2017 was a wild ride for cryptocurrencies and for Bitcoin in particular, rising in price at one point above $19,000 only to drop back to a bit over half of that number now. But which number is correct? If only the market can tell for sure — and these numbers are coming straight from the market, remember — what the heck does it all mean? It means Bitcoin isn’t a currency at all but traders are pretending that it is. 2018 will see investors finally figure this out.
Confusion abounds, so let’s cut through the crap with an analogy. Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin, Ethereum and a ton of others operate almost exactly like a market that uses only U.S. one dollar bills and doesn’t allow exchanging those bills… ever. If you need five dollars, that will be five one dollar bills, please. If you need less than a dollar then you and your counter-party have to agree how much of a one dollar bill you each own. And they aren’t just any one dollar bills: they are specific bills, each with its own unique serial number that can be checked against a U.S. Treasury database to make sure the money is real — that it is actually worth a dollar.
Like those serialized one dollar bills, each Bitcoin (or part of a Bitcoin) is unique and can be held by only one party at a time. The Bitcoin carries its own computational proof of identity so no central database is needed, making cryptocurrencies part money and part accounting system. And just in case Scott Cook is reading this, I’ll suggest that a very logical addition to Intuit’s QuickBooks would be a proprietary cryptocurrency I’d call QuickBucks.
If KODAK… KODAK… can do it, why can’t intuit?
The problem with Cryptocurrencies, and the reason why their prices (and implied underlying value) are so volatile, is because the basis of that value isn’t the same as the basis for a real currency. It’s not backed by gold. It’s not backed by “the full faith and credit of the United States of America.” It’s not backed by, well, anything. In that sense of innate value cryptocurrencies are worthless.
But this is not to say that Bitcoin has no value. It’s just that the value is misunderstood. And here’s probably the most important point I am trying to make here: as long as the value of Bitcoin is misunderstood there will be hucksters taking advantage of suckers, stealing their crypto lunch money.
EVERYTHING in the cryptocurrency world is about the exchange rate, which is to say nothing is about the actual cryptocurrency itself. You see there is nothing holding the price of any legitimate cryptocurrency up or down except supply and demand and both of those are constantly changing. So the smart trader knows never to hold Bitcoins — or at least not to hold them for very long — because what went up will inevitably go down.
This is what makes Bitcoin a horrible investment but a wonderful trade, because there is money to be made in that inevitable volatility. Not only will what goes up come down again: it will also go back up again if you wait long enough.
This is all because Bitcoin and similar currencies aren’t currencies at all but financial instruments. They are tools just like options or derivatives. And like good tools, they perform a specific function very well — reliably transferring value between parties without those parties having to meet or even know each other. But once that transfer is complete, then the true value of the Bitcoin has effectively been used and is therefore subject to change, which again explains the volatility.
The value of Bitcoin goes up with demand on the part of those who would use it to transfer value. Some Russian oligarch, for example, has heard a rumor that Putin is after every Ruble in his piggybank, so the oligarch exchanges those Rubles for Bitcoins as he boards his private jet in Moscow, then exchanges Bitcoins for U.S. dollars before he lands in some safer country. He doesn’t care much about the exchange rate because the oligarch only intends to hold the Bitcoins for at most a few hours. But turning 10 billion Rubles into Bitcoins will inevitably drive up the Bitcoin spot price. This is key — the spot price.
Now let’s say we have that day buying Bitcoins in addition to the Russian oligarch a Chinese industrialist, a Saudi prince, and a Nigerian con man, each with cops pounding on the door and $1 billion to move ASAP. With all that demand the Bitcoin price goes higher and higher and none of these parties actually gives a damn because over the course of their trades the price only goes up a bit. But to Bitcoin traders and (shudder) Bitcoin investors — this rise in price looks like a rise in value so of course they jump-in driving the price higher still.
