This is my third and (I hope) last column in a series on education. If things work as planned this is where I’ll make some broad generalizations that piss-off a lot of people, incite a small riot in the comments section, after which we’ll all feel better and switch to discussing the Facebook IPO. So let’s get to it. I believe that education is broken in the U.S. and probably everywhere else, that it is incapable of fixing itself, and our only significant hope is to be found in the wisdom of Sharon Osbourne.
These conclusions are based on my experiences as a teacher, a parent, on the content of those two previous columns, one visit to OzzFest, and on my having this week read a couple books:
The Learning Edge: what technology can do to educate all children, by Alan Bain and Mark E. Weston.
Teaching Minds: How Cognitive Science Can Save Our Schools, by Roger Schank.
The first book was a pain to read as academic books often are. It’s like the writers think that making their work harder to read will make it be taken more seriously. So to save you the pain I’ll give you the short version: 1) computers haven’t helped much, if at all, in education despite our spending $8.6 billion per year on them just for schools; 2) they don’t work because teachers won’t use them and administrators don’t know how they should be used; 3) there is, however, a body of research beginning in the 1970s that says (that proves the authors maintain) it is possible to shift student performance (whatever that means — they never really explain) by two standard deviations in the good direction; 4) alas, this technique is too labor intensive to be practical, and 5) the authors have figured out how by using cool software a single teacher can achieve that two-sigma objective for an entire class.
These authors, one of whom works for Dell, talk a good game but their argument doesn’t work for me. They illustrate how poorly we use computers in education and why (it puts too much of a burden on the teachers who don’t really want computers and therefore don’t use them much), but the authors then lay out an entirely new way of doing things that is an even bigger burden on teachers, though the authors say it isn’t.
I say if it looks like a burden it probably is a burden, and even if it isn’t actually a burden nobody is going to stick around long enough to find that out just because it looks so bad going in. Worse still, there isn’t a single example in the book where the needle is actually shown to move more than 0.58 standard deviations, much less 2.0.
If this stuff works, then give examples that show it working.
But that’s not the worst of it. They spend several pages describing how an expert teacher at an elite private school uses these techniques to teach an elegant course in projectile motion — a course that is defined in the first sentence as being five weeks long. This teacher is a rock star and really has his mojo working, but there are two conditions that are left completely uncovered in the example — both conditions that I have experienced vicariously through my son Cole, age seven.
Condition #1 — Cole gets bored after the second week. This is a second grader who is reading on an 8th grade level. Keeping him focused after he’s run through it a few times is almost impossible. Yes, you can make him a tutor or a helper or even the teacher, but five weeks? Yet only by taking five weeks is all that laborious curriculum and software development justified for the teacher or the school.
Condition #2 — At some point in the elegant presentation, another child in the class grabs Cole by the crotch, or spits in his face, or humps him from behind, or calls him any number of hearty Anglo-Saxon slang terms we don’t allow in our house. A day or an hour pass and then it happens again — same child, same actions. It’s hard to put on a good show when the theater is burning down.
You might think condition #2 is rare but it has occurred (and continues to occur) in the classrooms of two out of my three sons. Yes, we’ve been to see the Principal. This is a good public school with well intentioned teachers and administration, but the district doesn’t believe in taking disruptive children out of regular classes unless they are proved to consistently (dozens of times) act in a manner that physically endangers their schoolmates. None of those actions I described are considered dangerous, though they contribute to Cole’s reluctance many days to go to school.
Computers have nothing to do with this, but the graceful works of computer-assisted academic art described by Bain and Weston won’t survive such outbursts. Theirs is a Utopian vision and Utopia isn’t anywhere near Santa Rosa.
But my greatest criticism of this approach is that — even if it worked — it takes too long to accomplish anything. Yes, teachers don’t like computers, so we have to somehow replace teachers who don’t with teachers who do and that’s going to take, what, 20 years? Education researchers can think 20 years in the future but I’m fixated on next year. No make that this year.
In this sense I, as a parent, approach the problem like any modern CEO would, thinking a quarter or a year ahead and looking for measurable improvements in that time.
The second book was better written and a lot more fun. The gist of it is this: school is bunk so stop teaching information and instead teach skills and how to learn. This is coming from a pretty famous professor of computer science, mind you, who admits that he hates teaching almost as much as he hated being a student.
Teach skills not stuff is an interesting idea. We teach stuff (information) because it is easy to test, not because it is more useful to know. If you look at the work of Sal Khan at the Khan Academy, his screencasts are all about how to do something. When my kids are learning how to do something, they can be entirely engaged for hours, even the five year old.
Many kids watch Khan lessons for fun. And Sal, quite wisely, gives no tests.
My conclusion, then, is that schools serve a limited social and cultural function but our kids mainly learn despite them. My own experience is that I learned a lot about learning from half a dozen teachers in my life, so those relationships are both rare and essential. But are they reliable enough to even justify modern schools? I don’t know. What I do know is that if I want to improve the educational environment for my children in the next year or two, I’ll probably have to come up with my own solutions.
Which brings me to Sharon Osbourne, wife of Ozzie. Sharon has, not surprisingly, a couple troubled kids in Jack and Kelly. Both have been in rehab, both dropped out of high school, yet both appear to have landed with successful careers. I’m sure it helps some to have wealthy parents. But I think Jack and Kelly have actually done better than we might expect given the raw materials they are built from.
I think Sharon very consciously two-sigma’d her kids right into their current lives.
The 1970s education research that showed a two-sigma improvement was even possible was conducted by a guy named Benjamin Bloom and the technique that worked was individual instruction. One teacher per student led consistently to a two-sigma improvement.
What educators have tried to do ever since is to find a way to achieve the two-sigma without requiring the one-to-one ratio. Sharon Osbourne, on the other hand, simply created in her own way that one-to-one relationship for her children.
Watch old episodes of The Osbournes on Hulu and you’ll notice the kids are never alone. There is always a friend — slightly older, definitely smarter, and marginally cooler — for each kid. Over the course of several episodes it becomes clear that these aren’t friends at all but employees functioning in the role of friend.
We’re about at the point where technology, best exemplified by Apple’s Siri digital assistant, can go quite a way toward providing through electrons much of what Sharon Osbourne bought for her kids with blood and treasure. Imagine a device, a Bluetooth friend in the cloud with whom your kid could converse, ask questions, laugh, be monitored and advised.
“I’m sorry, Dave, but you’ve had too many beers, I can’t let you start the car…”
It’s not a substitute for school but a whole new category of educational device. It’s not a person, it’s both better and worse. It would work in my kids‘ interest but for me. And I know my kids, at least, would embrace it. Heck, Fallon (age five) carries with him much of the time a stuffed killer whale toy named Fifi.
Time to teach Fifi to talk.
I’ve read the previous 3 posts, and MOST of their comments, but I don’t recall seeing anything about Finland, a country that according to The Smithsonian magazine ( https://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/Why-Are-Finlands-Schools-Successful.html ), has turned its educational system around. So It seems it IS possible, but it takes will power to turn things around – something lacking in this country.
American schools would be as successful as Finland schools have become if all we needed to teach our children was how to filet a fish. If you were to spend any real time with your average finnish family I believe you would find there is a much higher instance of a backhand to the face than in the US. Think of what the parents, who’s children are faux-raping Bob’s son in class, are doing to curb their child’s behavior? They’re sure as hell not forcing them to chop wood till their fingers bleed then being sent to bed without supper. No fermented shark for you, Billy! Maybe that’s why there doing better- that high-fish diet. Who said there was a problem with education anyway? I don’t know ONE person who would stand up and say “my child isn’t being properly educated!”.The only people who have a problem with it are number crunchers in Washington and others responsible for “collecting funds” for education. Is it really willpower that is lacking, and if so, who is lacking it? Not me. Not my kid. Is it you and your kid? I happen to know ten dozen kids that are very successful in school, including my two, and they don’t even like fish.
Wow, I hope you intended that as some kind of humor – you couldn’t have serious intent in such a totally fabricated response, right? It wouldn’t be possible for anyone smart enough to read this blog to be so totally misinformed, woud it?
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/13/education/from-finland-an-intriguing-school-reform-model.html?scp=1&sq=finland%20education&st=cse
“I don’t know ONE person who would stand up and say “my child isn’t being properly educated!”.”
Have you read Bob’s posts? He’s standing up and saying so. Specifically he’s saying his son Cole isn’t being properly educated.
Well, I’ll say it too. My son wasn’t being properly educated but it ebbed and flowed depending on his teacher. The most recent and egregious example was just a few years ago. He had a math teacher who used up class time talking about her hobbies. If someone asked a question or expressed confusion on how to solve an equation, she’d name call and insult them. One time, her homework assignment culminated in a picture of a boy being beaten to a bloody pulp. (with each correct answer, you’d fill in a grid revealing a picture at the end but the resulting picture was very inappropriate). Luckily, I had a good back-up. My niece is a math teacher and she came over once a week to go over that week’s lessons. My son got straight A’s in that class but he never learned a thing from the teacher; it was all from his tutor. I always felt sorry for those students in her class whose parents couldn’t or wouldn’t hire a tutor. In cases like this, I really don’t understand why students can’t fill out year-end evaluations but at his school, the students are only able to evaluate student teachers. Currently my son has straight As and is taking all AP classes. His current crop of teachers is stellar but my advice to anyone whose child is having trouble at school; don’t let them languish with a bad teacher; tutor on the side or take them to after school classes to keep their interests up until they can move on to a better teacher. Perhaps even have them transferred to a different teacher’s class if that’s possible.
My son is not being properly educated.
What he is, is a bargaining chip used by the public school system to ask for MORE MONEY. Money which will be spent in shapes and ways about which mere mortals are not allowed to know.
I recommend reading John Taylor Gatto to anyone who will listen.
Bob doesn’t need to because he’s already there. School does exactly what its designed to do. And it it NOT designed to educate little Johnny. It is designed to create jobs for people who can function inside fascist and tyrannical systems.
My 14 year old son is in the 8th Grade. He can read and somewhat comprehend anything you put in front of him. What he cannot do is follow the instructions of people for whom he has no respect. School is a training ground to make us more obedient to our faceless masters.
Fermented shark, hákarl, is from Iceland not Finland.
Dan Kurt
“American schools would be as successful as Finland schools have become if all we needed to teach our children was how to filet a fish.”
Who are you, Gordon Shumway? Do you really live in a world where only Americans are real and the rest of us are just shadowpuppets?
Thank God you’re just the cliche that proves the rule and not the reality of America, or the world would be in big trouble.
“Gordon Shumway” is better known as A.L.F, the puppet Alien Life Form of sitcom fame.
He’s just another troll, flinging some random nonsense out there, hoping you’ll take the bait.
Not serious. Pay it no mind.
Your knowledge of Finland derives from a US education I guess. Grammar too.
Egad
“paying slightly smarter slightly cooler kids to be their friends”
I do not want to pay for educating idiots!
“a device, a Bluetooth friend in the cloud with whom your kid could converse, ask questions, laugh, be monitored and advised.”
Congratulations, Bob, you’ve re-invented the Young Lady’s Illustrated Primer from Neal Stephenson’s 1995 science fiction novel The Diamond Age.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diamond_Age
I came here to make this very same comment.
Bob, if you’ve not read that book – you should.
Besides fun and interesting, it is provocative.
I Always Do What Teddy Says
Harry Harrison circa 1965
>>Even after he began classes he kept teddy around and talked to him while he did his homework.
“How much is seven and five, teddy?” The furry toy bear rolled its eyes and clapped stubby paws. “Davy knows . . . shouldn’t ask teddy what Davy knows . . .” “Sure I know – I just wanted to see if you did. The answer is thirteen.” “Davy . . . the answer is twelve . . . you better study harder Davy . . . that’s what teddy says . . .” “Fooled you!” Davy laughed. “Made you tell me the answer!” He was finding ways to get around the robot controls, permanently fixed to answer the question of a younger child. <<
See more text here:
https://www.deviantart.com/print/22207864/
Steve Jobs in an interview circa 1984
https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/06/steve-jobs-1984-access-magazine-interview.html
"I’ve always thought it would be really wonderful to have a little box, a sort of slate that you could carry along with you. You’d get one of these things maybe when you were 10 years old, and somehow you’d turn it on and it would say, you know, “Where am I?” And you’d somehow tell it you were in California and it would say, “Oh, who are you?”
“My name’s Steven.”
“Really? How old are you?”
“I’m 10.”
“What are we doing here?”
“Well, we’re in recess and we have to go back to class.”
“What’s class?”
