Last week Amazon.com was the first of the large cloud service companies other than Rackspace to finally break out revenue and expenses for its cloud operation. The market was cheered by news that Amazon Web Services (AWS) last quarter made an operating profit of $265 million with an operating profit margin of 19.6 percent. AWS, which many thought was running at break-even or possibly at a loss, turns out to be for Amazon a $5 billion business generating a third of the company’s total profits. That’s good, right? Not if it establishes a benchmark for typical-to-good cloud service provider performance. In fact it suggests that some companies — IBM especially — are going to have a very difficult time finding success in the cloud.
First let’s look at the Amazon numbers and define a couple terms. The company announced total AWS sales, operating profit, and operating profit margins for the last four quarters. Sales are, well, sales, while operating profit is supposed to be sales minus all expenses except interest and taxes (called EBIT — Earnings Before Interest and Taxes). Amazon does pay interest on debt, though it pays very little in taxes. Since tax rates, especially, vary a lot from country to country, EBIT is used to help normalize operating results for comparing one multinational business with another.
There’s another figure that wasn’t reported and that’s gross profit margin — simply the ratio of the Cost of Goods Sold (COGS — in this case the cost of directly providing the AWS service) to the revenue from customers paying for that service. Gross margins are always higher than operating margins because they involve fewer expenses. As an example IBM’s operating margins as a total corporation are also 19 percent-and-change just like AWS’s while IBM’s gross margins are just over 50 percent. This doesn’t mean that gross margins for AWS have to be similar to those of IBM, but what it strongly suggests is that cloud gross margins in the real world aren’t typically in the stratospheric range of pure software companies where 80+ percent is common.
These numbers contrast sharply with experts who have suggested in the recent past that cloud computing is a high-margin business with gross margins of 70-90 percent. Here’s a quote on this subject from a story last year in Re/Code:
So how profitable could the cloud be? IBM doesn’t yet disclose the gross margins of its cloud operations, but it’s worth looking around at other companies for comparisons. IBM’s closest competitor is Amazon, which doesn’t break out the financials of its Amazon Web Services unit. Educated guesses have pegged the size of AWS at bringing in $5 billion in revenue at a gross margin of 90 percent or higher. A gross margin of that size would equal that of IBM’s software unit, which as of yesterday was 89 percent.
No way AWS gross margins are that high and last week’s numbers prove it. For those who love to dive into these numbers it should be pointed out that the reported AWS figures are actually significantly lower if adjusted for accounting sleight-of-hand. AWS specifically excludes from its results stock-based employee compensation ($407 million for Amazon as a whole with $233 million of that attributed to Technology and Content of which AWS is a part) and a mysterious $44 million in other operating expenses that weren’t attributed by Amazon to any particular division. For a true Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) earnings analysis these extra costs should be factored-in. If we charge a third of the Technology and Content stock-based compensation to AWS ($77 million) and a sales-adjusted eight percent of the mystery $44 million (~$3.5 million), that brings AWS operating profit down to around $175 million and operating margin to about 13.5 percent, which coincidentally is not far off from a similar number at Rackspace.
This does not at all mean that cloud computing is a bad business to be in. If you are a Microsoft, Google, or Amazon it’s a business you absolutely have to be in. If you are Rackspace it’s all you do. But that doesn’t mean cloud is likely to help your highly-profitable company look even better to Wall Street. Just the opposite, in fact.
Looking at IBM for example (or Oracle or HP, which are in very similar situations) Cloud is a key component of IBM’s CAMSS (Cloud, Analytics, Mobile, Social, Security) strategy for transforming the corporation, but if cloud profit margins are actually lower than those of IBM overall they will tend to drag earnings down, not boost them up.
AWS proves Cloud by itself is like the PC business — high volume, low margin. And it’s a high investment business into which Amazon poured almost $5 billion during a time when IBM was crowing about its own $1 billion cloud budget.
This means IBM can’t count on the cloud to directly increase profitability, which is exactly what the company predicted on IBM’s earnings call two weeks ago. Uh-oh.
But for companies like IBM there’s more to cloud computing than just servers and bandwidth, and this is where some see IBM’s salvation. IBM, Oracle, HP, etc. do cloud computing because there is a market for it and they can sell other more profitable services with it. They try to make their money on the other services.
