Last weekend a story in the New York Times blamed the bad reputation of AT&T’s wireless network on iPhone technical problems, not the AT&T network at all. Going further, Global Wireless Solutions, a network testing company, said the AT&T network is actually faster than Verizon’s, backing to a certain extent AT&T’s now-aborted legal effort to silence Verizon Wireless commercials that said otherwise. I doubt this is actually the case. Last summer as my family and I wandered across the United States in our old Winnebago motor home equipped with two iPhones from AT&T but also cellular data from Verizon, I can say with some certainty that Verizon coverage was consistently better, no matter what the Times has to say.
But the real issue here, it seems to me, is the obvious gag order successfully imposed on giant AT&T by Apple. Now that part I believe.
Apple and Steve Jobs (they are one and the same) feel a tremendous need to control stories about them. No other computer company I know of has sued its own customers to silence them, yet Apple did just that a couple years ago. Steve Jobs now reportedly controls most of the copyrighted photos ever taken of him, which is why editors and TV producers keep using the same few shots over and over again. The company, too, imposes on its commercial partners a virtual gag order. That’s the case here with AT&T, which apparently isn’t allowed to refute Verizon’s network performance claims even if AT&T has contrary data.
I’ve seen this before. PortalPlayer (now part of nVIDIA) was under a similar gag order when I went there in 2006 to shoot a NerdTV interview. PortalPlayer designed the innards of all early iPods, yet the people I spoke with at the company weren’t even allowed to acknowledge that Apple was a customer, much less that it represented 85 percent of their business. “We aren’t allowed to say their name in any context,” my interview subject told me. “They want the world to believe that all iPod technology was invented in Cupertino.”
And so it is with AT&T where the wireless carrier reportedly could respond to Verizon’s claims but generally doesn’t because doing so might piss-off Steve Jobs.
That must be very frustrating for AT&T (unless of course, as I suspect, Verizon is correct in its claim to have the better network). But the kind of inferiority complex it implies — one that would have the company accepting such a galling deal from Apple — shows up near the end of a long history of bonehead moves by AT&T or by its earlier incarnation SBC — Southwestern Bell Communications — one of the original Regional Bell Operating Companies.
Consider, for example, SBC’s onetime ignorance of Moore’s Law, as described to me recently by a friend who used to work there:
“Do you remember Americast? It was a cable TV joint venture between SBC and Ameritech. I was involved in evaluating set top boxes for that mess. They finally settled on a box and in the telco tradition signed a contract requiring the manufacturer to make ‘the same box at the same price’ for 10 years. The execs who cut the deal thought they had really won big because (they were convinced) the cost of the box had to increase over the next ten years. But, they really signed a contract requiring the company to build a box that looked the same, had the same connectors and the same functionality for the next 10 years. Then I asked if they had figured-in Moore’s Law?
“They, being Telco Executives, had never heard of Moore’s Law. When I pointed out that the cost of the electronics in the box should drop by a factor of between 8 and 16 over that ten years, they denied that there could be such a thing as Moore’s Law or it would have shown up in all their other purchasing. About a week later my boss asked me to write a memo on Moore’s Law and hand deliver it — paper only — to the President of TRI, later known as SBC Labs, now a tiny part of what is left of AT&T Bell labs. I was later told that paper copies of that memo circulated widely among executives at SBC.
“SBC had a corporate purchasing culture based on the idea that everything gets more expensive over time. I guess that is an example of people who should know better investing in things they didn’t understand. In this case they had an entire building full of people who did understand the technology but were either not consulted or were ignored.
“The SBC executives didn’t believe they needed help because they were experts. I mean they had to be experts to become executives, right? ”
Right.
Believe the Moore’s Law story but have a hard time believing it’s an iPhone problem or we’d have been hearing stories about problems on other networks in the world.
Hi PXL,
Outside of the US the iPhone isn’t nearly as adored as inside the US. Maybe there’s just less marketing out here, or maybe it’s because there are a lot of other smart phones on the market that do more, and cost less.
[aside: most phones outside the US are sold unlocked, so it’s easier to compare the prices of phones themselves. We also have one network standard here so any phone works on any network.]