You’d start to teach it about yourself. And it would just keep storing all this information about you and maybe it would recognize that every Friday afternoon you like to do something special, and maybe you’d like it to help you with this routine. So about the third time it asks you: “Well, would you like me to do this for you every Friday?” You say, “Yes,” and before long it becomes an incredibly powerful helper. It goes with you everywhere you go. It knows most of the raw information in your life that you’d like to keep, but then starts to make connections between things, and one day when you’re 18 and you’ve just split up with your girlfriend it says: “You know, Steve, the same thing has happened three times in a row.”
BTW – Steve Jobs would have been 10 years old in 1965.
Duh duh DUH! When “Teddy” was first published.
>> “Teddy . . . oh, teddy . . . you should have told me,” David said and dropped the gun and at last was crying. <<
Harry Harrison (still with us at 86! Woo!) always rocks it (I’ve always wondered why The Stainless Steel Rat was never optioned for the movies!). I’ve always been fascinated by the “escapist” tendency to think about problems 50 years in advance (some escape!).
Sure, the idea of a world where technology can achieve optimal teaching is tempting. As someone who was reading at a college level by third grade and making my teachers nuts by running rings around a dumbed down curriculum in the ’70’s, all the while being tormented by other students who did everything they could to make public schools a living hell for me, such a world seems like nirvana.
But there are drawbacks. And a longer term risk. I seem to recall one story by Asimov where the teaching machines stop working one day, and everyone goes mental at the prospect of trying to figure things out without their help. Another story, also by Isaac, had a group of children reverse engineering mathematics because no one had bothered teaching it for so long due to the ubiquity of calculators.
The counter argument to the idea we could lose some fundamental training by relying on “teaching machines” is that there are far fewer people today who need to memorize those particular skills. Remember, there was a time when you needed to know how to care and feed a horse, milk a cow, tend chickens, and so forth, as part of the general knowledge you were expected to have to function from day to day. Since most of us no longer “need” that information to get through the day, we rely more on “experts” to do it for us and only learn such things almost accidentally. The same argument could be made that memorizing multiplications tables is no longer an effective use of teaching time as calculators make such knowledge unnecessary.
I should be clear that I don’t agree with the idea that we DON’T teach math — for one, you can’t use a calculator until you know what addition, subtraction, division and multiplication IS. However, as the wealth and sum total of human knowledge keeps expanding at almost exponential rates, you have to wonder how we can prepare, for example, my own 6 year old daughter to deal with the future.
We do. it’s called Google.
I agree with just about everything you say but .. I would say you need to move one level on from the teach skills not information idea to the teach concepts not skills or information. I have just written an article that explains the idea wrt programming but the idea generalizes:
Teach Concepts Not Just Code
https://www.i-programmer.info/professional-programmer/i-programmer/3681-teach-concepts-not-just-code.html
The most important example of the problem is the math situation. Every time anyone says we have got to do something about math the response is to start talking about arithmetic. Math is not arithmetic and you can do math without being able to do mental arithmetic. If I want arithmetic doing I can buy a 50 cent calculator but math is different.
Why do we always return to arithmetic when the need is to teach math?
Mostly its because it is what has always been done and partly its because its is the only thing the teachers can teach. And guess what this is self perpetuating – teachers who think arithmetic is math produce more teachers who think the same way….
There’s one problem with leaving arithmetic to punching a calculator. Its called Error Detection. Simply put, if the user has no idea of approximately what the answer should be, how will they ever know that they mis-keyed a number or used the calculator wrong?
There’s an almost lost skill that helps spot errors. It is called round number calculation. Those of us old enough to have used log tables and slide rules know it well, because we needed to do round number calculations in order to work out where the decimal point should go, but in fact its a simple and very useful skill. In a nutshell: work the problem mentally or on paper but wth all numbers, including intermediate results, rounded to single digit accuracy. This gives a good approximation to the correct result. Compare that with what the calculator says and you’ll quickly and easily see if you used it wrong or if the bill is incorrect.
This is a technique I’d very much like to see taught alongside arithmetic. There are very few people who would not benefit from knowing it.
Yes I’d agree but then I’d say that estimation is about concepts not arithmetic as such. Once you have taught the idea of estimating the result even the estimate can be done using a calculator as a check. I’m a dyslexic/disnumerate methematical physicist and I’ve always been impressed by colleagues who can estimate in their heads but I need and always will need a calculator to do the same job.
when I was in school in the U.K. in the 60s, Arithmetic and Mathematics
were different classes. We somehow lost that discrimination.
Even more, Arithmetic only went as far as 4th Grade (US 11th Grade I guess).
You were very lucky – at my school the fact I couldn’t do mental arithmetic marked me out as a no-hoper. Much later I discovered that being able to do math has very little to do with being able to do mental arithmetic. One of the residual problems is that because of the “good you can do arithmetic so you must be a mathematician” response from teachers is that many of the mathematicians that I meet are also convinced that arithmetic ability is essential for math and they even promote the idea that teaching it would produces more mathematicians (probably true but not efficient).
But the key point is that this is just an example of a general mechanism. Teachers find memory tasks and skills easier to teach than concepts because they lack the concepts – being a product of the same system.
Duh.
Schools introduce kids to a wide range of stuff including society and people they don’t like. Dealing with people they don’t like is right up there with the best things they could learn in school. You and your kid suck at it.
You need to call that kids dad and say you’ll help teach him and his kid math and computers if he and his kid will teach you and your kid basic social skills.
You won’t and you’ll both stay ignorant.
Trouble is, schools don’t allow healthy and functional responses to inappropriate behaviors. In the workplace, assaultive behavior is dealt with better than in schools. In general life, you can choose not to associate with inappropriate people, but in school you are not allowed to move your seat without teacher approval (which doesn’t come, because the teacher knows that the problem will continue with whoever gets that seat next). And if you respond to violence with self defense, BOTH kids get suspended/expelled. IN short, normal social skills are prohibited in public schools.
Specifically, what are the basic social skills they are lacking?
Really? You’re lecturing someone on social skills? Bwahahahah!
Thanks for the laugh!
“Many kids watch Khan lessons for fun. And Sal, quite wisely, gives no tests.”
Yes he does:
https://www.khanacademy.org/exercisedashboard
he’s quite clever about how he does it:
“Even before I made the videos, I started writing simple Javascript problem generators so that my cousins would never run out of practice problems. I wanted to know when and how they were doing the problems, so I added a database to track usage. 100 modules and thousands of lines of code later (much of which has made the software adaptive), it has morphed into the adaptive assessment exercises on our site.” — https://www.khanacademy.org/about/faq
even down to how they assess when a student had mastered an exercise:
http://david-hu.com/2011/11/02/how-khan-academy-is-using-machine-learning-to-assess-student-mastery.html
Now, next thing. Computers … useful skill …. dealing with others, a broad knowledge of the classics and all other aspects of the 19th century ‘liberal education’ … probably much more important than computers…..
But that isn’t the main thing about school, and where it fails and where we should intervene. School (especially mildly functional public school) is able to bring a huge amount of exposure of knowledge and skills at a shallow level efficiently (reading, writing, art, literature, history, science). Kid gets to see where he has particular strengths and weaknesses.
Then, and this is where schools fail, there should be the simplest engineering process of teach, assess, redress. But schools never take the time to identify and ameliorate poor performance on the test. Japanese students do this in private tutoring (cram school).
My kid’s got a tutor and taking classes at the community college, and we’ve always had ‘enrichment activities’ using computers.
There’s apps for that. I wrote them. Some on the website.
http://www.nerdpocalypse.net (Japanese language)
I totally agree with tutors and after school enrichment activities and I’ve done both for my kids. I also wanted to mention that I’ve approached school as the “job” that my kids have. The more they excel, the bigger their reward. I pay them on a sliding scale for each grade they get. It’s good incentive but it doesn’t always have to be about money, perhaps a treat at the end of each quarter or the chance for them to pick the next family vacation spot on the globe.
so what about the kids whose parents can’t afford , or have the time tutor them
swan about ‘the globe’ on vacation?
Are they just to be abandoned?
I get what you’re saying and I’m sorry if I sounded out of touch. I only said globe because the readership on this blog, or any blog for that matter, is global and I didn’t want to just speak to the people in my own small location. There are great places to visit that are very near and often they can come with a history lesson (i.e., if you visit a fort or a battle field or an older city with lots of unique architecture). Bottom line, I was only trying to be creative and think of ways to inspire children. It doesn’t take money to be creative. I remember when my oldest son was reading The Mouse and the Motorcycle; I made a little mouse made of felt and stuffing and my husband made a tiny helmet cut from a table tennis ball. We bought a tiny motorcycle from a dollar store. When my youngest was little (about 3), he loved Peter Pan and Captain Hook and crocodiles. My husband made a hook for him made from paper mache so that his hand was hidden inside the hook. He wore a superman cape that his aunt made and my black boots which didn’t fit him but you couldn’t take them away. He’d run around the house with his cape and hook and my boots shouting “Argh!” at everyone. They loved bedtime stories or made-up stories like the one about our cat having super human powers and I always changed the endings so they never knew what to expect. We only had to use a tutor one year when my youngest had a horrible math teacher. It was tough financially but math is something that you have to know sequentially so to us, it was worth it. I didn’t want the legacy of that rotten teacher to be my son’s math downfall. Today he’s in AP Calculus and getting straight A’s and has an excellent teacher. That wouldn’t have happened if we’d let him languish in math two years earlier. It’s been my experience that kids thrive when they know that what means a lot to them, means a lot to you. One more thing. I remember reading something by Isaac Asimov years ago about time and how its meaning changes the older we get. When a person is young, something that occurs has a lot more meaning than the events that occur when we’re older. To a child, being bullied or having to endure a harmful school environment weighs on them inversely with their life experiences. Since they as yet have little in the way of life experiences and time on this planet so far, the events of their childhood may appear outsized. We may know that it’s only 9 months, to a child, the school year may seem like an eternity. We may know that “this too shall pass”, but they don’t.
So, the answer (for now) is to make sure your kids have cool, intelligent friends?
In two months I’ll turn 58 and complete a Masters Degree in Educational Psychology.
My passions lie at the intersection of Educational Psychology, Neuroscience, and Technology. Within the Ed Psych academic establishment, as I’ve been exposed to it at one state university, I’m very much the outlier because my own approach is pretty consistent with what you’ve expressed in these past three columns.
The problem, and therefore the solution, is not injecting technology into the current system of education. The problem is the mindset that has created this current system.
Q: If we were starting from scratch, would we design what we have now? Of course not.
We would acknowledge:
1) the failings of the current system;
2) the possibilties that digital connectivity now provides, and may provide in the future;
3) the availability of non-classroom learning opportunities such as you mentioned with Kahn Academy, distance learning offerings like the recent Stanford course;
4) kids, and adults for that matter, are natural learners so the educational system needs to focus on guiding that learning toward learning how to learn, as you noted, in accordance to what we most currently understand about how the brain works (vs. the decades-old received educational psychology dogma that, for no fault of their own, was based on the brain-as-black-box premise that still pervades the ed psych literature);
In my view, we are long overdue for a disruption of the educational system/mindset on the order of how Amazon disrupted how books are sold and delivered and Apple disrupted how music is sold and delivered. Technology is the enabler, not the provider, of that scale of disruption. The disruption starts with challenging the conventional thinking. Think different – way different.
Thanks for shaking the tree.
p.s. I’m SO glad the Sharon was Osbourne and not Angle.
p.p.s. Were any of your not-Silicon-Valley-entrepreneurs working toward disrupting education?
https://www.oprah.com/own-oprahs-next-chapter/How-George-Lucas-Is-a-Teacher-Video
I’m very familiar with George Lucas’s work in education. My old boss at PBS, Cindy Johanson, now runs the George Lucas Educational Foundation at Skywalker Ranch.
Steve’s question for Bob: p.p.s. Were any of your not-Silicon-Valley-entrepreneurs working toward disrupting education?
Charles’ reply to Steve: Yes, my startup was on a new way to train people how to enhance their personal empowerment (see above website).
However, Bob’s Startup contest seems to have been abandoned.
You might be interested in what we are doing with WebSonar. We will soon be able to index and then display the text portions of iBooks to any browser. We also own the schoollibraries.net domain that we are making available as a a free distributed framework that anyone can use to share education resources right down to the personal library level. I believe that Apple will drop the price of the current iBook to under $300.00 when they launch the new version. These two factors could facilitate the connection between the willing learner and the best educators bypassing the problems.
Speaking as a guy who writes for a living, how do you handle the rights issues implied in your business?
You’re on the right track, Bob. In my district, “Mass Customized Learning” is the new buzzword(s?), and our education committee has completely bought into the philosophy touted by a book called “Inevitable”, which, despite having the feel of a business self-help book, has some good ideas. The goal: give kids the opportunity to learn at their own pace, and allow technology to do that.
The problem, though, is that there is very little technology out there to allow this. The textbook companies can do more than just publish new digital editions of their books for iBooks, they can create complete systems that adapt to the learning speeds of kids, especially for the more “knowledge” based subjects.
