This is the first of probably three columns on health care. The Obama Administration right now has in Congress legislation for reforming the U.S. health system so that sets my agenda. But the point of these columns isn’t to comment, per se, on the current proposals, but instead to look at what I believe to be my two areas of some strength — Information Technology and understanding complex systems — and see how they can be applied to this problem.
And it IS a problem. That’s the only part of this debate that all sides agree on. The doctors feel beleaguered and Lord knows that sick and uninsured people sure do, too. Even corporate fat cats are appalled at the explosive growth in health spending which today takes more of our GDP than any other expense category, costing approximately $2.5 TRILLION per year.
So if we can all agree on the goals of better and more efficient health care with some way to make it available to the largest possible number of people, the question then becomes what’s the best way to do that?
Government isn’t very good at answering such questions, but then in many cases neither is industry if their business model has to include ever-increasing earnings.
Imagine, just for a moment, what the U.S. health care industry would look like if it were managed solely by that paragon of capitalism, Goldman Sachs. The 48 million Americans without health insurance would probably be ignored completely while those who could pay more would get boutique medical services beyond belief and doctors would come to rely on substantial year-end bonuses. For some, such a system would be better but for most it would be worse, though supremely profitable. And when that “most of us” come to constitute most of the American working population, too, it will ultimately come to effect U.S. productivity and then we’re hosed.
So while it is convenient and fun to criticize government programs, let they who are without sin cast the first stones.
There are some things government is actually good at, among which are setting goals for good behavior. The Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act in the 1960s changed America for the better by setting environmental goals then letting the marketplace figure out how best to reach those goals. Without a target and a penalty for not reaching it, we wouldn’t have improved our environment as much.
So let’s step gently into this health care debate by looking at one area where Information Technology is central — health records.
There are lots of advantages to computerizing health records. A couple of years ago I visited the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, to discuss this very issue. Mayo has been in the forefront of digitizing all of its six million patient records. This is a bigger job than most of us realize since it involves not just blood tests and doctor’s notes but also X-Rays and CAT scans.
Mayo, which was a century ago the first clinic in America to standardize the way it kept records in the first place, is also at the forefront in creative ways to use those records once they are in the system. You see Mayo doesn’t have six million patients, they have six million patient records — many of those being records of people long dead. But keeping extensive records of dead people creates a powerful database for statistical testing of possible treatments and even drug interactions. “Surely in those six million records there is something similar to this medical mystery we are trying to solve today.” And often there is.
Figuring out from an analysis of records that combining drugs A, B, and G sometimes kills people can be good to know.
Mayo is taking the process even further to include DNA data for many patients with the goal of being able to statistically identify genetic trends within the population through records analysis.
That’s the good side. The negative side of all this record keeping is that many people see it as a possible invasion of patient privacy. This is what led to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) of a few years ago which forced health providers to be more strict in how they managed health records, adding at the same time about $25 billion per year to the cost of keeping us all in the system.
Hey, isn’t Information Technology supposed to SAVE money?
Sometimes. Ideally, it should.
So medical records are an area where IT could make us healthier and, if done correctly, ought to save lots of money, too. What we need is some form of centralized medical record keeping that preserves patient privacy yet, at the same time, keeps us from shopping all over town for bogus Oxycontin prescriptions.
Here is an ideal opportunity for government to set a standard for medical records and possibly even to develop medical records software, though I don’t think it has to go that far. What’s required is a specification that would allow health care providers to interface with a medical database, knowing how to insert and retrieve data. It’s a specification, NOT a national database.
And here’s what we do with the specification. We establish that patients own their own records. Supposedly they already to but doctors and clinics do a darned good job of keeping us from moving by retaining those records. Under my system we’d take the records away from the health care providers entirely, at the same time relieving them of the need for records clerks and much of their current HIPAA responsibilities.
Then we’d let a thousand databases bloom. Organizations could establish health record databases compliant with the Federal standard but not otherwise subject to Federal control. These databases could be accessed by any authorized medical care provider — authorized by you.
Patients could decide where they’d like their health records to reside, with that service possibly becoming a perk for membership in certain organizations. So you could keep your health records at the National Rifle Association, for example, while I might keep mine at the American Civil Liberties Union (or at Pep Boys, whichever is cheaper). If you are worried about government snooping, trust your records to an organization mortally opposed to government ANYTHING.
Record access becomes a lot like an electronic funds transfer. Banks have spent a lot of money working-out the technical details of giving and denying access to databases with a variety of key systems. You give your doctor access to records of a certain kind for a certain period of time and that’s it. The system ought to work well for everyone.
And it even can be the basis of new types of business. I can see third-party outfits popping-up to parse your records (at YOUR request) to look for likely genetic problems or for past and present medical mistakes concerning multiple prescriptions, bad drug interactions, etc. Here $10 per year could save hundreds — maybe thousands — of not just dollars, but lives.
And what does this record system look like, when you come down to it? It’s the World Wide Web — medical records as a web app. And one thing we know about web apps, as opposed to any kind of medical technology — the price only drops over time.
More to come.
Bob: do you see Google Health and Microsoft’s Health Vault as coming close to your idea if they had a standard API?
They’d be closer with a standard API, but then they wouldn’t be what they are, which are efforts to exclude each other.
You could use either service, declare it a standard, but then — here’s the key — host the data with affinity organizations like I described. Oh you could leave it with Google or Microsoft, too, though at a cost in trust. Or even leave it with the NRA AT Google or Microsoft I suppose. The issue is how to do truly trusted record storage and I think it is easier to put records with someone you already trust than to develop trust with someone new.
That seems more like a medical OpenID, no?
I think trust is important here, and people can trust Microsoft and Google with their data.
However, I think, trusting any online provider like those two is only *one* part, the other part are the doctors and/or clinics whom we have already trusted. If they can lead the trust, by telling their patients, we use these online services to manage your health records, and you can access them there. And the branding and experience is still the same as you would go to their clinics.
Of course, it’s clear that data is hosted and managed by online providers, however, the trust is not with these providers, only indirectly, the trust is with their doctors. The patient and the doctors just happens to use these online providers.
Taking the doctors out of the trust equation, i think will not work.
I used to trust Google.
Speaking of trust, can we trust doctors to update our (externally held) records in a timely manner? There’s quite a trade-off for doctors between reduced expenses in maintaining records (and possibly in billing, if the billing can be done from the records repositories as well), and the risk of losing patients due to the increased portability. I can easily see some doctors resisting the system by failing to update the information if billing is not included and they can get paid without making the records update. They may prefer the control over the patients and their data that they currently have.
Cringley,
I tuned out after you said “the government should go ahead and develop medical records software.”. You must be joking. The government would not accomplish that task – never in a million years. You must be out of your mind….your argument went down hill after that….
Where do you think we live….France? here we come Socialism…..
John Herndon
Carmel Indiana
Herndon
It should be obvious to anyone that America’s health care problems come from not having enough socialism in the system. Why are Americans so antisocial? The law of the jungle (capitalism) just cannot work in civilised care systems. Sorry you market forces dinosaurs but socialism is coming to all sorts of American institutions near you.
Malcolm, well put, I totally agree. The health care system is a commons in Garrett Hardin’s frame of reference, and the law of the jungle cannot optimize it, it can only destroy it.
Socialistis solutions vs. capitalistic solutions will be the biggest fight the USA has for the next 10 years or so. And the politics of that fight will work its way into any technology solution created (by either -ism). If you don’t believe that, go read (or reread) the book “Code” by Lawrence Lessig (as well as all the columns Bob has written on the subject).
Malcom,
Answer this, did socialism bring you ipod, wii, twitter, facebook, google, 50″ LCD TV, or even netbooks? No. Capitalism did that. There is a reason why they have the old saying, “Close enough for government work.”