What happens, though, when the big trades are all finished and the Bitcoins reconverted to real currencies? The price of Bitcoin then drops because its utility as a financial instrument is not so urgently needed. There is nothing bad or good about this price change which is perhaps most analogous to breathing. In-out, up-down, that’s just how cryptocurrencies operate.
Well most cryptocurrencies. There’s one that is different. It’s called Ripple and right now it is the third most valuable cryptocurrency. Ripple is different because it doesn’t really even claim to be a currency. Ripple is a tool for transferring funds between banks. You don’t mine Ripple, either. Every Ripple that will ever exist already exists today, though not all are in circulation. All Ripple does is what I’ve described Bitcoin doing though in the case of Ripple it’s minus the drama and bullshit.
There are probably cryptocurrencies that are total hogwash and not even mathematically sound. After all, there are criminals in every industry. But the best known cryptocurrencies are probably okay. Bitcoin is worth more than the others only because it has been mined longer and there are more of them in circulation, meaning greater liquidity to support larger transactions. If you want to transfer a zillion bucks from there to here are you going to use Bitcoins or KODAKcoins? My point exactly.
Until everyone comes to understand these underlying truths there will be huge Bitcoin price volatility with fortunes made and lost every day. But once we all get onboard, Bitcoin promises to become the little trading engine that could. That’s because for every time we know Bitcoin will go down we know that it will inevitably go back up again.
If you notice Bitcoin is down, buy it. When you’ve made as much profit as you need, sell it, then wait for Bitcoin to inevitably go back down again. Those who have a very high risk tolerance or think they can time the market will hold on longer and be more likely to lose their shirts. It’s a much better Bitcoin trading strategy to not be greedy, living instead on the crumbs of oligarchs and conmen.
This is an understanding that I predict will broadly emerge in 2018.
A major problem with Bitcoin is the transaction fees. The fees briefly hit $50 per transaction in December, and are now down to just over $10. Any transaction still typically takes hours to process.
The reason is that Bitcoin is simply not scalable to handle a high transaction load.
There are various proposed solutions and Bitcoin forks, but these all have their own problems, and have caused a lot of division in the Bitcoin community. It’s difficult to reach consensus about changes to the protocol when there is no central authority.
Bitcoin investors are going to find out the hard way about the limits of transaction processing if the value crashes and large numbers of people all try to cash out at the same time. It will not be possible to cash out because the transaction load will be too high, which will lead to a further crash in the value.
Last year Bob wrote buy bitcoin on every 10% correction. That is obviously stupid because it assumes the trend will always be up. You can see what happens when that trend runs out of ponzi suckers.
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A better prediction is bitcoin is an interesting new software category, but someone will come along with a better version that fixes some of the weaknesses.
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My prediction is a major bank or gov’t will come out with a crypto that will take over the market. If say visa/mastercard were to do that, they could use their payments system to ensure it has wide use in everyday business. That would sweep all the others into the garbage bin.
Banks will never embrace crypto currencies because unlike dollars, you cannot loan out a crypto currency that you don’t actually have.
But isn’t that exactly the way the current ‘official’ financial system is working (lend money they don’t actually have)?
Most bitcoin trades don’t even ever go into the block chain. They occur on exchanges between wallets, so the exchange keeps track of who owns what, not the block chain.
Avoiding the blockchain invalidates the whole point of bitcoin.
It means that ‘officially’ the transactions have never taken place. They are only recorded in the exchange’s own database. The exchange can arbitrarily alter transactions, and you may not actually ‘own’ the amount of bitcoin you think you own.
So you have to blindly trust the exchange, and considering that exchanges have previously crashed and gone out of business overnight, and the bitcoin they held has ‘disappeared’, that’s asking a lot.
When you are dealing with shady, anonymous operators running exchanges, and you don’t understand the technical details – as 99% of users don’t – then caveat emptor.
At least there is one subject that Mark is an expert on, hucksters and scam artists. As the old saying goes, “it takes one to know one”.
