This is one of those columns that will piss-off some of my geekier readers. They’ll complain that I am covering this subject at all, they will declare me dead or at least too stupid to be worth reading, and they will claim to be departing Cringelyville never to return. Frankly, I don’t give a damn. And it is important that I not give a damn, because that’s what freedom of the press is all about. This column concerns a particularly damning story about Goldman Sachs, the big Wall Street bank, that is available online now from the Rolling Stone. But I’m not so interested here in Goldman, or even in our ongoing global financial nightmare: I am fascinated by the fact that the story is in Rolling Stone and not in the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times.
This is not liberal media bias or conservative media bias, it is simple dollars and cents — the inevitable economic pressures that are felt in any media organization that relies on advertising for revenue. If you went to the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times they’d tell you there is a wall between “church and state” as it is sometimes referred to in the newspaper business — a wall that keeps ad salesmen from calling reporters and ostensibly gives the news side carte blanche to follow stories wherever they go, no matter who they annoy.
Except that usually isn’t the way it works in real life.
Read the Rolling Stone piece. It is one of a series of long stories about the financial crisis in that magazine from writer Matt Taibbi — stories that paint a scathing and foul-mouthed picture of corporate greed, especially at Goldman Sachs. In this particular installment the writer makes a strong argument that Goldman executives should be in prison. And he’s probably correct.
Why isn’t this story in the Wall Street Journal, minus the cuss words? Why isn’t it in the New York Times? Will something like it ever be in either of those papers? Probably not. And I write this freely admitting that I like the New York Times and I think the Wall Street Journal often does a pretty good job with its technology coverage.
As Deep Throat said, “Follow the money.”
I first noticed this media syndrome as a child reading airplane magazines. I came from a flying family and airplanes have been part of my life all my life, so I grew up reading Flying, and AOPA Pilot, and Sport Aviation. And I noticed that when those magazines reviewed a new airplane they hardly ever said anything bad about it. Yet a few years later, when they covered the same airplane as something you might buy used, it was as though they were flying a completely different machine. The very same writers were suddenly pointing-out “chronic problems” in a plane that might be “something of a dog.”
Airplane manufacturers don’t run ads for their old models, just the new ones. And used aircraft are competition for new ones so it is in the manufacturer’s economic interest for journalists to like the new stuff but not like the older stuff. And that’s how it seemed to play.
So I became, at 12, a media cynic.
Jann Wenner owns Rolling Stone which he founded during the Summer of Love when I was 15. He can publish these stories that don’t appear — and will probably never appear — in the Wall Street Journal or New York Times mainly because his business is radically different from their businesses. Rolling Stone doesn’t look to Citibank or Morgan Stanley for advertising. And Jann Wenner has nobody to report to except himself. Like me, he doesn’t give a damn. Those other papers have shareholders and boards of directors that inevitably create a cesspool of interests and intrigue no matter what the church-versus-state rules are supposed to be.
This is not to say that the Journal and the Times won’t jump on this story at some point, but that point will carefully be after it is already too late. If Goldman CEO Lloyd Blankfein goes to jail, those papers will cover it, not predict it, and they certainly won’t make it happen. At best they’ll carefully explain the story after the fact.
If this was an equivalent crisis in the music business, would Jann Wenner cover that as zealously and risk offending his own advertiser base? I hope so, but maybe not.
We’re in the middle of a global trend toward media consolidation so what I decry here is only going to get worse. Against it our best hope isn’t Wenner — though he is for the moment my hero — it is the blogosphere, the edge of which you are touching right now. Longtime readers will recall dozens of pretty darned big stories of technological bullying and badness that were covered right here and often nowhere else. When I was beating the crap out of Microsoft over Burst.com, for example, reporters from Big Media kept saying to me, “I wish we could write stories like that.”
What was stopping them?
As the blogosphere evolves, my worry is that whatever independent voice or impact we have will be lost. I fear that the Huffington Post, for example, will be less useful to society as part of AOL than it was before.
Consolidation breeds mediocrity. What we need, then, are better ways to disseminate both information and opinion. The search engines can’t do it, or won’t. Google News won’t index this rag, for example, so what good is it? Is Google for searching or finding? More on that tomorrow.
We buy Rolling Stone just to read Matt Taibbi. You could also ask why Jon Steward is the best news anchor.
Taibbi is amazing. I can’t believe he doesn’t end up swimming with the fishes.
Glenn Greenwald at Salon is another of the rare writers worth his salt.