“Answer this, did socialism bring you ipod, wii, twitter, facebook, google, 50″ LCD TV, or even netbooks?”
Roads, sewers, clean air, clean water, child labor laws, free education or even freedom of speech.
Go on and twitter about about your great ipod, but i’m pretty glad we don’t have to wallow in our own filth and have the right to whine about it.
Hey Kevin, read the statement again and ponder that for a few seconds more. I said “socialism.” As far as I can tell clean water, roads, and general infrastructure in the United States were built under the Republic form of government as written in the Constitution. Oh yeah, its unlikely that in most socialist countries, that you get the chance to whine about things. Just ask those students in Tiananmen Square what their socialist government thought about their whining.
I’m not necessarily a fan of France, but it gets a bit tiring everytime some Americans want to put down an idea or suggestion not invented in the US to shout “France!” and “Socialism!”. Could you guys get a life?
The facts are that the US spends significantly more on health care both in monetary terms and as a percentage of GDP and comparisons with other OECD countries show that Americans don’t necessarily live any longer or are in better health than in many European countries.
Yes, we have some sort of government health care in almost all European countries AND we spend less on health care than the US and we get more or less the same result. And if I do want better health care than the government system provides I still have the option to pay for additional health insurance coverage. It is not either/or.
Boys,
Name one socialistic country that works.
Herndon
Bjorn,
The OECD medical systems all ration health care in ways that deny care to older people. Being over 50 now, I was glad that I did not live in OECD. Now I guess I’ll have to and suffer more waits, and more expense, for poorer care.
Viva Socialism, bad expensive services delivered by people who buy votes.
Let me first make clear that I am definitely not a socialist.
John,
I didn’t make it very clear in my post, but what I was alluding to is the fact that many Americans (you included?) equate France with socialism, and whilst it is true that France does take public ownership further than the US, that doesn’t mean it is a socialist country.
I assume you might equate things such as protecting national companies against competition from abroad and supporting uneconomic industries with government handouts as something socialists would do. At least I do. Let’s see:
The US has a tariff of 54 cents per gallon for imported ethanol?
US rice farmers received $1.3 billion in 2003 from the government?
President Bush imposed a tariff on imported steel in 2002?
Allan,
Nobody lives in the OECD, but plenty of people live in OECD member countries. You are not American? Because the US has been a member of the OECD since 1961. Amongst the things the OECD does is make comparative statistical reports that attempt to identify which member countries do better at various things and why. What I commented on is the fact that OECD reports show that the US has the most expensive health care system of all OECD member countries, and the US doesn’t have the results you would assume the higher cost would provide. You already have the most expensive system, get it? I’m not saying you should emulate anyone particular European health care system, I am only pointing out that many of them provide better value for money than the US system. You seem to equate government-supported health-care with socialism, is it not true that employer-provided health insurance gives the company a tax break? A tax break is a form of government support.
Name one socialistic country that works…
Singapore? I’m not sure if going from what National Geographic called the most filthy, illiterate, and poor third world country in the 50s and 60s to one of the most powerful, cleanest, richest, super technology and trading hub in southeast Asia, if not the world, in about 11 years counts.
It had Nothing going for them, no natural resources, notta. But yet they were anti commnist and turned on an independent, 100% literacy and child education policy that turned the place upside down. In fact, while the former British colony was releasing control, the British asked the Americans and CIA to butt out in a situation known as ‘the Emergency’ where the US considered another Vietnam style invasion because we felt the ‘domino effect’ in it’s socialist agenda was taking hold. The British gently told the US to leave it alone or face war with the UK on the other side.
Or at least that’s what I recall.
I’m all for capitalism until it starts taking that which it has not earned. Then it’s not capitalism, but lawless corruption.
The government can do it.
At least the Canadian Government. My hospital in Toronto is digitized. Had an xray, walk down the hall and the doctor is looking at it on a client. Annotates it and back in the system to go to a specialist.
I don’t think Bob touched on the approach to the delivery of medical care at all, only software to store the medical data. Before you throw a gasket over the socialist implications of the US Government developing a standard or even the software itself, remember that you are using government software every time you post a rant on the Internet.
Actually, this is already done. VISTA, the Veterans Affairs EMR system is one of – if not the most – successful and widely used systems in the world. Furthermore, it’s been open-sourced under the FIOA. This is actually quite a gem that’s available for use, dissection, and understanding that we’re all overlooking. Although Microsoft may have clouded your Google (er, Bing) search, check out VISTA, and I think you’ll be surprised that this can happen without any hint of socialism, France, or any other irrelevant aspects that were mentioned. Also, you should check out the FHA and CONNECT, a very modern (SOA) approach to a very real Healthcare problem. Again, OpenSourced. These are all *very* good things for HealthIT.
John Herndon, who is joking? France is not a socialist country. They have a right wing gouvernement and a socialistic party that is nearly dead at this moment.
All,
I actually haven’t studied French politics in many years – i assumed they were socialist because they have a socialist president…my bad. However, last year I had the pleasure of working on a project that included British, Canadian, and American resources. During our free time (and there wasn’t much), we compared health systems and experiences. By in large my Canadian and British friends had one thing to say about their health systems – “it sucks”. In fact, one of the Canadian resources was fortunate to have a heart attack while we was visiting the USA – his contention was that being in the USA saved his life.
Having said that, much of the added health expense we have in the USA comes because we don’t take care of ourselves. We eat too much, play too much game things, sit too much at our terminals, etc. Blah blah blah – now, here comes the government to “save” us. The cure will be way worse than the disease. We will dilute the quality of care of the 90% of people who have insurance to save the 10% of people who don’t. In the end, we are each responsible for our own health. I love my GP – but he is way underpaid because he works on the part the health equation that seeks to prevent rather than treat health issues. The government funding health care is not going to fix these screwed up incentives. And, socialist systems simply do not work unless there is a crisis – like with WWII. Market based systems are the most efficient way to go….don’t take what you have for granted – the plan in congress will make things generally worse for everyone.
FYI … the government already has multiple medical health record databases and medical logistics software, and is investing millions (if not hundreds of millions of dollars per year) into upgrading and maintaining these systems. This software is used by managers, administrators and doctors, and possibly by the patients themselves.
You see, the US government employs millions of people that are sent all around the world with the job of defending this country. This type of business usually involves accidents and many times encourages purposeful attacks on these individuals by third parties. Most of the time, someone will require medical attention, even an operation. That person will have to be under a doctors care for months, years, or even a lifetime.
Before you go off an take a ludicrous standpoint like, “the government would never be able to do it”, maybe you should give some credit to the men and women working for the federal government supporting these missions.
Hi John,
Maybe you want to take a look at what the VA (Veterans Affairs) has done with EHR and it was not done with contractors, who want in and out as quickly as they can (as in FBI Trilogy). VA medicine, as measured in outcomes, has improved significantly over the last decade, in large part due to the emphasis on EHR and accessibility to patients’ records.
Its pretty amazing when you sit down with your VA doctor and he shows you on a large LED screen, while talking with you, pictures from various scans as well as comparisons to earlier tests.
Compare that with my private medicine doctor who usually starts off the visit with “Let’s see. It is your right foot, or is it your left foot?”
The VA is now my health provider by choice!
To quote nanoakron from Slashdot:
“Your system is broken, and kept in place by a group of conmen who have convinced you that there are boogiemen lurking around the corner of healthcare reform. Much like the North Korean belief that the rest of the world is a starving nuclear wasteland.”
Socialism is the biggest boogieman of all in this debate. We’ve already lost the rights of our doctors to control our treatment. The HMOs and insurance companies run that now. The government can hardly be any worse.