Hey Bob, Thanks for trying to cover up your lack of knowledge from the previous post with something you’re an expert on to try to diffuse the situation rather than jumping in, commenting, and saying “You know what, you’re right. I was wrong.” Unfortunately these words aren’t in your vocabulary. Hope your bitcoin mining treats you better than Kickstarter did…
You make so little sense. Is there some context to your words? If your name isn’t James Joyce then stream of conscisouness isn’t for you.
@Moschops Read Bob’s last post: https://www.cringely.com/2018/01/19/prediction-3-2018-foreign-profit-repatriation-591-8-billion-taxpayer-ripoff/
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Namely the comments section where everyone called Bob out that he was just flat out wrong. Rather than address his mistake or jump in the conversation, he just moves on to the next thing. He used to have a dialogue with his audience, now he just talks at us. You’ll notice that the times when people disagree with him more than agree he quickly posts another blog entry to try to move on quickly rather than let it linger. He runs from his problems rather than faces them…
Echo chamber concludes that members of echo chamber are absolutely correct; is confused that those outside of echo chamber don’t agree. Film at 11!
Why do you assume he is knowledgeable on this subject. Look up Gell-Mann amnesia. On a subject of which people have knowledge, they realize Cringely is in error. Then they happily absorb everything he writes on a different subject of which they are not familiar, completely forgetting what just happened.
You see a conspiracy where there is none. I time columns based on publishing them when they are finished and nothing else. In this instance I’m pushing them out a bit faster simply because readers expect 10 predictions and I’m trying to provide those as expeditiously as possible. But whatever you think I used to do as opposed to what I do today all comes from my having a life outside this page. I’m homeless, remember, having lost a house in the recent fire. Until you’ve had such an experience and tried dealing with insurance companies facing 4700 such claims in one town and trying to pay as little as they can (preferably nothing) you won’t be able to imagine my actual full-time job — getting an insurance check that is still months away and won’t come at all unless I am super-vigilant.
@Robert X. Cringely I admit that your situation sucks and I don’t envy the position you’re in or having to deal with insurance companies, but you have to understand (from my perspective) that it’s harder to sympathize with someone who, being homeless and trying to get money, is bragging about how he gets to go flying again (an expensive pass time) or resorts to name calling people who funded him $35k for a product that never saw the light of day and there has been fairly little open communication about.
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I wish you all the best with your insurance situation and any other ailments life is throwing your way, but you shouldn’t expect sympathy from others if you aren’t willing to offer it yourself…
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(Also arbitrarily making 10 predictions just for the sake of doing it seems ill-advised. Make as many predictions as you think you can foresee, otherwise you’re just adding filler and wasting people’s time on something you’re not truly invested in or truly believe yourself).
@Robert X. Cringely – Sounds like another “we’re not dead yet” column.More on that in a few days ….
“In this instance I’m pushing them out a bit faster simply because readers expect 10 predictions and I’m trying to provide those as expeditiously as possible.”
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Yes, because you wouldn’t want to shaft the people who come to your blog for free; Instead you’d rather ignore and/or berate those who actually paid you money and have requested details/closure for over a year. Sounds like you’ve got your priorities in order so I’ll leave you to do your thing…
Not sure to whom you’re responding, Bob. It appears, by its position in the thread, you’re responding to “Talking to a Wall”, but his comment isn’t concerned with the speed of these predictions.
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“Bitcoin stays crazy until traders learn it is not a currency.” Really? That’s your prediction? That could be said of any fad:
*Beanie Babies stay crazy until traders learn that they are just plush toys.
*Tickle Me Elmo stays crazy until every child has one.
*[Insert fad here] stays crazy until [everyone moves on to the next big thing].
