at least one client who had a raging erection for him. It’s a start and he can build on it!
Basically, Roger is autistic isn’t he?
Roger really is going full “gammon” here
A lot of folks here are yelling at Roger, saying “nobody cares.” I did not invest in the Minecraft server kickstarter, and had no interest in it at all until after Roger started posting here about it. Seeing how Cringely has been (not) responding to legitimate requests for information, claiming tragedies that happened MUCH later than the drop-off of communication, blaming the people he’s blowing off and lying about apologies have all been eye opening. Where I used to think highly of the man and his writing, I now find myself looking with a more jaundiced eye about everything he says, and seeing more likelihood of self aggrandizing pretend relationships where I used to see a career full of connections. So thank, Roger. I generally try to consider the character and trustworthiness of a writer in assessing the value of the writing, and your persistence has given a lot to consider.
@John, I agree with you. In retrospect there were a lot of red flags. About a year or two ago he posted a screenshot as “proof” of IBM’s decline; a knowledgeable commenter pointed out it said something completely different than what Bob claimed. Bob moved along without any clarification. It actually seemed to bother him not that he was wrong (he never admitted it or posted a retraction or clarification) but that someone had the audacity to point out he was wrong.
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Someone, I believe on the kickstarter page said something along the lines of “I’ve always read about your failed ventures and businesses with some mirth. Sure does feel different to be on the other side of it.”
Yep, probably a Classic Narcissist. Narcissists live in a toddler-like fantasy world where they believe they can do anything, but the reality is quite different, hence all of the grandiose projects that always fail, the constant drama in their life, the lack of remorse when things go wrong (Narcissists are unable to accept responsibility for anything) etc.
This is one of the most bizarre ones. I think it was so weird that most people agreed to pretend it never happened.
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https://www.cringely.com/2015/09/07/evil-google-waiting-on-line-one/
@ Granville: That Cringely article got 145 Comments, many of which I found enlightening. I agreed with most commenters that Google wasn’t making the robocalls and that Google had no power to stop them. But Bob still had a point when he said Google could have put ads in public, warning of this practice. For example, the Google search page is mostly white space, some of which could be devoted to warning people about imposters. Cringely does have the ability to say a few words on his blog that generate responses from the most intelligent tech and science-oriented people in the world. When he stops publishing, we’ll miss their words of wisdom, even if we disagree with Bob entirely..
Can we get tagging on the comments? That way we can filter out all the mineserver bollocks.
Or how about blocking for some commentators? It is admirable that you don’t mod the off topic posts. But it would be nice if I could for my own benefit.
Don’t forget prostititues read Cringelys blog too!
@Brad – Even comment threading is broken. Nothing works here.
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@Ronc – I respect your opinion but the “greater good” that comes from a man acting like a stubborn fool in public is still a tragedy for the man. He didn’t just believe Google was spamming his phone with sales calls, but wrote a jeremiad condemning it, stubbornly refused to believe it and then acknowledged he was probably wrong but the point (?) still stood. A point which could have been made without clown shoes and horns if he spent about 1 minute googling it.
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I think “Accidental Empires” was one of the finest books of its kind, capturing a certain moment in world history that it’s hard not to feel nostalgic for, if only because we constantly feel the need to go back and revise our opinions and ask if the utopianism of the moment was really paving a road to hell. And the guy that wrote that book thinks Google is cold calling him. That’s such a fucking bummer.
I take exception to one of Mr. Sinasohn’s analogies. If you’re foolish enough to co-sign a car loan for a 16 year old you deserve everything you’re gonna get.
But on the other hand, my best friend in high school bought a ’68 Camaro with his father’s help. He was 17. It wasn’t in great shape but he knew enough to repair or replace most of the major problems and get it running. He paid someone else to paint it. And then totaled it. Bought an Plymouth Barracuda. It had a big fake hood scoop. I think it was a ’70 or ’71. Totaled it. Bought a Dodge Dart Swinger. ’73. Later traded it in for a Triumph sports car. Convertible. Died of cancer in 2008. Must’ve been the paraquat from all the weed he smoked.
Mr. Sinasohn,
I had an epiphany.
