Facebook, trying to be ever more like Google, announced last week that it was thinking of building a global ISP in the sky. Now this is something I’ve written about several times in the past and even predicted to some extent, so I’d like to look at what Facebook has said so far and predict what will and won’t work.
Longtime readers will know I’ve written twice before (here and here) about satellite Internet and twice about aerial Internet, too (here and here), so I’ve been thinking about this for over a decade and even ran some experiments back when I lived in Charleston. Oh, and of course I am building an electric airplane described here.
What Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg revealed are plans to work through Internet.org to implement a global network using drones and satellites. In my view drones won’t work as proposed but satellites will. I’ll explain why then offer toward the end of this column what I believe is a more plausible method of building an aerial Internet.
Drones are a bad idea for this purpose if they are expected to be solar powered and run for weeks or months without landing. Think of it this way: the best use case for solar drones is operating at the equator where there’s lots of sun and it shines precisely 12 hours each day and the worst case is operating at the poles where winter operations simply won’t work and in any case the sun (when it shines at all) isn’t as bright. If you want year-round solar-powered operations in the middle latitudes where lots of people live, then, you’ll have to design for no more than eight hours per day of good sunlight which means 16 hours per day of battery-powered flight.
Wow, this is a tough order to fill! From an engineering standpoint the challenges here look to be insurmountable with present technology.
There is very little hard information available about these overnight solar drones but it is interesting to look at Titan Aerospace, led by Microsoft and Symantec veteran Vern Raburn, to see what’s typically proposed. The smaller of the two models described on the Titan web site says the Solara 50 will have seven kilowatts of solar panels on the wings and tail surfaces with batteries in the wings. They never say but let’s guess the 50 refers to a wingspan of 50 feet (the other model is the Solara 60, which is larger but in neither case can I imagine the number refers to meters) which is a pretty big, if skinny, airframe.
If the Solara 50 generates seven kilowatts for eight hours per day with no battery losses at all (impossible) then it should be able to output for 24 hours 2333 watts or about 3.2 horsepower. Admittedly this is just an overgrown radio control glider, but it seems to me that 3.2 horsepower is too little to maintain altitude in the absence of thermal lift which is also dependent on sunshine.
Remember, too, that there’s a payload of Internet electronics that has to be operated 24/7 within that 7 kw power budget. I’m guessing if operation is at 60,000 feet that the biggest power consumer for the electronic payload will be heaters, not transmitters.
There’s no way such a vehicle could make it to 60,000 feet on its own unless they are counting on mountain wave lift, which isn’t everywhere. So I expect it will have to be carried aloft by a mother ship. Once launched at 60,000 feet with full batteries the glider will have the advantage that parasitic drag is far less at high altitudes, though (lift) induced drag is higher. Speed doesn’t matter because beyond fighting winds to stay in one spot there’s no reason to do much more than circle.
But wait! Circling itself significantly compromises the output of those solar cells since half the time they will be facing away from the sun. So maybe it doesn’t circle at all but just drifts with the jet stream and doesn’t try to maintain a station at all. This detail isn’t covered, by the way, by Zuckerberg’s manifesto. I wonder if he has thought about it?
Our best case, then, is a free drifting glider trying to maintain altitude overnight at 60,000 feet while operating its electronics package. Can it be done with 3.2 horsepower? That depends in large part on weight. To store the net positive power output of those solar cells will require a 111 KwH battery pack weighing with present Li-Ion technology about 144 kg. If the battery comprises half the weight of the drone that gives it a gross weight of 288 kg or 636.6 lbs. Now this just happens to be very near the weight of the electric Quickie I’ve been building and I calculate the minimum power to maintain level flight of that aircraft at around 3kw. Admittedly the Solara 50 flies slower than my Quickie though it is vastly larger, but then again parasitic drag matters very little at high altitudes and low speeds, the question still being is 2333 watts enough to do the job while still powering the electronics?
I say it’s iffy and iffy isn’t what you want to count on for reliable Internet service. So forget the solar-powered drones.