Griftopia is an excellent read if anybody has not done so already. If read nothing else of the book, skip to the chapter covering the Chicago parking meter fiasco. Also, Barry Ritholtz does a pretty good job of bashing Wall Street and the government:
https://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/05/jezebels-undermining-financial-overhaul
And his book, Bailout Nation is good, but not as entertaining as Matt’s Griftopia.
Hell, even Charlie Munger says Wall Street firms have only taken resources and produced little of any consequence is the past couple of decades.
Go ahead and publish more topics and links such as this Bob. This is far more important of an issue than birth certificates, death photos, The Donald, Lindsey, Charlie, and the iPhone/Pad (I bet the next one is more powerful than last model – who would have guessed).
I have been reading you columns for years but never posted but topics like this touch a nerve.
All the authors from the exiled are brilliant: read Mark Ames and Yasha Levine.
They hold up a mirror with excuse or apology.
Bravo. Amen. Huzzah. Right on. Dude!
p.s. “If this was an equivalent crisis in the music business …” is critical. Wenner’s heroism may be situational. But there’s a body of work there to analyze if an aspiring journalist or blogger cares to pursue it. And another shoutout to Matt Taibbi.
In a free society, the public usually gets what it wants. However, the American public has been so brainwashed by the mainstream media and beaten down by the monetary powers that they don’t really know what they want. As a result, they don’t demand that the New York Times or Wall Street Journal give them the straight scoop. (Wasn’t there a choice between a blue pill and a red pill in the Matrix movies? I forget which pill was the better one now. Master, Master – what should I do?)
I’d tell you which pill, but then I’d be removing your ability to decide the truth for yourself!
Anyone giving you crap for pushing this story on its own merits, or as exemplary journalism and important to the health of social media’s (which newspapers were always a part of) future, is just silly.
And I’m a pretty goddamn big geek.
Couldn’t have worded it better. In complete agreement.
[…] I, Cringely: …Frankly, I don’t give a damn. And it is important that I not give a damn, because […]
Robert,
Frankly I’m alarmed that you of all people have come to consider the vocal minority to represent the rest of us.
My only gripe about this otherwise brilliant column is your preface to the readers. While yes, the subject is only tangentially related to technology, it is, however, related directly to business which buys, sells, and advertises technology.
Frankly, I’m a little disappointed, not offended our outraged, but disappointed that you didn’t think that my fellow geeks and I were either circumspective enoughor perhaps not sophisticated enough to grasp the relevancy, insight, or ramifications of this article.
The subject of the lack of true objectivity inherent in the base architecture of most journalistic organizations has been a cocktail party punchline for those of us not in the profession for years. It is truly refreshing to see a respected journalist acknowledge and attack it cogently.
Looking at it objectively and ironically, Fox News, capitalized on this this fact and marketed themselves as the alternative to the tune of millions.
Thank you.
PS
Check out some the stuff Jeff Jarvis has written about WSJ and Murdoch’ “war” against Google using topic focus choice and coverage placement aa weapon
Sorry to offend you but every few thousand times someone tells me my work is crap I respond. I lead a public life so criticism comes with the territory but that doesn’t mean I’m immune.
That was a response to criticism? I thought it was just a clever hook for your story. It worked that way on me anyway: if Cringely is writing about something that will annoy lots of people, what could it possibly be?
Yeah, that was a response to criticism. Every time Bob writes about something other than technology and gadgets a someone or few complains, often petulantly. I didn’t for a moment take the intro to be a slam against technophiles’ interest or ability to absorb subjects in the wider world.
Well, here’s an immunization. Don’t let the SOBs get you down. Every last one of your columns have been well worth making the effort to access and read. Keep up the great work.
For those of you out there that don’t like Dylan – we’ll all be gone in a few decades and you can enjoy Justin Bieber in peace.
I just bought a two year subscription after reading Matt’s article. Thanks RXC.
Rolling Stone is giving their readers what they want: A scathing exposé reinforcing what the readership either wants to believe or already believes is true. Not that I doubt your reason’s why such pieces are noticeably absent in the NYT or WSJ; but let’s be realistic about the journalistic purity of RS and Matt Tiabbi. I know – these days that is almost as bad as saying Jon Stewart is an entertainer and not a news anchor.
Your prose is utterly worthless, unless and until you can point to a factual error in Taibbi’s writing. So far as I can find, no one has.
And Bob’s major point is critical: corporations are well on their way to creating, for their benefit and no one else’s, a “Robo Cop” world. Not a future that’s all that bright for the rest of us. Dictatorship by CEO. I’ve already copyrighted that; hopefully before anyone (Taibbi?) has.