You quoted one of my favorite sayings. My memory is a little different from yours. I heard this on Hee Haw sometime in the mid 1970’s.
“It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”
Another. “If you do not understand my silence you will not understand my words.”
And yet another. “Those who know do not speak; those who speak do not know.”
Perhaps Mr. Cringely was operating under the power of these few words.
The epiphany is that you want to have it both ways.
You want someone else to remain quiet while you castigate Cringely for his silence.
He’s damned if he does; and damned if he does not.
This points to the sheer arrogance it takes to create anything in this world. Which is why most never try.
Good Day to you, sirs!
Cringely had his moment. I loved Triumph of the Nerds and reading extracts of Accidental Empires. It was a shame how so soon after leaving his PBS column behind he lost his shine and went off the boil. It was a mad crazy time full of dreams but we all sold ourselves out without always realising it and the suits won. We lost because we didn’t realise the suits didn’t give a damn about what he cared for only the power it gave them and the money it saved them.
This is pretty much why I’m a prositute. My clients are mostly honest about what they want and pay and conditions are better for what it is. It’s not for everyone though.
Arrogance? No. You need kindness too and under the facade of bluster this is why most men give me a good cocking even if they can’t admit it. Oh, and I do love the cock. There is something about a good pump if the feel and mechanics are right. Oh, the groans of mens passion and exhausted gaps for air after. It’s cute in a way, the little dears.
I hope I never have to cut a line of code ever again. I’m glad to be rid of it.
@trashtalk May 29, 2018 at 1:22 pm – Reply
“…we all sold ourselves out without always realising it and the suits won. We lost because we didn’t realise the suits didn’t give a damn about what he [we] cared for only the power it gave them and the money it saved them.”
All I can say is welcome to the real world, where others reward you for what you do to help them, not for your good intensions.
It took me a long time to realise it. It took me longer to realise people with professional standards to uphold and duties of care could be as bad or sometimes worse (is there a worse?) than cynical businessmen. I now sell my body for money but I have my standards. It means I turn down a lot of business (over 70% of prospective clients are declined or rule temselves out for one reason or another). I’m human too and prostitition is much an artform as it is funnily enough a legitimate business in the UK and many parts of Europe, and the odd state in the US I assume.
I certainly love aspects of my new job. Teasing a raging erection from a man and the times when I make him come uncontrollably. The feelings are awesomely undescribeable and a real rush. I will choose this any day over stuffed shirt clock watching business systems managers.
I know you older guys need your hobbies. Never forget this and never stop looking after yourself. I’ll happily sit on your workbench and entertain your tinkering. Make of this what you will.
The biggest problem about AWS?
That a company that sells items via Amazon would willingly surrender control of their internal IT to Amazon. Amazon, via AWS, has effective control over many companies that sell via Amazon itself. Why would a company allow a reseller to deliberately control their company in that way? The temptation for Amazon to not simply be an IT resource but extort better prices for itself is extremely high.
This is why I never work for an agency. It hands power over to them to dictate the product line up and margins and know far too much about my business. It was fine for consultancy work but even then agency margins could be userous. I know of one contractor they made a 70% margin on and he was one of their reliable earners. The reason I know this is I used to do IT for a high end computer agency which as we know is a world removed from secretarial agencies. Escort agencies are hardly likely to be better than either.
We know how many businesses Microsoft destroyed with threats and takeovers. None of this would be so bad but the MBA types and legislators destroyed the long lunch and expense account culture. This made more prostitutes cry than managers I assure you, and this is before we discuss big business squeezing the life out of the ordinary working man and medium to small business.
Product ctivity is measured by the dollar value of the work done, not in an absolute measure of output . The problem with increasing the output of an employee is that, is one across a whole industry, the value of that output falls due to increased supply. She you can be doing more work using less resources, but the value of the per employee can stay the same. Think you’re wasting money on IT to increase output? Try not doing that while your competitors do. The value of your output won’t be worth more in dollars just because it was more expensive to produce.
Will the cloud increase productivity? It might increase output per worker and per dollar spent in costs, but unless demand for that output increases, the total value of the output won’t increase.
