I ran my own mail server for many years until the end of 1999 when we moved out to the Wine Country boonies where the only broadband service back then was by satellite. I couldn’t run my own server but still wanted a cringely.com address so I fell back on what seemed to be the simplest alternative, which was e-mail through my domain registrar, Network Solutions. What a mistake.
We all have friends who claim to have had a more-or-less continuous headache since, say, 1946. That’s how I feel about Network Solutions mail. It was never very good, but I was lazy and it was better than nothing… until this weekend when they appear to have lost forever more than 200 of my incoming messages.
My e-mail just stopped arriving shortly after midnight on Friday. I waited until morning then called support and was told the problem was a system upgrade that should have taken five minutes but was then well into its 12th hour. I’d been through this with the previous upgrade, which they eventually reversed it was so terrible, going back to the bad old code that at least functioned, however slowly.
No messages would be lost, they said, just delayed, and they’d call me as soon as the upgrade was complete. I’m still waiting for that call.
At the time of that first call to support I simultaneously filed a support ticket through the Network Solutions web site, which promised a human response within 24 hours. Thirty-six hours later I am still waiting.
About 20 hours after the problem began 3-4 messages burped-through. In the same 20 hours a week earlier I received 196 messages. So I called tech support again, explaining the problem for a second time.
“Everything is functioning normally,” they said.
What about that system upgrade, was that problem solved?
“The upgrade is still in process, but that shouldn’t keep you from getting messages, ” they said.
I have all my mail since 1992, I explained, and there isn’t a Saturday in that entire time when I received less than 80 messages. Today I got only four.
“Maybe they are stuck on the server,” the tech suggested. So she rebooted the server. No luck.
“Maybe your mail is being rejected as spam,” she suggested. “Send us copies of all messages you didn’t receive including their IP addresses.”
I am not making this up.
How am I supposed to send them copies of messages I didn’t receive, including their IP addresses? Sorry, I didn’t pay for Network Solutions quantum e-mail, though perhaps I should have.
Was spam filtering changed as part of the system upgrade? I asked.
“No.”
So if my mail is being rejected as spam the change is for no known reason. And if, for that unknown reason, my legitimate e-mail messages have disappeared from people who have been writing to me for two decades, what happens to those messages? Are they quarantined somewhere?
“No. If a message is tagged as spam by the system it is deleted and no records are kept. Such messages cannot be recovered. But this shouldn’t keep you from getting messages,” the supervisor said, making no sense at all. At least I’d moved-up one support level.
And I suppose she was correct, because messages continue to dribble through, one or two per hour, and about two thirds of those are spam. But the support techs still see no messages stuck on the server.
“We have thousands of customers and you are the only one complaining about this problem, ” they lied.
My wife is having it, too.
“Then we have thousands of customers and you and your wife are the only ones complaining about this problem.”
It’s my own damned fault.
I’ve known since the beginning of our relationship that Network Solutions is a technically incompetent organization. At least that has always been my experience. Their services are poorly designed, prone to failure, and too expensive. Most of the time they have no idea what’s really happening with their own system. I suspect this is because engineering regularly lies to support which then lies to me whether they know they are doing so or not.
They are never proactive, reaching-out to me when there is a problem. They appear never to have support updates for major system problems on their homepage, apparently preferring to pretend such problems don’t exist.
Their answers to problems caused by their own incompetence is nearly always an offer to move me to a more expensive version of the same service, which sounds to me like a protection racket.
Support, which appears to come from India, is unfailingly pleasant but also unfailingly useless.
So if you sent me an e-mail message this weekend and I didn’t reply, now you know why. Please resend. But wait a few hours so I can move my service to Google Gmail for Domains, which my friends love and also happens to be free. I’m tired of paying for a service I don’t receive.
My only hope is that Network Solutions doesn’t screw-up the transfer.
Sorry to hear about your email problem. That really sucks. I’ve never dealt with Network Solutions but your glowing endorsement ensures that I will get right up off the toilet in 15 minutes and open an email account with them 😉
I was going to email you a question but clearly you might not receive it so I thought I’d post it here. I have been looking into the Liquid Metal Technology that Apple just purchased a perpetual license for and wanted to know your opinions regarding the scope of that purchase and if you feel Apple will start incorporating the use of this alloy in their electronics in the near future.
Thanks in advance for your insight.
Al
Bob, what was the first email you ever received?
Also, loved the line about friends with continual headaches.
First ever? At Stanford in 1977 on the Low Overhead Timesharing System (LOTS) running on a DEC20.
Can you give a summary of the oldest e-mail in your archive?
-Dave
Yea, they suck. Somebody stole my credit card number from them and used it. Thankfully my credit co. caught the fraud in time. What domain registrar should I use?
I can;t give any advice on this, really. I have onyl one domain still at Network Solutions and I guess I’ll move that, too. I have many at GoDaddy, but their marketing has become so annoying I am looking for a new home for those, too.
Well, there are a few million to choose from, but you will find that a large percentage of those are GoDaddy affiliates (through their wholly-owned subsidiary, Wild West Domains). Domain registration has gotten to be pretty much a commodity item, so by and large, it doesn’t make a lot of difference which registrar you use — with the exception of Network Solutions, which uses dishonest marketing techniques (one of which snared the folks at my Lions Club — before I got there — who were wanting to build a club website — I still haven’t wrestled one of the domains away from them, because they use dishonest techniques to keep it). They are the crooks that send out “renewal” notices that are actually misleadingly and dishonestly-worded transfer requests. You deal with assholes and crooks, you get screwed.
GoDaddy may be overbearing on the marketing, but so far, I haven’t caught them lying like Network Solutions. So far.
This sounds like a spoof e-mail. I have received them and a customer or two has. They look like e-mails from network solutions saying you need to renew your services. But it turns out to be a fake website and they steal your domain. I even had one that was from a lawyer telling me I would do jail time if I did not surrender my domain to his client. I replied and told them to take it up with ICANN. That was 4 years ago and I still have the domain.
How does the old saying go; don’t believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. When it comes to e-mail don’t believe any that have a link in them.
gandi.net — not the cheapest, but you’ve got to like an outfit whose tagline is “no bullshit”.
I will second gandi.net. Been using them for… at least 5 years I think. They fit my definition for “smooth working”: minimal interaction with support. I just pay for a year then forget about it. If you end up calling support for any reason then it’s by definition not a flawless service.
Oh and it’s true their domain prices are higher than elsewhere but the thing is, I pay them gladly.
Ditto on Gandi. Been using them for 10 years. Since getting hosed by Net-S.O.L. and unhappy they seem to believe your domain name is their intellectual property.
“You don’t own a domain name any more than you own your phone number.”
— Phil Sbarbaro, NSI’s legal counsel, on NSI’s registrar policy
Gandi’s been reliable and reasonably priced.
I heartily endorse EasyDNS.com as a domain registrar and mail forwarding agent. I have all my domains with them and love their service.
You’re lucky to have waited until now to make the leap to Google Apps for Your Domain. I got one as soon as they were available and that upgrade that lets you log in to other sites like Google Reader and Google Voice has been a bit of a pain. Google Reader was easy, Google Voice was switched with no problems, but Google Analytics and Google AdSense are still screwed up and support is difficult and time-consuming through Google Groups.