Damn! I should have gone with my instincts and posted in haiku form.
LULZ
Not RobCop — Max Headroom would be a more accurate example.
ZicZac Corporation represents all that is avariciously evil about our media dominated hyper-consumerism culture.
I have yet to find anything untruthful in Tabbi’s work.
Absolutely.
The formatting here makes it hard for my “reply” to Tacos to be really caught. I mean, Tacos is right, RS is giving their readers exactly what they want. Big business is bad, but music and art are “pure”–as if somehow they are uncontaminated by self-interest. RXC, also a “writer” is also identifying with his craft, and since he so pointedly doesn’t “give a damn”, then he obviously does give damns.
Very thought-provoking. Thanks!
Through their opinion pages, the NYT has certainly not backed away from this story. Nocera, Mortgenson, Cohan and Krugman are just four of their regulars who have either reported or pontificated on the GS story. Taibbi’s articles are more like the great bar room summary of it all that appears from time to time.
The problem of consolidation isn’t that these complicated items are not covered but that the public is cheap and lazy. My peers, those aged between 25-40 spend their time watching sportszone or scrolling through inane facebook updates. Aside from the rare headline most people are unaware of anything outside their immediate circle or province. A trade magazine be it in aviation or computers will always tout the next great shiny new object; the web allows people for better or worse to focus on what they perceive to be relevant.
I’m an occasional NYT Op-Ed contributor as well as a pretty conscientious reader and I don’t agree with you. I’ve read nothing there that’s even close to this piece in Rolling Stone or the several that preceded it.
I thought his comment about it being a bar room summary was pretty apt.. Telling us how perceptive you were at age 12, but calling yourself a cynic, as if self-deprecating, also reveals your bias. Some of the articles in NYT (though I’m an irregular reader, ravenous enough when I can get it (same way with WSJ)) are honest enough about GS and the corporate condition for the space they get.
“This is one of those columns that will piss-off some of my geekier readers.”
The lady doth protest too much, methinks. 😉
Great piece Bob. I’m trying to get my head around the magnitude of what has happened.
To put it in an overly grandiose (and probably simplistic) way, I think that those of us who are geeks have a predisposition to improving the techniques we humans have developed to survive. These technological developments, how our society lives, can only improve with investments of effort. We’ve codified useful effort in the form of money, so that there is the least amount of friction in doing what we need or want. That is the job of financial institutions.
When those institutions get in the way of providing the lubrication of society’s efforts, by intercepting transactions and wrecking the value of money, they become parasitic. I think today we are living with a giant tape worm in our collective gut. Because we are therefore weaker, we can’t tackle the immediate threats to our survival with the vigor that is needed.
Is there a bigger crisis than this? And if we can’t even know what’s going on because the means of finding out has been corrupted as well, then we are running blindly off a cliff, geeks and all.
I’m going to stop reading this blog if you don’t write more columns on FLYING!
…of course I think all of your stuff is interesting (with the possible exception of that fire-drill one), and well worth the read.
Keep it up!
Have you ever seen a new movie review in Rolling Stone that did not provide a nice quote for the studio? “An action packed thrill ride” that stinks like a week old fish.
Yes, they have their bias too, as we all do.
Thanks Bob. I would not have found the article without your help.
One bad movie review from Rolling Stone coming up.
https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/reviews/something-borrowed-20110505
Bob, I first got my nose rubbed in advertising-led news and reviews by the Hi-Fi magazines, where it was quite obvious if you read more than two issues of the same magazine. When a new amp was reviewed, it was, as you describe, always faultless. Further, the next few issues pushed it as The Answer To All Problems in the reader help columns. Then suddenly it became the pits and readers that mentioned it in the help columns got treated as idiots for using such overpriced rubbish and were told to replace it immediately.
At the time I put this down to the reviewers and helpdesk guys getting backhanders from the manufacturer, but with hindsight it must have been editorial policy.
the rolling stone that this story appeared in had about two dozen pages dedicated to that irrelevant fossil bob dylan. it takes amazing content to overcome something like that, and matt taibbi again provides.
Careful there. Andy Hertzfeld thinks Dylan is God.
the cover said something like ‘happy 70th bob!’ i mean, wtf, this is exactly the starfscking failure-to-distance-from-the-subject problem that we have with the business rags not adequately providing taibbi-level coverage of the meltdown.
also, every molded-over artist from the 60s’ new album release is the best album they’ve released in years.
this is all orthogonal to your point–rs is doing some amazing important journalism and i’m proud to be a subscriber.