Then, once they have the knowledge, we teachers can spend our time working on skills, and it’s so much easier to differentiate skill-training than content-presentation. As it stands, education is too big, administrators are too old, and teachers are too overworked to make any whole scale change in their model.
Think the education system in your neighborhood is broken? You should see the debacle they call education in Texas. They spend the entire day teaching the Taks test. Too bad they’ll never see this, nobody in the education system reads blogs. To do so they would have to use a computer and few, if any of them, can get over their fear of technology to do so!
This has been a great series of posts, thanks for spending the time writing it. I, and our son, feel your pain.
p. 553-4, Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson
(recounting a May 2011 conversation between Bill Gates and Steve Jobs at Jobs’ home)
“Jobs asked some questions about education, and Gates sketched out his vision of what schools in the future would be like, with students watching lectures and video lessons on their own while using the classroom time for discussions and problem solving. They agreed that computers had, so far, made surprisingly little impact on schools – far less than on other realms of society such as media and medicine and law. For that to change, Gates said, computers and mobile devices would have to focus on delivering more personalized lessons and providing motivational feedback.”
You missed two things that are huge hinderences to effective education. I am a 3rd party observer to both as my wife is a middle-school teacher. I am also a parent of 2 girls, one in middle, the other in high school.
Hinderance 1: Parents. When I was a kid, I was sent to school with the creedo, “If you’re in trouble at school, you’re in trouble at home.” They went to every parent event. When I did poorly in 8th grade, they bought me my own textbook so I “couldn’t” forget it. My wife can usually tell after the 1st invite to parents to visit, who will do well (the kids whose parents show up) and those who won’t (most of the rest). Parent involvement gets you the 2nd grader reading on an 8th level; not the most talented teacher nor the most elegant software will facilitate this today.
Hinderance 2: The State: The lessons my wife (and all other teachers) must present are set out by state bureaucrats, right down to having to quote the requirement on any pages provided the students. The teachers are so busy fulfilling the requirements of the law (for if your test scores don’t go up every year, teachers face consequences, principals face consequences and BOEs don’t like consequences) they get precious little time to teach anything other than the pre-determined lessons. That kills creativity and in turn, motivation. The average teacher career is now all of 5 years long. They burn out and flee; to make more money for less hassle.
There was a reason the boomers and before got good educations. Teachers were royalty of the classroom, allowed to teach creatively because the kids knew there were consequences to poor behavior and performance. And the payoff for taking a pittance of compensation was that they were revered and respected. Now they are treated like “grocery clerks, sent to collect a bill” to quote an infamous fictional colonel.
You’ve made a couple of very important points. Thank you for bringing this forward.
As a public school administrator, I’d like to also point out that our hands are also tied increasingly by state and federal requirements – like the ones still demanding paper – not electronic – textbooks for each child, and the concept of tenure makes it hard to get some to improve their students’ learning.
I think the issue lies in the whole sociology of public schooling: the fact that the origins were in Jeffersonian ideals of an educated populace creating a stronger democracy, later morphed into creating an educated workforce, and after WWII, to create a holding tank (high school) so that the men returning from war would have jobs. It is very hard to undo something with roots that deep – thus Tyack’s (out of Stanford) argument that you can’t disrupt the system enough to make real change – you can only tinker with it.
I will say that what I see in the best classrooms in my district – “best” meaning the kids are engaged, like to be there, and most of all, are learning – is quite different from what I experienced in the 60’s as a student. So things HAVE changed… and no, we don’t use a lot of technology in my district, though we do use it. What we have is a commitment among faculty to teach children to LEARN and THINK and a supportive parent community. We also are very serious about not letting kids get away with the kind of stuff Bob’s 2nd grader is experiencing. The sad thing is that I end up having to explain to the parents of the miscreant why it is not OK to (fill in the blank) and deal with the multitude of excuses for the behavior.
As for individualized education, that would be fantastic – for those whose parents could provide it, so long as they also were cognizant of the social and other needs of their child. But what about parents who can’t afford it? And what about the democratic ideals of a relatively classless society and the ideal of “anyone can be president”?? That takes us back to Jefferson’s concepts of public schools as training grounds for democracy.
Back to individualized education, the way schools are funded (or not funded as in CA) and regulated keeps us from doing anything like that, and the reality of a pda being able to orchestrate an education in absence of an adult (programmer, teacher, benign dictator (sorry)) is a grand pipe dream in the current economic, political and societal milieu. I am increasingly disillusioned with the work I do because of the ever increasing paperwork I am doing for the government to prove that we are “accountable” and “in compliance.”
Bottom line: keep public schools, drastically reduce the amount of federal and state mandates and rules about schooling, return them to more local control, provide reliable funding, and encourage schools to REALLY innovate. You might be surprised at how many teachers could effectively do just that.
I hated school. I especially hated those disruptive people in class, I had the same experience as Cole is having now. I manged to get at least one of those bullies kicked out, but not until after he attacked me in class.
Without a doubt my grades were lower than they could have been.
After school I went to college. What a difference that made! Allowed me to go to university, and eventually finished up with a Ph.D.
Bob, well done on this series. Thank you.
I can recommend reading
http://stumpteacher.blogspot.com/2011/03/innovation-day-2011.html
and
http://stumpteacher.blogspot.com/2011/02/i-resign-from-teaching.html
for new hope for the education system and inspiration on what can be done inside the system to improve teaching of our kids.
Josh Stumpenhorst has been a great inspiration for me
Much of what you have discussed in this series gives substantial credence to home education as an alternative to the public school system. While it may not be feasible for all it does offer individualized instruction, low teacher – pupil ratios, and protection from the antagonistic peers.
Yeah, that Facebook IPO… The upcoming article should be an interesting read, looking forward to it; in fact I am taking bets – comments will be in the 120-140 range, see how I am faring with my predictions :-).
I haven’t done any modelling so far for this site on the correlation between the number of comments vs. content keywords, author reputation, number of readers, etc., it’s just my gut feeling… 🙂 But we’ll find out, soon enough
Looking forward to it.
Hey Bob,
Would you mind writing a bit on how you (yourself, wife, etc.) helped Cole develop his reading ability? I’m sure that his natural talent & inclination were there.
I’d like to do more to help/encourage my son (7 – first grade), who likes books well enough, but doesn’t seem as inclined to be big reader as I was.
Sorry to hear about the Condition#2, I hope you get that worked out soon, I’d like to hear if you find a clever resolution. Here in NJ, they passed a recent “anti-bullying” law, and I think a parent would get a lot of attention from the school administration if he/she just said the magic word “bully”. I’m skeptical on how much good these laws can do, though.
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David
For my daughter (5th grade), while she can read and has excellent comprehension (we include her in discussions with adults and explain terms as we go), she hasn’t taken off with reading, like wife and I did when we were children (devouring books to exclusion of all else). What finally got her going, to where she’d sneak a flashlight into bed to keep reading, were comic books and then Star Wars encyclopedias.
I introduced her to a couple web comics around third grade (Girl Genius and Gunnerkrig Court) and then started buying the paper versions for her so she could read them away from our computers. 4th grade, I took her to a comic book store and she got into Star Wars, the Simpsons, and Young Justice comic books. From there, she got into Star Wars movies and tv show (the Clone Wars) and then started checking out all the Star Wars info books she could find. Thanks to the deep world building in Star Wars universe, she got the hang of reading informational stuff and then reading the Star Wars novels (started out with 70’s era Han Solo stuff I still had lying around).
She’s even recognized how easy it is this year to read her history book as it also tells stories like the Star Wars stuff does. She still likes comic books and graphical novels but also likes how she can make up her own pictures when she reads regular books. Hope this helps.
Thanks for being brave and thinking outside the box Robert. It’s going to take ideas like that to get us out of the hole we are in and compete with the world. Keep it up 🙂
Bob, all good thoughts and reflections.
With 35 years in public education as a psychologist/administrator I have seen how poorly we tried to implement technology and why this would make older teachers reluctant to embrace technology, too few machines, computer labs that required moving the kids to a room for too short of of a stint at their use, faddish approaches to how to use computers, and/or too little and inferior professional development.
The end game ala Sharon Osbourne is one on one teaching and learning.
A book on my to be read list is Disrupting Class by Claytoni Christensen. It supposedly drills down to offer a road map, not a silver bullet, on how to move the ball forward in a meaningful way.
And one new edu-fad that might really hold transitional promise is a practice referred to as “the flipped classroom” which basically reverses the lecture during the day and clueless use of homework such that students use technology to process the content of a class at home and the school day to DO stuff with help from teachers, other students – a variation on project based, active learning.
So maybe there is some reasons to b hopeful.
Flipping makes sense if there are good materials to support it. I have a reader who is the IT guy at the Sonoma Country Day School and they use it quite successfully in math through a subscription service called IXL that is integrated with Khan content.
I worked for an Apple distributer in the SE US for a time which worked exclusively with schools, so I got to see first hand what teachers were doing (and wanted to be doing) with computers.
I was astounded that most of the teachers I talked with were of the opinion that computers should be “doing the teaching.” Many computer labs and in-room machines were set up to run interactive tutorials.
This ran counter to my thinking. I always saw computers, as “Bicycles for the Mind,” as Steve Jobs would say. In other words, as tools to help you write, present, calculate, research, … think.
Using a computer as a robotic teacher seemed so limiting to me. But most teachers I talked to never considered simply teaching students “real world” computer skills that would help them “leverage” their thinking “mechanics.”
In my view, computers shouldn’t replace teachers, they should replace slide rules, school books, media centers, copying machines, tests, etc..
Many people, and especially teachers, forget that the “P” in PC stands for personal.
Our education system was designed over 100 years ago to produce factory workers. There are not a lot of factory workers in the US today.
One big problem with education is that it’s not designed around how our brains actually work. The brain is associative so you have to teach new things based on what the student already knows and first make sure he/she gets why it’s important. And I don’t mean “You’ll need this stuff when you grow up.” They student has to be able to apply the information right now. That’s not easy to do but it can be done.
And I agree that people are natural learners and in general, want to learn. The environment needs to play to that desire.
There’s a great TED talk on the state of our educational system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY
“student has to be able to apply the information right now”. That’s the purpose of tests, grades, and the threat of having to do courses over.
Bob, I’d love a follow up on what tools you are using to augment your children’s education. Seems there are many available on the web but few with definitive measures of success.
It’s a shame to knock teachers as hating computers. I’d argue that one should first look at the software available in the educational market. If there isn’t good material available, then choosing not use it shows wisdom. My wife is a retired teacher who uses a computer regularly and adopted it early (Mac+). She looked hard for good software and couldn’t find it – admittedly a few years ago now. She did use the few that seemed reasonable in the way that added to her core approach. I suggest that she (and her colleagues in similar situations) shouldn’t be labeled as haters.
I’m just reporting what the researchers say to be the case. I’m sure you are correct, too. As long as the tool is too hard to use for whatever reason it won’t be used.
Some one asked me once why my kids are so smart, and how he could do the same. I told him to be Jewish like I am. If he didn’t want to be Jewish, being Vietnamese is also good, or maybe Jordanian.
I explained it this way: One day my son came home from school with his report card, and I was not happy with it and chewed him out. My wife looked at the report card and asked me why was I so upset, it was a pretty good report card — many As with a few Bs. I told her that he got Bs in Math and Science, and those are suppose to be his best topics. I would understand a B in English, a topic that he can struggle in, but Math and Science? I expect that he can do better than that.
Why Vietnamese? I had a Vietnamese coworkers whose 7th grade daughter didn’t make it into pre-Calculus. My coworker went to the principal, convinced him to let her daughter take the pre-calculus course, and then got a tutor to help her daughter.
I asked her if her daughter is so good in Math that she should be in pre-calc. She told me that, no Math isn’t her daughter’s best subject, but she’s smart enough that if she put in the effort, she should be able to do pre-calc. Her daughter got an A in calculus.
I also had a Jordanian coworker who had a son in High School. At 4pm everyday, she would call her house, make sure her son was home from school, and was doing his homework. Her son was able to get an academic scholarship in a fairly good college. She told me that Jordanians all want their sons to grow up to be either doctors or lawyers. (I though that sounded somewhat familiar).
I have long ago figured out that it doesn’t make a difference if the school is a good school or a bad school if you don’t get the parents interested in their kids education and dedicate their lives to it.
There’s no TV in our bedroom or the kids rooms. We read a lot, and we’ve encouraged our kids to read. When our kids had a book report, we too would read the book. This wasn’t something we just did in the 2nd grade, but also when the kids were in the 11th and 12th grade. When my kids asked about the meaning of a word, I didn’t tell them to “look it up”. I looked it up with them. We then discussed the word, related words, and the etymology of the word. I did this because I too wanted to know. If my kids ask me a question, I make it into a research project, even if I already knew the quick answer.