In contrast, a blimp augmented with solar power for station-keeping might actually work, which is probably why Google has settled on balloons for its Internet-in-the-sky. The reason why Google opted for balloons over blimps probably comes down to the power required for station-keeping. If they are just going to let it drift then a balloon is cheaper than a blimp but just as good. Score one for Google.
Satellites I think explain themselves quite well, the only problem is getting enough of them — 1000 or more — to make a reliable network. The more satellites in the constellation the better and with space costs always coming down this is definitely the way to go, though it will take several years and cubic dollars to complete.
So is there some middle ground — some way to make a cheaper more reliable Internet-in-the-Sky that can be up and running in a year or two? I think there is and I described it back in 2004:
Now — strictly because I am twisted this way — let’s take this experiment a step further. Sveasoft supports mesh networking, though with a practical limit of three hops. Aerial WiFi links of 10+ KM ought to be possible and maybe a LOT longer. The hardware cost of a WRT54GS and antenna are on the order of $100. There are, at the moment I am writing this, more than 1,000 small aircraft flying on IFR flight plans in the U.S. So for not very much money you could have a 1,000-node aerial mesh that could serve not only airborne but also terrestrial users. Triple the money, and you could put in each plane a Locustworld mesh with two radios for each node and truly robust mesh networking.
Updating this for 2014 and taking into account the interest of Facebook, I’d advise Mark Zuckerberg to put a mesh-enabled Internet access point on every one of the more than 23,000 active airliners in the world today. Most of those aircraft are in the air at least eight hours per day so at any time there would be about 8000 access points aloft, conveniently going to and from population centers while overflying remote areas. If each access point was at 30,000 feet it could serve about 120 square miles. Figuring a 50 percent signal overlap those 8000 airplanes could offer Internet service, then, to about 480,000 square miles. That’s hardly stellar coverage, I admit, and means a hybrid system with satellites and airplanes makes more sense, but it could come at zero cost (charge passengers for Internet service) and would mean that no airliner would ever again be lost at sea without being noticed or tracked.
Having read your earlier columns I’ve been thinking about this for a few years. The recent news of aerial ISP’s has reopened the subject. I have to ask — what is the objective of these efforts? What areas of the world need this technology the most? What is the problem we’re trying to solve?
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I think we’re at a point in human society where power, water, and data should be ubiquitous. Bringing data to an area where there is no power or water seems like a priority problem. Maybe we should think in terms of all three.
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While I am not a big fan of wind or solar power (too expensive for too little energy) it does have some advantages. One of them is the ability to use it to bring power to places where the electrical grid does not exist. Water — Good improvements have been made in building low cost wells and in water purification.
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In a remote village we have the means to supply the residents with safe, clean water; and a small amount of electric power. For a little extra cost we could add a mesh network access point to the Internet. With a system of well placed towers and repeaters we can provide data access to most of the remote places left on the earth.
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Now back to the original question — What is the problem we’re trying to solve? Lets face it the modern Internet has become a breeding ground of problems, annoyances, and crime. In many places in the world (and especially in the USA) the news has become garbage. Do we really want to inflict the worst in human nature on the people in the remote parts of the world?
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I can think of many noble reasons why we would want to bring data to people in remote parts of the world. There are services in the Internet that would support this goal. Can we do better? I think the good people at Facebook and Google should take a step back and think about what should be accomplished and why. How can the Internet be improved? Then lets work together and bring them all the technology the need to improve their lives.
“Now back to the original question — What is the problem we’re trying to solve? ”
The image of a malnourished villager with dysentery pleading for his phone so he can update his Facebook status popped into my mind…
Speculating as to objective/problem/solution … in the U.S., metered and throttled broadband is coming to cable and fiber just like the satellite providers do now. Metered service means less time on FB timelines and less eyeballs on ads. If FB develops their own ISP service, either specifically for FB users to get around metering or as a full-fledged, revenue-generating alternating to cable/fiber, they will get more ads to eyeballs.