Dylan is a living monument
A monument to what?
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/opinion/10dowd.html
“They’ll complain that I am covering this subject at all, they will declare me dead or at least too stupid to be worth reading, and they will claim to be departing Cringelyville never to return. ”
Judging by the overwhelmingly positive responses thus far, all those geeks you referred to must have left after the fire drill post.
Keep writing what interests you. That’s what makes for compelling reading.
They never leave. They just shut-up because to do otherwise would have only confirmed my observation.
Until Jann Wenner and his RR Hall of Fame cronies get over their petty and increasingly irrelevent bias and finally induct Rush, he is Nobody’s Hero. (anyone catch what I did there?)
Bob,
I worked in advertising for InfoWorld in the mid-80’s (when IW was on Marsh Rd. in Menlo Park) and I would say there was for the most part separation of ‘church & state’ back then at IW…. some times certain articles on certain vendors would be delayed or watered down… but for the most part there was separation. The publisher regularly had to explain to advertisers why he couldn’t control John Dvorak and why having Dvorak in the back of the mag was good for them.
These days I work in product marketing and I can tell you that there publications and industry analysts who avoid your company/products if you don’t ‘pay to play’.
In fact on Network Computing there is a blogger who regularly hammers away at my company and our products without disclosing that his in primary business he sells our largest competitor. So do please be careful about pumping up bloggers.
I was at InfoWorld in those days, too. There’s a wall, but it is semi-permeable (I have stories on this). Bloggers are not without agenda, that’s for sure. So we all need to be media cynics, but at the same time we should celebrate when that cynicism is not confirmed. MY soul is certainly not for sale.
Dvorak and Cringely – both are an interesting and entertaining piece of work since I started reading their stuff in the late 80’s and early 90’s. I suspect that Cringely and Dvorak don’t see eye to eye on some (perhaps a even a lot) of issues, but they are my two independent and regularly read go-to-hell sources of this-is-interesting stuff.
Either one could write in a column that I’m ugly and dressed funny, and I’d be back for the next column…. but I would change clothes and wax my bald spot.
In the morning to everyone. http://www.noagendashow.com
I hope that Rolling Stone does not put up a paywall to access their online content.
Can I call your work here “definitely not crap” a few thousand times, to offset the trolls?
Regardless of whether this post is relevant or not to your blog’s official topic (and I believe others have pointed out that it is), I still enjoy hearing a programmer / technologist’s take on politically-tinged issues. In my (limited) experience, programmer-types seem to bring a certain rigor and objectivity to bear that is often lacking.
(I have theories about why this might be, but first let’s see if I get jumped on for suggesting it…)
You know, at the end of Stephen King’s Firestarter, they end up going to the only publication they can trust to publish what really happened – Rolling Stone.
Good article, Bob.
I worry though that blogsphere publications are never so visible as newsprint. People browse a news-stand, or a magazine rack. They see, they buy, they read.
I’m worried because hardly anyone I know seems to do what I do – take an interest in online publications. I would never have counted myself in any minority tech-wise, blog-wise, but I do worry that de-facto dissemination of news seems to be paper or TV.
So if one or other organization refuses to publish for one reason or another, then it doesn’t hit the public consciousness. They get away with it.
Another thing I’ve become alarmed about is how people go about searching for news. The phrase “Hmmm, I’ll Google that later” might cheer the hearts of the search giant but I hear something like it every day. It’s scary because it shows that people are viewing their online information in exactly the same way they view news-print or TV. “Feed me” rather than “let me look”. So though I’m not suggesting any bias at any particular search engine (the big G is just an example) it does highlight a reliance on a potentially controlled route to news stories.
I’ve got no answers but I like the cut of your jib mr C 😉
Comparing Rolling Stone against WSJ or NYT is apples and oranges. Rolling Stone is a pop culture bull horn, while the others are (ostensibly) news outlets. I’m glad you at least referred to Matt Taibbi as a writer (and he is a great writer), and not a journalist because he is about as objective as Rush Limbaugh.
But they are all, of course, media and so your larger point is absolutely true and worth talking/worrying about. Huge concentrations of power are not good under any circumstance; media, money, government, military or even religion. Bad things happen – REALLY bad things like coordinated propaganda, financial meltdowns, enslavement/genocide, coups and war.
The problem isn’t bias… it’s a lack of transparency.
“The truth (not media) has a liberal bias” therefore, it would seem the media must avoid the truth at all costs. Enter the interminable back and forth, pro and con arguments on cable and elsewhere which all but diminishes the truth as mere opinion.