Some conveniently forget that IBM struggled and stumbled badly for its first several years in the cloud business, which it ran under a variety of names. Big Blue struggled with cloud because — like the PC — when dealing with a low margin business IBM does not know how to operate in that mode. Buying Softlayer got IBM back into the cloud business. Softlayer, not IBM, knew how to do cloud computing.
One way you make more money in a low margin business is to sell more profitable options and services. In the case of the PC it was software. For the cloud it is applications and services. In this context I am defining an application as a collection of software products put together and configured to provide a business function. Anyone can buy a computer and an accounting package. An application in this context is being able to buy the accounting as a ready to go service — Software as a Service, or SaaS.
The other way to make money is to sell support services with the cloud. Of all the cloud providers IBM is best positioned to sell support services with its cloud. In fact if you look at IBM’s recent cloud signings, services is a big part of them. While IBM is best positioned to sell services with its cloud, it is simultaneously gutting its services division. This is an excellent example of how IBM’s short term and long term goals are in horrible conflict. By gutting services, IBM is upsetting customers and damaging its ability to sell its products and services.
In the area of SaaS IBM’s business software portfolio is very weak. In the 1990’s IBM had a huge software portfolio then squandered it in the early 2000’s when then-CEO Sam Palmisano chose to maximize shareholder value and killed most software projects. Sam apparently figured it would be more profitable to ship software maintenance offshore and to acquire new software products instead of developing them. The problem was Sam didn’t understand the future importance of SaaS. IBM’s big On Demand business was proof of that: it had no software. Today, for example, IBM doesn’t have accounting software it can build into SaaS.
For IBM to become a strong player in the cloud SaaS market I think they need to make a deal with the devil — Oracle. IBM should negotiate a licensing and marketing agreement with Oracle to host Oracle business products on IBM’s cloud. Both companies would then market the new software as a service.
Neither company, of course, will do this.
IBM is beginning to realize the importance of services to its cloud business. Right now IBM doesn’t have much in the way of cloud services to sell beyond Softlayer and the horribly dated Websphere. But IBM recently announced their Hybrid Cloud. There is more to this than meets the eye. If IBM is successful they will be able to provide support services to customers using anyone’s cloud. AWS can make their 16.9 percent from the platform (cloud infrastructure — the lower margin bits) and IBM may be able to make 30 percent from support services.
But a big cloud support win ought to require good tools and IBM lacks those. They have to get past the mindset of billable hours (the longer something takes to accomplish the better at IBM) to actually fulfilling customer requirements. This will take better cloud tools like those of Adobe Systems. It only takes a few mouse clicks with Adobe/AWS to set up a new web service — a simple task that still takes weeks for IBM with Websphere. The Adobe tools are much, much, much better than IBM’s.
IBM should clearly partner with Adobe (AWS is already). But is anyone at IBM talking to Adobe? Does anyone know IBM should be talking to Adobe? I doubt it. Why does IBM need Adobe, they’ll ask, when they already have Websphere?
I am not making this up.
IBM has landed its fleet of Gulfstreams at the Little Rock airport for tomorrow’s annual shareholders meeting.
bob
It would be nice to see at least one article pointing out something good that IBM is doing.
Bob has pointed out things that IBM does well. He has pointed out how well IBM increases profit margins by buying back shares with cheap debt despite the risk of interest rate increases. He has also indicated how much IBM has managed to reduce its overhead by laying off its US workers and replacing them with much cheaper off-shored workers and H1B visa holders.
Mark1,
.
Share buybacks increase earnings per share because there are fewer shares outstanding. I don’t believe they increase profit margins.
You are outdated for you to think IBM only has Softlayer to sell. How about you get yourself educated on IBM’s lated cloud services before you write a post like this…
Jo, please educate me on “IBM’s lated cloud services”, especially about the maturity level of the services. I must have missed something in the past 12-16 months during which the maturity level I have seen as being between 1-2.
why have you disabled user scaling in the browser for your web site. Can’t zoom in or out in mobile devices!