Bob is right. The gov’t should be in the position of being the defacto standards body and the data structures should all be Open Standard. There are already the ICD9 and CPT5 codes (or is it ICD5 and CPT9)? For the overall super-structure, and any of the sub-structures, XML is the natural and obvious choice here. That makes it accessible with pretty much any programming language in any environment.
Any text file is readable by any language. There is nothing special about xml. Well………….. all that bloat. Structure (the actual processing) is external. The notion of “self describing” is a no nothing shibboleth.
What makes xml special is wide-spread support and acceptance and a lot of tools available. xml is horrid in many ways, but it does have specific advantages over generic text files, and there are numerous tools and libraries for it. Other than that, I probably agree with all you have said.
My only issue with this would be security. Credit card companies, which supposedly have the strongest electronic security around have been hacked many times. Does anyone honestly think that the government can do any better? I don’t.
Strange: arguing that because private enterprise has failed in the matter of credit cards, government surely will fail at securing medical records, therefore private enterprise is superior at handling medical records?
Does not compute.
Unless the health insurance industry is reformed, there are still problems with these records. For example when signing up for individual health insurance in California, some insurers demand unrestricted access to your records. That may sound fine but it presents problems. In the UK just over a decade ago there was a fuss because supplemental insurers asked the question “Have you ever had an AIDS test?”. Note that they did not ask what the result was. Their logic was that anyone who had a test must have been in a higher risk group, irrespective of if the test was false or positive. With US insurers having complete access to your records they could stay away from you if you have ever had a cholesterol test or an STD test using similar logic.
Considering that most life insurers in the US require an AIDS test as part of the exam to qualify for the insurance, that just wouldn’t fly over here.
You might want to take a look at David Siegel’s “Futurize Your Enterprise” for a description, written quite a few years ago, of how personal ownership of computerized health records might be used. It is very much along the lines you suggest. Set the standard format in XML and then give the ownership keys to the individual accessible only on his or her approval.
Obama’s CTO took part in a briefing to a large group in DC a couple of weeks ago regarding the Nationwide Health Information Network (NHIN). Although the NHIN does not follow Bob’s assertion that people necessarily choose their health information vault, it does go towards establishing a standard for health record information (HL-7+CDA), and a common architecture for retrieving the EMRs. This effort has both DoD and civilian partners, and could be the first step towards realizing many of the goals in this article.
Didn’t you just loose your data at Orbits?
Just remembering what you just wrote, I guess. Good safe place. yeah.
National Archive, keeps things like moon landing tapes….oh yea.
My bank, that cannot remember my email address?
A credit card company, like Bank of America? AIG?
(I loose things too, so my basement is out…..)
Our city records department that lost 4 years of our tax records?
Lets just give up on this privacy myth and perhaps we could
come up with something.
The Goldman Sachs aside is pretty dumb. If they were in “control” of health care that would mean they were a monopoly… far from the free-market that is usually associated with capitalism. At least if Goldman Sachs were running it, they wouldn’t be spending money they didn’t have and incurring liabilities that will enslave the next generation. (Well, GS probably will enslave the next generation, just not in the same way. 🙂 )
Goldman Sachs has nothing to do with Capitalism. They are dependent upon favors from the Federal Reserve and the Government, and receive bailout after bailout. Whether these bailouts are direct (gov backed loans) or indirect (payouts from AIG which was again, bailed out) is immaterial.
This is not capitalism. This is not the free market.
Jeff, you took the words right out of my mouth. The better analogy is Goldman Sachs is to capitalism what the benefits federal politicians receive are to Human Resources. Cringely laid yet another egg with this column. As I see it Health Care policy is the tar pits of politics. There is one right solution and 100 bad ones. The right solution is to enable consumer choice which is done by (a) decreasing state regulation of health insurance and (b) making health care insurance a personal, rather than corporate, policy. Every other “solution” is base on the erroneous notion that bureaucrats can manage economic activity. One would think the countless economic policy failures of the past decade would be sufficient to keep us from going down this road again.
Personal insurance would be fine if individuals could qualify for group rates of coverage. “Individual” health insurance costs more for most individuals than paying doctors out of pocket. On the order of $10,000-$20,000 a year.
>>Here is an ideal opportunity for government to set a standard for medical records
In 2003, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services approached the Health Level 7 (a Standards Development Organization) and requested that such a standard be developed. I know because I was there. I have not checked in on the progress of the HL7 EHR in a long while, but I know quite a bit of work has been done. In addition to the HL7 EHR, there is the Open EHR, which has been developed by people in the UK and Australia.
You’ve got the right idea Bob, but there are issues boy are there ever issues in doing what you propose–rice bowls will be broken; oxes will be gored. After years of trying, I for one am taking a different approach, one that does not involve the govt.
Links:
HL7 EHR
https://www.hl7.org/ehr/
OpenEHR
https://www.openehr.org/home.html
I’m going to leave my records with Orbitz!
One issue to be resolved is emergency medical access to EMRs – especially after an accident when you (or your medical advocate) aren’t able to give permission to access those EMRs in a timely fashion. I know you could wear a bracelet or whatever with your EMR ID so emergency room medical personnel can have some kind of override to access your EMR. But that can be abused in so many ways.
You should fix that glaring inaccuracy immediately. There are not 48 million Americans without healthcare.
Factor out illegal immigrants
Factor out people who are temporarily without healthcare because they are between jobs. Sure, those are without healthcare but that is an ever changing number and populace.
Factor out adults who can afford it but choose not to purchase it because they would rather put the money elsewhere.
Factor out about the @ 5 million children who qualify for health care but their parents, either through ignorance or laziness, do not sign them up.
And you are left with about 7 million Americans who genuinely don’t qualify for a healthcare program and can’t afford it.
We as a country can provide those people with a plan without turning the entire healthcare system upside down and fundamentally changing everything in a matter of months.
Factor in the underinsured who forego healthcare because they have a huge deductible or a low upper limit on claims.
Factor in the children who are denied coverage in SCHIP because state funding ran dry.
Why factor out people between jobs? They need coverage too, and could be out of work for months if not years.
I could see companies hosting your data for free, given that you allow your records to be part of a data mining study. The companies would sell their research results.
“So if we can all agree on the goals of better and more efficient health care with some way to make it available to the largest possible number of people…”
Why pick on “health care”. It’s no more or less important than other things like: energy, education, internet bandwidth, computation power, air-conditiioning, housing, transportation, etc. The free market is the best way to allocate limited resources. All other politically motivated attempts are disruptive and based on the socialist principle that the government knows more than the people they are supposed to serve, hence steal from them in the form of taxes and spend their money in their best interest since they don’t know what’s good for them.
“The free market is the best way to allocate limited resources.”
As so admirably demonstrated by the stock market bubble, the real estate bubble and the commodities bubble. And their subsequent crashes. Government may be less efficient, but it is definitely more stable. Sometimes stability is more important than efficiency.
And there is no such thing as a no-holds-barred free market anywhere in the world anyway, except in places where the government has failed. Government regulation exists in order to ensure that market participants don’t have too much of an information advantage over each other. Otherwise the natural tendency of humans to try to scam each other will predominate, and you get things like fake “virus scanners” that actually put malware onto your computer. Even safety regulations can be interpreted as ensuring that consumers can assume that the products they buy meet those standards. This _increases_ market efficiency by eliminating the redundancy of each consumer performing their own safety tests. The “free” market needs government to function smoothly.
So now that we’ve determined that the “free” market is really a whore to government regulation, all we are doing now is negotiating the price. How much government involvement is required to stabilize our health care and insurance systems and achieve an optimum of health costs vs. coverage? Not saying I have the answer to that, but throwing out a solution simply because it isn’t the “free” market is blind dogma, not legitimate analysis.