Matt Taibbi is great, and so are you Mr. Cringely.
There a lot of personal reasons that do not care for Jann Wenner or Rolling Stone but I have been applauding the magazine’s reportage of the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and Mike Taibi’s take down of Wall Street and Goldman Sachs.
Why this prick hasn’t been hunted down, stripped of every cent he has squirreled away and violated and murdered hideously beyond belief is past the point of incredulity.
Link isn’t working, so here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Cassano. Whatever the price on Joseph Cassano’s head, it is not high enough.
Good article Robert.
Install Stat Press by Daniele Lippi, … you are being index’d. No conspiracy about that.
It’s all about plausible deniability. I worked IT in a media buying operation at a large ad agency for a bit. I asked why some of the buyers had offices and secretaries and others were cube rats. “some of them know who they can piss off” was the reply.
RXC,
Where does Bloomberg fit in your view about the lack of good journalism?
Haven’t had time to read the RS article yet tonight, but saw Bloomberg/Businessweek talks about the same issue and references RS.
https://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_21/b4229060222515.htm
spot on.
gospel truth.
I just googled “cringeley rolling stone” and this article appears as the top link.
The enthusiasm for walloping Goldman and the other banks has passed beyond rational comment. There is a wish to take revenge somewhere on somebody and the banks are always a handy whipping boy.
GS does have much to answer for its dissembling and dubious testimony under oath, but to get to this point a lot of other players had to get to do something stupid and /or dishonest. This in no way absolves GS but they did not engineer the crisis.
I most naturally look askance at the conspiracy theories of how “the American people have been played for suckers by the evil brilliance of the banks”.
It didn’t happen like that:the chaos ensued from people (yes, I am looking at you) allowing and even encouraging brokers to mislead the lenders (who did not include GS) to lend them amounts that left no room for any house price fall (if there was a house!)
The lenders anyway had become complacent about the long term substance of house prices so when they sold them off in tranches through such as GS the market put a high safety on these issues.
GS was one of the the first to spot the risks and in the rough and tumble of professional markets, caveat emptor has always prevailed. In the current climate maybe that can look deceitful, but I am quite certain that if you had suggested to Lehman that they were not smart enough to buy from GS they would have (wrongly) completely dismissed you. I don’t think Lehman et al expected to be spoon-fed but their greed to acquire earning assets backed by residential mortgages (=safe) got ahead of their diligent checking.
In the final analysis the market chaos was incredibly dangerous to GS as well as the others. If anyone believes that this dangerous chaos was GS’s wish, so they could somehow screw America and come out on top, then they are hopelessly deluded.
Continuing success, as fueled by bribery, corruption, inside information, program trading, special privileges, and great skill, naturally leads to arrogance of the highest order.
Perhaps a better way to explain things is that unregulated power leads to corruption and unlimited and unregulated power leads to unlimited corruption. The most skilled at attaining unlimited and unregulated power become a natural and well-deserved scapegoat. Of course, many people ate (or tried to eat) at that trough. The list of perpetrators is almost endless.
Coming at last to the government regulators (or more correctly — the unregulators), as the saying goes, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.”
Of course, this is just my opinion. I could be wrong.
The second paragraph has too many syntax errors. Where is WhiteSmoke when you need it? “My bad,” as the saying goes.
Correction to second paragraph:
Perhaps a better way to explain things is that unregulated power leads to corruption, and if unlimited, then this unregulated power leads to unlimited corruption. The most skilled at attaining this type of unlimited power become a natural and well-deserved scapegoat. Of course, many people ate (or tried to eat) at that trough. The list of perpetrators is almost endless.
(WhiteSmoke was no help at all.)
Granted “scapegoat” should be “scapegoats”. It looks like you found a less awkward way of saying the same thing but why blame the syntax?
Ronc,
You’re right, of course. This mishmash was entirely my own fault.
— Coming at last to the government regulators (or more correctly — the unregulators), as the saying goes, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.”
Is it your assertion that the current group of regulators (which, if you’ve been in DC for a while, you’ll know came up through Right Wingnut Admins, largely) is soft therefore we should:
a) blame the regulators (cops)
b) end regulation
c) revel in dictatorship of the CEO
???
Robert,
Although I don’t like to discuss politics or religion in public, since they are both such sensitive topics, I will reply to your question.