But despite all that, GAFYD (I think they dropped FYD but I’m old school) is pretty great. I’ve been able to create a system where every single website that I sign up on, I can create a custom email address on the spot and have them all come back to the same spot automatically, without any administration. (And the ability to block that single email address if it does ever get stolen and become a source of spam.)
I use GoDaddy.com for registration but not sure what you mean by marketing. I only hear from them when it’s time to renew or confirm my identity for ICANN.
My domains are registered through GoDaddy but my domain email is through GMail. I don’t know if that makes any difference but the GoDaddy advertising is minimal. That may also be because I took a couple of seconds in my profile to opt out of all communication from them except the stuff directly related to managing my registrations.
I’ve used easyDNS for many years — and for many domain names — and have never had a problem.
I like http://www.NearlyFreeSpeech.net. They are straight up and honest, sometimes to the point where I cringe on their behalf. When something goes wrong, which is not often, they tell exactly what happened (example). Don’t be fooled by the homepage which only mentions web hosting, they do domain registration too.
Such is the state of affairs with capitalism. The objective is not customer service. It is maximizing profit.
It is interesting that you couch your comment in terms of capitalism. Having worked in a few socialist and communist countries I don’t recall experiencing exceptional customer service in any of them. In fact I’d say that capitalism usually makes customer service BETTER, not worse. After all I am free to leave Network Solutions at any time. Or were you just trying to sound smug?
Sometimes the call of money drowns out the customers.
one is ONLY FREE to leave Network sol, when they so choose. As you yourself pointed out, they do everything humanly (and demonically I would add) possible to keep a domain snared in the virtual hell they call the Solutions Nirvana. I moved a domain out from them (it) 2 weeks ago. The process took the best part of a month with all the protestations, don’t go’s, we have to support 15 starving grandkids… AND the delightful, email to the registered domain owner, “your domain is about to be moved, click here if you have any questions to stop this”
IF you do ANYTHING other than ignore/delete the mail, ie reply with a friendly request for more info, the transfer is refused.
Oh, and even if you manage to jump through all the hoops (here my friendly brilliant local registrar was of inestimable value) it still takes an additional week for NS to click the button releasing the name.
Sometimes the only freedom seems to be which pain lever to pull.
Yes, I am all to familiar with this. But my ISP was Earthlink. I was actually fired as a customer – after 14 years!
The funny thing is I also got the same question: Can you send us a copy of the email you did not receive?
Moved my email to Google Apps. We have a few minor issues but overall it has be great.
Ralph, you are my brother.
Cool! What for dinner?
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I foresee a Google Apps convert named Cringely.
I was going to ask you where customer service / support was hosted – with a good idea of what the answer would be – but I see you answered that near the end of the article.
My comment here is not about India-bashing (there is enough of that already, and in my opinion much of it well-deserved), it’s about the sad state of customer support provided by Big American Companies. I cannot comment on Big U.K. Companies, Big German Companies, etc. because I just don’t deal with them often enough.
I spent nearly 3 hours on the phone with 8 different United customer support people last week trying to get a flight changed. There were website problems (3 huge hiccups, including 2 that said “Fatal Error” on HTML served up by the server), communications problems, ticketing problems, email problems, etc.. I’m pretty high up in the mileage/rewards program (last 5 years either Premiere Executive or 1K). But calling late Friday evening, I could not get an American, even with the “hotline” phone # I had. I kept getting “I’m sorry for your trouble sir, I understand your frustration” but I never got anyone to take ownership of the problem.
At the risk of sounding like an asshole, I wanted to talk with an American who could relate to *my* situation, who was an employee of the company (not a 3rd-party outsourced call center), who realized that *my* business was a direct contributor to his/her job. Someone who valued my business. I don’t care if someone likes me, I don’t want the person to empathize with me from a social perspective, I just want someone who realizes that keeping me happy – and even keeping happy those who don’t spend around $50k/year on travel – has an impact on job security & pay. Call center employees just don’t have that sense of ownership.
I guess what I’m trying to say – since this “rant” might seem tangential – is that shit happens – at United, at Network Solutions, etc… Even though NetSol seems to be the bottom of the barrel, I bet if you (Bob) had received excellent, competent and speedy customer service & problem resolution (i.e. all of your email back), you would have – mabye – considered staying. But when the person on the other end is reading off a script, is totally uninvested in your satisfaction, etc… you are really alone. It’s a horrible feeling. The overseas (NOT offshore – Catalina is offshore from me – INDIA is OVERSEAS) call center drones are neither invested nor empowered.
You might write about this in a future article. The companies that find a way to be cost-competitive without alienating their customers in distress – the ones who find a viable alternative to this overseas call center quagmire – are the ones who will prosper in the long term.
Many years ago my last job at one of the world’s larger computer companies was running support programs. Toward the end of my tenure there the company had leadership that frankly didn’t value support all that much. The guy I am thinking of was Steve Jobs and he thought back then that maybe we could MIMEOGRAPH our user manuals to save money. Really. But time shows that Jobs has learned a thing or two. Apple isn’t a paragon of support but they aren’t that bad, either. They appear to have learned the two lessons I kept driving home in those days — speed and honesty. Sometimes its enough just to know where you stand even if the news is bad. Network Solutions (and the other companies you mention) seem not to have learned that.
at my outfit (I work at one of the hybridized former “baby bells”) a DSL customer who does not like the foreign flavor of the user help number can ask to be transferred to the American desk.
they next get Boise.
just about all the rest of the 800 numbers drop off at 48-state US service centers. there might be something odd out there I haven’t heard about, but everything I know of is answered where bacon is for breakfast.
the subject of internal studies occasionally comes up. I can’t tell tales from inside, so I will only note I read the same sort of thing in the general media all the time, and “who’s he, who cares” customer service is even more hated than all the phonies in government, used car sales, and insurance claims. my outfit is pulling the outsourced phone centers back inside because our business is presumably no different, and we likely get an earful, too.
It’s not all bad. I recently had a problem getting a Western Digital Passport working with a USB 3 port. All I did was ask a question about it via their support web site, and they immediately offered to send me a replacement cable. I didn’t even ask for it. It arrived in about 3 days.
Bob, et al:
If you’re looking for Registrar options, may I suggest EasyDNS? I’ve used them for years to support a few domains. They’ve got backup mail handling, redundant servers, and clueful techs. They know how to talk to customers, and how to be responsive.
I’ve not provided a link, because I don’t want anyone to think I get referral credit from this. Just Google them.
I went through something similar with MobileMe. Two years. Lot’s of nice, US-based tech support who could research my problems interminably — unfortunately, they wanted to keep me in the loop for most of this. Enough with the science fair. Back to cable syncing.
You and I both learned something. As one of my previous bosses wisely told me, however, sometimes lessons are expensive.
I can vouch for NameCheap.com as a domain registrar and DNS host. Prices are good, service is fine, and they are usually giving away free cheapy SSL certs and/or private whois registration with new domains and domain transfers. If you need to transfer your domain to a different registrar, they are more than worth considering.