I am sure this is not unique to your blog audience. The point is that if you want your kids to learn, you not only tell them that learning is important. You show them that learning is important to you, and that it is important for its own sake.
After that, schools are merely a tool. If you have a good school and good teachers, that’s just so much better. And, your kids can still benefit even if your school isn’t a top flight institution or if your teachers aren’t exactly up to Mr. Chips caliber. Your kids are going to learn and excel even if it sometimes seems that’s against school policy.
I get your point. On 9/11 I was scheduled to speak to eighth graders in Pleasanton, CA. A decade later I’m still in touch with that teacher and he was quick to point out the other day that parents are the key factor in the academic success of their kids. Toward that end my wife last year spent 20 hours per week in the school and continues to volunteer extensively this year. My time is harder to commit in such amounts but I’m there more than most dads. Going further, my work isn’t that much different from school in the eyes of my kids. I’m always doing homework and writing a paper or presentation of some sort. Communicating ideas feeds us and my kids know that.
If your wife spent 20 hours a week last year volunteering at your sons’ school you’ve got most of the school week already covered. Why don’t you keep your sons at home and start building that boat you talked about? It’s amazing how much can be learned, and how fun it can be, if we’d just do stuff together that matters to us.
http://newsreel.org/video/RACE-THE-POWER-OF-AN-ILLUSION
Just to point out the obvious…it’s the parents’ involvement not heritage that counts.
By the way, I’ve been involved in schools, and since I’m a computer person, I’ve been asked how best to use computers in school. My contention has always been that these are merely tools, and you can’t know what tools you need until you know what’s the job at hand.
This isn’t to say that technology has no place in the classroom. I’ve trained teachers to use Twitter to stay connected to their students. If a student has a question, they can tweet their teacher for help. I’ve taught teachers how to setup a Facebook page, so their kids can collaborate on homework. I’ve setup blogs for the teachers, so they can keep the parents informed what’s going on in the class. I’ve taught teachers how to use email, and stay connected with parents. Sometimes, I have to fight school policy, and sometimes I have to get past the reluctance of teachers.
If you’re asking “How can we use technology in the classroom”, you’re asking the wrong question. The correct question is “What can we do to help encourage our kids love learning?” Only once you’ve asked that question, can you ask about the possible tools you can use to help.
As Bill Joy says, computers are good for hefting and carrying.
And you’ve played right into the hands of those faceless masters by helping children be monitored and surveilled and having no privacy or opportunity to just sit and daydream.
“What can we do to help encourage our kids love learning?” I would phrase it differently. “We need to help kids see a connection between learning and succeding in life.” I have never loved to learn except in my chosen hobbies. Most learning is difficult, painful, and time consuming. Motivation is more important than love.
Bob, Have you considered home schooling your kids? You will be able to spend even more time with them that way. And you’re a professionally trained teacher, are you not? Also, in the course (pun intended) of teaching them, you may discover a brilliant way to improve the education system. Home schooled children have their own social networks, so you won’t deprive your children of social interaction. I’ve met a number of home schooled kids and they all seem very smart and well rounded individuals. My bet is you’ve considered it, but rejected it for some reason you choose not to disclose (which is is okay since you deserve your privacy just like anyone else…)
We’ve considered that and may try it in the future. But I most definitely am NOT a professionally trained teacher. Oh I taught for a living for much of a decade and even won some awards for that work. I’m a good teacher. But I’m not a good teacher because I was professionally trained. Nothing against training, but I’m not exactly the most trainable guy around. Fortunately I’m a quick study. That was especially necessary at Stanford, where I taught for six years and my classroom work was NEVER ONCE observed or evaluated other than through student surveys. That’s the peril of research universities which tend to rely on garbage-in, garbage-out for success. If you accept only seven percent of undergraduate applicants, its pretty easy to select for apparent teachability.
I second the home schooling solution. Being a pro teacher is about 5th on the list or desired skills. Being there, one on one, eliminating the social harassment, going on field trips, and many more are the keys. A kid can start a project and continue as long as their interest is there – not be stopped short by the bell. That bell is destructive to motivation.
We had no plans to home school our one and only. But in the 1st grade he ran into the normal negatives at school – and the twinkle in his eyes started to fade – and he started not wanting to go to school. We went full action – talked to the school folks – sought alternatives and decided on home school. My wife quit her job, and we started. Each year for 7 years he made the decision – home or the formal school – and choose home. In two hours a day, one on one, you can accomplish as much as they do in 5 or 6 hours of school. Socially, we discovered many other home schoolers for field trips and common special tutored classes – such as language. Life was a blast. My computer consulting allowed me to schedule for many special activities. The kid is now 27 and the owner of his own business. Robert, check out the stats on home schoolers – and who the famous ones are and what they say about it. Just outstanding.
Well, I guess my family’s lucky. We have a single child (5th grade) and while both wife and I work, grandma is down the road. We’re also a family that has always done things: crafts, cooking, building, etc. Never thought about it until now but we’re keeping daughter around people who know how to do things and are good at teaching. My mom has taught her various baking and building trades (mom is major DIY’er; just finished replacing kitchen cabinets herself (with my daughter’s help) as well as put in a large brick patio before winter). There’s also various music lessons, 4H, Girl Scouts, and Lego Robotics. In each of these extracurriculars, wife and I take part somehow and work with her outside of these things as well. And then there’s our craft business we do ourselves. Sure, we don’t go out much, we only socialize with other parents but man, this is fun!
But it does seem to take 2+ adults as well as a small community of like minded parents to make this work. For single parents working 2 or 3 jobs, with multiple kids (my upbringing), I don’t know. I was lucky I liked to read and do research on my own. And I still almost flunked out of school (bored to tears, picked on, etc.). Don’t really know what the answer is but if some kind of AI type of device could help kids, well, I’d like to find a way to send one back in time to the late ’70’s.
Sharon Osbourne hooked her kids up with real people, not talking devices. Too bad we can’t focus on using technology to make edcuational infrastructure more efficient and use any resources gained to add more teachers, assistants and others who can interact with students. I bet an assistant in classes standing in the back could cut down on the dry humping and maybe help channel that misguided energy in a better direction….
Well said! Talking devices will not show love and concern. Learning is not just about the delivery of knowledge, it’s about context and civilization of the individual. The device, no matter how cute, does not in and of itself, motivate the learner the way that the dedicated interaction with someone who shows genuine care does. Siri is a wonderful tool, but even she acknowledges that she doesn’t love you; she respects you.
A few thoughts,
1. There are many flaws with the way the state tests are designed and used, but we still need some kind of useful data we can compare and use to figure out if student are learning and if schools are doing their jobs. Teachers should not be evaluated solely on test scores from these state tests, but they should be used in some way to evaluate the work the school is doing. Just as many if not more schools were crummy before testing became the norm. And I think teacher “creativity” is overated, or at least is difficult to usefully define.
2. What outcomes do we actually want here? Do we want to build a workforce specifically tailored to the current or foreseeable economic future? Do we want a nation of citizens grounded in our nations history and culture? Do we want to separate students at some point that are not likely to be on the college track and train them in useful trades? I think most people would answer, all of the above and then add a few more. We complain incessantly about our schools and how they need to be fixed, but everyone has a different vision of the desired outcome. We should sort out what we want first.
3. Stop blaming teachers and teacher unions for everything. Teacher unions can be a hindrance to reform sometimes, but their influence is vastly overstated. And parents and the general public are more culpable for the problems schools face than teacher unions. The research, as I understand it, consistently points to the teacher as a critical element if not THE critical element. We need to hold them accountable for sure, but if you want better teachers, then you need to think about pay, work enviroment, and other incentives before you hate on them.
4. If you want better schools, you cannot lowball them. Demand better outcomes and better teachers whatever that means to you certainly. But don’t tell me you think schools suck and then vote for people and parties that kill school budgets and pay for low taxes by draining schools of resources. Great schools will be expensive. Its a public good and worth doing. So be ready to crack open your checkbook if you are serious about this.
Yours is the first comment I’ve read that mentions teacher unions. I certainly didn’t mention them.
Frankly I don’t care about any of this stuff (the ability to measure and duplicate results) because I have no interest in educating a workforce, just three boys. I think the best use of my energy is concentrating on them while sharing the experience so others can benefit if they choose.
I think there were comments in the previous columns about unions. This was in connection with the inability to fire bad teachers.
I wish there was a system in place where my kids could hire the best teachers in the world. I envision them choosing / interviewing a good number of master teachers and finding the one that they can connect with all through their computer. These master teachers would be paid according to the number of students that they serve as well as the quality of education taking place. I’m not talking about the typical online classes but a much better digital learning experience. There are teachers spread all around this country that are worth over $100,000 per year and if there was some system available that would leverage them, education could be transformed.
There are thousands of lectures available now on the web for free, so what you want is already available. What we don’t do is integrate it into programs leading to certifications or diplomas. My son Cole has watched hundreds of hours of videos about doing magic tricks. It’s out there. We just have to decide whether we want ot be great magicians or get degrees in magic.
This will probably get lost in the sea of comments, but I have to say it anyway… I could not agree *more* with the statement you made about the second book: “The gist of it is this: school is bunk so stop teaching information and instead teach skills and how to learn.”
I tripped over this myself, accidentally, while in college. In my computer science/engineering courses that would have labs (circuit design, OS programming, etc.) I would spend much more time doing the *labs* than I would do studying for the midterm and final, even though every logical assumption should be that I should be studying as the tests were worth much, much more percentage wise to my grade than the final.
But the tests are about knowledge/memorization, where as the labs are about *learning* – how to build things. And that hurt me in my grade perhaps, but it sure set me up well in my actual job. Seriously, you don’t memorize an recite in day to day life as an engineer, you *build* things.
I notice this with my son, as well. He hates doing the math problems, or reading for the purpose of taking an AR test, but doing some research so he can present some topic in front of his class (they call it “Tell Us Something Interesting”) He *loves* that. The idea of learning how to do something (and in most jobs, we have times where we have to present something to a group) is much more valuable in the long term, and that creates a desire to learn.
I think teachers are in a real, real tough bind. Too many kids, too many tests, too little leeway about how to do their job. It exacerbates problems they may already have (such as a fear of technology). If you are responsible for making sure your school’s math test scores are at a certain level to ensure Federal funding, are you going to spent a massive amount of hours learning a technology that may or may not work, or double down on what you know how to do that has been shown to work.
I agree. Much of the problem comes down to adapting an ancient institution to a modern world. You could, in theory, turn a Model T into a Ferrari, but sometimes it’s better to start from scratch. Established institutions with power structures are resistant to that.
Agreed, but the interesting question is… what is the established institution here? The easy politician answer is that it is the schools with their “school boards” and “local bureaucrats”, but I would argue it is Washington, DC, Since at least the Soviet Sputnik scare (and maybe earlier), the answer from the feds is teach this, teach that, and test, test, test. And if there are still problems, test some more, and then when you are done, test again. And then “here is this expensive computer (now, tablet), use it”.
As an organization (state school boards, local teachers) if you are constantly pushed (governors/presidents/congress), the natural response is to push back… regardless of who is right.
I think there are plenty of problems in the education environment, but I find it interesting that every Tom, Dick, and Harry, regardless of educational background or vocational training, thinks they know how to “solve” education. We don’t ask grocery store clerks how to design a CPU, we don’t have computer programmers determine cardiovascular surgical procedures… why is it we think anybody but educators can alter education?
Maybe because the folks that run the education system may not actual be professional teachers. So why should we trust their policies and programs?
Maybe because we can see the fruit of their “efforts” and KNOW that it is well under-par?
And everyone who grew up in the school system knows lots of teachers: they sat in those classes and saw the teachers at their best and worst. People don’t get to have that kind of relationship with surgeons, computer designers, lawyers, etc, growing up unless they are family or close family friends. But everyone gets to see teachers. It makes a big difference in the perception of their “professional” ability.
Hmm … what do I say … what do I not say? I have spent 64 years doing something that people keep calling “teaching”. Which is a fantasy. No one teaches any one anything; people learn! So 98% of what one reads, or hears or sees about schooling is plain jibberish. Mr.X, you need to talk to the Drs/Professors Johnsons (brothers) at the University of Minnesota to “learn” how to facilitate learning. 98% of people “teaching” simply do not understand how people learn best in a class room setting; simply do understand how to facilitate learning! That’s what this game is all about. It’s all about the so-called teacher – the facilitaor – being at the back of the classroom – not at the front. Google the brothers; anyone can learn how to enable learning (yes it’s all about being a good facilitaor!)
should be …”simply do NOT understand how to facilitate learning!” 😉
I’ll check it out immediately, thanks.