I’ve never had one, but anecdotally those I’ve spoken to over here who do have one, mention that call quality is relatively poor compared to others. Actually finding someone with an iPhone here is quite hard – most have something else. (I’m in South Africa). And it may be different from one iPhone model to another (I’ve not done a formal study on this ).
Marketing, certainly in the US, seems to be the reason why the iPhone is so popular. I don’t think it’s necessarily because it’s the best phone on the market. But you can’t fault Apple when it comes to spending marketing dollars (at least in the US).
Bullshit. I live in Germany. Everybody loves the iPhone and want to have it.
It’s definitely not marketing… I historically have resisted Apple products because my friends’ laptops have had all kinds of issues ranging from hinges, to optical drives, to hard drives, etc. The Apple tax is also a point of contention for me.
However, after looking at phones quite anal-retentively… the iPhone is the best on the market in terms of looks, price, and function. It is so intuitive and responsive with great app support. The only real contender on the horizon is the Droid.
aside: most phones outside the US are sold unlocked, so it’s easier to compare the prices of phones themselves.
That is not strictly true, or I should say it is only a small part of the picture.
If you buy a phone from a retail store then yes, EU consumer protection laws dictate that it be sold unlocked. And, as you pointed out, since there’s only one GSM standard, it will be easy to reuse that phone with any carrier.
However, if that phone is subsidized with any amount, the sponsoring carrier will have a right to lock it for the duration of the accompanying contract (usually 1 or 2 years, sometimes 6 months). They are legally required to unlock it when that particular period expires (but not necessarily for free).
The point is that subsidies have to be made up in contract revenue, and the carrier has a right to tie down the customer for the duration, until the subsidized amount is made up.
Of course, all this is moot, since you can unlock almost any mobile (save for a few models) for a very small cost (a few euros). There’s almost nothing a carrier can do to prevent that and usually they don’t even care, since the contract itself carries its own penalties if the customer prematurely ends it.
So, they might as well sell the phones unlocked in the first place, or offer their own services for unlocking and pocket those few extra euros themselves. Some of the smarter carriers do so throughout the range; some do so with certain models.
Bingo! Has been one of my arguments for the past two years.
International user growth of iPhone and iPod touch is several times US growth.
http://metrics.admob.com/2009/12/november-2009-mobile-metrics-report/
You cant compare the graph on the iphone uptake as its percentage of iphone users, you don’t know what the starting numbers were, you also don’t know what the total market size was , what you need to see is growth in absolute numbers as well as growth in Market share
I get the impression that a lot of executives think they are but really aren’t experts in their own field.
I’d go one step further and apply that to a vast amount of engineers I know, in the field. Most people can’t see the forest from the trees. They may be very knowledgeable in a very specific field, but can’t branch out at all. Often, they make the wrong decisions that are self evident for those outside their niche.
That’s a sure sign of laziness, bred either by long-standing monopoly market power and/or the relative absence of competition.
It will be interesting to see what happens if Operation Chokehold is a success. Will it ring the “Wake the F* UP” bell for AT&T or just make EVERYONE using AT&T wireless pissed off?
It is true that iPhone 3GS needs a much stronger signal than other major mobile phones available in the market.
But mobile operators offering iPhone subscription should honor their part of the contract and boost their network signal to a iPhone usable level (whatever it might be) nation wide. They sold you an iPhone with a voice+data plan, so you have the right to use that iPhone flawlessly on their network.
You can check out the Singapore experience here:
https://www.wengyee.com/tiki-index.php?page=Singtel-Iphone
AT&T is only muzzled by the facts. The fact is, their network *is* faster, but only *if* you can get a 3G signal. And as Verizon has pointed out, there are far fewer places to get a 3G signal with AT&T.
Also, if the phone were to blame, why aren’t we hearing a hue and cry from Europe? Could it be that the problem really *is* “the nation’s most fragile 3G network”?
And AT&T – where’s my tethering? Since your network is so wonderful, it should be no problem to allow tethering from my iPhone like you already allow from Blackberries and other phones, right? They have tethering in just about every other country already, without your fabulous network.