As for getting your email into Google Apps, it is only a matter of a few MX records in your DNS zone. You can add a CNAME to make getting to your mail easier (mail.cringely.com opposed to google.com/a/cringely.com). You might also need to add a TXT record to verify your domain name, but there are other ways of doing that verification. If you do go with NameCheap, their control panel has an option where you just chose a radio button for Google Apps, and they handle the rest for you. If NetSol can’t even get these few simple DNS records setup correctly, do let us know.
I rolled my own email solutions, usually using Exim, for two decades… Around 2008 I decided that the work involved maintaining it and rehosting it every few years on new hardware simply was not interesting anymore.
We moved our domains to Google Gmail. Best decision. There is an occasional glitch but it usually works very very well. And yes the cost is $Zero… and no hardware to maintain.
Rober/bog:
I have been a big fan of you blog for years. We will give you free email on the rackspace platform, just ask. No strings. Check them out at webmail.us or rackspace.com
bhyahoo@mac.com
bh
Mein Gott.
I ran mail services for years as part of a large organisation and I was also doing a (non-related) project at an ISP during a time of severe instability of their mail services.
I can say that it is relatively hard to screw things up this bad for this long, and smacks of doing things on the cheap in every which way.
What ever happened to our (I thought default) tech ethos of making sure things are done properly every time….? Maybe I’m just a hopeless idealist.
EasyDNS all the way. I actively moved my remaining domains from NetSol about 5 years ago for all these same reasons.
I moved our corporate email to Google Apps a little over two years ago. One of the best decisions I ever made ! It was amazing how much time I was spending fixing employee’s email. And writing spam denial scripts. And this. And that.
The killer was when my office administrator got joe-jobbed. She started getting thousands of bounced emails. After 10,000 bounced emails, she started crying and I sent her home. I then started forwarding all her email to a gmail account. Gmail automatically filtered all the job job email bounces out and the problem went away. I then proceeded to move our domain MX record there. I have never regretted the move, not even once. And my web host is actually decent,
And the amazing thing ? Google apps for domains is free ! It is an incredible value. I would gladly pay the $50/year/email address if they made me. But, they don’t and I don’t. But I spend $1,500/month on Google advertising so don’t feel too bad for them.
Also, the Gmail (google apps mail) user web interface is excellent. And you can access it anywhere. We pop our email down but you can still read it online in deleted folder for 30 days. Excellent, just excellent service.
Cringely,
NetSol is a racket run by crooks. Get your cc info out of there while you can because they will charge something if they can get away with it.
For an alternative domain registration service you may want to check out http://www.twit.hover.com simply because they are endorsed by Leo Laporte. I’ve been using Net Sol for registration only and my ISP’s email service since 1999 so I have no experience with Hover or any others for that matter.
Small companies always provide you with the best support. I know here in New Zealand we have different views of what constitutes a small company. When choosing hosting providers for customers I always whereever possible choose the company where you can still get a direct line to the CEO or atleast have a one to one relationship with the support manager whenever there are real problems.
When you need to start calling a support line and be issued with a incident number the support will inevitably be going down hill. I know smaller companies often don’t have the depth of expertise or capabilities of the larger ones, but they more than make up for it with their willingness to help and sort your issues. They take personal pride in their work, it’s their name on the line, not just the companies.
It’s unfortunate that the really successful small companies, that provide the best service & support become large companies or get brought out. You can’t blame them fot it, they have earned it.
I have my own domain registered at GoDaddy.com, and it does what it is suppose to do. I use to use them for email too, but they’re chintzy when it comes to space (Wooh, 10 whole megabytes per account!). Instead, I use their mail forwarding service to various Gmail accounts which gives me a more generous 7Gb per email account.
If you set everything up correctly, you can only tell you’re using a Gmail account by going through the “Received” headers.
I too use to have my own SMTP servers, but it was more of a pain than it was worth, and I simply used GoDaddy’s for a while before simply switching to GMail.
I agree, GoDaddy’s ads are so annoying, I’m thinking of switching, but most of the places I’ve found are really front organizations for GoDaddy.
I also had an utter fiasco with using NetworkSolution (in the guise of “NameSecure”) handle email. Even though we just had them forward it from our domain to our ISP, they never failed to screw it up in a myriad of ways.
I finally gave up and started paying $10/mo to have Hurricane Electric host the web site and handle the email. Very reliable service since then.
I know your pain. Yahoo Mail has had its rough times too.
The sad part of this is how utterly unnecessary it is. There are a handful of really good mail server applications. The one from Microsoft is really good. There is no reason for a firm like Network Solutions not to be using one of the good mail server programs. Only the folks who run mega mail systems, like Yahoo, Hotmail, and Google need specialized software. Network Solutions is not in that class.
Is it smart to base one business on crappy code, a crappy service, and crappy customer service? I hope someone at Network Solutions wakes up soon, or they’ll be out of a job before they know it.
I’ve used Bluehost.com to host my domain, websites, and email for several years now with pretty good results, but I don’t have super high email load…and occasionally mail takes a while to get to where it’s going.
Back in 1997, I emailed the Nasdaq for about 6 months notifying them that the clock displayed on http://www.nasdaq.com was running approx. 4 minutes in the future. I pointed out that for a company where minutes can mean the difference between millions of gains or losses, showing a time in the future is pretty unprofessional. I ran ntp on all my servers, something apparently nobody at Nasdaq had heard of.
Nasdaq asked me to delete my browser cache whereupon I pointed out that browser cache can only be responsible for displaying times in the past, not the future. Nasdaq never did anything to address the issue.
I encountered an ad by Intel showing off their super-duper Intel servers with a punch line akin to “Who does Nasdaq rely on to run their business? Intel!”.
I emailed Intel pointing out the Nasdaq-clock-in-the-future issue and stated that the Intel super-duper servers are worthless considering the quality of their on board clocks. Intel replied by sending me a copy of their student enrolment program, which I still consider to be a compliment. About 1 week after communicating with Intel, the clocks on http://www.nasdaq.com started displaying the correct or past time.
I hate to refer to the man with no apparent facial hair, but Ballmer was right in saying that if your boss isn’t responding to your bug reports, then go to his boss and so forth.
Ikea botched one of my deliveries and the staff wasn’t helping out so I figured out the name of the country manager (listed on the back side of the catalogue together with his photograph), called up Ikea and kept shouting his name through the phone until I got put through to Sven Olaf Kulldorf (the country manager). Sven solved my delivery issues. Thanks Sven.
My cable company couldn’t maintain a steady internet connection to my home at about the same time a friend of mine was working as a junior broker, sending me financial reports on the same cable company together with the name of the cable company’s financial manager and his mobile phone number. I kept calling/annoying the guy until he put me through to the technical head-honcho who resolved my connectivity issues.
Remember WarGames?; “Never go through the front door”.
Even though Netsol has probably lost your emails forever, they will have MTA logs and now is the time to force them to hand over those logs, even if it’s just a matter of principle.
When a firm ships its support offshore, they lose a lot of visibility on how things are going. If problems are not solved, if customers are treat poorly, headquarters may not know it for quite sometime. HQ’s first clue of serious trouble could be on the balance sheet as revenue is dropping and customers are fleeing. By then the problem is years old and it will take years to fix. I’ve seen large firms fall into this trap and never regain their market position. In today’s electronic world when you neglect your business and your customers, you may never recover the loss.