Yes this is true in my industry too. For “the cloud” read “working in a brothel” with all its overheads. In general in some areas oversupply has driven costs down but this is a poor value proposition if you’re in the business. I have consistently stuck with my prices and noticed competitiors have gravitated around my price points and are using them as a benchmark. I’m not working harder for the same amount of money so would rather work less for the same amount of money.
As the economy picks up more clients will have more money and fewer will relish doing my job. I survived the downturn by sticking with it and if I can survive this I can survive anything which is not the guarantee a “cloud” provider for want of a euphamism can provide.
I certainly make a better hooker than I ever did a programmer. I have learned far more about business and dealing with micromanagers in a real world sense via this job which gives me the freedom to create my own brand and select my clients than a cash hungry corporation would whether in house or out there. Some people do appreciate the routine and direction and stability, or office politics of a corporate job or “cloud” provider but this is and never has been me. I’m much happier being pumped and screwed and taking it in the ass in meat space than nonsense from a desk jockey. It’s like a different world. Why didn’t I do this before?
@trashtalk You’ve succeeded in bringing this blog commentary to a halt. Thank you for fighting the good fight! Both sides can now know peace, even if only temporarily… <3
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GL with your thriving business.
Cloud Computing… Well it is just another name for Time Sharing… Same linear cost model same support and development issues.
Why do folks assume a new name constitutes a new technology… There is no new tech here just some old overheads converted to PowerPoint’s and shared with all the pun dents.
___123___I, Cringely Cloud Computing May Finally End the Productivity Paradox – I, Cringely___123___
Thanks. I would like to believe my booming business is because of genius but I’m afraid not. I just discovered it was more profitable to be cocked for money than be cocked by a corporate boss for punching keys on a keyboard.
It’s really nice for a man to call me sexy. My last client this evening got good value as he aroused me with his soft kisses, and I wrapped myself around him as he pumped. His neck kisses drove me wild and wow did he groan with pleasure as he came. He was a cutie. I encouraged him to hold me gently after and allow himself to enjoy post-coital pleasure and he left after we kissed and kissed again with an air of not wanting him to leave so soon which is always the best.
The money is good too. I had no idea before I began this job what a halo money gives a man.
Before anyone asks not all my clients are wealthy. Some are millionaires and some are young and fit from eyecatching gym work but a many clients are not so fortunate. While the money is nice I always find the best sex on an emotional level is with a lovely decent guy who I can relate to and chat with. Just think of me as an occasional timeshare girlfriend and we’ll get along fine.
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@Roger Sinasohn
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Dude. Enough. One tirade per column is enough. We get it. https://www.quotes.net/mquote/9306
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Have you ever fallen into a hole and had trouble climbing back out? I have. Multiple times. I recognize Cringely’s behavior, because I’ve done it myself.
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Have you watched Plane Crazy? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0164814 Great idea, grand plans, means well, has a freak out. It’s both hard to watch and hard to look away.
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Cringely clearly over committed. Then experienced multiple set backs. This is what he does.
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Note that he doesn’t just delete your posts, as I would do. He’s clearly embarrassed, wants to fix it. But he hasn’t been able to muster the umph to pull him and his family out of the downward spiral. And, frankly, I doubt he’s every going to make you whole. He’s an elderly man with a young family to support and that comes first.
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I applaud Cringely for his multiple, spectacular, inspired, entertaining failures. He shoots for the stars. And sometimes he reaches the moon. We should all be so brave.
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As for you, Walter, err, Roger, give it a rest. At this point, you’re just punching down.
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Also, I’m glad you’re running for office. https://elect.sinasohn.com Everyone should at least once. I really hope there’s orgs in your locale doing endorsements interviews like these. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UVkwZ_LU6w&list=PLIpu5nsNDxV3LPK6pzvRZPk4zBbSfeMil Having your ass handed back to you in public just might teach you some empathy.
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I’ll even donate $20 if you get some party endorsements. I’ll check back in a few weeks.
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Cheers, Jason
@cringely Brother. Hear me. For the love of god and everything that is sacred: Please give me admin access to your site’s code so that I can fix the CSS. Haven’t we suffered enough?
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More seriously: Be well.
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I’ll keep reading if you keep writing.