Bob
“the best use case for solar drones is operating at the equator where there’s lots of sun and it shines precisely 12 hours each day and the worst case..” (snip)
The climate in the tropics is surprisingly cloudy year-round, owing to the high humidity that predominates. Regions with a savannah climate have a ‘driest’ portion of the year, with concomitantly increased sunshine during these months:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_climate
http://eesc.columbia.edu/courses/ees/climate/lectures/gen_circ/
Sunshine on the ground and sunshine when you can fly above clouds may differ greatly in availability, so maybe the equator wins after all.
I put my money on LTE like network. Even a smallish network like T-Mobile’s reaches 80% to 90% of the population at speeds that were unbelievable for wired networks just a few years ago.
Unlike mobile phones, houses don’t move very much. Even in the third world, an LTE network based in cities would cover a significant percentage of the population and be cheaper and more dependable than balloons or blimps.
I believe that’s why Dish is so interested in T-Mobile. They could use that network to offer “Triple Play” and be ready for the post channel TV world.
Have you tried to use T-Mobile outside cities? It’s not very pleasant. Just this weekend pings were in the 2000-8000ms range, when I got a ping back. Most apps wouldn’t work at all.
Not sure I understand how satellites can ever be effective given their (comparatively) long latency:
Geostationary Satellite >500ms
Ethernet .3ms
Analog Modem 100-200ms
ISDN 15-30ms
DSL/Cable 10-20ms
DS1/T1 2-5ms
If, under the best of circumstances, you’re introducing a 0.5 second delay, how does real-time communication (VOIP being the obvious example) work?
Aren’t phone calls routed via satellite today?
I doubt it. If they were, there would be a long latency such as when a TV news station talks to a correspondent on the other side of the earth. They are using satellite. It may be possible to set up a network of low earth orbiting satalites to reduce the latency. Perhaps that is where the drones/airplanes come in since they fly much lower, reducing latency.
Apparently satellites have been involved: https://www.telcomhistory.org/vm/scienceLongDistance.shtml but that article doesn’t discuss latency.
I’ve used VOIP over satellite for work for a long time – there is latency but it doesn’t interfere much with conversation.
Generally, phone calls are routed via fiber today. Geostationary satellite would only be used for reaching unwired places. There is an existing satellite phone network – Iridium. It uses a fleet of low-flying satellites rather than higher geostationary ones.
I believe the vast majority of telephone traffic is routed through undersea fibre optics.
I believe Facebook’s satellite network is in Low Earth Orbit (LEO) less than 1,000 miles above the Earth, not 22,300 miles. LEO networks have suitably low latency AND lower power requirements.
Because of “60 Minutes” interview with him last night, I guess I’m thinking about Elon Musk. His two big focuses right now: lighter batteries (for the Tesla) and sending rockets into space (satellites). From what Bob wrote here, it looks like the intersection for aerial Internet is somewhere in the middle of Musk’s portfolio.
Drones won’t work, but Facebook could buy Artemis Wireless? Now that would be fun to watch.
It’s just a diversion to distract investors away from the fact that they spent 19 billion on WhatApp and nothing more. Can you see a Facebook drone flying over West Monroe, Louisiana? The Duck Commander boys will shoot that thing down in a heart beat – & I will, too!
The LAST THING I WANT in this universe is some un-manned gyrocopter pinging me to “Friend” somebody. It’s a bigger waste of money than digital toilet paper.
It’s time to short the stock in a BIG WAY!!!!
Bob’s back of the envelope calculations clearly prove that the QinetiQ Zephyr’s 336 hour, 22 minute (14 days) solar-powered flight in 2010 was a hoax. And that was with a mere 73-foot wingspan. If you think big, you will follow NASA’s Helios drone, whose 247-foot wingspan took it above 96,000 feet as long ago as 2001.
