Long before I became involved with technology I worked as a reporter in the Middle East. My work there introduced me to many important characters of that era. Some of them, like Yassar Arafat of the Palestine Liberation Organization and King Hussein of Jordan, are long gone from the scene. I effectively predated Mubarak, and in those days Bahrain was mainly known as the only place on the Gulf where drivers were polite and you could legally buy a drink. But one constant that remains is Colonel Qaddafi of Libya, though he’s not what this column is about. It’s about Major Jalloud, Qaddafi’s right-hand man.
I have no idea if Major Jalloud is still alive or not. Certainly he doesn’t come up in a Google search past the early 1990s. But that doesn’t matter because whether his name is different or not, there will always be a Major Jalloud in Qaddafi’s Libya. And that’s why we’ve seen so far 200 protesters die in that country.
I’ve always been struck by the similar styles of Qaddafi and Fidel Castro of Cuba. In fact I think Qaddafi based his public persona on Castro, they are so much alike. These men rose as revolutionaries, remember, and like to be identified with their military backgrounds. But going further, they’ve deliberately tried to maintain a common touch by Castro wearing fatigues, never a dress uniform, and Qaddafi — an absolute dictator — never taking a military rank above colonel.
Both men pretend to answer to some form of revolutionary council, to be not above the law — their law, of course. And each tries for folksy touches to connect himself with the common people. For Castro it’s baseball (he’s a pitcher, or was) and for Qaddafi it’s embracing a Bedouin heritage that’s not real for him or for his largely urban nation. He camps-out in the desert with his tent and his carpets, his air conditioning and satellite TV.
In order to maintain that folksiness while at the same time run a ruthlessly repressive regime, both men have been very successful in pushing down by one level the bad-guy role. The muscle starts somewhere just below the top, and in Libya that’s with Major Jalloud.
Thirty-five years ago when I knew him, Qaddafi was a young gun and very full of himself, but the sense I always had was that he knew it was all for show and he didn’t really take himself too seriously. I asked him one time, for example, how to spell his name. After all we’ve seen it in print with a G and a K and a Q: which did he prefer? “Spell it any way you like, ” he said (in pretty fair English, by the way — something else that seems to have strategically disappeared over the years). “All that matters is spelling it correctly in Arabic.”
Major Jalloud was something altogether different. Qaddafi’s second-in-command back then, he either didn’t know there was showbiz in the Colonel’s act or he simply didn’t care. Jalloud saw his role as extending the rule of a ruthless tyrant as efficiently and as far as possible. My friend Jacek Kalabinski, who was covering Libya for the Communist radio network in Poland at that time, though he later became a leader himself in the Solidarity movement, put it best: “You can see death in Jalloud’s eyes.”
At the heart of every command decision for Jalloud was the option that someone would die, or at least that‘s the way it seemed. You could joke a bit with Qaddafi, as you can imagine I did, but not with Jalloud, who appeared to have no sense of humor at all.
Nor did anyone who worked for Jalloud. They all believed the revolutionary rhetoric and were determined to enforce it as needed against the people of Libya — killing citizens if they must to preserve the revolution that had freed those very people from the long-forgotten monarchy.
Libya had probably needed political change back in 1969 when Qaddafi and others (conveniently gone shortly thereafter, notice) took down the monarchy. I think history will show, though, that the cure was worse than the disease.
So now we have Libyan troops killing Libyan citizens in both protests and funeral processions. This is completely consistent with Major Jalloud. And it will continue until the government falls or all the protest leaders are dead. Not until the protests end — until the leaders are dead. That’s Major Jalloud’s way and the people of Libya probably know that by now.
Libya is not Tunisia, not Egypt, and not even Saudi Arabia. Libya is a case unto itself. Today’s version of Major Jalloud will see the protests there quickly over followed by months of assassinations to make sure they never happen again. Or if new protest leaders keep emerging to replace those who fall, then Libya, too, may experience regime change, which I guarantee will involve at some point an attempt by Colonel Qaddafi to resume his revolutionary identity and claim leadership of the very movement that is against him now.