Isn’t this just an extension of how Apple somehow controls/cajoles our thinking? Are their products *really* 3 or 4x the cost better than a PC? Really? As an IT person, I am enjoying the “Oh I can’t have a virus, I have a Mac!” mentality of my users that indeed have a Mac with no anti-virus software and a virus that is designed to infect PCs! I have to reboot my iPod Touch every so often because it just flat stops playing songs. Where are all of my die-hard Linux friends that used to rail against “M$” and their obscene prices? I’ll tell you where they are – paying $4.95 to download the latest OS update for their iPhones!
@jdawg iPhone OS updates are free and always have been. You are either mendacious or are writing stuff about things you know nothing about.
As for the iPhone, I have used both the original iPhone and iPhone 3GS extensively in Europe. There is nothing at all wrong with the iPhone — on the Italian 7.2Mbps 3G network it positively flies. Most European networks make BOTH Verizon and AT&T look, very very sad. Our cell networks (and wired broadband) are a national disgrace compared to Europe and Asia.
Refresh my memory (since you were there): are not European networks essentially single entities per country, run as either public utilities or private regulated ones? I’ve never seen the point to the US’s waste of capital on multiple incompatible (although perhaps less so today) networks. One country, one network. It is, after all, just a pipe we all drink from.
That is just it! But there is something in America that’s ingrained in its culture: greed.
Unfortunately that and some lack of common sense is what prevents more logical thinking which in turn benefit would the American people. Instead we have a government which favor’s big business and lets them get away with almost anything. (rant off).
We did have a single (wired) network in the US at one time. And it provided excellent basic phone service. But the economic model it was based on was not destined to last (e.g., urban customers heavily subsidizing rural ones, ancient equipment used to service high-value customers like Wall Street), and internally the old AT&T was a lot like the Soviet Union – destined to collapse under its own weight. As much as I dislike some aspects of the largely-unregulated post-1984 telecommunications environment in the US, the old system was on its last legs.
Uhh — no — most European countries have multiple, privately owned networks and they all work better than AT&T (admittedly a bit less ground to cover). But you still have no point. Unless your point is that a government-controlled monopoly would be a better solution — which is what your post logically if not stupidly ideologically, implies — what’s your point? In your next life please request a clue. And perhaps get out a bit more.
…and what have you been sniffing?
>> if not stupidly ideologically
Well, unregulated fascism has not served us well, either; it’s clear you haven’t noticed. Smart decisions are made by smart people. Smart people make smart decisions because that’s what they do. Paying stupid people more doesn’t improve their decision making; doesn’t make them smart people, just enables them to make more stupid decisions. Wasting capital on incompatible nets is stupid; it’s just fascists’ way to gain monopoly. Monopoly, run by stupid people, is not socially or economically useful.
Well, you are not very knowledgeable 🙂 iPod touch users (in contrast to iPhone users) need to pay for their OS 3.0 upgrade. That’s why most of my apps run still on OS 2.0.
jdawg,
Can you please point me to where I can find these PCs you speak of that have hardware equal to a Mac but cost 1/4 to 1/3 as much? Every PC I’ve ever seen made of similar components and build quality costs within about 15% plus or minus compared to a Mac. It’s true you can’t find a truly dirt cheap disposable Mac but if you’re working in IT and you personally can’t scrape together enough money for a Mac mini or a Macbook then you might want to look into alternate employment. If for some reason you can’t find a Mac that suits your needs then by all means buy whatever PC does but then why are you whining about how much a Mac costs?
You fail to understand basic economics. For a product to be worth 3-4x more, it does not have to be 3-4x as good. The marginal benefit simply needs to be greater than the price difference.
i.e.
Computer A: cost $1000. benefit $5000
Computer B: cost $250. benefit $4100
Computer A is the better buy.
This is also why wall street high-frequency traders are willing to pay an extra $20k for a 1% performance gain.
People who cheap-out on computers are either fools or people who don’t get value out of their computers at all.
Sounds like a common problem with monkey-assed MBAs are put in a position of technical leadership. Maybe CEOs need to rethink the qualifications of the CIOs. Seems like more and more CIOs know more about debts and credits, and less about bits and bytes.
The problem with experts is that they often take themselves too seriously. They become too sure of themselves, and believe that they simply can’t be mistaken – ever. Or if they do turn out to be wrong, it must be because of the fault of some underling. 😉
Came to comment, but PaulH beat me to it!