Zuckerberg undoubtedly has better data about his potential global customer base than 10 minutes of Googling can identify, but it only takes a look at a globe (or Google Earth) to notice that Indonesia (population 250 million) is located exactly on the equator, that half of India (400 million people?) is south of the Tropic of Cancer (22.5 degrees North) and that Rio de Janiero and Sao Paulo are right on the Tropic of Capricorn (22.5 degrees South). Population of Brazil, 200 million people. The back of my envelope says that there are another billion potential Facebook customers in regions where the sun angle is enough to make solar powered aerial relays worthwhile. That’s enough to justify a significant investment in the technology.
I sense a little hostility here, Dean. I have no problem with a 53 kg UAV flying for two weeks but I don’t think it is up to the task of routing thousands of Internet connections at the same time. That’s the problem with these designs — payload.
IIRC, in Dean Ing’s books the solar-powered pirate radio transmitters operated at a higher altitude during the day, slowly drifting down at night, then back up to a target altitude during the day.
If that’s truly possible I wonder if the battery load could be greatly reduced.
Yup – store the energy as gravitational potential and save weight on batteries.
Glad to see that the electric plane project is still ongoing. I was thinking that your life got so busy that you just weren’t going to get the plane built. Also great to see you posting frequently again.
I wonder if some hybrid of plane and streamlined blimp technology can’t reduce to energy requirements, and include surface for mounting additional solar cells that will see the sun even low on the horizon. is the additional brightness of the sun at the stratosphere included in your calculation of power input?
For the option of balloons drifting with the jet stream, it seems unlikely that China (or several other countries) will allow any balloon that is providing access to the uncensored internet to fly over its territory for very long.
Hi Bob,
This is what I read on Titan Aerospace home page :
“Solara 50, 50 meter atmospheric satellite”
Would they be using meters rather than feet ?
Best from Paris, and thank you for your columns,
B
Why not helium filled blimp drones? Then lift isn’t a problem, and you can slather both sides with solar cells.
Gogo Inflight charges $14 a day, so I don’t think an aircraft-based will be cost effective. 😉
Regarding solar power, loiter time and station-keeping, I agree that some kind of blimp is the way to go.
Finally, I must remind Mr. Cringely of Clarke’s First Law “When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.”
Gogo *charges* $14/day. It doesn’t cost that much to provide.
Who needs solar for a drone based net?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stationary_High_Altitude_Relay_Platform
On a related note, I’ve often wondered why no scrappy young startup has tried to build out mesh networking for info sharing between aircraft.
Most (by a HUGE margin) general aviation aircraft don’t have weather radar, but they *do* have great radio line-of-sight to other planes, many of which would have a good path to a backhaul ground station. Why not push weather info (automatic PIREPs?), location updates, TFR/NOTAMs, etc. between planes and, from some “supernode” planes to/from the ground?
The closest thing I’ve seen (though I haven’t looked into it extensively) is a subscription weather service using satellite reception from Sirius/XM. It seems that there’s a wealth of realtime info that the aviation community is missing out on.
Somebody please tell me I’m crazy on that so I can stop thinking about it. 🙂
@K A while back I worked on an FAA system (ERIDS) that disseminated NOTAMs and PIREPs throughout the enroute portion of the air traffic control system. So, if this will help you to get your mind off the subject :), all that information should be available to pilots through their friendly air traffic controller.
One assumption Bob is making is that the drone only hangs out in the same general location all day, and can’t fly a full day without charging. I don’t know if the speed of these drones are fast enough, but it seems to me that, conceivably, the drones could spend a lot more of their time where the sun is (and where there is higher internet demand), and do shorter flyovers over the dark areas. If you had enough of these drones making these loops, you would always have some drone covering all the dark areas, with many more hanging out in the sun charging. For instance, in the higher latitudes, the drone could fly slowly (and against the earth’s rotation) through the sunny side of the earth, then quickly through the dark side, maybe even flying with the earth’s rotation to make that time shorter. It might be possible to design loops into lower latitudes to increase the charge times. Depending on the battery storage, maybe it will spend many days in a positive net charging route, then only a few days in a negative net charge route, or maybe even spend a whole day in the dark. Perhaps the speed, current battery densities, and motor efficiencies make this impossible, but possibilities should at least be considered.