Google is your best friend: “Just found the setting in Chrome. If you go to Settings -> Accessibility and then tick the option “Force enable zoom” then you should be able to zoom in on any site. (I have read a few sites still manage to stop you, but the vast majority should then work).” I verified that if I untick that option, zoom is disabled, but I must have ticked it long ago since I always like as much control as possible. If you really want to enjoy reading Bob’s column, you should use a real computer. When I do that, not only can I zoom in, but when I do, the text reflows so that I don’t have to scroll horizontally. Bob’s web site is one of the few left that allow that. For others, I need to use the “readability” browser add-on.
Note that running a cloud service also provides valuable intelligence. For example Amazon can see how much Netflix spends with them, and what the trajectory is. You can also see how well various startups are doing, making predicting the future easier. This very much mirrors how good a picture Microsoft got of the PC industry during the DOS and Windows days since every manufacturer regularly told them exactly how many they sold.
Indeed. In fact, I seem to remember Bob writing about that very angle on Intel selling semi fab services.
Bigger issue that Bob has noted is that IBM is pissing off its customers in the service space.
.
in my office every second sentence starts with “If IBM were smart…” or “if IBM knew what they were doing…”.
.
Given this i reckon selling outdated and slow to implement cloud solutions is unlikely given the speed and agressiveness of the competition.
.
in saying that this may well be a short term issue.
How come Bob has such a thing for IBM? Just askin’ …
He has a thing about it because 95% of health care orgs run on IBM an 90% of financial institutions use their hardware and services. IBM can tank many companies at a time if they mess up
Chasing profit margins is a fool’s errand. First of all, any company that attains a high profit margin paints a bullseye on its own back. Second, what matters is return on investment, seen as either dividends or an increase in the value of the company. Increasing that involves reducing investment by replacing investment with borrowing, and at current interest rates, any company that doesn’t borrow all it needs and more is crazy. Investment is reduced by stock buybacks, to the point that some people are starting to worry about a stock shortage.
All that changes when interest rates rise, but for now, why worry about margins when a company can convert borrowed money @ near-zero rates to equipment. racks and then into a steady cash flow?
Re: “why worry about margins when a company can convert borrowed money @ near-zero rates to equipment. racks and then into a steady cash flow?” The answer to that question is simple. It’s easy to get steady cash flow. Put your money in the bank, buy government bonds, buy safe stocks, or invest in real-estate. People worry about margins to make sure the business is worth the risk, time, and effort involved to get more than merely “steady cash flow”. If you know how, please share. Keep I mind that steady cash flow from any business has outgoing components like utility costs, ISP services, software, rental of space to put the equipment, local, state, and Federal taxes, etc.
Adobe and IBM Interactive announced a partnership at Summit this year.
https://www.adobe.com/news-room/pressreleases/201503/031015AdobeIBMAnnounceGlobalPartnership.html
Adobe cloud products? I followed the link in the story and found.. COLD FUSION?!? Please, Bob, nobody uses Cold Fusion any more. Useful products would support PHP, Ruby, Python, or some modern language with Relational or no-SQL database management behind them.
I had the same response! ColdFusion is still around?
Welcome to 2015 gentlemen! (We’ve spelled ColdFusion without the space since 1998) CF _is_ an active and modern development platform. Adobe has been releasing regular versions since they acquired it in 2008 and there are also nice FOSS implementations like Lucee. And yes, people do still use CF. In fact, the same crowd that uses IBM (corporate, government, financial) are more likely to be using an enterprise system like CF, not open source PHP which has several TIMES the number of vulnerabilities (https://www.codersrevolution.com/blog/whos-had-more-vulns-php-java-or-coldfusion). Java is already most likely a tool of choice for enterprise shops, and CF is a JVM language that plays great with Java. Turns out, a large percentage of fortune 500 companies already use CF somewhere in their stack. Facebook, Apple, Twitter, and Nasa all use CF.
And on your list of “modern” languages, what’s laughable is that PHP and Ruby are the exact same age as CFML (1995). And Python? Much older! (1989) And pretty much any language out there (including CF) has support for relational and NoSQL databases so I’m not sure why that makes any difference.
Thank you. I have been a successful CF developer for about 13 years. It really irks me to hear the same bogus statements and condescension about ColdFusion. According to “popular wisdom”, ColdFusion has been dying for… well, at least 13 years. I have heard / read it every year since. (Not that Adobe’s lack of marketing has helped.) It is apparently the inherent nature of programmer types to badmouth and belittle all languages other than whatever “flavor of the month” is popular at the time. “Easy to use” != “a toy language.”