You have a valid point. We are a nation of laws. However, as far stability is concerned, the Germans, in their defense of Hitler, said “he made the trains run on time”. Price controls have been tried before to achieve stability. But the US in the 50’s and the USSR in the 80’s got tired of waiting on long lines for bread, milk, and toilet paper. We must be careful in our pursuit of stability.
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*cough* copy Australia/UK already *cough*
Are you indicating that people in the UK/Australia are not up to the task?
See, in the US healthcare system we could fix that pneumonia for you.
Actually, Canada (or maybe Germany) is more palatable: single payer/multiple provider, rather than single payer/single provider. We could keep the current insurance industry involved by having the single payer buy re-insurance from them for cost overruns in claims.
I’m trying to phrase this in the most polite way possible but there’s no way around the fact that what you suggest is the worst possible solution.
Remember electronic voting machines? At the very beginning the feds and the state govs had the same reasoning you had. The banks have the security problems licked, so let’s go to the ATM industry for secure electronic voting. The banks haven’t solved database security problems. Nobody’s solved database security problems. Farming out to affinity orgs who are innocent in matters of security will make things worse.
Then, you don’t address the problem of actually filling out EHRs. This is one of the biggest time-wasting financial nightmares in any transition. It’s bigger even than the security problem, in a way, and no one has found an economical solution yet. Finding it will take massive investments in R and D for both software and hardware, and years of trials, and farming things out to R and D innocent affinity orgs sure won’t solve that.
>> Then, you don’t address the problem of actually filling out EHRs. This is one of the biggest time-wasting financial nightmares in any transition.
You are right.
What is lacking is fine grained, tight integration of the EHR into the work flow of an HCF (Health Care Facility) I recently did a survey of friends I have in the industry (both in the US and elsewhere) just to find out if anyone has even heard of the aforementioned thing. No one had.
I don’t think it’s been done.
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/opinion/30goetz.html
The Veterans Administration has had electronic medical records integrated into their workflow (VistA) for years. VistA is an extremely impressive system, and I have seen it in action. Patients can move to and from any VA clinic, and all health records, including x-rays and the like are available to whichever doctor happens to be treating that patient. The software goes as far as reminding nurses to give patients their meds, and warning the next nurse that said patient already got their pills, thank you very much.
The only flaw that I see in this system is that it is not standardized. I guess standardization is hard to achieve when you are still waiting years for the private sector to catch up. On the bright side, the system is now available to the private sector (see link).
Hi Alain. I couldn’t understand your post.
The government biffed electronic voting machines with HAVA by overspecifying a solution to a problem that didn’t exist. The result is widespread disenfranchisement and less confidence in the election results.
The justification for electronic medical records is of a completely different nature.
ATMs are not secure, and worse so over time. They’re not a model to follow.
6mil records? Is that all? Kaiser Permanente has 20 million patient records, only 45% of which are for current/living members. They’ve been computerizing medical records for forty years. KP’s Division of Research is linked into the National Research Database, a virtual DB — exactly the kind of “standard interface” you’re talkin bout — that links with other medical research facilities.
Pep Boys, NRA, Google, Microsoft, yeah, whatever, keep your low-cost recordkeeping amateurs out of my medical care, and keep my records off the web!
Have fun finding your frequent flier numbers. Thank your lucky stars Orbitz didn’t lose your colonoscopy results.
This column was full of Awful. Your misinformed stereotype of anti-government organizations is embarrassing. Stay out of politics. Go back to writing about the technology you know about, not the tech you don’t.
Imagine being killed by a backhoe 2,000 miles away.
The Cloud is not reliable enough (yet?) to host life-critical services. While you might trust an SLA from the NRA (or ACLU), do you trust their ISP? Or their DNS provider? What if there is a mass outbreak of swine flu at the annual NRA convention, and their EHR servers are underprovisioned? What if the ACLU launches a deliberate DDOS attack on them? Your local ER docs won’t be able to do a thing about it.
Standards are essential, but around the frayed edges of every standard you will find myriad incompatibilities. My EHR provider may implement HL7, but which of the “optional” features are supported? What authentication methods may be used to access the database? Does the web interface work with the ancient version of Internet Explorer found on the hospital’s desktop terminals? Instead of one complex of systems under their own control, the hospital’s IT staff will have to deal with hundreds or thousands of web-based EHR providers with conflicting interpretations of the standards — and different assumptions about all the nuts-and-bolts details that were left unspecified.
You’re right, the banks and exchanges have spent a fortune over the past few decades getting all of this right (or not.) A similar web of EDI already exists between the health care providers and insurance companies. (The complexity and overhead of such systems is one of the drivers of rising health care costs.) Compared to the old methods of harcopies and couriers, the new systems are clearly superior — and therefore necessary.
When it comes to EHR, I would rather have my medical records stored as close as possible to the folks who will use them most often (i.e. in my doctor’s office, or at the hospital.) Standardized EHR with remote access are great when you need them, but let the “remote access” part be as-needed and not the default case.
And get off my lawn.
>> My EHR provider may implement HL7, but which of the “optional” features are supported?
Ahh optionality. The joy of HL7.
There are so, so, so many problems with this article, many of which are addressed in the comments above. So, instead of rehashing what everyone else said, I’ll add something new.
What we need is some form of centralized medical record keeping that preserves patient privacy yet, at the same time, keeps us from shopping all over town for bogus Oxycontin prescriptions.
No. If you use medical records for preventing crime, you will taint the doctor-patient relationship. I want to trust my doctor, not worry that what I tell her will be used against me.
I can tell you that when you take your wife to the hospital twice within two weeks and they make you fill out the same papers about what meds you’re on and all that jazz my faith is extremely low that these fat cats in plush insurance land will do anything quickly without gov’t force. As Obama stated, they have record profits in a recession! We need to smack them down and take their profits back in the form of premium reductions.
I am also for patent reform on prescription drugs, do away with it and establish a national reimbursement system for R&D so that all drugs become generic and good drugs are reimbursed and bad drugs get no reimbursement. It’s not a matter of if but when we all need certain drugs. It’s not fair to screw one part of the population just because they are sick and their drugs are not generic. Think diseases like Cancer and Lupus, none of those drugs are generic and we blow billions on them every year and you never need them or think about them until you are sick and unprepared or uninsured to pay for them. I personally spent over $500 for two prescriptions (out of 10) this month for my sick wife. We are in the doughnut hole and I get to pay $5-700 every month for half a year every year. Ya what a great system we have, paying bills almost becomes a secondary cost to meds.
Also cap medical lawsuits all they do is jack up rates for the rest of us when some frivolous jerk wins a big payday. A REASONABLE amount of money should be made available but I’m tired of seeing 10’s of millions of dollars given as judgements for honest mistakes that can be corrected in good faith. If that doctor is a bad doc, remove them, pull their license permanently along with any prison time necessary. You’ll ensure that the bad docs never get in the system if they know the consequences.
It would be nice if that was true but it’s not. What I regularly see in the newspapers is a front page article about how someone has been disfigured, lost a limb or two or even died because of an incompetent doctor. Several days later, more digging reveals that this doctor has a multi-year history of gross incompetence and maimed patients. He’s been slapped on the wrist a few times, maybe made to take a course or two, but nothing meaningful has happened. Malpractice lawyers level the playing field between uncaring, all-powerful individuals & corporations and average Joes like you and me.
I served on a jury in a civil suit where the widows of two guys were suing a ladder company. The husbands got drunk and were trying to put up an antenna. They shoved the mast into a power line and that was all she wrote. In an hour and a half, the jury determined it was the guys own fault and nixed the suit. Of course this was in San Francisco, which is so conservative that the Giants play in a stadium built without any taxpayer funds . . .
As for medical malpractice lawsuits, any costs added because of such lawsuits is negligible. Many states imposed caps on recovery of non-economic damages years ago. These caps limit how much a successful plaintiff can recover. California, for example, limits these damages to $250,000. If you die, your heirs can only sue for a total of $250,000. Attorneys fees are capped too.