It is my contention that the monetary cabal (the Federal Reserve and other central and international banks) controls both political parties. This is why unbacked paper money, created out of thin air and not allowed by the US Constitution, exists today. This counterfeit money, which is to the great detriment of the people and only of benefit to the monetary cabal and their cohorts, is the ultimate source of our economic problems.
In answer to your questions:
a) I blame the regulators for allowing themselves to be agents of the corrupt monetary cabal. They know they are doing the work of the devil and should resign.
b) I do not wish to end regulation. Regulation is necessary to control the unlimited power of the monetary cabal. Rather I wish to end the issuance of counterfeit money (unbacked paper money created out of thin air by the Federal Reserve).
c) I don’t revel in any dictatorship. No single person or group knows what is best for everyone else.
Nice summation of the Republican National Committee’s talking points for Tuesday afternoon.
Your my hero Bob #;-)
Australia is also in the grip of similar ‘negative’ media forces.
Glad to see someone telling it straight.
Robert X. Cringely says:
May 13, 2011 at 1:19 pm
“I was at InfoWorld in those days, too. ….. MY soul is certainly not for sale.”
If your soul is not for sale why not tell people your real name?
What? You’re not allowed to use a pen name that you own due to long public use and a legal settlement? Why not? Isn’t it common for writers to use pen names? (After all, a pen name can have great value, like a well-known brand name.) Does anyone care that Mark Twain’s real name was Samuel Clemens?
hey bob:
nicely done. I hear ya about the comment trolls. they grow like fungus on every blog. drive me friggin’ nuts. I routinely log in and rip them a new one when it gets really bad.
a couple of thoughts re Rolling Stone and bloggers. haven’t read the Taibbi piece (but plan to, he’s a great reporter, the closest thing RS has had to Hunter S. since Hunter S.) but as others here have pointed out, RS is a whole ‘nother animal than the NYT or WSJ. different rules, different styles, different type of freedom (or lack thereof) for the writer. so the comparison is a bit off.
deux: yes, bloggers can be independent and thus a source of untainted coverage. but unlike you, most bloggers are not independently wealthy. they ARE for sale, to somebody, at some point. doesn’t mean they’re necessarily corrupt. it does mean that they need to respond to economic forces. and as news orgs die off and aggregators like huffpo suck up all the web traffic, they’ll turn to corporate sponsorship to survive. and of course, all corporations hire bloggers these days. and bloggers, desperately to fill pages, will often just ‘rewrite the press release’ instead of doing actual reporting. so I don’t put quite as much faith in that path to salvation as you do.
cheers
dt
>“Follow the money.”
Money is a major force but both carrots and sticks are used. Some american journalists (ie Glen Greenwald) are threatened with sticks.
The 50 Cent Party are blogger shills paid by the chinese government. The US government is doing the same thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing#Government
The US government has been doing this for decades.Carl Bernstein wrote an article about US government control of the media back in 1977: https://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php
>Jann Wenner is my hero
Glen Greenwald is my hero
I’m a very conservative person, so normally I would not pay a shred of attention to anything from Rolling Stone. Thanks for bringing this outstanding article to my attention. I was a CPA, have an MBA, audited banks and was the controller of a captive finance company, so I can follow the complex transactions and events that led to the meltdown. Jann Wenners’s analogies make the subject understandable for the average reader (better even than Michael Lewis in his excellent book The Big Short).
It’s appalling that Justice has failed to prosecute the key players in this disaster. But it’s disgusting that the so-called “main stream media” has failed to expose the deceit; in that respect they are just as culpable and even more hypocritical. Same for the players in government (elected and non-elected) who were also culpable. I’d like to see Wenner take on both of them as well. If he’s going to tell the story, he needs to tell the whole story.
It bears repeating: the GS folks who actually run these agencies (don’t for a minute think that Obambi showed up and the regulators went from obsequious to junk yard dogs) are now largely those recruited by Reagan and BushI/II. I worked for OPM, and if there were ever a ball-less regulator, that’s it. It takes time to infiltrate and promote; the Right Wingnuts have done that. Look no further than the Judiciary, where the shift is obvious.
Bob,
There is a crisis in the music business, and its called the internet. Rolling Stone has given it lots of column inches, including an “article” written by the manager of U2 bemoaning all these damn kids and their internets.
Why doesn’t Rolling Stone blow the cover of the music business? Why doesn’t it show how 80% of the money paid in goes to carrying costs, and not to value production? Why doesn’t in show that the business could show the same profit in dollars at 20% of the top line revenue by cutting out all that crap?