I wonder if we work at the same company? 🙂
About the iPhone being the problem…
No problems reported in the rest of the world…
According to this blogger, the media and our assumption that what we read is true are the problems…
https://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/12/14/randall-stross-attacks-the-iphone-in-the-nyt-using-shills/
and
https://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/12/15/strand-consult-denmarks-illegitimate-iphone-angry-pundit-nutter/
What say you, Mr Cringely?
Of the surviving Baby Bells, SBC is by far the worst in terms of milking a network with captive customers for profit while starving it for investment. Just compare their vaporware Project Pronto that was supposed to bring fiber broadband speeds in their “service” area to Verizon’s genuine efforts with FiOS.
If the problem were with iPhones as the NYT article claims (another low point for a discredited institution), how come we do not hear of complaints from the many European and Asian iPhone subscribers? Or is it, perhaps, that the said Euro/Asian cellcos are actually run by engineers rather than lobbyist lawyers or bean counters, and they actually know what it takes to make a network deliver on its commitments?
One of AT&T’s slogans is “more bars in more places”, but to do so, they basically leaned over handset manufacturers to change the firmware on phones for AT&T to just display one more bar than the signal actually rates.
About Telcos and their purchasing departments:
I have yet to see my career a Telco who does not ask for yearly reductions on all CPE devices they order for. Heck infact some of them will go to the length of asking for the BOM breakdown. What was SBC thinking? I certainly don’t think AT&T and Verizon consider costs going up Moore’s law or not!
Don’t confuse issues. Coverage is not the same thing as speed.
– In the places where AT&T has 3G coverage, the speed is ridiculous fast.
– In the places where AT&T only has EDGE service, the speed is much slower, but it works for the most part.
The problem is, as you noted, that AT&T has pretty crappy 3G coverage. Only in big cities and close to major highways do you get that kind of data service.
AT&T definitely beats Verizon on speed in the places where AT&T has 3G. Everywhere else, Verizon wins. The thing to consider is this: How often are you “everywhere else”?
I rarely travel. I rarely leave my city. And I have excellent 3G here. So, on the whole, I prefer AT&T. If I traveled a lot and needed better roaming data, then Verizon would be a better choice for me.
People really have bought into the media message here. Where the hell is Sprint/Nextel or T-Mobile in this mix? Maybe you can avoid the lousy coverage of AT&T and the obscene $350 ETF of Verizon, after all.
Here here Otto. When I use my iPhone my first choice is WiFi, my second is 3G I’ll only use Edge in dire emergencies. I wonder if the 3G issues that people are seeing are related to this? http://j.mp/3hKpgP
Comic Adam Carolla referred once to a TV network ‘development meeting’ where the network executives (in their late 30’s at the time) had never heard of the comic Gallagher. One of the most successful comedy acts in the US for over ten years.
These are the same executives that make decisions as to what appears in tv sitcoms. No wonder they have no audience.
Sadly, many of them haven’t heard of “Cringely,” either.
Bob
Send them a Christmas card and they will never forget you.
LOL!!
Hah!
Better yet, send them NerdTV Season 2 🙂
It’s not the iPhone; it’s the network. The same problems hit Blackberry users on AT&T. Blackberry users drop calls all the time, can’t get a signal, just like iPhone users.
Anecdotal evidence: Howard Stern ranted for months about how crappy the AT&T service was in NYC. He loved the BB Bold (the Bold is exclusive to AT&T) except he couldn’t make or receive calls. He even persuaded other people to get the BB Bold at first. Well, they all switched to Verizon and now they get great service and no dropped calls.
Sorry, AT&T your network is not up to snuff.
Dan Lyons does as great service as “Fake Steve”. According to him AT&T is pending less and less on infrastructure while profits are rising and service is falling. It’s the Wall Street way.
Indeed. American Greed. What a beautiful thing…
“SBC had a corporate purchasing culture based on the idea that everything gets more expensive over time.”
Sounds like a government bureaucracy.
Bureaucracy is *not* a function of government. Bureaucracy is a function of group dynamics. Having worked in large organizations, both public and private, I have learned that ALL managers have but one priority: maximizing staff and budget, not efficient production. The efficient approach is always avoided if it doesn’t fatten either the budget or org chart.