@trashtalk It ultimately doesn’t matter, but would you be willing to settle a debate for me? My friend thinks you are a female but I was always under the impression that you were male. Thanks for your help, appreciate all you do. 🙂
The Washington Post is accusing WPP founder and former CEO Martin Sorrell of using company funds to hire prostitutes. I know I lamented the demise of the long lunch and expense account culture only a few days ago but really? The pretence of moral rectitude from behind an accountants spreadsheet has to be the worst form of hypocrisy ever. I could go on but the finance industry cannot withstand the scrutiny as we know.
What an odd question. Nobody would pay to have sex with me if I was a man!
@trashtalk Bob = Male, FYI
@Jason Osgood
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“Dude. Enough. One tirade per column is enough. We get it. ”
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Except that it seems it isn’t, because you don’t. Read on…
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“Have you ever fallen into a hole and had trouble climbing back out? I have. Multiple times. I recognize Cringely’s behavior, because I’ve done it myself.”
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Yes, absolutely, as I’ve mentioned multiple times… in exactly the same situation as Crookely is in. Yeah, my house didn’t burn down and I didn’t go temporarily blind, but when I was running my kickstarter, my wife and daughter got a diagnosis that will be affect them for the rest of their lives and my beloved Land Rover died with little to no hope of getting it running again.
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So, yeah, I have fallen into such a hole and I’m still trying to climb back out.
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The difference though? I fulfilled my obligation to my backers — I communicated with them to let them know that stuff was happening and, ultimately, still provided them with the rewards I had promised. No, my kickstarter was not of the same complexity, but the complaints are not about the Mineserver per se, but about the lack of communication with backers, made all the more egregious by the fact that Crookely fancies himself a writer.
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“Have you watched Plane Crazy?”
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Can’t say that I have nor that I want to. Perhaps what you’re saying is that Crookely has a history of being a flake and a failure and I should have known better? You might have a point there.
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“Cringely clearly over committed. Then experienced multiple set backs. This is what he does.”
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So you are saying I should have known better. He is a flake and a serial failure. Point taken. Doesn’t mean I can’t hope that maybe, just maybe, he’ll learn his lesson *this* time, right?
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“Note that he doesn’t just delete your posts, as I would do. He’s clearly embarrassed, wants to fix it. But he hasn’t been able to muster the umph to pull him and his family out of the downward spiral. And, frankly, I doubt he’s every going to make you whole. He’s an elderly man with a young family to support and that comes first.”
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Oh boo hoo. I’m an elderly man with a young family too. What’s your point? I certainly don’t have his financial resources but I still manage to fulfill my responsibilities.
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“I applaud Cringely for his multiple, spectacular, inspired, entertaining failures. He shoots for the stars. And sometimes he reaches the moon. We should all be so brave.”
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Sure, that would be great, if the only person that suffers for his failures was himself. I did some spectacularly dumb things when I was younger and some of them worked out and some didn’t, but the only one whose life was on the line was myself. When I was responsible for others, I made sure to do things the right way to keep everyone safe.
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“Also, I’m glad you’re running for office. https://elect.sinasohn.com Everyone should at least once.”
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Well golly gee, you’ve figured out The Google. Good on ya, mate.
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“I’ll even donate $20”
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Thanks, but no thanks. Maybe Crookely could use your $20; he could use it to hire some one to communicate with his Kickstarter backers.
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Bob, you’re not right on this one. The cloud saves you from a lot of the burden of running an infrastructure group, but someone still has to write the apps that run on it. And while some of those savings are real, it just shifts a bunch of the rest of the money around. Remember how we were going to save all this coin because the web simplified the interface and we just put the rest on simple standard web servers? Kind of true for stupid simple stuff, mostly not for real work. Same here: I can’t even use salesforce.com without a certain amount of customization, so how on earth is my online shopping cart going to interact with my inventory and commissions apps when the one IT guy is doing desktop support? There are some savings to be had, true, but not the world changing numbers you’re pushing here.
Also, the downside to easy KS seed money is dealing with KS users who expect easy money back from you in return. Y’all deserve each other, but what did the rest of us do?
“…dealing with KS users who expect easy money back from you in return.”