Hopefully that dodge will fail, but it will inevitably involve Qaddafi turning on Jalloud, trying to make his number two into the bogeyman before having him killed.
“Scary, isn’t he? ” Qaddafi once asked me of Jalloud.
Yes.
Update — A very helpful reader, Mohammad, has been monitoring the Arabic-language version of Google news for this story and has information to add: “Looking him up in Arabic reveals that he (Jalloud) went behind the scenes in 1993, due to some disagreements with the Qaddafi. However, it seems Qaddafi tried to put him back in one political position back in Nov 2010, and some of the comments on that page suggests that he was being prepared as a scapegoat for the future (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/Arabic/Politics/%3Fid%3D3.1.1167196587)- his name is translated by Google to as Leather (Jalloud is a version of an Arabic word meaning Leather). News just came that Qaddafi tried to put him in charge now to lead the anti-protest efforts in Benghazi but he refused (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=ttp://aawsat.com/details.asp%3Fsection%3D4%26issueno%3D11773%26article%3D609158%26feature%3D, last few paragraphs). It is very sad to see what is happening over there in Libya, and I hope it will not become another genocide as the regime is bringing in mercenaries from Zaire to kill the demonstrators according to eyewitnesses, probably since the country’s own army is not willing to go against the people to the level the Qaddafi wants it to.”
I knew Khadafi spoke English because my secondary school Latin teacher once recanted the story of how, as a British Army Captain before the coup, he’d been the one who taught English to him. He was described as a ‘very good’ English speaker – these days he simply chooses not to, apparently.
Bob, if Qaddafi falls and the new movement has the brains not to embrace him into the new fold, do you have a prediction on who will fill the vacuum? What will become of the military structure already in place? I imagine there’d be a long line of folks from Jolloud down who’d not go gentle into that good night.
He’s more commonly known as Jalloud than Jolloud, but a quick search on google still doesn’t say anything about what he’s been doing since the 1990s when he fell out with Gaddafi.
From Wikipedia: “Andrew F. Ensor, who negotiated the oil prices on behalf of the world’s seven largest oil companies said that during the negotiations Jalloud kept a pistol on the table in front of him.”
The Gaddafi/Jalloud double act sounds to me like a typical nice cop/ nasty cop routine.
I’ll fix the spelling, thanks.
Bob
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Thanks for confirming what I always feared about Libya.
The guy at the top may seem a little quirky…. but his enforcers are cold hard killers.
I suspect the horror is only starting to unfold.
Ah, so you have a bit of Stratfor in you after all. Very good.
I have no idea what you mean.
Go to Stratfor.com. You’ve often written about how to scale your column to something else (the Huffington Post column being the latest). I may be wrong, but I see the possibility of your brand growing into something like Stratfor.com except that is relates to technology rather than geopolitics (although those paths cross now and again). It seems to me that you’re becoming THE GUY to read when it comes to how technology affects and will affect our lives. That’s all I meant. Sorry for the confusion.
So was Jalloud the one really behind the Lockerbie/Pan Am bombing?
No, that was Quadaffi, though whoever replaced Jalloud probably planned the details.
So… There are these people who keep screwing up and costing taxpayers a fortune. You get some one like Jalloud to put the fear of God into them. If they don’t start behaving themselves, you call in the muscle guy. Next thing you know, it’s in all the papers. “Mr. XXX found floating in the XXX River! The country mourns his passing.”
I remember a BBC World Service news report…
Recently a group of armed men in civilian clothes disrupted the Ugandan Supreme Court chamber and kidnapped the Chief Justice. Today his body was pulled from the river that flows through the capital city. President Idi Amin has made no public comment …
Mr Moorehead: for which country were you proposing that “solution?”
Bozo,
You certainly didn’t take my comment seriously, did you? It was just a comment on the peculiar aspects of human nature.
For example, it’s human nature for any group or person in a position of power to think of themselves as “knowing what’s best for everyone else.” Then it’s a short jump in logic to believe that anyone opposing them deserves to be killed or hushed up somehow. Like President Kennedy, maybe.