A lot of teaching is getting out of the way. I used to teach people how to fly and noticed over time that about 85 percent of my students were ready to solo after 60 takeoffs and landings. After the first few flights my job was mainly to keep them from killing us both on their way to that magic number 60 where it all suddenly made sense. I’ve seen that effect in many educational settings.
For the past 24 years, I have been teaching inexperienced women and men how to design, engineer and then actually build their own affordable energy efficient, healthy, custom home. The workshop, is unique in many ways. I orginated the 9 day long workshop 24 years ago – it’s called “The Knack Of Home Construction”. During those 9 days, people learn everything they need to know: design, engineering, quantity surveying, project management, as well as how to actually do all the electrical, all the plumbing, foundation construction, framing, all types of flooring installation, all types of wall and ceiling finishing, door and window installat, all types of roofing, exterior finishing, energy efficient heating/cooling systems, septics and wells etc. etc. etc. More than 5000 folks went through the workshop during those 24 years – in classes as large as fifty. They all leave the workshops and build custom homes that go way beyond the building codes while saving 25% to 50% on construction costs. One grad even won an award for his home – awarded by the regional professional home builders association. Most teachers (and others) tell me that what i do is impossible … “IT CAN’T BE DONE!” One nationally investigative type TV show (a consumers protection type series) actually came down to investigate whether my workshop was real or not. They videotaped during the 9 days of the workshop and then went out and videotaped houses that had been built by the grads of The Knack. As a result of the investigative piece being aired nationally, 600 folks registered for my workshops! Not one school board, not one ccollege responded to the TV program! Yes, I know people have to go to college for several years just to cover one trade; so it’s impossible to cover all trades in 9 days – but I do it (actually I did it – retired now.) Yes I also helped people learn to downhill ski in one hour. And yes I learned how land a plane after a total of one hour flying (and no classroom time.) The point of my rant above is not that I know so much; it’s that the vast majority of “teachers” know so little (when it comes to learning.) p.s. market research I did showed that people who came to my workshops did not use books to learn from – I am assume they wouldn’t use iPads either.
Harry – congratulations for your teaching success!
But please consider that your classes were hand-picked – be the students themselves! This is a world apart from public schools which have to accept everyone. And the MTV culture where it is OK to goof off the whole day and give everyone else the finger makes those classes impossible to teach to. If we could only kick out the miscreants, or force their parents to actually educate their brats themselves in civil values, then schools would not be such a mess.
This is similar to the Humboldt ideal of an University: Teaching only the few who are burning inside for the topic and reduce sleeping time to study more make it work. Keeping this university structure but then requiring 50% of the population to get a grade makes it a royal mess. As can be witnessed in most European universities.
Actually, a lot of people believe that it’s diet that sometimes causes poor behavior, lack of attention, allergies, etc. I’m reading a lot by Joel Fuhrman right now and it’s eye opening how much food plays a role in every aspect of life.
Harry – congratulations for your teaching success!
But please consider that your classes were hand-picked – by the students themselves! This is a world apart from public schools which have to accept everyone. And the MTV culture where it is OK to goof off the whole day and give everyone else the finger makes those classes impossible to teach to. If we could only kick out the miscreants, or force their parents to actually educate their brats themselves in civil values, then schools would not be such a mess.
This is similar to the Humboldt ideal of an University: Teaching only the few who are burning inside for the topic and reduce sleeping time to study more make it work. Keeping this university structure but then requiring 50% of the population to get a grade makes it a royal mess. As can be witnessed in most European universities.
“Math class is hard” – Barbi
REAL learning is difficult and takes sustained application. Americans are addicted to the shortcut, the quick fix, the three easy steps, the pill for that. The pursuit of the easy way out has made America great, but is not a basis for education.
We have to accept that the first priority is to buckle down and work hard.
If a teacher can “teach to the test”, there is something wrong with the test.
I worked with a teacher who graded on perceived effort. If the student worked really, really hard and improved over time he/she would get a better grade than another student who mastered the material easily. That represented to me back in the 70’s most of what was bad about education — its dislocation from life’s realities. I’m not saying that education needs to be easy, but it works a lot better if it is at least fun. What you describe isn’t fun.
Learning should not have to be plain hard work. It is better to spend a morning (and some time at home) having a young class discover pi than by just telling them and having them work out boring exercises. This can be done by measuring round tables and other objects in the school (remember homework) to collect their data on diameter and circumference and the next day learning how a spread sheet works and adding their data. When children see the similar results of the circumferences when divided by their diameters they are encouraged to figure out what’s up. They touch heads with the ancients and discover why π was eventually more efficient than awkwardly having to measure a circumference.
There was a nice column in Linux Journal this month about Moodle, http://moodle.org/ an open source web application for schools. It is good software, but basically does lesson plans, communications and quizzes. Good, but hardly a revolution.
Much of what I see going on in our schools ties back to money. If the teachers don’t teach for the standard state test, and tow the line, no funding. It perverts how the class room gets run.
I think you forget the platinum rule, “follow the money”. 8.6 Billion on tech. As the parent/consumer you care if it works for your kids. As the buyer and seller, they don’t. If it does help, great, but if the software is overpriced crap, well, the company made money, and budgets were managed, and jobs were kept.
PS, my son is like Cole, 2nd grader, reading like a 6th. Books like Harry Potter, his parents were murdered and he now has an evil mad wizard trying to kill him, are not exactly what we think he should read, yet. He is bored with the schoolastic picture books, and we are running out of Magic School Bus and A-Z Mysteries. What do you find for him to read?
There is literally nothing on Cole’s reading level in his school library, which makes you wonder how they can even test him, but they did, which is why I can say with confidence it is grade 8. Right now he’s reading The Hobbit. Not much better than Harry Potter, but Cole loved hearing about the time I met Tolkein at a New College faculty party and he was drunk on his ass.
Depends on the kid’s taste… I really enjoyed Heinlein’s juveniles (google those 2 words). I’m sure they’re dated, but entertaining reads, IMHO.
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Don’t they have Gifted & Talented Programs for kids like your son Cole? I was reading the Hobbit and Watership Down and books like that in second grade (1974-75) and they had me leave class for a little while each day to meet up with a group of other kids who were doing academic things beyond their grade level….
Sad when in the midst of bragging about his child the father has to do an abrupt halt to brag about himself. The child is lost.
Ender’s Game by Orson Scott Card
This column reminded me of the hilarious and thought-provoking TEDTalk by Sir Ken Robinson on how schools kill creativity:
https://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html
Outstanding reference.
I agree that Bob’s primary interest should be finding the best educational situation for his kids, but we all need our public school system to work. In 40 years, your doctor, lawyer, mechanic, ambulance driver, or whomever, will almost certainly be a product of that system. I hope they will be able to do more than spout standardized answers.
Schools did better when they were segregated. Not because they were segregated but because of the attitudes towards education. There were segregated schools in New York City doing better than many white schools. The issue is parental involvement, how much importance do they give to education, and what are the teachers teaching. Most states and localities put in a requirement that you have to have a degree in education to teach. The people getting this degree tend to be the bottom quarter of college students. On top of that, there is a seniority system which does not allow schools to pay extra for the top teachers. If you want to get a good calculus teacher, you have to raise the salary of your kindergarten teacher too.
Only the wealthiest districts can afford to pay all their teachers that much. Then you have the curriculum changes, for example dumping phonics for whole word reading, not correcting students who make mistakes to boost their self esteem, etc.
It’s been said here before but it needs saying again. The most important lessons children learn in early life are social behaviours. A child picked on in school is in the same court as the bully; they are both in trouble and both in need to learn the social graces of getting along with others. (Racism and other artificial barriers to a healthy society are outside the bounds of this discussion.) For the most part, a child is not just picked on, there are always reasons even though the reasons may not seem fair. We expect far too much acceptance from children, acceptance and forgiveness we don’t necessarily expect from ourselves. But like adults, children play and learn best with their peers and it is from their peers that they learn how to be socially human.
Human beings of all ages can be very unforgiving. The most unfortunate differences will stem from social interactions that are beyond the child’s control if s/he does not have the skills and inner confidence to muster the social graces of the situation of the moment (of the present setting, whatever it be). These are skills that we are not just born with, but are skills that have to be discovered, encouraged and nurtured. The reward is usually in the success of knowing or sensing and following the rules. Properly nurtured and learned they become intuitive and natural. I have seen children with physical and intellectual handicaps who were in the confident class of individuals and no one would pick on them, and everyone wanted them in their groups. If some one even dreamt of bothering such a child, others would never stand for it.*
This seems harsh, I know, but the children who are happiest in school, are the well-liked children. It is this way through life. In my classroom the confident children stand out. These children are always picked first for play and groups. Everyone likes them, everyone wants to be like them; the teachers, the other kids, the bullies and the bullied see something special in them. The question is why they are liked.
For starters, they are self-assured, not over confident, but have a way about them that spells cared for, caring of others and unafraid. They are indifferent to differences others would take for granted. There is a countenance about them that is strikingly noticeable. They do not wear their concerns upon their shoulders, they do not have the practice of putting others down nor do they come across as superior, brag or set themselves up as better than others or play favourites amongst others in their groups. They are truly well adjusted, do not gripe, complain or feel sad when they do not get into the best groups or when certain other individuals are added to theirs. There is harmony in their presence in most situations.
Social graces must be learned early in life and social grace starts at home. Social grace does not come from mean-spirited or selfish competitive settings. There can be and should be healthy competition in a child’s interaction with others, but it should be a competition which includes give and take, in games and other interactions. Acceptance, understanding, caring, a sense of togetherness in the home is best suited to developing healthy confidence.
Watch small children of all ages at play and you will see they have their own rules, rules which should help them survive the teen years and serve them well through their working years if practiced and internalised early. At children’s play I’ve noticed that a new visitor is not just accepted into the group. S/he must take care and observe the setting before s/he makes a move. A wrong move and there will be tears or sadness. Infants learn early the negative results of force and that actions of striking out does not earn acceptance. Then, as a small child s/he learns to watch and observe the strange rules of the social games of their peers before making a move. Making the right moves gains acceptance. These growing steps are micro steps that yield macro results to healthy relationships and they cannot be taught by adults, parents or teachers. They can be encouraged or better yet, an environment is allowed for them to take place, but children must learn and see their profits earned through both missteps and success. Parents who set out to monitor every move their child makes, set the child up for failure. Parents who want as much success for the other children as they do their own are the givers of confidence and that ineffable countenance found in such fortunate children.
* Outside of the group, the rules can change. I had a child in my room that I thought was well liked and never seemed to be in trouble. The last week of school, I heard a crash and saw a boy (Grade 3) fall off a chair. As I ran to him I noticed another boy walking away from the situation. This was not normal in that classroom. The children always rushed to another who fell or was hurt. After seeing that he was OK I took him outside the classroom to talk to him privately. I was shocked to find out that the boy who walked away had pushed him, and that he often bullied others. The hurt boy informed me that the misbehaver was always careful that adults would not see his actions.
It seems to be the nature of children not to tell on others. I remember a year I had to take different routes home after school to avoid a particular bully. Somehow around April, my mum discovered my plight and spoke to the other boy’s mother, her best friend, and the problem was solved. For seven months, when safely home, it had never occurred to me to complain. I use this story in my classes now to try to build confidence and awareness in children who might be bullied away from adult awareness.
Edward de Bono’s work on teaching thinking skills (both in schools and in books including Teach Your Child How To Think) is valuable.
The trick for all children (and adults) to better their reading skills and a way which serves the needs of all learning styles is to get children to treat their reading materials as more than just eye-candy. I was a good reader and devoured books as a young child and wish I had discovered this trick as a youth.
Encourage your young readers to have a scribbler at hand and, after each chapter, to write a short paragraph, two to three sentences at most, on what the chapter is about (the main idea). Then s/he can return to the book and continue to the next chapter. It adds another dimension to the experience.
This exercise trains the young person to become more observant, more contemplative, introspective, and develops writing skills, and strengthens spelling, grammar, punctuation and increases vocabulary skills* better than other traditional exercises. Do not criticise or make suggestions to the child’s writing. Ignore, hard as it may be, any mechanical errors, spelling etc. Handwriting improves, becoming more fluid and decisive over time, and within months, a young persons composition skills will improve dramatically, startling so. Such skills are never lost and will be as great a gift to one’s greater education as good reading skills are. Composition skills are the most difficult language skills for most children to develop and most people never master them. Simply encourage and acknowledge and occasionally do something special to show your pleasure. Kids, especially when young, love to please and when they become obnoxious teens, the deed is done and homework is more likely to be their cuppa.
The exercise also helps develop verbal and discussion skills, which may or may not be seen as a blessing when the child hits the teen years.
I can’t let this gem lie. Five chapters a day (count school and home reading and writing) times 3 sentences times 365 days is 1 825 paragraphs or 5 475 sentences in a year. In ten years it is 18 250 paragraphs, etc. Think how natural the act of writing would become the young man.