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Wow, the brilliance is overwhelming! You must be the smartest guy in all the interwebs — why aren’t you president?
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Because, yeah, that’s all the Kickstarter backers have ever asked for or wanted: a whole lotta easy money.
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Way to go, genius!
Hi Bob. I want to go back to the original productivity paradox. Maybe there is a simpler explanation : If only one company in a field would be using IT to gain a productivity and quality advantage, you would expect that to work wonders. But of cause, most of the competition is doing the same thing. While everybody make faster, more precise widgets, it does not necessarily increase to total widget market, so in terms of sales per head, there is little change. Only the laggards suffer, but nobody pays attention to them. But we get individualized letters with fewer errors and color logo’s, we get step by step email updates of the manufacturing and delivery process, we get more choice of colors and other product features and while wages rise, most industrial products get cheaper. Today’s photo camera’s are amazingly better than what we could buy before the IT revolution, etc. Your arguments for overstaffed IT departments are probably true as well: for a long time IT was a manual labor operation. One aspect is that cloud service break the power of non-IT managers to dictate exactly how their programs should work in every detail. Now there is a standard application and the cloud sells it as a take it or leave it choice. Very few business managers understood the true cost of the little adaptations they absolutely required. (I did the calculation once for our own bookkeeper, who wanted an option implemented to save him 1 day work per year. Oops!).
@Roger Sinasohn
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“Read on…”
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Hard pass.
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Cheers, Jason
@Jason Osgood
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Oooh, burn!
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Wow, clearly I’ve been wrong all along as shown by your unwillingness to understand anyone else’s point of view.
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My only question… does that mean you are incapable of understanding or just willfully ignorant?
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At the risk of being insensitive — it hasn’t been proven to my satisfaction that 1934 Los Alamos Road *DID* burn down in the Santa Rosa blaze. This residence is (roughly) located at the junction of a “T” shape drawn between Bothe-Napa Valley State Park, Hood Mountain Regional Park, and Trionne-Annadel State Park (the top bar of the T connects Bothe-Napa and Trionne-Annadel, the bottom line goes from Hood Mountain to the midpoint of top bar). This is not shown as an area of primary destruction in the very detailed Tubbs Fire Wikipedia map. Is the address erroneous by more than a mile? Are we meant to infer that the structure was not destroyed, but, rather, declared uninhabitable due to smoke infiltration? Or is it, you know, still there?
Mr. Stephens — this assertion would not be so dubious, were it not for prior ambiguities and misstatements.
Sonoma News interactive fire map (the one with red vegetation and grey rubble overlay) also shows several buildings with apparently-intact roofs in the Los-Alamos + Holst region. Resolution isn’t as clear as one might wish for, so this is less-than-conclusive, but reasonable doubt exists. Geolocation is not yet 100% confirmed.
I had the opportunity to be in the area of 1934 Los Alamos Road in Santa Rosa last week — We were staying in Calistoga and I drove my wife back to The City for a conference on Thursday morning — so I took a quick detour[1] to check out Los Alamos Road.
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In the area that Google Maps/Waze say #1934 should be located, there was no fire damage at all. (I took a few pictures which are, for the moment, stuck on my phone.) However…
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1) it is quite possible that Google, et al, are incorrectly placing that address on the map. (Houses are fairly spread out and not well-numbered.)
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2) It is possible (though unlikely, if I do say so myself) that I was in the wrong place.
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3) 1934 Los Alamos may very well be nothing more than a mail drop (or even an outdated address) that has no real relation to Crookely’s actual domicile.
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4) Crookely might very well be lying about the whole fire/lost everything bit.
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I suspect that #3 is the most likely and, if so, does not bother me; folks in very public professions often keep their actual home address well guarded. (I myself generally use my office address for public matters.)
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I will note that that address is listed as belonging to Eugene and Teri Crozat at this site: http://www.city-data.com/sonoma-county/L/Los-Alamos-Road-20.html which may or may not be reliable.
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[1] It added 20 minutes to my drive and was actually quite pleasant. A little too hot and dry for my tastes, but nice nonetheless.
Is anyone else growing increasingly concerned with the mental health of Roger?