Something that bugs me about Bob’s figures. If his battery pack can hold 111 KwH and his motors use 3 Kw, then it appears to me that the drone can fly over 35 hours without any sun. Is there something I’m missing? One thing that I also can’t discern is whether the range increases with fewer batteries (due to less load) or increases with more batteries (due to more capacity). Presumably one would optimize the trade-off.
BTW- If 7Kw panels are producing with full sunlight for 16 hours and the motors are draining 3 Kw, then that leaves a net of 4Kw over that 16 hours, which only comes to 64 KwH that needs to be stored to cover the best case of production over a day. Any more is just reserve storage.
You’d also have to figure in power budget of the networking payload, but I’d expect that to be small compared to engine power needs.
Might also be powered independently of engine system, I guess.
Good to read about such developments – Bob at his best!
I like the idea of using a mesh of existing aircraft to build a network BUT don’t buy the drone idea in any form.
Apart from the technical difficulties Bob examines in detail, which may or may not be surmountable, the simple fact is drones will be vulnerable to all manner of hostility whether aimed directly at them or as consequence of other actions, and is a deal breaker.
Yes, there are incredible advantages to countries if the system can be made to work but one kid with a catapult (metaphorical) could bring it down and hold a population to ransome.
I wonder what Mark Zuckerburg is upto? I mean, Independence Salute to him!! Facebook with its marvelous depth of social networking has already leaded the world to enormous connectivity among people.
Thereafter arrives Oculus in the field of Virtual Reality Headsets, where the Credit goes to Facebook. After which a giant announcement by Zuckerburg on behalf of Facebook for beaming internet through drones, laser and low altitude satellites to third world is like Smart-Cyclone of revolution in technology field, an honor with applause
to you for diverting our focus towards Mark Zuckerburg.
Just put the nodes in the roads and nationalize it.
Think streetlamps.
Oh, and you already have the legality of the infrastructure worked out. In your case everything from right-of-way to liabiliity–when invariably what goes up must come down–screws the plan. You also have the power grid to operate it in place. You also have… yeah… everything. No, more than everything, because if you do something new..aerial zeppelin wifi…then you find new problems that you could never have anticipated. But if you add a minor thing to an existing structure (node on a lamp) then you don’t have this as much. You go into this Golly Gee Wiz techo world of theoretical gizmo’s when you KNOW unforseeable problems kill almost all of these.
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Streetlamps
Drones have a coverage advantage over satellites as that they’re not providing high speed connections to fish 70% of the time.
How much are takeoffs and landings an issue with regards to power usage? If there is only 8 hours available of sunlight, couldn’t they just triple the number of carriers?
What’s the status of the IBM book Bob?
Ex-IBMer here dying to read it.
Just checked Amazon, no dice.
I keep thinking about the question “What is the problem we’re trying to solve?”
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Social networking received a lot of attention during the Egyptian Revolution, the Libyan Revolution, the Syrian Revolution, and now the elections in Turkey. During these events the government tried to cut off Internet communications. I wonder if one intent is to develop drones that can provide Internet access to areas being censored by a government. How practical is this idea, really? If you were the president of a troubled country fighting off a revolution. How long would those drones last in your air space?
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One of the lessons learned from the recent revolutions is over throwing a government is easier than forming a new and better government. One of the problems with modern communications is it has hurt concepts like patience and trust. It is easier to be against something than to compromise with others to make something better. Take a look at the US Congress! Modern communications has hurt facts and truth too. Anyone can say anything, no matter how incorrect to further their position. Bringing tainted information to a troubled nation doesn’t help much.
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We really need to start talking to each other. I am tired of the fact I can no longer communicate with my elected officials. They are too isolated. The only way I can reach them is through an expensive fund raising event. And why do they have to spend so much time at fund raising events?