Has this resulted in lower medical costs in California? Nope.
You’re not going to see lower health costs by imposing nation wide limits on medical malpractice.
Tort reform is a red herring. It’s a political argument used by the GOP in an attempt to hurt fund raising by Democrats.
The IT architecture Bob describes here is the way to go.
In case you are so paranoid and don’t trust ANYBODY to keep your medical records you could store them on a USB memory stick and carry it with you on a key chain. On which it is probably equally safe as on an aging disk or tape system connected to a mainframe in some care provider where the only system manager is about to retire. Folks, we all know that the cloud is not ready for this, simply because there is barely a cloud. Once we have a serious use of cloud services (like health care) IT can build something that can be trusted, both from a reliability as well as a security standpoint.
Bob is just making waves for a good cause. Don’t argue over futile details which can be solved.
The problem I see is the complete mind shift that needs to take place within the health care providers, ranging from those who actually help you, all the way to the industries who have a vested (financial) interest in keeping “control” on our health. A mind shift to a situation where they no longer think they have to keep the medical records. What do you see as a mechanism to create a win-win condition?
There are a myriad of challenges mentioned already. I’ll add a few more:
1. Cooperation is not in the fiscal interest of most medical software vendors who routinely demand exorbitant fees for interfaces.
2. HIPAA is a feel good fraud perpetrated on the public. The HIPAA regulations do next to nothing to limit pharmaceutical and insurance company access to personal information.
3. The value of medical data exceeds any promises of privacy. Numerous employers and government agencies can and do gain access through relationships with insurers.
4. Health care documentation guidelines have been massively perverted by EHR software vendors to generate cookie cutter text assuring the doctor’s ass is covered but doing nothing to improve patient care.
5. State of the art communication between health care providers is the 150 year old, data degrading technology in a fax machine.
6. Many physicians using electronic medical records software spend more time taping keys or touching screens than paying attention to the patient. That’s hardly a health care advance and a recent study revealed a 30% drop in provider productivity as a result.
7. Cloud computing saves IT expense while guaranteeing records may NOT be available in an emergency caused by a power loss due to anything from a natural disaster to careless staff.
8. Doctors may be well paid. Office staffs are frequently unskilled, low wage workers guaranteeing garbage in is garbage out.
Put the record on the web for storage but lock them – no access to the records unless two physical keys are present. One is a “dog tag” that we carry (our bank already does this to control access to our bank account) while the other is a key that identifies the authorized person (doctor, insurance agent etc) who needs access – naturally all access is logged.
The dog tag is smart – it has a picture, and finger print embedded so that they can be verified at the time of access.
The individual data items stored would be access controlled so that the Insurance companies can see relevant records (surgeries, prescription history etc) but they don’t get to see if you’ve been tested for anything that reported a negative result and they have no access to DNA.
Just my 10c after a few minutes thought – it’s not perfect but it’s way better than what we have now.
Hi Bob
A thought-provoking article from you as always.
Thsi may be on your radar for your follow-up pieces but are you aware that such work is already underway within the UK and has been so for at least 6 years? The National Programme for IT is striving to do some of what you describe and is arguably the largest programme of its type in the world. The following are useful references for more information :-
https://www.connectingforhealth.nhs.uk/
(where the headline is ‘NHS Connecting for Health supports the NHS in providing better, safer care, by delivering computer systems and services that improve how patient information is stored and accessed.)
and
https://www.nhscarerecords.nhs.uk/what-is-the-nhs-crs
Look forward to your later columns
Paul
Before you can handle health records you first need to know WHO THE PERSON IS. IOW the government needs to set up some sort of identity management scheme. This may be the dreaded National ID card . . . But this is needed for all sorts of government accounting for all of its programs. If you can fake who you are, then you can gain access to someone else’s information.
I came up with a large proposal called The All-American Plan. Basically you contract with a vendor to set up regional data warehouses. Then you make the National identity software initiative – where you create an OPEN SOURCE warehousing software. The “many eyes” phenomenon would work best here! Would you scrutinize program code if your own identity was a stake? Hell yeah! The All-American part is that this software would be available to all Americans – in fact all businesses could use this same software for identity management.
I can’t think of a more optimal use of open source. (most) EVERYONE would participate – and you couldn’t complain if it was hacked – because it’s YOUR responsibility to secure the code.
Once this identity management system was set up all transactions would benefit from it.
If you are afraid of what the government could do with your data – then YOU design the system they will use.
The patient Id is called third rail of health care. “Without it the train won’t run, but if you touch it it’ll kill you.”
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That’s a great idea Bob! Obama should just invite experts from all the major tech companies and health providers over to the white house for an extended conference to set the standard.
On a side note, I think Walmart would be a better example of pure capitalism than Goldman Sachs. Imagine if Walmart were running the health care industry. They would put constant pressure on health providers to lower costs, while delivering affordable products to consumers. I do think they’d have to change their policy of putting a McDonalds in every store, though.
My fear is that this solution would resemble the credit reporting agencies: for profit companies who monitor *your* data. If there is a problem with *your* data, you have to sacrifice a goat at some time of day that is both unique to each agency and undiscoverable by you. In essence, I fear the *your* data would quickly become *their* data.
I am going to disagree with a few comments.
Regarding Goldman Sacks — It was a good analogy. They are an extremely well run, highly profitable, highly capitalist firm. They didn’t need the government bailout money, it was forced on them. The point of Bob’s comments is we are probably at a point where we can not depend on capitalism to fix this problem. This doesn’t mean socialized medicine is better, it means the USA medical system needs some improvements — improvements from society’s point of view. The analogy was right.
Regarding Government setting some software/api standards — The discussion on the electronic voting machines is a perfect example of WHY government needs to do it differently. With electronic voting a few computer kiosk firms came swooping in with a very expensive solution before the requirements were even understood. Right now several computing firms are in Washington DC lobbying big time for the government to favor their products and technology. We could again have legislation picking a grossly over priced, mismatched technology solution. And, the different systems probably won’t talk to each other. Change doctors, change hospitals, move to another city, and you may have a problem.
I would take the computer records one step further. I’d set up an expert panel to develop specifications and to evaluate existing solutions. If there is a solution, I’d write that firm a big check and buy a national license. Then the software would be FREE to everyone who will store records.
Google the news and see what is happening in Indiana with their welfare system. If is very easy for national computerized medical records to go out of control. This needs to be done right the first time, and it can not be a new cost burden on the health care industry or the government.
Keeping your personal health information absolutely private is easy, if you start day one with a good design. It starts by separating the medical data from your identity. You then implement a very secure process where by you are linked to your data. When done right, the data can be used to improve the quality of healthcare and your privacy will not be compromised.
Most ATM’s are pretty secure. There is a serious amount of data encryption between the ATM and the bank. Most banks have pretty secure systems. A few need help, but they are definitely the exception to the rule. There are a number of serious regulations that come with serious audit requirements. We host a few banks computer systems. Independent auditors show up without warning. They try to break into our building and try to get into the data center. When that fails they identify themselves and show us their credentials. We then take them into the data center and they try to hack into the banks systems. They check a lot of stuff. They are very thorough and problems are rarely found. This is very serious stuff and most banks take their responsibilities seriously. The easiest way to compromise the ATM system is to steal a tow truck, back it through the window of a convenience store, and use the tow truck to drag the ATM machine away. You may be able to force the money out of the machine, but that is about it.
Bob, check out the Children’s Health Fund (childrenshealthfund.org). They run clinics and hospitals across the country. They have implemented a nationwide health records systems aimed at specifically children’s health issues. It is a modification of an existing commerical offering. They have to track the kids they serve as they move around. Since they are non-profit, they make their development available to others at no charge. I believe New York City and Washington DC are going to implement versions their system. Email me and I will give you a contact directly involved in the system.