Of course in the Western world, we don’t allow that kind of nonsense. Do we?
No one took Malik Nadal Hasan seriously, either. (Just a comment on a certain aspects of “human nature.”)
I was wondering if after 40 years you wouldn’t have a new generation of officers eager enough to progress by themselves and overthrow Kadaffi out, siding with the protesters… Has most of these situations everything lies in what the army does or not does…
It looks like Qaddafi may well have lost factions of his own army. From what I am hearing he’s bringing-in mercenaries from Zaire to do at least some of the dirty work.
Yes, there was an interesting contemporaneously translated live phone call on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme about how a camp containing a platoon of these guys had been surrounded and torched by protesters. Apparently the regime will pay the mercenaries a bounty for every Libyan protester they kill.
Is there a reason for you to write about this ? Isn’t this a technology column ?
I’ve always read Cringley for his perspective. I appreciate that he brings more to the table than a mere technological myopia. His larger vision make him human and informs his opinions. Moreover, any long career virtually assures interesting experiences that enable a more enlightened view.
And you are … ?
Not an asshole.
I mainly write about technology but I have no obligation to do so. I write about what I damn well feel like writing about. I have no editor, no publisher, no bosses of any kind except of course for Mrs. Cringely and her incessant sexual demands.
For all your complaining I might point out that the occasional diversion won’t hurt you. And if you think this particular topic is being covered as well anywhere in the English language media you are wrong. It’s sad to say, but even the New York Times and the BBC are behind me on this story.
I’m usually not at all interested in politics and have gone so far as to block the popular twitter hash tags for the events in the Middle East as they generally “muddy up” an otherwise very informative news stream. I’m aware that big and historic things are happening, but I would prefer to read about them on Wikipedia than on my normal tech news streams
Having said that… I did find this article to be interesting and am glad that you posted it. There is more going on in the world than technology and sometimes it is important to be reminded of that. If someone that I respect has an occasional valuable insight about a world topic then I am glad to listen to it. As another excellent example, I learned more about diabetes and how it affects people from the occasional posts on Scott Hanselman’s tech blog then anywhere else.
https://www.hanselman.com/blog/DetailsOnThe2010DiabetesWalkAndAThankYou.aspx
So thanks and keep up the great work!
Since you won’t pat yourself on the back on the matter, the experience and perspective you gained over there as a journalist is really valuable. Keep sharing it with us, it may help someone if they have to do technology business in that culture.
I for one am happy to read your thoughts on Ghadaffi and his underlings. It seems your political writing is as interesting as your technology writing.
What surprises me is that you comments regarding Castro and comparisons to Ghadaffi did not raise the ire of many readers. It seems that many people hold him in high esteem (especially in Silicon Valley where I work). I’ve met many people who have travelled there and describe Cuna in utopian terms which leads me to suspect their mental well being.
I am glad you wrote this post, Bob – thank you for sharing your perspective.
Abdul Salam Jallod (December 15, 1941) – a leading corner. Officers of the Liberal Unionists. Participated in the Revolution of September 1969. Member of Revolutionary Command Council in Libya. Prime Minister in the period from July 16, 1972 to March 2, 1977.
Considered the second man in Libya after Colonel Muammar Gaddafi even shying away from formal work after the Lockerbie case where away college about everything related to the system since May 5, 1993 It is believed that the main reason for the isolation of the leading Leather is the decision taken by Colonel Gaddafi to visit Libyan pilgrims to Jerusalem under the pretext of the blockade, where Bear Alkhalafbin men what was the only
Jallod that left the Libyan policy, leaving his position as a second in the Libyan state [citation needed]. He currently lives in Tripoli. Took many of the tasks in the period from 1969 until being dismissed in 1992.
-Vice President of the cabinets and the Minister of Interior and Local Government January 16, 1970
-Minister of Finance – October 1970
-Minister of Economy and Finance and Industry – August 13, 1971
-Prime Minister – July 16, 1972 until 1977.
-Member of the Secretariat of General People’s Congress (Presidential Council).