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I’d be happier if the people at Google, Facebook, Twitter, and Yahoo would take a serious look at what is right and what is wrong with Internet communications, and come up with some ways to make it better.
Re: “What is the problem we’re trying to solve?” The cable/telco duopoly. Aside from the monopoly situation, both services favor their-own vs. internet versions of TV programming. To them, making internet access better is a conflict of interest.
“it seems to me that 3.2 horsepower is too little to maintain altitude in the absence of thermal lift”. Bob mentions there in passing what the solution might be – thermals.
https://www.economist.com/news/technology-quarterly/21572927-unmanned-gliders-powered-drones-are-old-hat-latest-robot-aircraft-are-wafted
“mesh network” = “beowulf cluster”* of the 2010’s
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*See the comments on almost every story on Slashdot when it was in its prime.
I swear I’m not trying to play devil’s advocate here, but I have to raise the question:
Given that there are 7 billion people in the world and 6 billion cell phones….and that even in the furthest backwater impoverished areas of the world, there are plenty of people running around with smart phones (the U.N. says there are far more cell phones in the world than toilets)…
….and given that eventually the majority of these phones will provide mobile broadband service so that, in the not-very-distant future, villagers in even very far remote places will be surfing the internet on their phones..
…..why is it we need to try to put planes and balloons in the air full time to provide internet service around the world? The world-wide internet access “problem” is being solved by the cellular network providers around the world, surely sooner and more reliably than any philanthropic pie-in-the-sky plan to launch and manage a done/balloon based Wi-Fi access point network to cover the entire Earth.
Am I missing something here?
Yes, the point is to bypass the censored internets being put in place by despotic regimes. Handing over ICANN to the UN makes things worse.
@MikeN: Putting the technical issue aside for a millisecond, I understand the greater good and worthwhile cause of a baloon/drone based network to bypass government-sponsered censorng, if that was the only way to do it, but from what I’ve been reading lately, its seems that most citizens of these repressive regimes are ALREADY able to fairly easily bypass any government-attempted censorship of their unlimited internet access….there’s no shortage of circumvention tools…proxies, peer-to-peer exchanges, tunneling, SabzProxy, and a whole bunch of technologies well above my pay grade to understand or even know of. My understanding though is that these are in use in Iran, China, and certainly Turkey, where the government was so unsuccessful in attempting to censor their citizens’ internet access that they gave up trying after two weeks (admittedly for a number of reasons).
@BillH: I guess it does make sense from a cost issue, but doesn’t that simply change it from a philanthropic quest to a business venture?
Anyway, didn’t mean to get too far off the topic of how feasible drones (or balloons) are to provide this service, I’m just still a bit skeptical of what absolute advantage it would provide over more traditional provider methodologies. Perhaps a topic for another thread sometime…..
Yes,Ken, I think you are missing that many undeveloped countries have very little internet backbone routes, and rather sparse cellular coverage for the sort of broadband internet experience that we have become accustomed to in the US – even those of us with Comcast. A drone at 90,000 ft elevation with an antenna angle of say 45 degrees from vertical coveres a circle 34 miles in diameter with little drop off in signal level. Broaden that antenna angle and the area gets larger pretty quickly. Include meshing with a couple other units and you have the equivalent of a lot if fiber buried alongside roads, and without all the ‘last mile’ copper network tendrils. That’s a big savings in terrestrial hardware.
On the other hand, this system will be operated either by a government entity, or permitted by the government controlling the airspace, so it’s users will still be subject to censoring. Those in border regions might have free access to drones in their neighbor’s airspace though, such as parts of Syria near Turkey. I think it will be more difficult politically than technically in most of the underdeveloped parts of the world.
You’re making me think of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Helios. I seem to recall it climbing by day and accepting an altitude loss at night. It could even search for thermals by day. It’s only software.
Robert,
it’s not Titan Aerospace but the people behind QinetiQ Zephyr. While Zephyr has a credible track record, Titan looks to me questionable.