I’m growing concerned with the increasing evasiveness of Bob. It’s a shame he only has access to his computer once per month and can’t be bothered to comment on anything like he used to do prior to the mineserver fiasco. I’ve seen homeless people more connected to social media than him…
@Roger Sinasohn
What a pathetic loser, whining on and on, for a measly hundred bucks…
I’ll start getting concerned about Bob when he starts to drive his car past peoples houses and brag about it on the internet.
What’s next Roger? Why don’t you camp out in Bobs yard or maybe hide in his garage?
I really used to enjoy reading Cringley’s blog but since his quality and relevance declined the only pull has been the mineserver scandal and Cringley’s assorted desperado u-turns and flip flops. I occasionally get clients old and a long way past their prime or with some kind of dysfunction that even the most teasing of blowjobs and smooth stocking encased thighs cannot save which is why I bought a strap-on for clients who have discovered other forms of achieving orgasm. It may just be that Cringely needs to be similarly inspired. I’m not Stormy Daniels but what do you expect for free?
Time for a 20 min drive, but no time to e-mail as requested above.
Take a look at page 4 of this blog.
Then look at this:
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1012790307379908613
It’s not about actually getting his mineserver, this is in fact a piece of performance art from Roger.
It’s a documentary of one mans bizarre and public descent into stalking.
The worst thing that could ever happen to Roger and his art project is that the mineservers are delivered.
This is very much his Dark Side of the Moon
All his other works will be judged by this.
[…] Cringely on why cloud computing changes everything and could put paid to the infamous computing productivity […]
That was no 20 minutes drive.
He drove cross country, shitting into a diaper like an astronaut on the way to kidnap an ex boyfriend
One comment on the Mineserver things and I’ll get to my Cloud Comments. I’m sorry I’m a bit late on this, but I’ve stopped caring as much what Cringely says, and have really moved on to other things. I’m not sure when I’ll be back to read another article.
Mineserver – I would argue that regular updates to the KickStarter site would have probably prevented Roger and his ilk of pissed off customers from even coming here. Even if they were as simple as, “we’re still having problems”. I do Technical Architecture reviews and Project Management for a living. My boss is constantly on me to have bi-weekly meetings with our implementation partners and customers, even if nothing is going on. Why? Because, before the product or service is fully delivered, the customer deserves a regular update. Even just once a month. It’s a hallmark of being a business. Now, what most of you have missed here is that Bob is a JOURNALIST. He’s not a small businessman, not an entrepreneur. He has no idea of the rigor and disciplines of running a business. Including follow-up. He likes to think of himself as a historian of computing, but he’s just been lucky enough to have a few friends in high places and involved enough in the rumor mill at certain times of his life to have been privy to the best news.
Cloud Computing – I’ve been working in computing for 32 years and 3 days. I started June 30, 1986 at American Airlines. SABRE didn’t even exist until 1989. I now work for a cloud services company, the reason I’m a “former Texas IBMer” . I have been laid off 3 whole weeks during that 32 years and 3 days. Good computing requires that same rigor and discipline that I allude to. Good companies like Amazon, Salesforce, Google, Apple and Salesforce solve that Productivity Paradox, and make their employees tremendously productive. I think the ultimate measure of a CEO should be the dollars of revenue per employee. The higher that metric, the better job the company and the CEO are doing. Those guys have solved the productivity paradox. The truth is, corporations and people become lazy. They lose their discipline. Going public means that Wall Street owns the company, not the founders, and if things are going well, the managers don’t care. They don’t keep pushing, they just relax and let their systems work in the same way they always have. Until they don’t work anymore. Sears had a great catalog business, and a great retail store and should have been a huge presence when the Internet came out. Yet they are sitting at the edge of liquidation. JCPenney has been working their IT guys 7 days a week 12 hours a day for years, and yet, they are having to sell their real estate to make their floorplan each year. They are running out of real-estate to sell. The rigor and discipline involves doing the “current work well”, but also looking forward to do the “next work well”. It involves always asking, “how can we automate this so we can do it with 6 employees instead of 12”. And many here commented, in typical public corporations, there incentives are actually the opposite of that. Being good at business is hard work, and most people just aren’t up for it. I wish I could highlight that last sentence, but I’ll just repeat it. Being good at business is hard work, and most people just aren’t up for it.