Network Solution for email?? LOL!!
No matter where you are, it’s quite feasible to run one’s own mail server on a VPS with postfix + dovecot (or whatever you prefer). It’s not free and configuration isn’t for the novice, but you have about as much control and privacy as you’re going to get.
Sorry to hear about your problems Bob; I fear though that Google Gmail for Domains isn’t going to be much better. The uptime and technical prowess will be better, but if you have any sort of a problem, you’ll be BEGGING for the tech support in India. Google support is, essentially, run by robots. It’s virtually impossible get any sort of non-form letter response from them unless you’re spending money (Google AdSense). You’d get much better technical service by going with a medium-sized Web hosting provider with North American-based tech support. Bluehost would be one.
Hi Bob,
I work for Network Solutions and wish I had arrived here earlier. I am going to see how we can quickly sort this out for you.My apologies for this experience you received our folks are usually good and we will check and see where we missed.
I am presuming the domain is cringely.com and would appreciate any additional details at listen [at] network solutions dot com. My colleague tried to get in touch with you on Twitter this morning http://goo.gl/UzZQh
Thanks,
Shashi Bellamkonda
Only 12 hours for someone from NetSol to notice your public rant about your problem. Let’s see, in that amount of time you probably lost only another 100 or so emails. Yeah, I don’t think I’d be giving them another chance, there’s far too many good alternatives posted about above.
I DO agree with the comment about Google support though. You’re frustrated by NetSol’s automated support (yes, robots in India reading from a script IS still automated support), and I’m not sure you’re going to find it much better with a FREE service like Google Apps for Domains.
I’ve had good luck with usa.net and their netaddress.com counterpart.
Actually, any domain registered through Google is actually contracted out to GoDaddy.
Yikes.
Sounds like the drama with my “cloud” web host SiteCloud.
I moved to them because they promised the earth, and having my site “on the cloud” sounded attractive in case I got Slashdotted or something. They were cheap too.
SiteCloud used the Amazon EC2 cloud system, and I had no end of trouble with my site which my thousands of regular visitors reported errors almost daily. They refused to admit any problem. My visitors knew better…
Months later they finally admitted their cloud based technology didn’t work with Amazon’s server, oops, so they moved everything to SingleHop. FAIL!
Worked OK for a while and then a my site and forum started getting slower and slower and getting 503 errors. Again “No problems Sir” was the response even though their own blog went down at the same time as mine. My visitors again new better again…
A month passes and they finally admit their cloud hosting technology is “not quite ready” for the mainstream, so they abandoned their cloud technology and moved everyone back to regular shared hosting at their parent company GreenGeeks. EPIC FAIL!
Dave.
I have been with what is now Rackspace Apps for many years for my email and cannot fault then. If they ever had outages, it must have been while I was asleep and I have never, ever suspected them of no delivering an email.
I joined when they were the relatively new webmail.us and despite my reservations, reliability nor support has taken a turn for the worse since being swallowed up.
Even when they were the little guys, they had 24/7 support, which I know actually exists by getting responses in minutes late nights on the east coast. (Early morning where I was)
Oh, and I wasn’t contacting because anything was wrong (there never is) I just wanted them to add another alias domain to my account.
A manager I had 3 or 4 life times ago once said “People can deal with bad news, they just can’t deal with no news”. More companies should remember this. Even BP could have done a better job on the disaster if they went by this!
Hi,
I had my domain hosted by Netsol for one year in 2009, and moved away as soon as possible. For one of the (many) tickets I opened for problems I had with email, I got a message from their customer service including this sentence:
“Please reply to this e-mail with the e-mail box name and password so we
may further research your issue. We apologize for any inconvenience.”
Couldn’t believe it was true (I actually knew it was) so opened another ticket for a phishing attempt (they stated their policy was to never ask for password via email) and got the following answer:
“We apologize, but the e-mail you received was not a fishing attempt. To investigate and resolve e-mail issues, our Technical Service Delivery Team needs the e-mail box name and password.”
Needless to say, I didn’t give the password and they solved the problem 😉
I use 1and1 for domain registration and web hosting, but Google apps for mail. I am a big fan of the Gmail interface, but do fret about the possibility of losing all my mail history due to some kind of Google crash.
Can anyone explain what backup systems Google has? What are the odds of them losing my emails and should I create my own backup?
I’ve been using 1and1.com for about 7 years now, with hardly a blip of problem…maybe once several years ago when they went through a major upgrade, and that was just an access outage lasting for a few hours.
2000 2GB mailboxes, 120GB web hosting, unlimited traffic for $6.99/month. It just works.
1and1 DOES work… very occasional problems.
So much so, that the last time I spoke to support I was talking to a lady in the good ol’ US of A from England(on “Toll-Free”)! Bearing in mind this is a German company that’s remarkable. So it’s been a while… I have about (at least) 12 domains with them and subsequent N x 12 email accounts.
I’ll add my vote for Google Apps. I too ran my own mail server for a while and decided it wasn’t worth it. Google’s been hosting my email for a few years now and I’ve had zero problems. Love it, love it, love it.
My company had been customers of Network Solutions for many (10-15) years. We decided to change to a less expensive service but were unable to do so because over the time our corporate records with Network Solutions had been corrupted and listed a contact person I have never heard of in a city I have never been to. Literally weeks of time and 20 or more phone calls were required to sort it all out and still, everytime I called customer service, they regretted the loss of our business and begged me to reconsider. Fat chance!
In my opinion, you are well shot of them.
My own domain name is not using Google Apps and not my hosting site’s email system, which was always slow and buggy.
Then again I don’t use it for anything real, but now that I have something better I just may do that; use my domain name for real stuff. 😀
You might want to consider moving your dns to a dns provider. We use Dyn/Dynect and setting up a backup MX so mail is stored reliably even if you have email server problems. We use SendLabs Backup MX.
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Don’t feel bad Bob,
1and1 is MUCH worse than Network Solutions. I’ve dealt with both over the years, and while I’ve never had warm fuzzies about NSI, 1and1 keeps me from sleeping at night. Seriously.
Their email service is bottom tier, slow, and they randomly delete domains on it with or without notice. We use them at work for client email, and it’s pure hell. The thing I hate most about it is trying to explain to a client that their email has been deleted without notice because Godaddy decided to change their name server, and the auto pruning system at 1and1 didn’t send me the email notifying me that it was going to be deleted. This has happened more than once in 2010, but not at all so far in 2011. That’s not even the worst of it. In November, their system started seeing x@onedomain and x@anotherdomain as the same user. Took them over a week to resolve it. It makes me and my company look like drooling idiots for reselling them in the first place.
Their support is also indian. Very nice people on the other line, except when they’re not. To give you some prespective: their own support people don’t even use their email system because it’s so slow. Anywhere between 20 minutes and an hour for something to get through. Crazy isn’t it?
In 20 phone calls to them over the last three months, I can say with some confidence that we haven’t gotten a damn thing done. Not once. They apologize when appropriate, tell me my problem will be escalated, and then I never hear from them.