I no longer teacher spelling or test for spelling. It has always been a waste of time to teach many things out of context. Good spellers have a speller’s brain. I was surprised to find that spelling and vocabulary skills improved far more for all students using this system.
And this should take care of your young boy’s boredom when finishing classroom work ahead of time. All my students must pull out a book and their 3SP scribbler (three-sentence paragraph) to read and write in when an exercise is finished early. All this has been accomplished successfully with both inner-city schools and at two first nation village school where learning had previously seemed a struggle. It even meets the needs of many students who have teasted learning problems and marked improvements have been shown.
Finally, the act of writing puts the book to longer-term memory. Treasure the “books” your child writes.
Bob, I took a one-year teaching diploma on top of my BA in 1990, fully intending to use it to teach history and English in high school. But my student teaching sessions convinced me that the 20th century model of education was broken past the point of no return. I couldn’t see any way around it, I could see how I would make a difference in a system that was so out-of-tune
Even then, before the Internet, it was clear that education was still locked in the industrial mass-production model of the factory model, a model that was already obsolete long before the words “Netscape”, “Facebook” or “Twitter” had ever escaped anybody’s lips. That’s what I wrote my final paper about.
So I think you’re right on the money. I’m pressed for time this moment, but I’ll post again about the Canadian education researcher Robert K. Logan, who had a long association with Marshall McLuhan, and his thoughts about why computers and the Internet haven’t been properly integrated into the education system.
I’m sorry. I don’t buy the idea that educational technology won’t work because your kid (smart and good and kind as I’m sure he is) doesn’t get everything he could be getting out of class time.
It has always amazed me that we geeks instantly get that Scott Adams’ pointy-haired boss is nothing like an expert on technology, but he thinks he is because he has to manage people who do – and then turn around and believe we’re experts in education because our kids are in school. Most people commenting on this story are doing so with the perspective of “this happened to my kid or to me,” not considering for a moment that their story may be completely atypical; or that it’s not the system, but rather the individual school or even teacher is failing to do their job; or that the solutions they’re espousing don’t have any more foundation in good education theory than the ones that are being pooh-poohed here. Don’t worry, you’re not alone: one of the great catastrophes of the Internet echo chamber is that the inverted logic of reasoning from my specific to the world’s general has nearly ruined public discourse.
Here’s another possibility, one that you seemed to have ignored (surprisingly, given how much you obviously care about your own son) in the Osbourne family saga: Sharon is Jack and Kelly’s MOTHER. She and Ozzy love their children and THAT’S what saves messed-up kids and strengthens healthy ones. Maybe the education system is broken because family love is broken in a largely narcissistic society – and maybe, just maybe, that’s why education systems in other parts of the world where homes still value education perform significantly better. (Although it could just be that the standards for success are different in different countries. We’re not all using the same measuring stick.)
John Taylor Gatto argues effectively that school is designed to break the bonds of family life. To prevent you and your children from having that relationship. To train your children to spy on you and fink to the “authorities” under the guise of doing a project for school. To undermine the Constituion and turn you into a “child” of the State.
My dad had a computer lab in his classroom back in the first half of the eighties. He used computers for the next twenty years until he retired, with a fabulous track record of teaching learning disabled sociopaths whom the public schools deemed unteachable.
The moral, of course, is not that computers can save the classroom. It is that computers – or his hand-me-down professional A/V equipment, etc. – used properly by the right teachers can focus the attention of even the most out of control kids. But ultimately what saved his classroom was that he was a former college football player with a reputation for not taking any shit. The kids first respected him, and only then was learning possible.
To follow up on my previous post, the educational researcher Robert K. Logan — who worked closely with Marshall McLuhan in the 70’s — wrote two books, The Fifth Language and its followup/revision The Sixth Language, where he posits the following:
Humanity has invented six distinct “languages” since the beginning of civilization:
1- Oral language.
2- Written language.
3- Mathematics.
4- Science.
5- Computers.
6- The Internet.
Each “language” is dependent on and springs from the previous one, and cannot emerge independently.
In a nutshell, he says our education system is broken because it tries to teach all of the above, but especially computers and the Internet, as SUBJECTS instead of treating them as the MEDIA through which other concepts flow.
Here’s the link to the Sixth Language on Amazon: http://amzn.to/yRRupE
And here’s my review of the pre-Internet edition, The Fifth Language, as published in the Canadian booktrade magazine Quill & Quire in 1994:
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The Fifth Language
Reviewed by Mark Shainblum
Originally published in Quill & Quire, December 1994
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Anyone who went to high school in the 1970’s had a gut-level awareness that all was not right with the world. Our education seemed weirdly out of tune with reality – not in the prosaic way adult and teenage cultures always differ – but in the everyday nuts-and-bolts sense of how things worked. Our teachers often seemed like emissaries from another culture, well-meaning Peace Corps volunteers unable to fluently speak the lingo or figure out the local customs.
The gut instinct gave way to certain dread when I took a one-year teaching diploma at McGill University in 1991-92. My baby-boomer university professors and my post X students in practice teaching no longer seemed like foreigners; they seemed like aliens. Like residents of different parallel universes with no points of convergence.
And there I was, a Generation X cliché, the lunch meat sandwiched between them. Being Spam has never appealed. I decided high school teaching wasn’t for me, just as someone in the 1890’s might have decided that there was little future in the carriage manufacturing trade.
Robert K. Logan, professor of physics and communications theory at the University of Toronto and the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, may not have put the final nail in the coffin of the traditional teacher/desks/blackboard classroom, but he has certainly purchased the hammer. In his remarkably lucid book The Fifth Language: Learning a Living in the Computer Age, Logan continues the work of Canadian communications pioneer Marshall McLuhan and applies it to the interface of microcomputing and education.
To those not steeped in current communications and educational theory, Logan’s basic contentions are staggering. He views the computer as not simply a tool, not simply a medium, but as an entirely new language form, the fifth after verbal language, the written alphabet, mathematics, and science. This language builds upon and incorporates its predecessors, but is as fundamentally different from them as written language is from spoken, as rational science is from pure mathematics.
Logan contends that the educational system has not yet made the ideological leap that our rapid adoption of this new language requires. We are, he claims in his clean, lucid prose, still trying to educate our children for the 1950’s. Schools as we know them are the educational paradigm of the factory, still spewing specialists and middle managers and clock-watchers into a culture which demands generalists and renaissance thinkers and flexibility.
Logan doesn’t preach evolution, he preaches revolution. The education system, in his view, is simply broken, out of date, out of step not just with the times but the new evolving world culture. Simply plopping a few PC’s into the classroom will not solve the problem because PC’s aren’t simply a tool, they are an utterly new way of seeing the universe. There are as radical a paradigm shift, in their own way, as the introduction of written language or the scientific method.
The Fifth Language is an extremely successful book for several reasons. Logan eschews the convoluted non-linearity of Marshall McLuhan’s Toronto School and explains his contentions in remarkably clear and taut prose. He explains the basic principles of McLuhanesque thought better than any third party I have ever read, and his extensions of Toronto School philosophy into the educational and microcomputer domains are, frankly, brilliant.
No one who has stood at the front of a classroom in the last twenty years has any illusions that the current educational system actually functions. Now, perhaps, with Robert Logan’s help, we can begin to understand why.
Sorry Bob, it occurs to me that I pirated your signal there. I probably should have asked before posting a whole bylined essay in your comments section.
Sorry. Cut-and-pasted before thinking.
So:
You’re really only interested in how well educated your own 3 sons are (you said). Fair enough but why then devote a column to it as nobody else is going to be much interested in how well your sons are educated (no offence intended). No point inciting general education unrest when you just need a quick personal solution!!!
In any case, with a focus on just 3 young people, nobody is going to change the system either for you or in time!!!
Despite your comment (“You could, in theory, turn a Model T into a Ferrari, but sometimes it’s better to start from scratch”), you (and most of your readers) are still fixated on “Teachers”! Scrap them (=start from scratch). They are not required in a fit for purpose education paradigm. Instead of starting with “teachers” so as to build an education model that they fit into, why not do what makes sense, identify one’s education aims and build a model that meets it (in which “teachers” won’t figure, they’re an illogical role)!!!
Problem really is – too many teachers and education “professionals” (school heads, government funders, etc) with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo! It’s a win(teachers)/lose(students) situation.
Lots of us are interested in how Bob is educating his boys because we have children too and some of us have the same issues with the school systems in our area.
Besides, if you want to change a big system, it’s better to start at the grass roots: right under your nose and go from there.
We had most of the same problems you describe your kids having. What I will call “bullying-lite”. Which is hell for the kid on the receiving end but not so bad that any teacher or administrator will do anything about it. It made both my above average kids not want to go to school. My son who has mild ADD was struggling because he could not fit with the way things were paced in High School and my daughter was the victim of horrible peer gossip and behavior. We took them out of their High School (a very well ranked school I might add) and enrolled them in K12. Now i know from doing my reading online that K12 has caught a lot of heat from some of their methods however what I have found is that with an involved parent it is a great program. Both my kids get their school work done at their own pace, have online group lecture class sessions weekly and discussions as well. They also have time free to go to museums and add even more to their education as well. I know it requires at least one stay home parent but I work from home so it is perfect for us. It has removed the BS that dominates so much of their school day in a traditional school setting and replaces it with solid academics. We need to take the initiative to make sure they socialize well but between scouts, after-school drama programs, and sports tons of good socialization is available. Oh and in many school districts in California it is free to enroll your kids in K12 through CAVA (https://www.k12.com/cava). The even send a free PC with a Printer/Scanner if you need it and reimburse for DSL cost. Have a look, it might just change you kids lives for the better.
The teaching device you describe is part of the basis of the SF novel “A Diamond Age” Neal Stephenson – fantastic book.
As for school, I’m in Australia and maybe I’m not typical but I loved school – l just loved learning stuff. And I never really got bored, even if I already knew something that was being taught. Everything interested me, I couldn’t get enough.
As for what happens to your kids at the school – this to me is assault. How can you learn in that environment? Back in my day there was the cane – I got it myself quite a few times, but it kept us in line. I got it a few times unfairly but that was education too – you have to learn that sometimes life is not fair.
Bob – take your kids out of public school and either educate them yourself or get them into a decent private school.
Frankly I think that you’re barking up a utopian tree here – yes, technology CAN help, but while we keep trying to make in substitute for the old ways of doing things nothing will change … and meanwhile the average teacher works in an employment situation that NO OTHER profession would tolerate for an instant.
The only thing I want my kids to learn is ‘critical thinking’.
Think for themselves, work it out, don’t believe what anyone tells
you on face value (even teachers who may be teaching Physics ‘from the book’).
I had one example where I help my daughter ‘decode a secret message’
for a home work assignment. O.K. I did most of the work.
The answer I got was ‘The Great Galaxy Andromeda’, but the teacher failed her
because the answer was (supposed to be!) “The Milky Way”.
I ask you, how did I in fact decode the message this wrong?
Hint: Either we got a different test paper, or the teacher’s crib sheet was wrong..
I always did better in class when I had a good teacher. Imagine society if teachers were amongst the highest paid professionals
Teddy Ruxpin 2.0?
A one-to-one learning relationship could be somewhat achieved if students were allowed to learn at their own pace using an online education service. The bright students would move ahead on their own while the less bright students would get more individual help from the teacher.
https://www.k12.com
https://www.kueducation.com
https://www.eschoolnews.com
The education situation in this country isn’t helped by the fact that less than 5% of teachers are board certified. https://www.nbpts.org
Alfie Kohn (https://www.alfiekohn.org/index.php) has been in the ed biz much longer than celebrity experts like Rush Limbaugh, Barack Obama, or Bill Gates.
Or many others.
“Kohn’s criticisms of competition and rewards have been widely discussed and debated, and he has been described in Time magazine as ‘perhaps the country’s most outspoken critic of education’s fixation on grades [and] test scores.'”
He writes on regular business too. It’s all about the same.
Children are not robots or filing cabinets or statistics. They’re people. Learning is hard but it happens naturally given the right conditions.
Learning isn’t hard, teaching good learning is hard. Learning is easy because it is what your brain wants to do it whether you realize it or not. The trick is to understand that learning is the brain’s way of modeling the world and each brain does it a different way – sometimes with social experimentation or solitary exploration.
The expectations of overly rigid testers, overwhelmed teachers, selfish parents and bullies create distractions to natural learning – as do the 90% of the administrator’s time which involves having to compensate for the overly rigid testers, overwhelmed teachers, selfish parents and bullies.
Competition maybe one distraction, but it is not the sole problem. The problem is that disfunctional schools arise from the disfunctional social systems that may have been functional when the school system was developed, but they stopped evolving.