Why doesn’t it talk about how an extremely well-paid cadre of music middlemen is consistently unable to predict new popular music trends and get that music out in front of the pulbic instead of running behind the bus screaming that they’re “leading the industry”?
Why doesn’t Rolling Stone give as much cover space and coverage to bands with millions of MySpace and YouTube followers as it does to rock icons of the 1960s and 1970s? (Hint: Those Rock Icons have big label publishing deals and flacks who pimp out their Icons for cover photos which Rolling Stone has convinced itself sell magazines).
I love the non-music reporting in Rolling Stone. Heck, I love most of the music reporting in Rolling Stone. But lets not pretend that Rolling Stone publishes without any built in economic bias. Because it certain does.
RyanD
The Detroit News just a had a recent example of the semi-permeable membrane between editorial freedom and the publisher’s interests. An auto writer resigned in protest over heavy handed editing of a less than stellar review of the Chrysler 200 at the expressed urging of a News advertiser that remained unidentified. Apparently the News received considerable pushback from other sources and the writer came back to the News. Yes, it happens.
But, as others have correctly pointed out, RS made Jann Wenner a very wealthy man by aggregating content and then distributing an edition of that content about the pop music scene. His editorial team, by definition, edited that content prior to printing and distribution. That editing meant content was shaped in a deliberate fashion. Moreover, the editing process is at least as much (if not more) about what gets left out as it is what gets actually published. And Wenner got rich–can we speculate about what has been left on the editing room floor that contributed to Wenner’s income as we speculate about Bill Keller’s editorial hand that is contributing to a potential takeover of the Times by Carlos Slim?
You think MAYBE Jann Wenner wouldn’t be so objective to report on messes in the music business? Please. His pandering to the Big Label darlings is frighteningly obvious. Wenner’s pet project, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, has inducted ABBA, Madonna, and Neil Diamond and left out Meat Loaf, KISS, ELO and other actual rock groups. No offense to ABBA, Madonna, and Neil Diamond, but only in the Big Label music business could ANYONE consider them for a hall of fame supposedly dedicated to rock and roll. Sinatra and Sammy Davis will be next.
In corporate America the rewards are great but the punishment insignificant!
The issue of “Corprorate Communism” running the USA is nothing new. Naturally, the “Corporate Communists” uses the “standard” media to dis-inform (what else is new?); but, at the same time over the last 10 years, the trillionaire Koch brothers have trained and hire thousands of bloggers to spread more dis-information, in order to achieve the Kochian/NeoCon agenda.
So three cheers for Cringley (and a handful of others like: Consumer Reports, Democracy Now, Greenwald, Noam Chomsky, Groklaw et al.) for doing “it”.
No matter how well Matt Taibbi writes,or who publishes it, no matter how the actions of Goldman Sachs and other are exposed, nothing is done. There are no consequences for the actions that caused the great financial meltdown. That is both disturbing and sad, because they will continue.
I agree that the blogosphere is a nascent organism for investigative journalism, far more than a mere grapevine to circumvent commercially compromised big news (merged) corporations. This kind of journalism is a passion in the likes of Tiabbi and yourself; it’s irrepressible and regenerative. Its funding and distribution, however, is another matter. I’m more puzzled as to why articles such as Tiabbi’s haven’t been found more often on NPR or PBS, where the context would count for more credibility.
100 Years ago Congress was above dirty deals and controlled the robber barons of the railways. Today its is in the pay of them ( by asking for donations to be re-elected a $100 donations is forgotten but a $100000 has strings that tie the Member to the Will the donor not of the people).
There’s a saying about Nazis that “we did nothing when they took away the retarded we did nothing when they took away the homosexuals, we did nothing when they took away the Jews then no one was there to protect me when they came for me”
Well its the same with the Congress – you and me did nothing when money was spent to make laws easier for the powerful. We expected the Members to have our interests at heart and not the buying of Congress and the Executive.
Well that’s what you get when you say whats good for GM* is good for USA
The fault is ours; we let the buck passing right to the top — The President and Congress!
* Or railways or banks or Google or whatever!
There’s no mystery about why there haven’t been any convictions. Following the money leads straight to campaign contributions. And those people don’t want a real investigation with real responsibility. After all, heads might roll – and they’re in the food chain.
The people the heads are attached to want time to pass to let the trail go cold. It will come out when they feel confident the outrage will be blunted by time, and when their damage control mechanisms can pour water on whatever fire is left.
It’s how corruption works in a democracy.
This is reminiscent of “Crazy” Eddie Antar of the ’80s and his run from the law to Israel. I read an exposé in either Playboy or Hustler, can’t remember which.