The solution we settled on was gradually migrating clients to a virtual server at Joe’s Data Center here in town for all new accounts. Their entry level vps package costs about the same as we pay for 1and1 for 600 boxes, and the service is fast and reliable.
So far, the two or three clients I’ve moved away from 1and1 are very happy with the new service.
The thing that gets me about all of it though, is why? With all of the solutions out there that make these things easy and fast, why is it that companies like NSI and 1and1 choose not to use them?
24 hour customer service is nice, even necessary, but why have it at all if they aren’t allowed to do anything to solve my problems? I think it speaks volumes for the way companies like this see their customers. Tech support isn’t a way to address and solve problems in their view. It’s a way to hold the hands of customers whose opinions mean nothing.
They see us as disposable.
So it makes sense that we would have to see them the same way.
I was going to add, in my previous post, that some people hate them 🙂
Not looking good. From hear your MX records have not changed.
One more vote for gandi.
With close to 10 years experience working with them (while myself being in different companies) they have not failed me yet.
I can’t believe Netsol is still in business. I got out of there 8 years ago. I started with them when I was under the (mistaken) impression that they were the only game in town. – Now their tech support is in India???? “Thamk you sir, may I have another” – I am a GoDaddy convert – but I agree with you about the obnoxious marketing. Whenever I purchase anything , I have to turn down 10 additional add-on products CAREFULLY so as not to accidentally incur additional charges –
Seems uncharacteristic for Bob Parsons.
All of their tech support is stateside – I can no longer handle Asian tech attitude,
I moved my domains off of a small provider over to Google Apps a couple of years ago. Gmail has been wonderful. A revelation, in fact. Always available, virtually no spam, fantastic interface. I still sync my IMAP client occasionally, just out of habit, but I never use it anymore.
I see some comments about Google’s robotic support systems. Here’s my bottom line: My old provider had friendly, helpful, US-based support folks. I liked them. I even got to know them. But that’s because I had to call them every time they broke something. And when my domain got hit with a spam avalanche, their servers buckled under the load.
Google may lack support, but when nothing ever goes wrong, you just don’t care. To me, that’s far more valuable. Of course, I use the free version. As someone making his living online, Bob, you should probably fork over the $50/user/year for the SLA and human-based support. But you won’t need it. 🙂
I failed to fully disclose: Google hired me a few months ago. I don’t think that biased my opinion of Google Apps, though. On the contrary, I wouldn’t want to work for them if they built a crappy product.
I like DreamHost (https://www.dreamhost.com/). I switched recently from 1&1.
They include a domain reg, unlimited bandwidth, unlimited disk quota, unlimited user accounts, and optional shell access per user. They also provide a simple web panel interface for switching MX to Google Apps.
Most if not all of the recommendations on “my provider has been really good” and “this provider is really bad since they outsourced their support to India” are rather superfluous and meaningless.
Unless an email provider can qualify (and preferably quantify) their level of redundancy, the reliability of their email is supposed to be judged by their past history and/or their current marketing. Bob bought into Netsol like most people by Big Macs. The reality is that the burger never looks like it does in reality as it looks like on the illuminated picture.
Unless an email provider can say “before any 250 reply is presented, all of the incoming email data has been transferred to 3 different systems running at 3 geographically dispersed locations for which no single nuclear strike can take down more than 1 of these locations”, combined with guarantees on the redundancy of the mail delivery system, the choice of any email provider is hard if not impossible to judge.
I haven’t really come across anybody who backs up mail queues, some may backup mailboxes and even then, one has to wonder to what extent they have automated recovery/restore procedures that they can make sense of once things go wrong, especially when they would have to merge two different states (the state of a backup together with the state after the failure).
Sure they have RAID to circumvent disk failures, but RAID doesn’t help much for a logical failure which seems to be the case with Bob’s missing emails.
Today’s professional organization can be tomorrow’s nightmare. Unless there’s a service level agreement which covers email reliability in depth, email failures can occur with any provider. In the last 16 years, I’ve lost 4 emails and immediately presented our relation with the MTA logs allowing them to contact the sending party. Most organizations won’t admit to this because that’s like saying that the Big Mac isn’t going to look like the picture.
Probably the only way to (somewhat) judge the reliability of an organization is by verifying whether they detail their failures or interruptions. An organization that recognizes failure is an organization that expresses responsibility, which is why Ikea always has some or other picture on display in their elevators about some furniture or toy containing a part which little kids may swallow and choke on, thereby asking you to return the product if you had purchased it. I’m not even sure Ikea has even carried, let alone sold these items, but everybody who sees the picture seems to think that Ikea is a really responsible corporation. Dell, HP, Intel and Toyota recall.
Remember, the only two guarantees in life are death and taxes.
I was waiting for you to say “India”
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Sorry: I’m retired from all that crap. Yep yep used to handle the calls from the “lying” techies like you slandered who were in the “12th hour” of a five minute patching job. (Oh no sir, you can’t apply a patch meant for v 5.1.23 to GA 5.0.0 release code. No no sir, I’m fairly certain we can’t downlevel that particular fix to 5.0.0 since it fixes a problem at 5.1.18 which was the result of an incomplete fix at 5.1.16 combined with a fix for a mis-implementation of HTTP1.1…..)
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Cringe: just don’t switch to a provider that is tech staffed 98% in Xinjiang.
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I would suggest giving GoDaddy a look. I have 6 domains, with 3 hosted with them and other than messages relating to my domain administrative requirements I have no problems with them. Just opt out of 3rd party solicitations. They have been responsive and timely to problems. I’m not saying they are the solution to your problem, but worth a look.
Sounds like Network Solutions must own the hosting company I’ve been using – Host Papa. They’re almost as bad. Emails randomly are not delivered, but it’s always your fault, or a “spam filter” even though the spam settings are all disabled on the domain. Server problems, outages, upgrade problems, but somehow they’re never responsible.
And just try switching away from them… yikes. Good luck getting your domain away.
I’ll never again deal with an all-in-one hosting company. I’ve registered the domains with GoDaddy, I’ll manage the DNS there, but my email will be hosted elsewhere.
“Send us copies of all messages you didn’t receive including their IP addresses.”
To me, this represents the absolute worst in customer service. I’ve been in similar support situations, where I’ve been instructed to do something impossible and/or told flagrant lies.
When this happens, I am overcome by complete and utter despair. It’s a sign that you’re clearly working with someone who has absolutely no concern for your situation whatsoever and/or is hopelessly incompetent.
It’s not only immensely frustrating, but insulting. First you have problems; and when you ask for help, the answers are effectively gibberish.
“Send us copies of all messages you didn’t receive including their IP addresses.”
Seriously?
http://www.verio.com has been great for me. I highly recommend them.
I left NetSol after 5+ years just last month. I didn’t have e-mail problems, but I sure had web server problems. I’m using bluehost now and am very happy with their web service. E-mail was initially a problem because their standard spam filter is a non-functional spamassassin config. I had to pay for Postini filtering, which is Google.
If you have broadband now, why not go back to hosting your own e-mail service? A Mac Mini with OSX Server would do the job nicely and without hassle.