Bob talked about teaching skills, not facts – well, yes, but it isn’t a binary problem. Education is about lived experiences. Generations past learned math in school, but experienced work at home and life without mediation. Now, kids still crave experiences – and learning experiences – and schools are now too big and complex and outcome driven to provide them appropriately. Heck, watch the parents in yesterday’s 60 Minutes on “red shirting kindergarteners” and you’ll see part of the problem. Parents are so panicked about giving their kids everything, including every advantage, except access to real experiences.
Whether learning is hard or not depends on the subject matter and your definition of “hard”. Trying to learn a lot about a complex subject in a short period of time is difficlut. But that is precisely the difference between learning “naturally” and learning at shcool.
Bob,
I feel your pain. We moved my daughter from the best public school in the district to a private Montessori school a half-hour away because of bullying, boredom, and indifferent staff. It has made a world of difference in her self-confidence and excitement about going to school every day. Oh, and she’s learning how to think and communicate, not just store facts for the next standardized test.
As for your “computer as personal teacher” idea, I think it’s great. I suspect Neal Stephenson would agree with us, as it was one of the major elements of his novel “The Diamond Age: Or, A Young Lady’s Illustrated Primer”. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diamond_Age) Highly recommended.
As a former math teacher and former software engineer, if the software you’re thinking of creating is for your kids, do yourself a favor and spend time with them yourself. Go over homework with them. Make sure they read each night. Save the rest of us once you’re happy with your family again.
I was lucky with my kids and we landed in a medium sized city with neighborhoods/schools that are like mini-Mayberry’s. It’s not perfect, but neither is the rest of society. Education comes down to YOUR family. In this country, school is primarily a socialization environment/process: education is secondary. You’ll only frustrate yourself if you don’t accept that.
Right on brother.
The responsibility of teaching your children cannot be delegated.
The only thing that separates the moral animal from the rest of the zoo is the ability to use tools.
Robert X (what does X mean) I’ll say it again Plato, Franklin and others all learned before computers. How did they learn to be remembered thousands of years later?
The same way as your kids — you have to get them interested once their interested ride them till they drop!
Education Dept. is like any corporation — in the cruising phase the customer does not matter. See Adobe’s Flash or Windows OS.
Workers in Education like in any corporation will take the lazy way to get freebies. Who cares if you kid misses out.
At a Public School a lawyer was teaching maths and he was learning as he was teaching it. I asked him if that was correct. His reply was that it was the parents responsibility to make sure their kid knew maths!!
You’re on your own Robert X. and your starting late to complain.
A baby is born with trillions of neurons and if they don’t conect they die, at 7 years old billions have died at 20 even more have died. A neutological Fact!!
FYI Robert X Cringely is a pen name.
He knows that. Bob spells it “X.” not “X”, so he is wondering what word the letter “X” is supposed to be the first letter of. The joke is getting a bit old by now.
I am of the firm view that any technology in education is neutral
Technology is just an other way to acquire knowledge by the ones who seek to acquire knowledge.
Human thinkers developed amazing things with or without computers and they will continue to do so with any technology available at their disposal.
What the Osbourne kids “successful careers” are… mini-celebs?
Whatever it is, I know it does not scale well on a general population, which is the target of the educational system.
While I think we can all applaud Sharon’s ‘management’ of her off-the-rail kids. You have to consider that she has spent her life managing Ozzy’s career and after that, keeping a couple kids out of a cemetery (permanently) and buying them friends/guides is not high achievement. It’s nice and all, but how does it translate to the rest of us? Siri? Not likely and certainly not yet. For the foreseeable future we are going to endure the warehousing and the imperfect results of the school system.
If there is a resonant note here, it is to teach kids both how to learn and mostly, to want to learn. That is best modeled at home by parents who need to take the time to show their kids the reality of life-long learning. Starting with an attitude of embracing learning as not a chore, but a privilege and a joy. Once that is established, partly by example, partly with support of their child’s excitement in their own learning, you are on the way to a “platform-independent” child who learns whatever the environment.
Computers then become just another channel for the motivated child. Parent, teacher, library, computer and peer-interaction are all channels for learning and experimentation where a child who is excited by learning-for-learning’s-sake will seek guidance from teachers and parents and seek out information channels for the sheer volume of subjects they offer.
It largely comes down to parents. Not for direct instruction perhaps, but to set a tone where kids realize that they need to become a learning ‘sponge’ that takes full advantage of the opportunity before them. Teach them to read and to want to read, introduce them to the library and show them how to use it. Teach them that they should never be shy about asking questions – lots of questions – and they will have no trouble learning.
They need these basic learning skills and attitudes before any devised ‘system’ can be effective. As for the pencil-eating troglodytes that try to ruin the whole experience, they are everywhere in life. Learning to persevere in spite of them is another life skill that we all need to learn sometime.
So what you’re suggesting is an electronic friend with a genuine people personality as created by the Siri cybernetics corp. ? (You have read The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy haven’t you?)
I tend to suspect that anyone who proposes a solution to The Problem is a part of the problem as no problem of any size has a solution that doesn’t require a flexible approach involving applying one of many solutions depending on the variant of the problem one is dealing with.
Regrettably no one got ahead in politics by avoiding sweeping generalizations and it will always be a case of pick your sledge hammer. Sledge hammers being cheaper than flexible solutions and if there’s one thing certain in US politics it’s sooner death before taxation.
One of the things I credit Bill Gates with is his charitable interest in education, but I haven’t seen any outcome results for his donations. And being the evidence-based guy that he is, there must be followup data. A simple guess is that it has not been reported because the outcomes were less than hoped. But sprinkling some technology on a failing school seems unlikely to solve much until these machines become teachers themselves. The machines are not yet evolved enough to do this.
I am still a fan of the potential of technology. I am writing this on an ereader which has a huge library of books on it, with everything from Chekhov to Alexis de Tocqueville. There has never been a better time to live if you love learning. But I doubt that more than a fraction – a geekish and autodidactic fraction – takes
advantage. So there is a percentage of people who will benefit from infusions of technology. Understanding why the majority doesn’t is probably crucial to unravelling the mystery and solving the problem. Many of the donated computers undoubtedly spend more time processing Facebook than running a text editor for Java. And so the potential for technology to enable learning is largely wasted.
Throwing technology at education problems is frustrating for teachers because the technology really isn’t very good yet. And yet, the biggest frustration for teachers isn’t even what goes on at school – it’s what goes on at home. Some parents simply don’t have the skills to help their children excel in school. These kids are at a huge disadvantage compared to their peers whose parents have the right skills. These kids then become an additional burden for the teacher.
Enter FiFi. A Toy. An Interactive Toy. An instant best friend for a child.
FiFi will teach your kindergarten child the “100 Frequently Used Words” ~this~ week. And next week, your child will learn……
Imagine if these devices were readily available for all children. Then our teachers could actually teach.
The problem with public schools is not the teachers but the parents. The school we send our kids to puts principle value on the students feeling safe to learn, even in the lower grades. 14:1 teacher student ratio helps as well. In a non-public setting, kids can be taught to respect other’s space, and if they don’t, they are gone, period. Sure, they use web2 apps for some lab work, and are taught about a host of non-Wikipedia resources they subscribe to for research, but it is the confidence to be themselves without fear of peer reprisals that leads to the security to explore and share boldly, regardless of technology. Again, it is about the community of parents.
I am a pretty liberal leaning person, so this is not based on some right leaning ideologue, but I have seen exactly what Bob writes about. Federal law requires students diagnosed with disabilities be kept in the “least restrictive environment”. The idea is that we don’t stigmatize children with disabilities by isolating them out of the mainstream classroom. The result is that parents have to complain all the way up the superintendent to get a disruptive child (who literally screamed, ran around the classroom, knocked over desks, hit the teacher and other students, etc.) removed from the classroom so that 25+ other students can get on with their learning. We too, went to the principal whose hands were tied because the law (and the potential threat of lawsuits by parents of students identified as “disabled”) requires that students with disabilities be mainstreamed as much as possible.
Sometimes, boys are just boys – especially at age 7 – but when the behavior of one child disrupts an entire classroom of learning, the one child needs to be removed. I see no benefit from keeping disruptive children in these classrooms. I do see students not wanting to go to school and maybe even losing their joy of learning for years.
I find your ideas interesting, and while I don’t agree with you on many of the points, I do think it is a refreshing, new thought which is what we need. New ideas and thoughts are truly what is missing in today’s education.
I will offer one thing. We live in a upper middle class neighborhood, and our neighborhood school is #1 in the state with test scores in the 95% and above range. My kids do not attend that school, they did, but don’t now. Instead we hoof our kids down to a Title One school full of diversity. Our kids have been bullied at both schools. However, the difference to us has been the entitlement that the affluent kids feel. They feel justified in their actions. This and their parents attitudes result in an ineffective dealing with a problem. A sweep under the rug situation. My guess is that teachers and administrators don’t want to deal with the parents that have produced such awesome kids (sarcasm). The bullying at the other school gets dealt with, and although not fun, my kids have come out better for it. The situations are handled immediately. Parents are called in, and if a child even feels bullied, they deal with it. The administration is well versed in troubled kids, and know how to handle these situations. In every situation my children have ended up friends with the bully. And in all cases a course of action was taken. We have found that you pick your problems. And while these kids come from rougher homes, the entitlement issue has been one that has sent us through the roof. At the other school, I had a mom on my porch furious at me because her son gave mine a concussion. And the principal’s words to me,”your son needs to toughen up.” I hate the attitude of – our test scores are great, so we can forget about anything else. I believe you will always find that in an affluent school because the administration is not only ill-equipped to deal with child bullies, but they are unwilling to deal with the parent bullies.
Like anything else in the world, it all comes down to money. If we want better teachers, then we have to evaluate them with sound measurements and pay them (or not) based on their performance. Unfortunately, government’s only notion of evaluation is test scores. Good luck getting the problem kid in class to pull through for you on a standardized exam. And good luck trying to convince teachers to do anything more than “teach to the test” when they well know that is what will make or break their funding and that they need to drag the lowest performing kids across that line to “succeed”.
And there lies the second problem. In a class of 30 children, if the teacher has to stop and deal with (even in a positive way, say to help “catch up”) one child, what goes on during that time for the other 29? Nothing. Private schools are often perceived as “better” not because the teachers are better or the material is better, but because the teacher/student ratio is better. Because of that, more individual attention can be given to students on both ends of the performance chart. Teachers have a better shot at finding what motivates a child and turning them loose.
Bob-
Your idea re: Fifi reminds me of Neal Stephenson’s “The Diamond Age”, where children had books that were network-connected to an adult reader who got to know and understand the child who was doing the reading, so that they could make the story into much more than it was based simply on content.
It’d be interesting to see some fleshed-out versions of this idea, possibly including automation or a sort of “mechanical turk” back-end.
There is a decidedly low-tech way to do this in schools- parent participation. Cupertino’s McAuliffe school emphasizes learning by doing. And they do that by having an army of parents available to accomplish it by asking parents to commit to a few hours per week of their time:
http://joomla.mcauliffek8.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=115&Itemid=91
Their motto is best summed up by the old proverb;
I hear and I forget, I see and I remember, I do and I understand.
So they do a lot of ‘doing’ and focus on internal motivation rather than external motivation and stuff. Most parent’s have a hard time with that, though. With little homework and fewer tests, parent’s get freaked out their kid is going to turn out to be a ‘failure’ and they won’t know about it early enough to push them along. Classic question at the introductory parent nights referring to building ‘interior motivation’ in kids (instead of basically telling them what they should do with ‘exterior motivation’) is “But what if my kid just wants to work at McDonald’s?” and the school’s response is “well, if that’s what they really want to do, then perhaps that is best for them” and since that totally freaks parents out, then they don’t want any part of this kind of thing. But you have to understand that the school fundamentally believes in building the kid’s desire to DO something they want to do, not just do things because they ought to do it. Chances are good your kid won’t want to work at McDonald’s if there’s something they find they really want to do, and whatever it is they want to do, they’ll be very happy doing it (because it is what they really want to do) so you have to ask yourself what your goal as a parent really is?
So, I submit to you, that the current education system has grown up due to PARENT’s kind of warped expectations for how they expect their kids to be molded and has much less to do with effectively educating children. The system we have is the system that generates the least amount of parental complaints and worry- they at least always know where their kids stand on the path to not working at McDonald’s, even though many of them wind up there, anyway.
I forgot to mention that McAuliffe is a PUBLIC school, not a private one. Granted it is a charter public school, but a public school, nonetheless. In fact, Cupertino’s charter schools each represent extremely different ways of teaching and are kind of an interesting study in their own right.
They range at the extreme ends from Faria (with it’s uber-strict 3R’s focus) and it’s 996 test scores to McAuliffe with it’s hordes of parents and kids doing random stuff all the time and no scores at all.