Concerning some data look at http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.402.4056 . Note, the wing loading is wrong is should be 1/0.119.
Where’s that IBM book?
Legal issues.
I noticed that many post comments about the technical viability of such a system. It no longer surprises me with what engineers are able to come up with. The actual kW yield of solar panels, blimps vs. balloons vs solar aircraft vs. satellites — maybe a combination of all of them.
At the end of the day, I think it comes down to what you can monetize. A better mousetrap isn’t necessarily a money maker and few if any people are so giving that they’d fund an open-ended “Internet for all” without some level of monetary return. Maybe there’s some humanity-level stuff where internet access doesn’t exist for people who live so far away from the rest of humanity, that it’d be nice to have Internet access. But, companies like Google and Facebook live on advertising revenue. Whether it’s a family who decides to build a compound in the middle of Montana or a tribe in the middle of Africa — What exactly would the advertising be for these companies?
I think overall, it’s good that people, if not entire companies, are thinking about this. Maybe at some point, there’ll be some ultra-cheap way or at least a monetary-neutral way of providing Internet access to everyone on the planet. But, people invest in companies because they want a return on their investment. Without that, I don’t think it matters how good your mousetrap is.
“At the end of the day, I think it comes down to what you can monetize.” That’s so true and obvious that engineers don’t think it needs to be mentioned. Before you can monetize something you need it’s cost, and to determine that you need to discuss available technological implementations.
The glide ratio of a high-aspect winged drone could be four or five times that of a Quickie. The specific power requirement shrinks in the same proportion. Add climbing (potential gravitational energy) as storage and the airframe side of the project starts to look feasible.
Google has just bought drone company Titan Aerospace, which Facebook had its eyes on.
https://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/388201/google-buys-drone-firm-for-internet-by-air
So does this mean that google also does not know what they are doing in regards to drones?
O3b launches their next batch of middle earth orbit satellites next month. With a successful launch they will initiate commercial service that offers broadband low latency connectivity. Their market focus is cellular back haul which should be a winner. Their main problem is the cost of the remote earth station…it requires two tracking VSATs (1.8 or 2.4 m) antennas coming in at over$100k . Kymeta, a Seattle company is working on a meta material flat planar array antenna that could conceivably drop the price for a 2 way VSAT to under $25 k. BTW voice traffic used to be carried over all of the Intelsat satellites for years and with the right spoofing appliance voice and SAS apps run well over geosynchronous birds with virtually no noticeable QoS issues.
What does the “spoofing appliance” do?
What about latency?
Most communication is really one way. When you talk about phone conversations, latency just makes the other person seem stupid. (my point was obvious didn’t he get it?). I have worked with satellite voice links and in the past companies would economize by combining terrestrial eastbound and satellite westbound links so that the round trip latency is cut in half. Today codecs use less bandwidth and fiber is more available, satellite used for voice is not as common as it was.
Today latency does not seem to be that important to service suppliers. Each digital relay causes delay. A plain vanilla cell phone call has a lot of delay. If you have never been in the same room with another member in a conference call (conference call software causes even more delay), you would be amazed by how long your voice took to come out of the other conference call phones. Get on a conference call with people in the US and Europe and on cell phones and conversation can be noticeably difficult but it still works.
If you are on a call and the other person always seems to be interrupting you or the other person seems to take an inordinate amount of time to get your point, that’s latency but the protocol still works fine.
Latency only really matters when you are trying to control time sensitive data that is changing. You send a correction but the data has already changed. Like games and remote control. Most of the time buffering for error correction is more important than latency and people just don’t really notice the extra delay.
Bob, I hope you come back to this subject and speculate on how AT&T announcement today could relate. Should or Would the Honeywell hardware likely be able to form the aerial mesh using LTE?
“There are, at the moment I am writing this, more than 1,000 small aircraft flying on IFR flight plans in the U.S. ”
Not if the moment is ~3AM. As take off hours are restricted, the number of flying aircraft collapses late at night.