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You’re not predicting anything here, Bob, you’re just stating what everyone and history already knows – fads come and go and bitcoin is a fad right now. It was big a few years ago, then got quiet, then blew up recently, and will go back into hiding once the hype (and money) falls. It’s starting to feel like you’re just trying to pad your prediction numbers with some of this nonsense…
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Your “problem” with cryptocurrencies is not the problem… that’s the whole dang point of them in the first place. And yes, bitcoin is lame, because it has been crippled by high transaction fees and all that jazz, but there are worthy alternatives out there that provide a solution to the original vision.
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Great post
“That’s because for every time we know Bitcoin will go down we know that it will inevitably go back up again”
Bob, I have some tulip bulbs to sell you. They will inevitably go back up again.
I like the documentary “Boom Bust Boom” directed by Terry Jones.
These currencies are as important as tulip bulbs, except they have distorted the market for video cards & memory. The PC hardware blogs have complained about it for awhile. Looking forward to the collapse!
We will then be spoiled with awesome video cards at garrage sale prices. Can’t wait.
Good article – and as with all bitcoin news, there’s no way to know it it’s right or wrong, only time will tell. I got into bitcoin several years ago just mining the little puppies for fun and entertainment + it keeps the house warm in the winter. So far I’ve mined three of them but I sold two mid December – it’s paid for the kids education so I’m ahead of the game – no complaints.
I have been calling this schtick the BiteCon ever since I heard about it. it’s the computerized version of “but the guy down the street wants only 3 eggs for a turkey!” anything can be used as a token for value in trade. once all the power is in the hands of speculators and Big Operators, however, it is the latest chain (blockchain?) in the age-old game of wage slavery. and when they’re done with you, they fiddle the books and wipe you out.
Big Miners/Big Traders = the omnipresent shadow rulers.
nothing new here except you have to pass a math test to get any.
“Now let’s say we have that day buying Bitcoins in addition to the Russian oligarch a Chinese industrialist, a Saudi prince, and a Nigerian con man, each with cops pounding on the door and $1 billion to move ASAP.”
The standard use cases for cryptocurrency tell me all I need to know about their viability as an investment vehicle.
I think this is a good point. Cryptocurrencies will always have a niche in certain types of transactions. Once people realize that it’s not a good idea to mortgage their houses to “invest,” the values will come way down, but as long as it’s not zero, there is a use for them.
However, I don’t think bitcoin is popular due to liquidity. It’s popular because it’s popular. People buy it because it sounds like a reliable brand, and they’re hoping for a rise in value. The market cap for Litecoin is $9,805,238,864 USD, Bitcoin is $188,515,444,410 USD, and Ripplecoin is $52,025,894,012 USD. So, there’s plenty of value for transactions. We’ll see what happens when the price collapses. though. My prediction is one currency, whichever is most useful, will be used. Bitcoin transaction fees are so high right now that even a bitcoin conference wouldn’t accept it. Bitcoin will go the way of Friendster and Myspace when the prices finally collapse, in that no one will even pay any attention to it anymore.
Ripple, Bob?? RIPPLE???
It’s PayPal for banks with a meaningless coin tacked on to the side as a brazen attempt to ride the cryptocoin wave. There are 38 billion (!) of them in existence with a total potential supply of 100 billion which means it can be massively inflated from here. It’s a centrally-controlled coin and fully 20% of the coin supply is reserved for Ripple insiders. Ripple does NOT use a trustless blockchain public ledger, rather it’s a trusted private-ledger system which is completely orthogonal to the ideas of transparency and auditability that drove the cryptocurrency revolution in the first place. The Ripple coin is more analogous to a casino chip than a legitimate cryptocoin, which are mined or staked into existence.
Bitcoin at least embodies some revolutionary new ideas about what money can be in the internet age. Ripple on the other hand is a rehash of the old, failed ideas that have led the global financial system to the brink of ruination, but cynically dressed up as a modern cryptocurrency in order to dupe clueless fools into thinking they are doing something different besides running a gigantic scam.
You’ve got some catching up to do.