Why not…SPAM. Best left on someone else’s server.
Hi,
I believe, like we say in Brazil, that you are exchanging six for half a dozen. Google Mail / Gmail is “free”. And there is no such a thing as a free lunch. For good e-mail service either run your own server (you are “big” enough to have it) or get if from a good company. I do use Dreamhost.com (tell them my e-mail when you buy from them! :-). They are unexpensive, Linux-based, and good. They may try to host you at Google, you just refuse it. I have been their customer for years, and host some client’s domains there. And don’t have problems. Of course, one of these days I did move a client/friend from Netsol to Dreamhost, and Netsol took him out of the air untill I did pay one year hosting to clear things. Very “nice” guys.
Regards, and keep the very good work.
Mario Jorge Passos
Years ago (I think it was in the 2007/2008 timeframe) I got sick of all the SPAM. I tried to get Spamassasin running on my self-hosted Linux box. I got it running and it work reasonablly well. But it never really worked great. I also was running into a lot of service providers that were simply blacklisting my IP address because it was part of a DHCP pool. That’s when I came across Google Apps. I moved my email hosting (my email and a couple other family members) over to it and I haven’t looked back.
I’m not sure when it started out, but I’m pretty sure I was in on it pretty early in its development. Back when I signed up, the free mailboxes were limited to 1GB of mail. As I recall, at the time gmail was somewhere in the 2GB realm. Fortunately, at the time my mailbox was below that limit so it wasn’t a big deal (I just looked and I’m currently using a touch over 2.5GB). I do remember when they gave us free apps users the same mail quotas as free gmail users.
I was able to use IMAP to move all my messages off my linux box and into my new gmail account, so I didn’t loose anything in the transition. I don’t have nearly as much as Cringley, but I do go back to early 2003.
I’m no stranger to email hosting… I was self-hosting on Linux from 2003-2007/2008 … I actually think I may have been hosting before that, but lost some messages to a hard drive crash… I have a vague memory of that happening and then running to Circuit City to buy a pair of hard drives to mirror together. I also still run our mail servers at work and have been since the turn of the century. But, for a small number of mailboxes, it is a thousand times easier to just use Google Apps.
PS. If you look at my website, you may notice that it’s hosted on Dreamhost. I continued hosing my site on the linux box even after I moved mail services off from it. I eventually moved my web hosting to Dreamhost, but still use gmail for the email component (and chat)….
http://blaagh.mikeandpaulagardner.com/?p=124
Forgot to say:
While “there is no such a thing as a free lunch” is a good rule, there is an exception to almost every rule. While it’s not perfect, I think gmail is a pretty good exception when it comes to email hosting. There are a couple trade-offs (it’s ad supported, your Google apps account doesn’t always work as Google account [I think they’re working on this one], etc)…. but it works pretty good. IMAP support is awesome for using it on a Mobile platform, their webmail is pretty good (I don’t even have an email client on my computer, I just use webmail) and Google docs comes in handy from time to time.
To say that Network Solutions is technically incompetent is one of the great understatements of all time. I wouldn’t trust them to keep an atomic clock wound.
I would second Dreamhost as a very competent, inexpensive service which I transferred all of my registrations to after having had an encounter with Network Solutions incompetent “customer service”.
They are literally the only customer service I have ever dealt with that actually succeed in making the problem worse, rather than working toward a solution or at least leaving the wound unsalted. I never suspected anyone could make Comcast look good by comparison.
Let’s not forget the class action lawsuit against them a while back (google it if you don’t know), but suffice it to say, if you have a domain registered there, run, do not walk to any-other-registrar-on-earth.
If you have hosting of any kind there, first have yourself tested for mental competence and THEN run, do not walk to any-other-hosting-company on earth.
Man, I feel better.
I have been using the free Google Hosted Apps for my main email for a few years and am quite pleased. Even when there have been problems with maybe a slow web interface, IMAP was still connecting speedily. I you want to do some comparison shopping, you might check into a hosted Zimbra service, like from 01.com. You would have to pay, though (annual for 1 user is about 50/yr). You get the nice web interface, but it plays REALLY well with Mac and iPhone.
And, one cause for concern with Gmail for me is that if there IS a problem, customer support will probably be via email, because I have never been able to find a way to get ahold of Google via phone support to help me with ANY of their services that I use. At leas 01.com has phone support.
I cannot find any references to Google Gmail for Domains as a free service. Can you provide a link to the Google location?
Well, Google Apps for Domains I think was an old name for the service. The free service can be found at: https://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/group/index.html
This is good for up to 50 users and each gets about 7.5 GB of email space (the same as standard Gmail). You can set MX records for your domain to this service. I have set this up in the past and it was very easy. Unless you need the additional capacity (25 GB) or need to be able to add more users, the free version is a great choice.
I just looked at your MX record, and here it is Wednesday and you’re still running Network Solutions??? If you really are loosing messages as bad as this post says, you should really switch ASAP!! I mean, I understand taking the slow approach in order to prevent data loss, but when data loss is already occurring, you need to go, go, go!
It’s all ready to switch but I decided to wait until Friday because there will be a propagation delay of 24 hours or so. While I have you on the line here’s an update on my problem. Network Solutions has given me three explanations: 1) there is no problem; 2) we thought you were a spammer and blocked your mail,and; 3) our upgrade disturbed the mail records of ALL customers and it takes 2-3 days for the old messages to find their way home. I believe this last one because it came from a very nice tech who seemed to know what he was talking about. That explains why they did it on a Friday. It further explains that the five minute switch-over was baloney and they knew it would take all weekend or more. the fact that they didn’t acknowledge much less send out a notice in advance explaining what was going to happen, well that was unconscionable. I can’t wait for Friday.
The very nice techie would seem to be confused with the refresh pertaining to secondary name servers and the TTL expire pertaining to caching by remote name servers. 2 or 3 days is rather implausible for remote name servers to catch up with current events, other than for NS records. Most TTLs for MX records follow SOA default values (typically 1 hour) and maybe a couple of hours but not a couple of days.
Current default TTL for cringely.com is 1 hour while the TTL for MX records belonging to cringely.com is 2 hours.
If you can identify at least one sender that was unable to send you a message and that sender received an MTA warning message, then chances are that you may still receive the ‘lost’ messages.
(What’s more difficult to verify is that) If none of these senders received a warning message pertaining to an email sent to you, then the messages are likely all gone.
Additionally, the NS records for cringely.com are the same today as they were at least one year ago. The IP addresses for these NS records are also the same. It’s highly unlikely (although still possible) that these NS records were different during the email outage.
You’re not an idiot. Anybody could have made this choice and I enjoy a Big Mac on occasion.
The only way of being absolutely sure that your precious emails will be safe is putting them where letters have been for millennia. On paper.
https://www.memeoirs.com/
On my PC I can find and search all my email since 2001. I also have tons of paper documents but being unsearchable, they’re not very useful.
I have had pretty good luck with everyone.net over the past 10 years.
Man, I left Network Solutions 10 years ago, I think. They’re one of the few companies where you can say all the horror stories about them are absolutely true. And they never get better.