Interesting . . . is it the case that behind every great leader is a right hand man who does the messy stuff that needs doing? With Abe Lincon it was Stanton (who had deserters shot over the pleas of their wives and children). With the Japanese Emperor, it was the shogun.
Sometimes the right hand man takes over outright; the smart ones leave the leader as a figurehead. But sometimes they don’t . . . apparently Mubarak was implicated in the demise of Sadat . . . Stalin was Trotsky’s right hand man (Trotsky ended up with an icepick in his head) . . . I don’t think Stalin had one himself, unless it was Felix Derginsk, head of the secret police.
As Yoda said about the Sith Lords: “Always two there are, a Master and an Apprentice, never more and never less . . “.
Anyone who thinks this is a technology only column has not read it for long, as it seems to me to be a column about the real forces behind events and the road ahead, mostly in the technology industries. I’ve always appreciated the effort understand the game behind the news and to look down the road several steps.
It would seem that there are several factors that have to “go right” in order for a revolution to benefit the populace (democracy, or a progression towards it). Anywhere along the chain of events, things can get derailed. There are the dictator, his henchmen, the army, and then any other people waiting in the wings and their organizations. A lot of the established people have everything to lose and some of the other people just want to take their place.
The recipe for a “good” revolution must be somewhat complex and fairly difficult to achieve However, there is prior art, so there can be a short cut over the several hundred years it took to evolve before, assuming their are people around to implement that prior art. The goal of the henchman, from what Bob is saying, is to kill off everyone who could make it happen, delaying a serious revolution for another generation. An evil inverse meritocracy. Sad that the hope of a generation is to be burned away.
This post seems strangely familiar.
I think the Independent reporter Robert Fisk wrote about the same man quite a few years ago
Could be. A lot of us knew him.
Kaddhafi is everywhere in Libya. His picture and the green color.
Politics is simple!
It follows the Maslow’s hierarchy of needs Keep the pundits happy!
Where it becomes difficult is the desire to maintain ones power. ‘The divine right of kings’ and ‘god says so’ are just some examples. Leaders even democratic ones love the absolute feeling of power — what makes a great leader is to hold off their use of power.
When Maslow’s needs are not fulfilled worry – Unless you have a good masochist theology or a strong arm!
USA is not immune to this Maslow’s hierarchy of needs but it has divided the needs into Main Street and Wall Street. Wall St. is in the lead but when is the inflection point?
Personally I think that Qaddafi took up tent living because the F-111s might return “real soon.”
Your wording implies you may have been in Tripoli at some time. Did you visit the little grave yard of the Intrepid sailors?
I for one welcome the perspective and the attention Bob is bringing to this matter. It looks like everyone in that region is reading from the same book on how to treat a ‘revolution’, even though everything the Qaddafi have been doing so far, cutting off communication, shooting on protestors ..etc, failed to work in neighbouring revolutions.
Bob was right about Qaddafi strategy; Gen. Jalloud was reportedly asked to come in a new position back in Nov 2010 after being out of lights since 1993, some say being prepared as a scape goat in case things go sour. He was reportedly asked to lead the anti-protest efforts in Benghazi in the last couple of days, to which he reportedly refused. Qaddafi is reportedly using mercenaries from Africa to commit genocide against his people. Eyewitnesses from the streets and pictures are confirming that.
What is amazing is the national TV is showing cartoons and folklore dances, while at the same time someone from the Foreign Ministry goes on Al-Jazeera TV to say that this is all a lie and there is nothing happening and all of this is ‘fabricated’ and exaggerated. They think they can control the news and the perception of the people at this age.
For more of the latest news, check https://www.libyafeb17.com/ or visit http://english.aljazeera.net/. CNN seems to finally been able to bring the first western journalist into Libya, so expect (hopefully) more eyewitness news over the next 24-48 hours.
I salute Bob for bringing in an international perspective to his column, one that many readers are missing in their regular ‘buffet’ of news. I welcome any diversion from technology to understand the world, even if it only pushed people to go and Google ‘Libya’ for a minute or two.