And there are no Bitcoin insiders??? As I recall the mysterious putative Bitcoin inventor is sitting on a huge stash now valued in billions. Or doesn’t that count?
Maybe he’s the one who spent them all on two pizzas when he first acquired them. 🙂
Bob, the difference between Bitcoin insiders and Ripple insiders is, the former achieved their wealth legitimately. It’s pretty well understood that Satoshi Nakamoto has approximately 1 million bitcoin that he mined back when nobody knew, or cared, about Bitcoin. Bitcoin’s value went from literally zero to what it is today because other people traded it freely in the marketplace based on their perception of its merits as a future form of money. Ripple, on the other hand, is a cynical ploy by bankers to piggyback on popular perceptions (and misconceptions) of what constitutes a cryptocoin in order to exploit the gullible and perpetuate their vile fiat money central-banking scam. Comparing Bitcoin “insiders” (i.e. people who had the vision to mine and/or acquire Bitcoin based on its merits) and Ripple insiders (cynical ripoff artists) is like comparing honest entrepreneurs to dishonest con artists– i.e., absurd.
I remember the Pyramid schemes of the 70s. Everyone thought it was just a wonderful way for the little guy to make money! Of course in that case the only people who made money were the early advocates who collected money for a while and got the hell out! Bitcoin is maybe a touch more substantial, but not by much IMHO. Probably way to late to make any real money off it and those hundred or so want to bes will be gone before too long.
I had this same thought. I worry about people being convinced to turn their 401K funds into cryptocurrencies, yet I see ads suggesting that every day. They also say Bitcoin is going to $500K, which seems doubtful to me…
@Robert X. Cringely – I predict Bitcoin will go to over $500,000 before you ship any mineservers.
In my opinion, Zelle will probably become the defacto electronic currency. If Apple is able to insinuate itself into the Zelle system with Apple Pay, then I think the success of Zelle will be much more likely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelle_(payment_service)
Obviously, criminals will always want an anonymous currency. I’m guessing Bitcoin backed by gold bullion is the most likely candidate for that role. Stockpiling gold is a huge inefficiency – but, if you are a criminal and need a dependable anonymous currency, then I’m guessing the gold bullion tied to specific Bitcoins is a likely long-term model.
Any currency discussion obviously needs to state the obvious point that the US dollar has no intrinsic value – other than a large number of individuals have agreed to use it.
Any currency discussion obviously needs to state the obvious point that the US dollar has no intrinsic value – other than a large number of individuals have agreed to use it.
This is a common fallacy. The difference between a national currency and a cryptocurrency is that a national currency
– Is backed by the laws, national institutions, and social structure of a nation.
– Is centrally controlled by the government of a nation.
– Is used to pay government employees, to receive taxes, duties, and fines, and for all financial transactions by individuals or companies with the national government.
– Is used by many millions, or hundreds of millions, of people for all the transactions of their daily lives – billions of transactions of every type every day.
– Is accepted by any and every business and individual.
– Is used for government bonds, and for transactions between nations.
A cryptocurrency, or a commodity, or any arbitrary means of exchange is none of these things – and can never be – because it is not backed by a whole nation. You may as well agree with a few friends to use baseball cards or cowrie shells for transactions among yourselves.
A currency which is not backed by a national government, and by the laws and institutions of a nation, is just a private, unenforceable arrangement between individuals. It cannot be used for financial transactions within the legally established social framework of a nation.
GreenWyvern,
Your examples support my assertion:
The US dollar has no intrinsic value except for the fact that people have agreed to use it.
Great Britain used the Euro – then it didn’t.
The US Federal government is using the dollar today… someday it may decide not to use it.
The US dollar has many advantages that Bitcoin does not. But Bitcoin provides a huge benefit that the US dollar does not: anonymous financial transactions – and, criminals want to have access to anonymous financial transactions.