FWIW, I’m using HostGator now, and they’ve been exceptionally great. Awesome Tech Support. I think the longest I’ve waited in line for a Tech Chat was maybe 90 seconds, and the Techs have always been super helpful.
Nevertheless, I use Gmail for my mail. I use it as an IMAP account so i can sync it easily with Mac Mail, and I have HostGator redirect all my domain name mail directly to my Gmail account.
Bob, good luck. Once you get off Network Solutions, you’re going to start crying from sheer relief.
Well then i have to admit i am an idiot too 😉
You could probably take the same article, replace Network Solutions with 80% of the IT Support Help Desks that have been off shored and it would be accurate.
Even my own companies internal IT Help Desk (We are an IT company!), if step #1 in their script does not work, Step #2 is ‘re-image your laptop’…
I’ve had google apps for our business email for about 3 years now. Google does not deliver email. I have no way of knowing how much I am not getting, but I regularly have the expereince of talking to someone and saying “Why didn’t you send me an email?” and they swear they did. Or, I will be at a friends computer and they forward an email and I go and I didn’t get it, and they forward it 2-3 times and I still don’t get it.
They don’t get market spam, they just disappear.
I do get a fair bit of email, so it is not all disappearing, but some percentage of it never gets to me.
If I knew of a reliable alternative, I would switch.
My company was with NetworkSol for years . . .
Until . . .
One year, some years ago now, my admin login didn’t work anymore. They said I would have to authenticate identity by sending them – get this – copy of passport and drivers license for verification of identity. Naturally I said no. So then the twit on the other end of the phone suggested that I get one of my employees to send their passport information and they could be set up as administrator. I asked her why, if I didn’t think it was ethical for them to ask for personal information about foreign nationals (we are in Canada) she thought it would be any more ethical if I asked one of my employees to send their information rather than me sending my own? There was stunned silence for a time, buzzing and clicking and then I spoke with a supervisor. In the end, after days of calls, renewals were processed and our account worked in fits and starts for a few more years (including one double billing) until one year when we didn’t get a renewal notice. That year they just turned the email/website off. Toast Not their problem they said. Takes days to reinstate they said.
So in the end, I transferred to a Canadian domain name registrar and have had no problems since (now whispering in a low voice so as not to tempt the fates)! My own suspicion is that NetSol have either been hacked or have lost data in the past, including domain admin data, because all of a sudden old ISP’s, email addresses and registration info was being used, some of which I know I had changed years before. Scary!
“Your confusion is important to us, please stay on the line for the first available agent.
You are 1×10 to the sixth in line and your call will be answered in the same order received. Please hold and have a nice month!”
I ran my own email server for years, until the ISP that was providing co-location for my server and backbone IP connectivity went belly up.
I moved to GoDaddy’s hosted email that automatically redirects via an MX record for my domain (also registered through GoDaddy).
So far, so good…
Try Tuffmail. Love it.
Tuff price 🙂
Have you looked into pobox? They seem pretty hardcore about doing email right.
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I lost my respect for you after learning that you had been with NetSol for so long.
Rackspace.com…I compared the two, and found that the level of support from rackspace was worth it. I like being able to get to someone who can look at headers from the email server logs, to confirm that the email was indeed sent out.
Mail can be delayed for hours to days if they are greylisting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylisting
I hear that john C dvorak gets no spam.
I would also recommend Google Apps. The agressive spam filtering alone makes it worth the effort to switch. You will initially get the occasional false positive but catching them is easy and the system quickly learns what is not spam the more you use it. I did notice IMAP access would occasionally time out while using the free version. I switched to the premium version of Apps when they made it free for non-profits and have since had no problems to report.
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Put me in the group that uses Google and have no complaints. I have my blog at HostGator but moved mail from them after having problems.
Some of my problems w/ Network Solutions email are listed below & never get fixed.
#1- “Freezes”/”Locks Up” ~ Every time I open it!
#2- Unable to “Delete” messages, get “error” messages instead
#3- Unable to “Move” messages. Account “Freezes” & when I re-open it the messages I attempted to “Move” have disappeared.
Network Solutions is the only email account I pay for & the only one I have problems with. All of my other accounts are “Free” & I never have problems w/ them.
I have wasted countless hours, lost important messages, & lost $$$. I cannot afford this.
One tech helped me set up OutLook to solve problems, which is not performing properly. When I called back about OutLook problems this tech I spoke w/ told me OutLook is my problem & he can’t help me.
Now, after ALL of my wasted time, & lost $$$ I am told my Network Solutions web email acct is “not” compatible w/ Internet Explorer 8.
Why was I not told this back in the beginning, almost a year ago, when I 1st reported my problems?
I have no choice, but to use IE 8 since I have Windows 7 as my OS.
I was told NS email was compatible w/ FireFox. I tried FireFox & still had the same problems.
When I call NS support I wait @ least 10 – 15 minutes only to get passed on to another idiot who speaks poor English & wastes my time. There have been times when I have gotten a person in America that I can understand & this alleviates the pain somewhat.
Network Solutions email SUCKs & I do not know how they stay in business.
I am concerned that when I finally switch to another company NS will mess up the transfer.
Any suggestions for my new email provider?
What about GoDaddy?
I’m a web developer, and I had a client who was already set up on Network Solutions. I tried to talk them into switching, but no, it was too much trouble to move their mail over to a new host. They had several years’ worth of corporate emails stored in NS’s webmail service.
I set up a Drupal site on their NS account, which frequently hung up. I’ve set up a lot of Drupal sites in my day, and have never seen the sorts of issues I had with NS. Calls to NS support only ever yielded the following answer: “Everything here is fine, it must be your code.” Nothing was wrong with my code, it was just a standard Drupal install.
Finally I convinced the client to switch over to another hosting solution. Moved the database, moved the code, and changed nothing but the settings file (of course). Everything has worked perfectly since.
Just the fact that NS still charges $35 for a domain registration tells me that their management is simply clueless. (Actually, I have to correct myself — I just tried to register a .com domain through their site to verify the price — it’s gone UP to $37.99!)
Once upon a time, NS was the most important registrar on the planet; now they’re just a dinosaur that refused to change. When someone tells me that they use NS, that immediately tells me that that person is a neophyte.
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Network Solutions is DIRTY! They use underhanded tactics in everything they do. Prices are a ripoff compared to all the other legitimate suppliers out there. I was recently told my domain name renewal cost would be $35 for only 1 year. I went to Godaddy and got the same seervice for $5! When I tried to get the auth from NS to transfer out, they stone-walled me for weeks! When I finally put the pressure on a CSR, they offered me 1 year for $10 to which I declined. I was told to expect my auth code by email within an hour. It never came. When I called again they tried the same dirty tactics. I refused and had to verbally pressure the rep until she gave up and agreed to send me the auth code while waiting on the line. DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THESE PEOPLE.
Stumbled up on your post while I was frustrated at the crap I have been enduring for the past 7 years. Network Solution is the most horrible I have ever had. I do have hosting with godaddy too but I try to distribute my services so I don’t have everything in one place. What a horror. Email headaches, website headaches….I even once called and was seeking some direction to find out the my whole website disappear. Yes, Networksolution is a total horror story….