Well, not exactly. Managers are focused on maximizing their personal compensation. In an organization where your level of responsibility and compensation is measured by headcount and budget, you get the bureaucratic approach. If compensation is measured by profit and rate of return on budget, you get the short-term thinking that results in heartless denial of service and cost cutting that erodes your customers’ and employees’ willingness to do business with you.
So how SHOULD managers be compensated?
So how SHOULD managers be compensated?
By customer satisfaction surveys? 🙂
Mr. Cringely,
I think you missed the main point of the NYT article. The point was that ATT’s network is superior with all phones but the iPhone because of faulty iPhone hardware or chipsets or whatever. So for you to say:
“I doubt this is actually the case. Last summer as my family and I wandered across the United States in our old Winnebago motor home equipped with two iPhones from AT&T but also cellular data from Verizon, I can say with some certainty that Verizon coverage was consistently better, no matter what the Times has to say.”
Is besides the point because you were experiencing the ATT network through the allegedly faulty iPhones and therefore actually prove the NYT is possibly correct in this regard.
The only way your anecdotal experience would have been relevant is if you wandered the US with two phones OTHER than the iPhone.
Missing that point makes your argument entirely moot, or should I say, as intelligent as the SBC officials who didn’t understand Moore’s law.
Best Regards,
Sam
So Sam, how much are you paid to troll for those greedy folks at AT&T ?
You really have zero clues. Time to learn how reality works.
Oldtimer, instead of leveling an immature personal attack on Sam how about you refute him with your ‘oldtimer’ knowledge, logic and reason. Defeat Sam’s argument with a more intelligent argument. Attacking him personally only shows that YOU are the one emotionally involved in the discussion (anti-ATT or perhaps you are paid by verizon) and have lost all objectivity.
I personally like Verizon but I see Sam’s point as sound. The NYT article clearly indicates that the issue with the ATT network is with the iPhone hardware, therefore using that same hardware and concluding that the network is poor is exactly what the article is saying. I am surprised Cringely missed this and wrote a whole piece based on his experience that in retrospect is entirely irrelevant as all he used was iPhones and not any other ATT phones.
Except that posters earlier in the thread mention that they (and Howard Stern) were having similar problems on AT&T with their Blackberrys. So it’s NOT iPhone specific.
I’ve talked to other users in other countries about their iPhones. They just don’t have the problems we have with AT&T.
There were problems with the original iPhone before the firmware upgrades, but the people outside of the U.S. never had them.
I think the problem AT&T is having is the same one that set the memory limit of MS-DOS to 640K — a gross underestimation of what was needed.
AT&T worked with Apple on the iPhone and then looked at their network. They said “Well, we have Blackberry users who read email constantly and occasionally surf the web. Even if iPhone users use double the amount of data, we have plenty of bandwidth!”
The problem is that iPhone users didn’t simply use double the amount of bandwidth. They used 12 times the amount of bandwidth. While Blackberry users occasionally surfed the Web, the whole purpose of the iPhone seemed to be the portable web browser. And, the Blackberry never had a Youtube client. Things got even worse when the App Store was created.
AT&T should have known it was in trouble when the first month of bills were sent out. People got a whole phonebook worth of bill showing each kilobyte of data transferred.
Before Verizon gloats over AT&T’s problems, they better see how well they do if the Droid platform really takes off. Verizon’s advantage is that people have to stop surfing the Internet when they talk on the phone. That will lower their bandwidth usage a little bit. Of course, with the Droid, people can use Skype over Verizon’s network to make phone calls, and since the Droid allows more than one program to run at a time, that might not be the case.
Steve Jobs and Apple by extension are almost pathologically introverted control freaks. But the problem here is basic Corporate Arrogance 101. It isn’t so much Moore’s Law, but the Peter Principle and the Henry Ford’s playbook.
Big corporations are no more efficient and intelligent than big government. Capitalism is powerful, but not necessarily wise or even smart and it attracts people who are like that.
The NY Times piece is terrible. The author clearly demonstrates a lack of understanding in the difference between speed and bandwidth. He then jumps to the conclusion that the that the iPhone’s inferior technology is the cause of AT&T’s bad reputation. Then I read this column which does nothing to refute the poor reporting in the piece it references, but rather implies there’s merit behind it due to some Apple gag order.