How about a future article on how much BS AI is right now? You probably wouldn’t know what AI really is…
Things being hyped as AI
Computer Generated Speech
Speech Recognition
Advanced Pattern Matching Algorithms
Running billions of combinations through Analytics Software looking for statistically significant differences.
Running the results of social media through Advanced Analytics software looking for patterns
Run of the mill data analytics
To me, these hardly qualify as “artificial intelligence”…
Cringelys career must have stalled badly if he can’t tempt Kickstarter into suing him for recovery of Mineserver customers money. Indiegogo reports it is hiring a debt collector to reclaim customers money from RCL.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/04/zx_spectrum_reboot_scandal_continues/
AI can be broken into Hard-AI and Soft-AI. Hard-AI is when we pass the Turing test and have walking/talking Westworld-style AI. But Soft-AI is when we apply AI technologies to solve real-world problems. There are tonnes of great examples of Soft-AI in use today (and been around for decades). Pretty much everything you mention above applies.
Well okay, I guess we’re done here.
Anyone know if Bob still posts here? It’s been awhile since his last article so I’m not sure if he migrated elsewhere? Not really sure what’s going on or if this comments section got hit with spam because the comments seem all over the place and most don’t seem related to his article. Then last comment talks about being done here. Is there another site I should go to? Very confused right now.
I’m pretty sure that that “I guess we’re done here” comment was not referring to any particular event, but quite the opposite, i.e. the lack of events here. Bob hasn’t posted in about 2 months and the conversation here has dried up, so I think the comment was more to the effect of “Nothing to see here, move on.” I don’t have any secret insider information, but Bob has been posting at a rate of about one post a month for a long time now, so this lull in the activity doesn’t seem strange or remarkable to me. And people don’t write posts related to the article anymore because scandal, drama, and strap-ons are more interesting and fun to write about than cloud computing. When any “serious” discussion forum dies down, the “Internet people” tend to show up.
@Richard, you could always try his Kickstarter site: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/583591444/mineservertm-a-99-home-minecraft-server/comments
Anyone else notice that the references in this article to the Kickstarter project seem to be gone? No apology or future promises in the text anymore? Speaks to the sincerity if the content gets deleted after a few weeks, doesn’t it?
@drjohn1963 — Crookely’s mention of the Kickstarter project was only in his comment dated May 21, 2018 at 1:10pm and that’s still there.
I see. I had forgotten that it was in the comments, rather than the article itself. Thanks.
It’s okay, Bob. Come on back and tell us what Santa Rosa is like these days. Or talk about anything you want to.
It’s been a while…
Watching this site over the last couple of years has been very useful for me to see what happens with a new product… without wonderful product support …that is, good enough for every participant in their eyes and see for myself what happens when this does not happen.
My interest is because I am two years in on a “Software as a Service” product, what you might call a “cloud” product. Am able to fund great development for another year or so with long 7 day weeks, but, and this is the problem, not able to fund great support for a general cloud release.
We recently now have two paying customers ( which I am very happy about ), chosen carefully so that we can hold hands with them and get great feed back. However, a general release can suddenly have a few thousand trial users asking all sorts of questions. No way we have the time in any day to answer all those daily questions from many of them.
So what I have learnt here watching this site lately, is that we will need a way to limit our release to only some people, not all comers. Now working on a way to easily filter out and limit trial users. I know I know, many will say get funded by an investor, but have never seen this work out well for anyone. Quiet the contrary actually! Much more fun running the whole show, for better or for worse, as best we can, as the saying goes. So thanks again Bob, for tempering my enthusiasm for an early open cloud lunch date.
James, you’ve actually drawn the best lesson from this — congratulations, I hope your launch is a success.
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The irony is that Bob has another solid book here, comparable and aimed at the same market that purchased Dan Lyons’ “Disrupted” recently — older gen tech reporter dives into the swimming pool, hits bottom, instantly regrets it. Hell half the people annoyed at him would probably buy it. I probably would too.
What’s disrupting is the mass labour dumping of importing Hindus to replace American graduates in the work place
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