Decentralizing records will do wonders for health privacy, but it will probably make doing Mayo-esque statistical analyses on huge data sets much more difficult.
*I* might know where my records are stored, but a poor statistician at UCSF will have no clue, thus negating a large benefit of digitized records. Beyond that, private organizations don’t really have a good record keeping digitized records safe. For example, UC Berkeley just informed me that my Social Security number is now on the open market, thanks to a year long security breach at the UCB Tang Health Center. I graduated 5 years ago…
Even if I trust Pep-Boys to keep my records safe, if they “accidentally” sell them to a cartel of organ harvesters, a government fine isn’t really going to do me much good.
There are a number of well-made points and issues raised which are deserving of commentary
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1. Who “owns” a patient record? There are actually two different threads of opinion here – (a) a patient “owns” his/her record, and wants that record to be portable, exportable to various loci of care (like different doctor’s offices, hospitals, emergency departments, etc)… this is the impetus behind Personal Health Records (PHRs). (b) a physician “owns” the chart notes, which are the medico-legal documentation of advice given. These are subpoenable records in instances of litigation, and physicians have been very cautious and protective of these. Moving from physician-centered documentation (the traditional approach) to patient-centered documentation (the “new era”) involves a paradigm-shift for the entire health care industry. Interconnected EHRs (the physician side) and PHRs (the patient side) will be an “enabling technology” that will help move things along. My belief is that this change will happen eventually and inevitably, regardless of those trying to resist the tide.
2. What should the role of the government be? For the first time ever, we are seeing the development of a national health IT policy, coming from the Health IT Policy Committee that was set up to implement ARRA. This committee has identified general goals for care, and what a transformed health care delivery system should look like (without getting into a discussion of how that should be financed). From this come guidelines for what constitutes “meaningful use” of health IT. The main thrust is around achieving and demonstrating results (not around what “features” software should have), and establishing standards for health information exchange as well as privacy and security for such exchange. As someone working in this field (I am with Practice Fusion, an emerging free web-based next-generation EHR), I welcome the establishment of norms and standards – it breaks down the legacy of proprietary, closed and clumsy systems that have dominated the landscape in the past.
Thank you for your provocative and insightful commentary.
I think, I hope, that the centralized database idea is doomed, for just the reasons you point out.
What I hope would come out of this is a mandated file format (XML, JSON, YAML, “X.10^100”, don’t really care) to allow a patient to keep copies of his/her records, and take them to future GPs and specialists when needed.
If the government wanted to make some “reference implementations” of software, fine. But the key thing is just the ability to accurately share notes when the patient needs to.
Give the patient, and nobody else, the right to donate an anonymous version (or subset) of his/her data for research.
Bob, you may want to take a look at the Veteran Administration’s FAQs on their electronic medical record system (VistA):
https://www.innovations.va.gov/innovations/docs/InnovationsVistAFAQPublic.pdf
This system is already rolled out nationally – if it were extended to the private sector then it would address most of the issues that you’ve brought up.
Bob,
I’ve followed your writings for over a decade. I’m a surgeon, computer programmer, and self-proclaimed nerd. I am a bit miffed that this post didn’t hit my reader until today, thus putting my comments so far down as to be fruitless. Therefore, if you actually do see this post…. I can only say that you need to contact me if you actually are interested in truly understanding the issues that surround the health care IT debacle. This first post is a good scratch at the surface. This is a very complex problem with a history that dates back into the 1950’s. Fun stuff…. for a nerd.
JFS
Cute Bob. I BUILT IT. FIVE YEARS AGO. FOR BLUE CROSS/BLUE SHIELD OF CALIFORNIA. Sorry about the shouting; it still pisses me off.
We were going to use the Visa network, put all the key encryption on a smart Visa card, let you carry (or access for larger files) what you needed on the card, and use the card like a real Visa card to pay for co-payments, deductibles, and the like.
It would have been free. We cut a deal with a bank to handle the Visa part, and since the card would be used, and could be used for other spendings (or could be locked out of anything except a medical use) the interchange fees would pay for it. And the doctors loved it…no dunning for payment. Patients liked it…complete control of records, complete listing of all medical payments.
Blue Cross/Blue Shield tested it. Home run. And they backed out. Too far out of their comfort zone.
We got paid. Could have been worse.
Against stupidity the gods themselves labor in vain.
I’d like to know more about this, Martin: bob@cringely.com.
Maybe I’m over simplifying the problem, but I don’t see why the free market can’t take care of things on its own. The free market seems to be working fine for automobile insurance.
Consider the following. I have a family of 6 and pay about $100 per month for insurance on two vehicles. I’m sure the insurance company has run the numbers and knows the likelihood of one of those two vehicles causing an accident that totals my car and another vehicle. Throw in a little extra private property damage and an injury or two and you have easily reached a $100,000 plus incident. The insurance settles the claim and my rates maybe go up a little for a period of time.
Now, for me to buy health insurance for my family I’m easily looking at a minimum of $700 per month. Is the likelihood of any of my family members being hit with a $100,000 plus medical condition any greater than having the aforementioned totaled cars? Probably not. So why the huge discrepancy in premiums? The free market.
Currently there is no real free market in health insurance. By providing people with government Medicare and Medicaid we have increased the demand for health services. You can see a similar phenomena in the dramatic increases in college tuition as more and more “aid” is provided. Also, by the government mandating that treatment be provided for everyone that enters the emergency room, hospitals and doctors are left with little recourse than to raise prices for those who are able to pay in order to offset the costs of those who don’t. Now I know that greed and profiteering plays a big role in the problem as well, but it seems to me that some of this is enabled and maybe even encouraged by current policies and practices.
I had an minor fender bender a couple of years ago and State Farm seemed to have a some sort of IT system for collecting repair estimates and making payments to the body shop. (I seem to remember seeing digital photos of the damage taken by the body shop, within the some sort of database at my insurance agents office.) I would like to learn more about what dos and don’ts the automobile insurance industry has learned regarding IT solutions. There’s no since in reinventing the wheel if you don’t have to.
Recently we need a medical procedure. If you’re got insurance, cost isn’t an issue. But this was IVF. Not covered, so cost was an issue. We tried to shop around on price, but what’s amazing is every single clinic we went to couldn’t tell us the costs. Ask the doctor, and he’s say to ask the clinic. We ask the clinic and they give you their fees, but tell you the doctor will bill separately. (Did I mention the doctor is a part-owner in the clinic? :-/ Of course he knows. He just doesn’t want to tell you.) You just can’t compare. IVF is the exception because it’s uninsured, but it shows nicely the attitude of health providers – They don’t want you to know the price. They just set their costs at whatever they want and assume people don’t care because insurance will cover it. No wonder costs bloat out.
Now add vested interests. The Health Insurance companies, drug companies and doctors – we really should be suffering a glut of doctors and cheaper health care – a la IT – but it hasn’t worked out that way. These people all have money and Congressmen are cheap.
Bob, a good book I recommend you check out: “How Doctors Think”.
This fails to explain why insurance+care providers such as Kaiser are not massively profitable.
To the “Free Marketeers” out there, no this isn’t a free market, a few well placed organizations have isolated themselves from market pressures and they’re anxious that they remain in this profitable condition. You don’t want a completely free market, especially in health care, unless human life holds no value to you.
The more regulations we’ve gotten the worse things have become. Remember when a healthy young man could buy a major medical plan with a premium of $15/yr. (early 1970’s)? Since that time, we’ve tried massive government involvement in the health system (HMO act, insurance regulations, medicare, medicaid, etc.). Since that hasn’t worked so well, they’re proposing doing even more regulation. Logic fail. Stop doing what isn’t working – outcomes matter, not intentions.