Am I the only one who thinks this is ridiculous?
I do. Though I enjoyed the SBC anecdote (hilarious!) and the rumor that Steve Jobs has bought almost every copyrighted photo ever taken of him, the paragraphs about the iPhone are truly weird.
Bob spends several paragraphs astutely reasoning out the reasons behind a notion he says, at beginning and end, he doesn’t believe!
Bob, maybe next week you could do a piece on how many angels could dance on the head of a pin, and tie that into your yearly predictions?
I think Apple products are for rich people, or people with some kind of anxiety about their image. I don’t carry a cell phone, though I do earn $100,000 per year (one of those ignorant engineers); yet I couldn’t bear the financial burden of feeding one of those things, let alone two. Actually I do have a cast-off Samsung M300 that had been re-gifted to me, it would cost $15 per month to keep it going; and I could pair it to my Samsung Yepp P2 to be a poor man’s iPhone; but man, I just can’t see blowing that kind of recurring expense on a phone! I’m already paying like $40 per month for land service + unlimited long distance. That $15 is like a 40% hike in the bill for the convenience of toting around a glorified Tamagotcha.
iPhone, go burden somebody else!
Oh, Grunchy.
>I think Apple products are for […] people with some kind of anxiety
>about their image. I […] earn $100,000 per year
No further comment is necessary.
DGF
I worked on a 6 month consulting gig at SBC many years ago. I was appalled at what I saw. In most companies you try to constantly cut costs, make the business more efficient. In SBC, now AT&T you tried to spend every penny of your budget whether it did anything for the company or not.
Worst groups within SBC constantly fought with each other, one trying to make the other look bad so that they could gain an advantage. Some groups spent a serious amount of time keeping other groups from doing their work.
AT&T’s business culture is to charge the same or more for their service, into perpetuity. It is alien to them to try to do more for less. I hope someday the utility commissions in each state will wake up and start challenging AT&T to clean up its act.
Which is a big reason I haven’t signed up for U-Verse vs. DSL. I’m not getting more for less or even the same for less. They charge the same $43 for 6 mb/s service (Florida). Of course if I need higher bandwidth U-Verse has some more headroom to sell me, but they want to charge $50-60 or more for that. Knock $5 off your price points if you want people to migrate, AT&T!
Robert, there is a problem with your logic in not believing that AT&T has a better network than Verizon. You say you had worse reception on AT&T but you also say you were using two iPhones! You have actually lent anecdotal evidence to the claim. Apple is great at packaging, marketing and innovation but their engineering isn’t always the best.
if they were typical grey-wool-suit lifer Telco executives, you could never convince them that time, technology, and increasing scale of production could bring down the cost of a product.
because to the lifer Telco man, growing up in the lifer Telco environment, it WAS totally impossible.
in the old days, when Western Electric was the source and a captive production arm of Ma Bell, and the local operating companies like Southern Bell, NY Telephone, Mountain States Telephone and the like were captive local operations arms of Ma Bell, the guys in the tower at AT&T in New York decided what the year’s network traffic was going to be. they decided how much growth was going to happen in each BOC, in each city, in each office. they decided how much wire and how many stepper switch units and how many black telephones were going to be used.
then they issued the requirements for orders to the local managers, and the production schedules to WeCo, to coincide with the amount of money they figured ought to circulate in the company.
curiously, since all roads and left-pocket, right-pocket transactions ended up at the same place, the prices to be charged seemed designed to make all the numbers come out at the end. and nothing ever got cheaper. at divestiture in 1984, you may remember that the old solid phone on the desk for 15 years was suddenly worth $200, but you can buy it now, will that be check, cash, or Visa card? or keep paying $1.50 per phone per month.
that’s how come Moore’s Law is a heresy.
nice website for telco fanatics… https://www.porticus.org/bell/bell.htm
here’s how the money flowed… https://www.porticus.org/bell/lifebellsystem.htm
I work as a systems engineer for an OEM that manufactures handsets for most all carriers globally, the info in the NYTimes article and in many of the posts above are flawed; I could write you a thesis, but it all boils down to some salient points:
1.) The GSM radio and other hardware in the iPhones is not “flawed”, it is not unique to Apple iPhones.