(but I only read it for the articles)
From what I remember, I think Crazy Eddie’s fraud was eclipsed only by Enron.
Advertising is inherently deceptive and manipulative. Like the proverbial fish who is unaware of water it is difficult to grasp the extent of the corrosive effect of advertising that pervades our culture, economy, and politics. For example, I claim that the widespread acceptance of politicians telling obvious lies is based on the fact that we are numbed to lies by the constant bombardment of lies in advertising. Until consumers pay the cost information this must be the case. There is no free lunch. Microtransactions are the answer and are the inevitable winning strategy because good information is valuable and bad information ranges from useless to harmful.
Bob, you say that you write this piece despite your liking the New York Times and and that you “think the Wall Street Journal often does a pretty good job with its technology coverage”. So, does this mean that you do not like the Wall Street Journal in general? Or that you do not like the Wall Street Journal in the same way as the New York Times? I just thought it was interesting that you carved out a very specific component of the WSJ. I raise this issue because I think you made a tacit admission that you like the left-leaning NYT compared to the right-leaning WSJ. Just an observation. By the way, I loved your documentary, “Triumph of the Nerds”. George in Los Angeles.
George, you’re confusing the editorial pages of the WSJ and the NYT with the news sections. Seriously, outside the editorial page, where is the bias at either one?
It isn’t there. Often I see articles in the news part of the WSJ that contradict an editorial page piece on that same day. Columnists are slanted, that’s their job, but the news coverage? Show be a liberal bias in the news section of the NYT.
If anything, there is a pro-incumbent bias, probably to keep access. When Bush was in office, the NYT coverage was very sympathetic – pro invasion of Iraq, they had the illegal wiretapping story a couple of months before the 2004 elections but sat on it – for a year!
This myth of the NYT liberal bias, it was true 20 years ago, but hasn’t been true for at least a decade. The WSJ too is remarkably even-handed, it really isn’t a conservative paper in its news coverage.
Hey Bob!!! This is now the most recent column appearing on either cringely.com or http://www.cringely.com.
Strange, it just fixed itself when I posted the above link. Go figure.
Bob,
You are quoting Chomsky here, from “Manufacturing Consent”. Why news media cannot be “impartial”. Any media that depends on revenue stream is biased, just as any artist who lives from his art has “sold out” (Marcel Duchamp, “Go Underground”.)
cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model for more about Chomsky.
I still read every one of your articles!
(“Management by Baseball” remains a great recommendation… Are you still rowing?)
Ciao,
Bob
It begs the question whether a nation indoctrinated and stupidified by it’s media can actually be called free.
I’ll give anyone the same advice I repeatedly give my countrymen: watch/listen to foreign news programming.
Hi Bob – On your post…”they’ll complain that I am covering this subject at all”.
I think people have simply come to associate you with your past track record of high tech insights. So they come to your blog expecting that.
An idea might be to have a separate Blog for your economic and “other” stuff (non-tech). The Tech folks can read the Tech blog, and the rest read the other blog. This way the tech folks don’t get caught reading one of your posts, and then wonder why they are reading economic/other opinion piece – since its not what they really signed up for.
The story about Goldman is okay, but long on innuendo and light on substance. There is no smoking gun or actionable items. Taibbi has done better work at another time. The Journal and the Times are no doubt poking around looking for something with more staying power.
If you think the Times and WSJ are vigilant watchdogs you are sadly misinformed. They obfuscate and trivialize.
The irony of Goldman and others, bankrupting nations, destroying economies via palpable fraud – and having done nothing “actionable”. points to 2 things: the industry wrote the laws for their convenience, and -oh why bother.. if you can’t see it you won’t see it .
Peter – your reply is long on innuendo and short on substance.
OK, I have two questions, which may or may not be rhetorical. You decide.
Question #1: Why is anyone still doing business With Goldman Sachs? Since they have shown such a blatant disregard for any of the clients, preferring to dump their own losses on any inattentive idiot — why are they still in business? They should vanish overnight for lack of clients.
Question #2: Isn’t the fundamental principle of the industry Goldman Sachs is in, to sell product of x value for some value much greater than x? Did they not just take this principle to it’s logical extreme?
[…] by Matt Taibbi. It’s called “The People vs. Goldman Sachs“. Cringely actually pointed me there since I read his blog regularly. We have hard proof of wicked deceitful actions from the lowly […]
I just thought it was interesting that you carved out a very specific component of the WSJ. I raise this issue because I think you made a tacit admission that you like the left
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