Bitcoin is pseudonymous, not anonymous. Big difference. It’s not impossible to associate IRL identities with Bitcoin addresses–in fact, in some cases it’s relatively easy to do so. Peter Thiel’s Palantir software is tailor made for this purpose, that’s most likely what they used to track down Ross Ulbricht.
Anybody who tells you that Bitcoin facilitates illegal activity or money laundering is just exposing their own ignorance–and you can expect a lot of disingenuous politicians and bankers to promote that lie in the coming year. But only a retard would use it for that purpose in 2018. There are other cryptocurrencies specifically designed for that use case now.
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To be fair, Ethereum doesn’t try and bill itself as a currency either, people have just been trading it that way. It’s meant to be a general distributed ledger for contract fulfillment, etc. and the Ether are a way of paying for that fulfillment. From the FAQ:
“Ether is to be treated as “crypto-fuel”, a token whose purpose is to pay for computation, and is not intended to be used as or considered a currency, asset, share or anything else.”
There is a problem with bitcoin that many have missed. It is not
“Like those serialized one dollar bills, each Bitcoin (or part of a Bitcoin) is unique and can be held by only one party at a time. The Bitcoin carries its own computational proof of identity so no central database is needed, making cryptocurrencies part money and part accounting system.”
There is a central database, that gets replicated in full to every miner.
Now, there is a catch. If someone gets a majority of the mining at any time, they can rewrite the entire database and take away all your bitcoins.
Interesting take on Bitcoin. Surely it is the ability to exchange Bitcoin into something else that gives Bitcoin its value PLUS the anonymous nature of that exchange. There’s the rub. If this money laundering technique comes under the gaze of governments, then its days are numbered. I keep expecting the IRS or perhaps the FBI to attack Bitcoin for hiding both legal and illegal profits.
Bitcoin is not the least bit anonymous.
In fact, all of your purchases are kept forever in the blockchain.
Indeed. Bankers and politicians are terrified of bitcoin and other public-ledger cryptocurrencies precisely because it promotes open and honest dealings. Right now the global banking system thrives on massive profits from money laundering, precisely because bank ledgers are private and are easily kept hidden. Certain banks (HSBC being one of the most notable) are notorious for the hundreds of billions of dollars they launder EVERY YEAR. An amount so huge that they can easily afford to pay for the political protection necessary to keep their business thriving. As public-blockchain cryptocurrencies become more popular, expect the bankers–and the politicians on their payroll– to push back against them precisely BECAUSE they promote openness and transparency. Of course, because they are criminals, they will lie and will try to paint pseudonymous public-ledgers as facilitating criminal behavior, which is on-its-face absurd to anyone who bothers to actually think about it for longer than a few minutes.
Well, every banker at Davos has said the same thing all week. Because the algorithm to create bitcoins makes it more impossible to mine them over time, it’s a terrible way to manage a currency. First of all, a bunch of “founders” probably still hold the majority of bitcoin, who mined them at first and then watched each one become worth tens of thousands of dollars. They are not liquid, long transaction times to settle, and high fees as the cost of doing business. I agree that they are fiat, but they aren’t money. I look for the US Government to issue their own crypto-currency in a few years, but where they can expand the supply at will, just like they do dollars. The reason the dollar remains as the settling currency of the world is two-fold. 1) It is liquid, meaning you can get them easily, with little to no transaction cost. That is because, in times of financial crisis, the US government can expand the money supply at will. 2) And it is “relatively” stable in value. It’s certainly nowhere near as stable as a gold-backed currency, but right now, the US Dollar holds it’s own just fine against the other fiat currencies of the world, and even Switzerland ties their currency to the dollar.
Re:” 1) It is liquid, meaning you can get them easily, with little to no transaction cost. That is because, in times of financial crisis, the US government can expand the money supply at will. 2) And it is “relatively” stable in value.” The keyword is “relatively”. Not much consolation when it costs $1,000 for a loaf of bread. That’s the whole point of bitcoin, it’s value is impervious to government meddling.