2.) “Who has the best network” is not something easily quantified. If you do empirical testing it really boils down to how many users are on the servicing tower, the bandwidth provided to that tower, your distance from the tower which will determine the signal strength in dB and to an extent the capacity of the overall network and load balancing implemented thereon. While at a given location Network A may be the “best” moving a few miles in a given direction might prove Network B as being superior.
3.) If the primary locations in which you use the cell phone, typically home and/or workplace are in a “fringe coverage” area for a given network, your experience for either data throughput or call voice quality/call drops/failure to originate/terminate voice calls will be suboptimal. Doesn’t matter WHICH network, that’s just the way it works. When people ask me which network provider to use, I always tell them to talk to their neighbors and see who has the worst horror stories viz-a-viz any particular carrier/network.
4.) Given the above, on an overall general basis, VZW has on a consistent basis the network that tests out the best and the most stringent standards and testing for any OEM to get a handset approved to launch on a network. That being said, read item 3.) above again, as depending on the location(s) in which you use your cell the most, an “overall” basis may be meaningless to your experience.
There is NO problem with the iPhone hardware. Any problems with iPhones on the AT&T network are not iPhone hardware related.
I live in Australia and as some of the commentators here have noted the iPhone is not limited to a single network in our country, where we have two main networks:
Optus: Performance on our Optus network sounds pretty much like your descriptions of AT&T. The difference here is they can definitively be seen to be caused by two things a) gross over-subscription particularly in some key high population areas and b) relatively poorer performance of the most common Optus/Vodafone higher 2100MHz frequency service (they are rolling out 900MHz in some areas).
Our forums (like http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/) are filled with complaints about the performance of our Optus network in relation to ALL phone manufacturers, with drop-outs and poor speeds commonplace. Despite the much higher cost and lower data allowances, many users have have migrated to…
Telstra: They charge premium rates resulting in much less congestion. Their “NextG” network operates at 900Mhz. ( Compared with 2100MHz, 900Mhz is significantly better from the point of view of RF propagation and penetration through walls, shrubbery etc.)
Our forums are full of praise for the performance of the Telstra network. Even though very many Australians love to hate Telstra for it’s bullying domination, people are quick to agree that the network performance is truly excellent.
There is simply no suggestion that the iPhone hardware does not perform on a par with it’s all it’s competitors from a reception point of view ON BOTH NETWORKS and it is very clear from our experience that the only differences in performance we witness are with the networks themselves.
Excellent analysis. I’ve seen very similar “random acts of ignorance” in the pharmaceutical industry so for IT management not to completely understand Moore’s Law is no big surprise. The most successful companies in any tech sector will be those that are in constant contact with the troops in the trenches (or labs in this case).
It seems you mention two different things in your article that seem to be the point of attack by all the commercials I see from AT&T and Verizon. There is “speed of the network”, and then there is “access to the network”. Access is a product of how many phones can the access point actually accept, multiplied by the actual data points. Speed of data once on the network is a different thing. End user experience is a combination of both of these functions. AT&T probably does have the faster network. But the lack of access points because the company didn’t build out their 3G network to HANDLE all that requested data is what the Verizon ads point to. If you can’t get on the network, all the speed in the world will not make the difference. Also, two very high speed locations and 1 million slow speed access points may mean you have the “fastest service”, but only on 2 access points!
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I’ve been with Bell/AT&T since the get-go and the service has always been very good until the huge leaps in the number of cell customers took place, especially when Bell took over AT&T then vice versa and customer bases grew tremendously. When the iphone came along, we all switched from voice to data – and to top it off the base grew almost exponentially with the phones popularity.
We have no way to know whether Version’s network could have stood up to such growth and demand of cell expansion, but they can always claim it in advertisements. From what I read the loudest gripes come from the areas of the country with the largest populations and most intense data usage and while the other carrier may be no better maybe it deserves a shot just to see if it is equally crappy.
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I’m waaay late to this party, but the AT&T/Verizon argument just galls me. Of course AT&T’s network can’t handle the iphone… there’s no way they have the infrastructure. And while I’ll agree that verizon probably has better coverage in terms of area, I’d be willing to bet that when the droids hit the same penetration as the iphone, Verizon’s network will exhibit equal levels of suck in high density markets.
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