Good article Bob! This article should be required reading for college students.
Good day Every One.
I cant hide this great testimony that take place in my life I love
everyone to know it and be partaker that is why I always place it on
answer, I am Mrs Linda Mark by name, I live in Chattanooga,
Tennessee United State, I want to thank Mrs Loveth Smith for his
kindness upon my family life, I never knew that there is still nice
lender like this on internet and earth here. Just some days I was in
search for a loan of $ 85,000 Dollars; as I was running out of money
for feeding School fees and my bills include rent. I was scammed about
$6,200 Dollars and I decided not to involve my self in such business
again but A Friend of my introduced me to a loan firm due to my
appearance and doings. and I told her that I am not interested of any
loan deal anymore but she told me that there is still a nice lender
who she will recommend me to, and I made a trial and I am most
grateful lucky am I today, I was given a loan amount of $87,000
Dollars by this great Company (Mrs Loveth Smith loan company} managed by
Mrs Loveth Smith .If you are in need of a genuine or legit loan or
financial assistance and you can be reliable and trusted of capable of
paying back at the due time of the funds I will advice you to, contact
everyone to know it and be partaker that is why I always place it on
answer, I will advice you to, contact him via lovethsmith001@gmail.com
And you will be *CENSORED* from scams in the internet. My lovely Husband
extend is greeting to the world also if not for Mrs Loveth Smith I can’t
imagine the way life should be for my family today. Please I am begging
everyone to help me thank Mrs Loveth Smith and I will always being sharing
this great thing that happen in my life in answer everyday. You are the one
who remove me and my family out of poverty, my family extends their greeting to
you. My lovely Husband extend him greeting to the world also if not for Mrs
Loveth Smith I can’t imagine the way life should be for my family today.
Please I am begging everyone to help me thank Mrs Loveth Smith and I will
always being sharing this great thing that happen in my life in answer
everyday. You are the one who remove me and my family out of poverty, my
family extends their greeting to you.
Mrs Linda Mark
There is nothing worse than running out of money for “feeding”.
“They have to get past the mindset of billable hours (the longer something takes to accomplish the better at IBM) to actually fulfilling customer requirements.”
One wonders if they have that mindset, or a bunch of legacy billing code that can’t be changed without completely destroying the company’s ability to function. If you’re entering your time into a system that will eventually spit out an invoice, that seems to me something that is running on ancient mainframe software, at least at the core.
BTW, why is your comment system unable to separate paragraphs? The rest of the Internet can do it. Heck, they even came up with a p element now!
Another IBM article? Sigh.
Let it go, Bob. There are other technology companies out there. Why not write about them?
That question was answered by Xi (above) “He has a thing about it because 95% of health care orgs run on IBM an 90% of financial institutions use their hardware and services. IBM can tank many companies at a time if they mess up.”
How do meager profits in IBM’s cloud business damage banks and hospitals?
The “thing” that Bob seems to have about IBM is not due to just the issue mentioned in this article, but to issues discussed in numerous articles he wrote over the past decade, in addition to a book. His point being that IBM is slowly going out of business, while maintaining EPS by cutting costs. At some point the revenue will dry up due to unhappy customers, and there will be no source of funds to support anything.
I get that Bob thinks IBM is withering up. He has hit us over the head with this opinion so many times it is hard to ignore.
Since we all “get it”, why not write about something new?
Or perhaps he could tag those articles with “ANTI-IBM” so we know not to read them.
Public cloud is not a software business. It’s a SW + hardware rental business that is cannibalizing both traditional businesses.
Conn Gator
Outline solution: Leave.
Increasing that involves reducing investment by replacing investment with borrowing, and at current interest rates, any company that doesn’t borrow all it needs and more is crazy.
thanks for this useful article
Thanks for the best blog. it was very useful for me.keep sharing such ideas in the future as well. Thanks for giving me the useful information. I think I need it!
This was among the best posts and episode from your team it let me learn many new things.
Wonderful blog! This is very informative site. I am totally pleased by your excellent work. Many thanks for sharing.
Useful information.I am actual blessed to read this article.thanks for giving us this advantageous information.I acknowledge this post.and I would like bookmark this post.Thanks