How about this?: Allow competition. Allow an unregulated approach (I can buy insurance from GEICO if I want to and they can write me a policy the way they want to) and then a parallel socialist approach. Let people chose, like adults. See who wins.
So far, everybody I’ve talked to about this who advocates the socialist approach demands a complete shut down of the competitive approach – which tells me it’s not really about helping people get healthy.
Rob, there are two major problems with your approach that you don’t mention. Creating a common database, or database specification, is a very very hard problem and a number of European projects have attempted it and failed. The reason is that there is no clearcut definition available of what needs to be in a medical record. Competing electronic health care record (EHR) systems usually differentiate themselves by the way they structure the data and as a consequence, the way data can be retrieved and transformed. Locking down the data structures now, if it was even possible, would eliminate most competitive drive and improvement of the systems.
The second problem is that you expect systems to be able to extract useful information from EHR systems that weren’t obvious to the people that put that information into the systems in the first place. A lot of people fall into this logical trap. First of all: there’s practically no information in an EHR that wasn’t put there to support somebody’s hypothesis of a diagnosis. Objective data is practically totally absent. Secondly: you can’t use past clinical data to discover relationships and advance science. That way of working with clinical data is what we call “anecdotal evidence” and is rejected by practically everyone, since it’s really bad science. Data that advances the state of the art should only come from well-planned clinical studies, which is the basis of “evidence-based medicine”.
Then there’s the enormous difference in meaning between what the US health care industry means by an EHR and what the Europeans mean. Just a couple of months ago I got a Microsoft implementation demoed for me, and honestly, I thought they were kidding. It was a joke.
There’s a lot more to be said about all this, including what you could actually usefully do, but there’s no space for it here.
The technology isn’t all that hard. About a decade ago, I worked at a major medical institution which was a leader in electronic medical records. I worked in the department that built that system.
I came up with an idea to run EMR’s outside the system based on DNS and DNSSEC. Even had the silly little flow diagrams to explain it to folks. The basic idea was this: you have DHHS contract out to a TLD provider like DOC does for .COM (the scale is similar and the technology is proven). They maintain a record which points a patient ID (a hash of SSN in my spec) to a provider’s medical records store. Using certain keys you could request a medical record by having a patient provide consent (ideally through a patient-specific signature like a chip+PIN, but also another key for paper-based consent and a third for emergency treatment). I envisioned the HL7 XML representation would be used for payload at the time. Like you said, web technologies make this straightforward.
I wasn’t effective in selling it for reasons of age and wisdom, but there were two main objections that are important to consider: 1) “who else is doing that?” is the mantra in healthcare IT. The number of pioneers is astonishingly small. 2) easy sharing of medical records with “the competition” wasn’t seen as strategically wise. That same organization is now shopping for a COTS system and from what I hear has no more interest in doing EMR research work at all.
I think your idea of letting non-clinical entities store the data is a fantastic one. Their use of capital could spur the cost-savings necessary to make it happen.
Want to start a real revolution of healthcare? Apply the “fanatical customer service” mantra there. EMR access is one part of that equation.
The concept of a standard specification is a good one.
But, what if I do *not* want my records kept electronically — by anyone?
Should not that be *my* choice?
What if I refuse electronic records? Am I to be penalized as is what is contained within the current bill (hr 3200, sections 401 – 418)?
krp
Mayo Clinic is often cited as an example of putting EHR to good use. However, no one ever points out that their physicians get paid 150% more by health insurance companies, as the insurance companies want to be able to list the Mayo Clinic in their health care provider list to look good to its members. The Mayo Clinic may given excellent health care, but they are given better financial resources to do so than most physicians, especially primary care doctors, who are supposed to be the backbone of medical care. Primary care doctors mostly practice in small groups or are solo practitioners. For small practices, the cost of implementing and utilizing an EHR is probably not worth the stimulus money that the government is going to offer unless EHR is free. There are over 400 EHR companies out there that will end up costing practices on the average $45,000 per physician just for startup costs. Most EHR companies claim that the price is a lot less but don’t include hidden costs. Yet Practice Fusion is a free EHR that uses SaaS and is funded by user-directed ads. Practice Fusion does not advertise; however, frankly, I’m still surprised more bloggers haven’t picked up on the potential for a free EHR. I’ve been using Practice Fusion for 6 months now. The program even has some features that beat expensive EHRs, such as being able to create templates easily on the fly. If word ever gets out to more doctors, it is going to be a godsend.
Bob,
You want medical information decentralized at the National Rifle Association, the ACLU and umpteen other places? What ever happened to “need to know”? Is this article a satire on privacy, or have you actually lost it? Didn’t you JUST write about how a company carelessly lost your data and refused to do anything about it?
Your areas of “some strength” are IT and complex systems? How arrogant! I think all you do is run odd ball ideas up the flag pole and hope something sticks, so you can profit from it. The trouble is you have no ideas and no business sense. And by the conflicting messages from one day to the next, precious little common sense.
I can see it now. The Audubon society is going to open a data center, and a bunch of 90-year old bird watchers are going to start a sideline in medical record storage.
Perhaps this problem could be solved with encryption. The organizations storing the data would neither own it nor have access to it. Only certain people with the proper credentials would be able to see the data, another group would be able to add but not delete data, and a third would have complete control.
Absolutely! The gov built the roads to allow commerce and travel to flourish and could do the same with health care using the web. Build the roads – with standards and infrastructure but allow and encourage capitalist innovation on the edges.
And let a million expert systems flourish.
As an added benefit, and perhaps even more importantly, it would take ‘health insurance driven by spread sheets’ out of the equation because it is just greedy selfish capitalism based on speculation – not value – which I think is the main reason our current system is broke.
If the government is going to be the gatekeeper to health care services (and paying for them), they are going to want all the data for themselves for data mining and running logistics experiments.
What I find most disturbing about almost all discussion about health care reform is that everybody is talking about the healthcare SYSTEM, and nobody is talking about HEALTH. I know Bob specifically wanted to focus on IT here but like he says it is a complex problem. This is like treating the symptoms but not the cause of the sickness. Like borrowing from credit cards to pay regular bills. There is a lot of correlation between this issue and the problems highlighted by the 2006 documentary Maxed Out about the credit crises.
We have a banking system that profits from people that make bad decisions and stay in debt. We have a healthcare industry that profits from people staying sick. Cutting school nutritional programs, sports, and P.E. while keep conditioning kids to gorge on junk food in front of TV ensures there’ll always be more revenue source. How much can even a capitalist society tolerate? Spending 10% of your paycheck on health insurance? 20%? 30%? 50%? Knowing always in the back of your mind your family is just one major injury or illness away from complete financial ruin? Or that while private companies like your insurance can always declare bankruptcy and pass on their dues to the society or drop you like a bag of trash, YOU can never declare personal bankruptcy to avoid your medical bills, a lot of it on credit cards?
One thing I can guarantee you – as long as the bottomline is about the dollar, and not about helping citizens staying healthy so we need LESS healthcare – it wouldn’t matter what or how many *expert systems* you guys come up with.
Spot on!
In light of this, we essentially need to assume full responsibility for our own health, and not rely on the system. If we can make use of it when needed, great, but the system now runs for its own benefit.
I am glad that I am not the only person to note the strange juxtaposition of the “Orbitz” article right next to this one.
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Two points that you might want to ponder.
Perhaps the health care records could follow the same model as that of credit records. There are privately owned credit reporting agencies – not government run, but somewhat regulated. By law, you have access to your credit reports. You can also restrict access to them, or at least know who is looking at them. And those companies are liable for any “lost” records or failure to protect privacy. It seems to work, if not perfectly, then well enough to do business. Similar problems, similar solutions?