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i wouldn’t trust it with any business whatsoever. i mean i guess i would – what choice do i hav
but personally i never had any problems with Gmail.
can’t complain at all. but i guess i am the lucky one!
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[…] moved the cringely.com domain to EasyDNS from Network Solutions, my registrar since 1992. I have written in the past about how much I hate Network Solutions, but this was our final connection and I am now free. But […]
Dave, I started have the same issue you had. On friday last week I stopped receiving emails on my iphone. I have hated NS mail for 12 years. I only continue to use it because all of my publications and printed material has it. Any suggestions for a smooth transition.
Glad your free of this.
Mark
We have NS at work and it is just dreadful. Today was the second time it crashed on me. It just kicked me off for no reason! Kept saying my password was no longer valid! It never changed, I don’t even type it in I just let the computer automatically put it in. I had 100+ emails backed up for work on there and now they are completely gone, and this time I am probably not getting them back. NS is a useless piece of junk I am stuck with forever, or until everyone else at my job realizes they hate it too. Now I just forward stuff the gmail, if people use my NS account it will probably vanish into internet limbo.
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That sucks about your email problem. I recently ran into the same problem with internet networking solutions houston tx. At least you’re not alone!
I’ve had good luck with network solutions in the past but they’re really screwing us today.
I’m a gold VIP member because have several domains and several email accounts over the years. But they must be having a complete meltdown.
Man, when things go wrong – they really circle the wagons and deny any problems. I’ve been put on hold for 20 minutes….then someone answers and they say they’ll transfer you to someone, and then put you back on hold for another 10 minutes and then the line disconnects.
I guess we’re moving to a more reliable provider. Too bad. Network solutions used to be a good company that gave a &^$%. Not any more.
I too am now in Network Solutions hell. I have been with them for over 15 years. In the past they were responsive and helpful with onshore support. A couple of weeks ago they sent an email to my wife’s address stating that they thought her account had been hijacked and was being used for spam. They suggested she change her password. So I signed on to our account manager and changes her password making it much more complicated. About a week ago she said she had forwarded me an email but I didn’t receive it. Today we realized after several folks said they had not recived her emails, that no email she has sent ever since the notification has been actually sent. Outlook sends them out, they are in sent items but they go nowhere. This morning I called their support number and eventually got someone obviously offshore who asked me what the password was. I told him and he said it didn’t meet their now strigent requirements and that was why the emails weren’t going out. He said to change it again meeting their requirements and her emails would start working again. I’m a long time computer tech and I knew this was probably BS. So I did it and an hour later no joy. So, I called back and got another offshore customer service rep. She went throught much the same script and tested the account from her end and it appeared to work as I received the message on my account on my PC. However, it still wouldn’t wotk from her Outlook. The customer rep said that I would have to pay extra to have someone log into my wife’s PC to find out what was wrong. I said wrongo, they needed to fix what they broke without any more money ffrom me. Needless to say, it is still broke. To take my wife’s PC out of the loop I configured her account in my Outlook and it does not work there either so I figure they must have her account blocked at their server. No bounce backs no messages about mail not being sent, nothing. Now since talking to them my email account is not reciving all my messages in Outlook. Oh yeah, the last NS rep suggested my wife start using their cludgy web-enabled interface instead of Outlook. I am moving my domain and emails accounts today as anyone else couldn’t be any worse than this. I am done with these nitwits.
Hey Rick. I manage a network and since November, my employees are having issues sending emails to any customer, vendor, or friend who’s domain account is hosted by Network Solutions. We have spent thousands of dollars making sure our spf records were good, making sure our forward and reverse lookups were correct, etc, yet, to this day, we still have a problem. Network Solutions wont help us becasue we are not customers and our customers and vendors are forced to add our domain to their allowed list to get our emails. I find this very problematic and wondered if you might have heard anything similar from your customers or friends prior to you leaving Network Solutions. I am just taking a shot in the dark posting here but if you, or anyone else who reads this, knows of a good workaround, please let me know. Thanks!!!!! LML
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I came across this a couple years late but had to weigh in as a former Network Sol customer. They indeed are as bad as what’s been written here and lost lots of my emails and offered the same ridiculous question , it made me laugh seeing it repeated years after I’d left them. After leaving them I tried Yahoo to register a domain. I didn’t look to see if the domain name was taken but figured I can’t buy it if it wasn’t available , seems right to me. Wouldn’t you know it but I went through the process , paid for the domain and even filled the ICANN stuff out. Then after the name was bought and forms filled out and money taken from my credit card , the domaini purchased was already owned by someone else. I remember the major headache with their customer service and being asked ” Well didn’t you look to see if it was already owned ?” … My only reply was ” How can you sell it if you don’t own it and charge me for it , that’s your job , not mine.” I’ve spent many years with GoDaddy and if you’ve used them you’ll know the customer service is pretty good , the prices not bad and you may get loads of marketing but that’s easily swooshed away. I don’t want to sound like they’re awesome because I’ve had my sites go down during a server change for days instead of the couple of hours in the middle of the night like was intended but even that was a rarity. The nearlyfreespeech.net seems to be a nice option and I’d have to check it out. But yeah if you want to get your emails stay far away from Network SOL and shop around first and look in forums to see what it’s customers are talking about and / or bitching about.
Which I had read your post before switching. I have not had a good experience with Network Solutions either. I have had my domain name registered with them since the beginning, so when it came time to re-register there website hosting package sounded great (apparently too good), so I switched. Well I should have read the details because first of all I no long have imap email so can’t easily access my email from my phone or iPad. Also, like you, I have had issues with receiving my email. I can access it through the online portal, but I want to use my own Mac Mail POP3 client. If it doesn’t resolve itself by morning I am going to raise hell.
Tony
Agreed. I am in bed with the enemy, trying to get out but so much of my ‘stuff’ is there. Support is brainless, mindless, zero-ownership or urgency. My “personal” sales contact is great … sales … but support, or “un-breaking what they broke” department, useless robots. She used my name 100 times, but never offered anything useful to solve problems. Escalated … over 2 days ago …
I just spent an hour with Network Solutions tech support regarding some changes in moving name server from ATT business hosting to NS because NS is the registrar so I thought it would be simpler for me to manage both the domain name and name server in one place. All I can say is NS tech support sucks big time. I am a computer technician with nearly 20 years of experience but I do not have a lot of experience with domain stuff, so I was pretty nervous about messing things up resulting in the people using the domain not getting their email. The two people I was talking to at NS treated me as if I were an idiot. I explained to them very clearly my situation but what I got was poor and contradictory information. The second tech I was talked to was better than the first but he did not walk me through the steps to update the A records and MX records. I had to figure this out on my own. Thank God within an hour, I was able to get the website and email back online. I am not sure the bad attitude is from being underpaid or it was just my bad luck to run into these two guys.
I know this is kinda old, but another idiot here. If I dump NetSol (as I have been meaning to do for years), I guess I lose my email, right? I know I can download it with a POP3 client, just wondering what the migration process is like. I have a domain name and email service with them.
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the only thing I like about network solutions is the SMTP service. goes to major email provider without problems, and very easy to setup. in the past, I used to be able to use sub-domain as email domain, but they seem to disallow it for some reason
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