I realize that a lot of people buying bitcoin don’t trust the government for various reasons. Some are criminals hiding or laundering money, some want to provide anonymity to illegal acts. Some are legitimately worried about government debt. Some are afraid of the growing power of government (which they could use the ballot box to vote in Libertarians, but they don’t). I think the word now is “preppers”, meaning those preparing for a big breakdown in society. If you are a prepper, you need to start on the GGL plan (gun, gold, and land), then add MREs and other stuff once you have the first three secured. Those and speculation (you believe you can make money at it) are the only reasons to own bitcoin. It will never be a currency. Other crypto-currencies may get a chance, but no blockchain is going to hold every pack of gum, coffee, fast food lunch purchase without collapsing on it’s own weight and it’s a waste of every one’s time. Contracts, real estate settlement, maybe vehicle purchases are another story. There’s probably a purchase amount around $25,000 where it starts to make sense. But no company is going to execute a project plan extending two years with a payout at the end in blockchain if the value of the currency is going to bounce around like a yo-yo. So I think without the backing of either a group of large corporations, or a large country which can provide the equivalent of trillions in liqudity, this is one of the above and doesn’t get legal “real” business done.
“Some are criminals hiding or laundering money, some want to provide anonymity to illegal acts.”
Wrong. Bitcoin is pseudonymous, not anonymous, and if you think that criminals and money launderers haven’t figured out the implications of that difference yet, you’re retarded. HINT: Ross Ulbricht.
I agree, except for the name-calling. In Bob’s column, we reserve the name-calling to Bob, himself, and then, only in regard to mineserver. Also, Buckaroo Banzai, has given us a lot to think about.
>it’s value is impervious to government meddling.
Not true. Government could just spend a lot of money to take over the mining market, and steal everyone’s bitcoins.
That would be politically unpopular, like Prohibition or Gun Control. If that happened, everyone with Bitcoin would move over to another crypto currency. You can fight ignorance but it’s hard to fight Math.
“…they are specific bills, each with its own unique serial number”
Nope. Unless you’re trying to make it simple for the simple folks. But those are not your readers. Please get the details right.
The value of bitcoin is derived from its provable scarcity. Nothing comes closer in that regard. Hence it’s value. When you add some information theory (see George Gilder @ScandalOfMoney) you will get it.
Scarcity is not an issue at all.
Bitcoin is actually used in tiny fractions. 0.00000001 of a bitcoin (called a satoshi) is currently the smallest unit. If you send 0.3 BTC to someone you are in fact really sending 30,000,000 satoshis. The protocol could also be extended indefinitely to smaller fractions of a satoshi.
Bitcoins do not have unique ‘serial numbers’.
A quantity of bitcoin is nothing but a number in the blockchain ‘ledger’. Person A owns x satoshis, he sends person B y satoshis. That’s all.
If you add up all the quantities in the blockchain you get the total number of bitcoins. Mining increases this total, tending to a maximum of about 21 million BTC as mining becomes more and more difficult. But subdivision means that there will never be a scarcity.
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@GreenWyvern
Scarcity is not an issue but the root of bitcoin’s value. (You should read before answering).
If there is no scarcity, then how can it be the root of bitcoin’s value?
Another thought:
The bitcoin price has fallen by more than half since December. Does that mean it’s become twice as scarce?
Bitcoin is the international prototype of the metre for the economy.
(Also Bob, this shows how out of your turf you are here. This prediction will be your worst fail next year)
The Whipsaw Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiE1VgWdcQM
Some governments have already decided that Bitcoin isn’t a currency, I think some decided it was an commodity and therefor exempt from currency laws.
I get the impression that the current dive in Bitcoin’s price has been engineered so some big boys can buy into it and ride it up again.
As the dragon said to Grendel: “My advice to you, my young friend, is to seek out gold and sit on it.”
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