The interesting one (at least from the perspective of computers in the class) is Murdock-Portal which is highly computerized and accomplishes more ‘doing’ than an ordinary school and yet even outscores (998) Faria without extra parent participation.
That school is kind of fascinating. It’s like the Moneyball of schools as they did a bunch of statistical modeling or something a long time ago and they thought they figured out the ideal way to group kids by abilities and they have a way to rotate everyone around for the different subjects in their multi-segmented round (pie-chart like) classrooms. It’s actually pretty straightforward in practice (each class is created with 2 grades and then each subject rotates kids up or down +/- a level) but basically they have managed to create huge a huge blur of what ‘grade’ a child is actually in and the whole thing is augmented with the computers integrated into the curriculum. I wish I knew more about how the computers are actually integrated there, but unless your kids go there you really won’t know. The drawback to that school is also its advantage. It is impossible for them to expand capacity by a single K class, for instance; it unbalances the system.
https://sites.google.com/a/cusdschools.org/murdock-portal/about-murdock-portal
Bob,
In my opinion, before you can criticize education, technology, politics, and so on — you first have to answer this question. What is the purpose of human life? You will probably get a number of different answers. However, with this question answered, you then can proceed with shaping these areas of interest into one or more styles, depending on the desires of the people who are affected by them.
It is pointless to argue about how these things should operate without knowing their underlying purpose per above.
Bob and Charles,
Education and learning is intimately connected to everything in a lifetime. I went to public schools, including 4 different state sponsored colleges. I yearned for strong connections with good teachers and I am grateful for many that helped me along the way, mixed in with all kinds of other teacher experiences.
I thrived on attentive, focused contact from the teachers I valued. I didn’t need constant attention, a hit here and a hit there was enough to encourage me. For students like me, a teacher could have a number of students and be successful.
There is no substitute for direct, meaningful and appreciative contact from one person to another, teacher to student, when one is learning. When I can feel that a teacher, friend, mentor or coach has integrity within their self, and is focused on what they see as their best understanding of me and provides a support and a nudge in that direction, I feel energized, and I can go forward with a positive feeling and an appetite for learning.
Bob brings this sense forward when he mentioned the teachers that made a difference for him, and how the Osbourne child had a support that made a difference there too, how Sharon made a point to provide that support. Parents play a big role, in multiple ways, I had mixed experiences with that, which is why teachers made many differences for me because I was mostly on my own at home.
But, as always, what is the purpose of life, as Charles asks? What is the purpose of my life, is it the same as all others, their purposes?
This mystified me for many years, for most of my younger years I felt there was some one purpose, and it was the same for everyone, I spent years focused on that, trying to discover it and connect to it. I don’t feel that way now, but learning is one purpose we all have in common.
Last year I “stumbled” upon a book by Micheal Newton, Journey of Souls, which expanded my frame of reference about life’s purpose. In short, he is a now retired hypnotherapist who past life regressed, and between lifetimes regressed, over 7000 clients in his therapy career, recorded all his sessions, then eventually wrote a book or two about it. I got it clear, from the experience of reading this, that each person’s life purpose or purposes are unique, which was a great relief, because there is so much variety in personalities, attitudes and learning curves, there would be no one system or approach that would work perfectly for all.
Some of the ideas expressed here in the comments are exciting, rotating levels of classes, student mentors and helpers, cooperation between students in learning (by design) and a focus on where a student is at, how to best go from there, and then a minimum focus on grading and comparison against standardized testing.
As a teacher (done tutoring and some classroom teaching) and student, I have found that a student seems to respond best when I take the time to understand where they are located in their process and then to start from there, no shame or blame or comparison, where ever they are is the only place they can be, so start there, then guide them along in a supportive manner, from that point. As confidence and respect build, they tend to become more independent over time.
These articles about education have been excellent and bring up many valuable points, and great comments too! Thank you for the columns over the years, will miss you Bob, when you retire from this.
Well, Robert, welcome to the real world. My twin daughters could not read and it only cost me 15,000 a year for three years to provide a free and fair public school education. We ended up paying a local college child development center to get them to read. It worked now I only spend $50,000 a year to get them a college education.
Now my son could not read at all but he is quick and smart. In kindergarten he knew he could not read so he would listen. He used to be able dictate back from memory the book read to him in school. So it really did not make any difference what page you were on he had no clue but he knew all the words in proper sequence. He only cost $26,000 a year to teach him how to read. That was painful. Now it only cost $600 a month for him to get thru the Free and Fair Public high school with his own personal tutor who is tough as nails and does not fall for his BS and actually worked with him in the reading school.
This of course proves that Public Education does not work without massive outside intervention and staggering amounts of cash. I wonder why the high school drop out rate is 30 – 60 percent depending on where you live. If you are a single mother high school drop out you are going to need a special kid to make their way through school. There is no way the mom can help. Now I always ask how did we educate the kids back when none of our parents even spoke English. We used to be able to do it. What happened?
Looks like you will be getting your own tutor real soon.
Now what is good about technology. Well let me tell you my son lives on text messaging and facebook. You will not believe how fast it comes back around on social pressure if what you type can not be read. So I do not approve of all that he puts out there but what goes out has bought back positive pressure for him to type and spell and make sentences.
I do predict that their generation will make computers work where we did not. The networks they make now will only get bigger and the smart ones will use the net works in unbelievable ways. We hope for the Good.
Bob,
Sometimes when you are participating in an activity your perspective gets distorted. In business consulting, we call these people “part of the furniture” who unknowingly become part of the problem. Having been a teacher and in the technology industry may put you in that category.
You could also be reading the wrong books. Maybe you should try “High Tech Heretic – Why Computers Don’t Belong in the Classroom and Other Reflections by a Computer Contrarian” by Clifford Stoll.
I will offer the following hypothesis for you and others to chew on:
“Maybe education is supposed to be painful and broken. Maybe you only learn through the agony of suffering or having needs unfilled because that’s what lights the fire in your belly to overcome obstacles in your life. When you make it fun, interesting, relevant and working well in the eyes of those who aren’t being taught is when it’s not working.”
BTW, what is the goal of education? A degree from a named institution of higher learning? Happiness? Financial success? Contribution to your society? or is it contribution to mankind?
If you consider being a CEO as academic success, it’s been recently revealed in the WSJ that the majority of CEOs when to community colleges rather than to Ivy League and named institutions of higher learning. Most of them also overcame setbacks in family, finances etc. and worked through school. Does this mean that in order to truly learn you must be put in an adverse situation?
Good article. Here’s my $0.02 so I can feel better too. 🙂
Nice contradiction — you want a solution this year, but you propose a talking robot for each child to achieve it. That sounds a little way off. And more than a little creepy… I think I saw a movie about this once (or twice, or more).
Teaching “skills not stuff” sounds familiar — isn’t that what votech schools do? BUT there’s a lot of higher education that is entirely “stuff” with no “skill”. How do you teach history in a votech format? Most of higher math is just “stuff” unless you stay in academia or design airplanes. And there’re certainly no practical applications for interpreting classical literature. It’s all just “stuff” (or “fluff”, depending on your viewpoint). Yet those things are important to learn, even if they are never used in “real life”.
I left school with a few conclusions of my own. First, I agree completely that technology is nearly useless in the classroom. My own high school (mid-’90s) had plenty of computers sitting around but I only recall using them a handful of times outside of the computer lab and library. Exactly for the reasons you state — the teachers didn’t know how to use them and didn’t have time to learn. Second, and here’s the Big Truth: a good teacher can make any subject interesting and can teach any student. All that’s required is physical presence, a chalkboard/whiteboard/overhead projector and a medium dollup of talent. I had teachers who could control 40 rowdy students with a look. I also had teachers who couldn’t bring order even after sending half the class to the office. I learned tons of stuff from those good teachers, even when I didn’t really like the subjects. I learned zero from the bad teachers, even when I loved the subject. Third, when a student is motivated and interested in a subject, they’ll learn it on their own outside of school. As far as those subjects are concerned, the student only needs to learn HOW to learn. They’ll do the rest on their own — you won’t be able to stop them even if you wanted to.
So here’s my Secret Sauce: teach teachers a little less about their subjects (most teachers end up teaching subjects they weren’t trained in anyway) and a little more about child psychology and CROWD CONTROL. My own mother has a teaching degree and failed as a teacher after 3 months in a public school. All her training focused on her subject; she didn’t have a single class on how to keep kids in their seats, how to talk to them or how to deal with disruptions. The stress (and physical threats from her thug students) forced her to quit. Yes parents are important, yes the administrators can do more, blah blah, but in the end it’s up to the teacher to maintain order simply because they’re the only one in the room most of the time. If the students don’t respect the teacher’s authority, the teacher will never be able to teach them anything.
Once you’ve got teachers who can teach, let them decide whether technology is appropriate. If the teacher is more comfortable with a chalkboard and a pointer stick, so be it! If they want iPads and digital projectors, fine! Desks in straight rows or a circle? Lights on or off? Window shades up or down? Whatever! Let the teacher create the environment where they’ll be most confident, so they’ll be the most effective teacher they can be. When the teacher is confident, they’ll be in control and the students will learn. When the teacher is nervous, uncomfortable or embarrassed (e.g. because they don’t know how the computers work), the students will run rampant.
The best part: it’s possible to start making these changes this year. We’ll go back to the current system when the talking robots are ready.
Interstingly, many sci-fi series use that kind of teaching mechanism.
They have an AI technology that acts as the teacher, and each kid essentially has their own teacher through the AI.
Now, AI has not gotten to the point of being that good yet. But it will advance; and even then, as it advances we can tweak it by letting parents (or teachers) monitor several AIs and jump in to help (behind the scenes as part of the AI) when necessary.
Yes, it can work. But we still have a long ways to go with AI development before it can work. In other words, AIs need to pass the Turing test first.
Love the though of this line: “Time to teach Fifi to talk.”
Do you suppose we could also teach a pup to also talk.
If we really want to improve education, we need to address nutrition, exercise and sleep for kids. Exercise vastly improves learning. Check out the book ‘Spark: The Revolutionary New Science of Exercise and the Brain’ by John J. Ratey. And do some research on the Paleo diet. Grains, sugar and refined foods are awful components of our diet and contribute to many disorders. Not as sexy as technology, but vastly more important.
When I finished my high school education, I thought to myself that 12 years could have been reduced to 5 at most.
What does that mean?
What does that mean to teachers?
What does that mean to students?
What does that mean to Robert X (What does X mean)?
When I first went to Uni, I hated the waisted time in looking up references or even queuing to load programs to mainframes that were protected by worker bees.
Today Wikipedia is a boom — I can find meanings, be distracted by serendipitous facts and still return to the subject without too much time wasting.
Nevertheless, human nature still produces Bush43 and millions of wankers who believe that they’re intelligent and have power to do you damage! And do!
Only by cutting of the head can change occur after a lot of pain.
Look at your election not a wise person anywhere and you worry about a 7 year old’s fate!
I could view the problem another way as feminization of education!
The dumb child is too precious to be called dumb. The teacher too important and knowledgeable to be questioned.
Maternal instincts abound. Political Correction gone mad.
I’ll tell you of a non-related story. A Russian jet, at the direction of ground control, collided with a cargo jet. The Swiss blamed others not themselves. A Russian (he was too old to restart a family – all were killed) searched and killed the Air Traffic Controller. I thought about it and he killed the wrong person — he should have killed the controller’s family and not the Air Traffic Controller!
Obama killed Usama bin Laden and he killed the wrong person. Usama bin Laden has 20+ children to continue his genes. The USA should have castrated Usama bin Laden and let him live but killed his kids. ONLY WHEN ITS PERSONAL DO PEOPLE ACT DIFFERENTLY look at yourself Robert X (what does X mean) never caring about education till your kids are involved.
Capital punishment is not given to capital crimes and criminals like Madoff.
Madoff didn’t care at the 200 year sentence, didn’t care at the billions stolen, didn’t care at the misery inflicted to the hundreds that lost their fortunes. BUT when his son committed suicide he saw his crime differently and regrets his son’s death as a consequence of his actions.
Capital punishment for corruption would be a good idea also. But Nixon is not a crook! And was pardoned by ‘can’t walk and chew gum at the same time’ Ford, who never the less was put on the Warren Commission by the president that thought him to be an idiot! And a lot of Bush43 cabinet holders were on the Nixon White House staff and learned their criminal behaviour from a pro! AND still are not guilty!!
Fix the head and the rest will follow.
I like Ancient Roman Justice.
My local high school has good teachers, upper middle class families, great facilities, and a bunch of students go on to elite colleges. Looks great on the outside. And, according to reliable sources (students themselves), a big drug culture. Very depressing. These are not kids from deprived or broken homes. It is a very big high school, and kids lose their way. Is suggesting smaller schools too low tech?
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