Interesting how you use the word ‘genocide’ … I’m sure Cringely feels complimented by your salutatory praise of his internationalist perspective and solidarity with the Libyan forces for enlightenment and his diligent efforts to raise the consciousness American techno masses to the plight of the oppressed Berbers… and so forth.
I understand why Bob would write about this since he had some personal involvement in the past. However, I’m not sure I gained much knowledge about the issue since I already knew he was a tyrant with henchmen to do the dirty work.
Good one (the colonel is going down):
https://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MB23Ak01.html
Libya had the highest per capita income; highest per capita Tv sets(bad thing), etc.
The irony is that leaders that do better than bring literacy, education, health are brought down in a color revolution by a populace with cellphone in hand, wearing shoes while the true despots have a population too calorie-starved to revolt…
You must know Linya did _not_ do Lockerbie ?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trail-Octopus-Beirut-Lockerbie-Inside/dp/074751562X
Good similar analysis from Gwynne Dyer, ever-bright and entertaining (sort of like a Newfoundland version of Robert X?): http://straight.com/article-375919/vancouver/gwynne-dyer-libya-and-bahrain
I guess one of the hazards of being a dictator is you eventually become completely out of touch with reality . . .
My father worked in Libya from about 1990 to 1994. I visited him in 1992. Libya is an Islamic country but since I am male, it didn’t bother me much. In the expat village where he lived, in Tripoli, they were on the Med. and it was great. My father would swim in the evenings and I hung out on a small beach, slept and read. The biggest culture shock for me was daring to eat with my left hand (I’m left handed) and getting into a little trouble. I lucked out and went on a trip with a Dutchman, his family and we went to Ghadames. Being in the desert and seeing swimming in an oasis was also awesome. My father successfully exported Ghadaffi’s 3 volume set on his theories of governance and social leadership. My father was also an “Anglican minister” and received a copper plate as thanks for his service. At least expats, rich and poor lived in a parallel society, as they usually do.
However, what many people do not know is that I also visited the Roman ruins, with no one there and we peered into a small museum. The Roman ruins in and around Tripoli are pretty good shape and there were no crowds, you’re free to explore and enjoy yourself and try to imagine what it may have been like, roughly 2000 years ago.
Libya will survive Ghadaffi and I think some of the backlash is that they have simply been in power for too long and rot has firmly set in.
On the other hand there is America where incumbents are reelected 90% of the time, and there is Canada where we have a minority government and our prime minister has openly discarded democracy when it suits him…
In the early 1980s a fellow grad student from Libya refused to talk about *anything* to do with Libya… or anything to do with politics, even U.S. politics.
One day I said to him: Qaddafi’s spies are even here, aren’t they?
He never spoke to me again.
(He knew I had been in Libya, but that was in the time of Idris.)
Qaddafi, what the hell
Thanks for the digression Bob, you’re a free man after all (except for Mrs Cringely :-), no reason not to write about things you know something of… I liked the “Moon” stuff too, what happened to that ?
Unfortunately for the Lybian population, events since you posted this show that your prediction was just a little bit too accurate…
Good article. (My father was British Council representative in Tripoli, 1962-68 and thereafter took a post at the University of Libya until he was expelled in 1972.)
I too have been waiting for the re-emergence of Major Jalloud, but it is possible that he has been genuinely side lined by Gaddafi’s own children. He will be high on the list of people that many Libyans would like to see on trial.
Hey Bob, I don’t think this is the first time you’ve mentioned Libya. I’m too lazy to look it up, but didn’t you talk about Qadaffi/Jalloud as a comparison to Bill Gates and his legal team during the anti-trust trials, or thereabouts?
Didn’t you get it exactly wrong? His second in charge has turned on him and he’s staying to fight the battle, not use a scapegoat. And I damn hope he loses!
Apparently Qadaffi is also importing some of Mugabe’s henchman to help quell the protests. Guess Qadaffi and Mugabe make good bed fellows.
Gadaffi does not wear that nobel medallion around the neck, nor does he use drones of the unmanned kind…
Used air force to destroy ammunition depots to prevent them falling into wrong hands
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https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/0331/What-Qaddafi-loses-with-Moussa-Koussa-s-defection
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