Second point: you should be getting your record of health care from your insurance company, not your doctor. Your insurer keeps vast and detailed records of every little transaction. Sure your doctor may have lots of good stuff, but the insurance company can tell you exactly what information each health care provider has. What happened to that x-ray of your arm? The insurance company knows who took it, what specialist examined it and when you had the appointment for your doctor to explain the result to you. Of course, it’ll take an actual act of congress to pry that information out of their hands.
Looking forward to more columns on this subject.
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Health care costs have exploded as government has taken over healthcare. I don’t think the perscription for fixing the problem is more of the disease.
This was obvious to economists decades ago, and since the government has intruded even further.
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You say that the Mayo Clinic considers its patient records as an asset to mine for information on how best to treat patients as a way to further their world class reputation. But then you propose that a patients medical record be owned by them and access to that information should be limited/controlled by the patient.
Do you think that health care organizations like mayo will willingly relinquish patient record information entered by their nurses, doctors and lab techs? Not likely.
How does the emergency room get access to your medical information if you are unconscious? Will everyone need to wear a medical id badge everywhere they go?
You know that electronic information is easy/cheap to copy so if you let one organization have access to your records one time they will keep a copy on file for all time in order to “serve you better”. Government regulation to create a system like you propose would cost more than HIPAA but your privacy would likely be compromised anyway. Last week you complained that orbitz’s poor data management might compromise your frequent flier numbers, but you think that medical records can be safely and securely shuffled around the internet?
How much privacy do other nations such as Canada happen?
The Web is not the right place for health records, at least, the type you’re suggesting. Firstly, can you be sure the information will still be available in ten years time? Twenty? A hundred? Your recent article about Orbitz highlights the main problem – in the effort to cut costs, data loss will undoubtedly happen. You also need to protect against phishing and malicious attacks. Don’t forget that your average user doesn’t understand the technology of the Web and that these are problems that banks have not solved – they can shout about phising scams as loud as they can but people still fall for them. Malicious attacks could also come from pharmaceutical companies looking to promote their products by falsifying theie effectiveness. Your health record needs to be available at all times – you never know when you’re going to be in A&E! The Web suffers from intermittent connections, ISPs suffer power failures and cut cables!
Also, what do people do if they can’t afford to pay a health care record provider? Would the government provide a free version with the downside being that, hey, it’s the government and they, at least here in the UK, are really good at losing your data!
Perhaps the best, most secure place for this information is on a RFID that’s implanted in your body somewhere. (That’s a joke.)
I see two main problems. Firstly, technology is a long way off being capable of addressing all the issues (and there are lots of them – security, reliability, interoperability, etc). Secondly, there just isn’t enough quality programmers around to build these system (but that’s just a general problem).
Nice strawman. Because, of course, Goldman Sachs stands in for the whole idea of free markets. Evil, greedy, and maybe even vaguely Jewish.
Except when all those government run systems from other countries fail, our current health care system is the go-to place.
Heaven help us when the same people that bring us public schools, the post office, the IRS, and the VA, take over health care.
As for the medical records idea, all I see is that my current medical costs would stay the same, but you’ve now added a monthly medical record storage cost.
I do like the idea that doctors would be forced to turn over copies of all records as they create them. Some do now. I was given a copy of my last MRI without even needing to ask.
One thing I would like government to agree on is to require that hospitals and doctors give you a complete and final bill right when you check out. Currently, if you go in even for some kind of minor surgery, you’re still getting inexplicable new charges a year later. There oughta be a law.
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I have taught computer operating systems and database technology around the world and have developed some expertise. I am in the process of designing the ideal medical records system and here are some features I think it should have:
1. All medical records should be on one database universally available through internet. My medical practitioner, not matter where I am, should have the best medical information possible — with my permission.
2. The database should be under government control.
3. All records should have the same format.
4. The medical record should begin sometime after conception.
5. It should employ the latest technology in encryption and control access.
6. All medical input should be recorded: shots, vaccinations, doctors reports, prescriptions, tests, everything necessary to provide good medical information for future medical practitioners to make the best assessment of treatment that they can.
7. Technology should make it possible to input information directly into the database. Doctors should be able to easily voice input directly into the records; testing equipment should be able to send results directly to the medical database.
8. The database should be accessible in almost every language; if I am in China or Japan, I want the medical practitioner to see the information, is possible, in his/her language.
9. Each medical consumer should have complete access to his/her records and be able to make comments and, perhaps, some edits to the record.
10. There should be enormous cost savings with this system and, unfortunately, some obsolescence in the field of medical records.
11. Having had 9 hospilizations in the last 7 years, I have noticed that doctors and medical staff spend a lot of time at computers and with record keeping. There is also terrible redundancy of record collection. Why should any medical practitioner anywhere have to ask me for a list of my medications? These have all been prescribed somewhere and filled somewhere.
I would appreciate any features and suggestions for improvements as well as caveats (although I am somewhat prejudiced in believing that carefully implemented technology can be bullet proof.)
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Great article covering the fact that there are other things wrong with the health care service in America. With creating a better computerised health care record and the health care reform could make the health care that everybody wants to have and have the ground work for a reliable service for generations to come. But with creating a computerised service will be the time to input all the millions and millions of records out there which will take some time but when completed will aid in so many ways to benefit the system.
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Let me preface this with some FACTS
A Medical Record is not complete until allied health professionals
COMPLETE that record. Most of the day in the hospital is spent by records dept. sending queries to doctors to “fill in the blanks”, where necessary information is not complete.
Just like patients that don’t fill out forms completely, or accurately, health records need to have QUALITY: accurate, accessible, comprehensive, consistent, current, defined, granular, precise, relevant, and timely.
In addition, special codes (ICD-9-CM, ICD-10-CM/CPT after 10/13) for diagnosing, procedures, and circumstances surrounding injury or disease.
Understand this: Medical Records are NOT BLACK AND WHITE.
A medical record is not typed or scanned notes from a doctor, it is not a picture of an X-Ray, it is NOT DATA. It is INFORMATION.
You can HAVE THE DATA – IT IS USELESS.
A medical record is complete when the data is turned into INFORMATION.
God help us if you think our nation is capable of this;
you imply every citizen is capable of the responsibilities of a doctor.
And PEP BOYS responsible for our medical records? LMAO, they don’t know how to find a CAR TIRE.
We are already in a health care crisis.
Embracing EHR (electronic health records) in order to lower costs
through increased efficiency and decreased space is already so expensive
that Obama’s HITECH law is the only way most organizations can afford to switch, through INCENTIVES from the GOVERNMENT.
. . . And you think this nation will VOLUNTARILY give their own money to centralize personal medical records, when nobody can even agree on national insurance, no, we cannot even agree on health reform and we all agree the system is not working and needs to be reformed!
Lastly,
“You give your doctor access to records of a certain kind for a certain period of time and that’s it. The system ought to work well for everyone.”
NO, IT WON’T.
You obviously have never worked with people. This agreement would unquestionably result in complete medical disaster. 1. YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR. Giving the doctor ” ” records you feel are relevant ” ” , if only for a ” specified period of time ” ? LMAO. GOOD LUCK– DYING. 2. People lie about everything. EVERYTHING.
2. and 1. are related. People lie about everything, they lie to lawyers, to juries and judges, they lie to doctors and allied health professionals.
People are evil, some just greedy, and many on here paranoid about privacy.
GET OVER YOURSELVES. There is a REASON for higher powers of authority.
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I like your ideas about the individual controlling where their health records are housed and who has access to them. But I am afraid that it would not be long until the government stepped in and screwed things up.
Security of the records would be a major problem too as soon as the records start to be spread around to multiple databases.
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Security of the records would be a major problem too as soon as the records start to be spread around to multiple databases.