My last column generated a lively debate on the prospects for various business and technical options for the delivery of Internet TV so it makes sense to continue this topic and build it into a more full-featured model. I used to write quite a bit about this back when I was trying to get NerdTV going. The core of what I’ll write here can be found in a couple dozen columns from back then — columns that would seem to have been for the most part forgotten given the direction last week’s discussion took. You see the future of television IS Internet television. There is no other in sight.
No business or technology exists in a vacuum. They all have customers, users, competitors, and make use of resources in an environment that is not one of total abundance. This means that if there is going to be something like television in the future it is going to adapt to the distribution model that offers the highest price/performance, which is to say the highest performance for the lowest cost. That is not how one would traditionally describe the Internet, but then times are changing.
Whatever country you live in there are generally four models for live entertainment video distribution — broadcast, cable, satellite, and Internet.
Broadcast is a limited local resource and therefore more highly regulated than the others but it has traditionally featured the lowest cost per marginal user. That means it costs a lot to build and maintain a TV station but additional viewers within the service area can be added pretty much for free.
Cable offers more channel capacity than does broadcast but requires building a distribution network that’s fairly expensive. While one could imagine a cable TV “station,” the way the industry has grown is through cable operators becoming content aggregators offering many services over their expensive networks. That’s the most efficient way for cable companies to serve the broadest audience and the only way that enables them to sell extra-cost services like pay-per-view, premium movie channels or, indeed, Internet service. Remember, though, that cable operators pay for nearly all of the content they carry, which is different from broadcast, where a lot of content is free to the broadcaster and some content even comes with money attached.
Satellite operators pay for their content, too. Satellite initially used wireless technology to offer cable content in rural areas where it was too expensive to build a wired network. Having gained economies of scale in the rural markets cable couldn’t compete for, satellite has come to town competing generally on price. But satellite offers no practical Internet service. I know there are some and I tried one years ago (Starband) but they don’t work well.
Internet TV is different from all these others. It began as a parasite on telephone and cable networks so the cost of building the network generally wasn’t there, having already been covered for the most part by those earlier services. Internet TV is less of a network than a conduit; at present the Internet Service Providers don’t pay for video content but then neither do they get paid for it. Yet this common carrier attribute also makes Internet service often more profitable for telcos and cable companies than the core services those companies were established to provide. Whatever you pay for Internet service, it is mainly profit for your ISP.
The important lesson to learn when it comes to these competitive services is that the first three — broadcast, cable, and satellite — are all going up in cost to their providers while the cost of providing Internet service is going down. In the USA, broadcast viewership is dropping, which means the cost per viewer is rising. Same for cable where viewers are stagnant, viewership is declining (number of hours of viewing) and the cost of content is rising. Satellite has been growing marginally but that could end at any moment and it shares the same content cost increases as cable. Meanwhile Internet service just gets faster and cheaper thanks to a Moore’s Law double whammy.
Remember Moore’s Law works in two ways. It makes digital products ever cheaper AND ever more powerful. This has profound meaning for Internet TV because it continually increases the bandwidth we can get for the same dollar while giving our devices the capability to do even more with the same bandwidth.
Here’s an example. My primary Internet connection is an 8 megabit-per-second business cable line with a service level agreement and static IP addresses. I pay more than you do but then I get more, too, though even my service is crap compared to what you can get in Japan, Korea, and much of Europe. My primary computer WAS a Mac Pro G5/1.6 circa 2004. I should have replaced the G5 a couple years ago, I know, but my kids are in private schools and I keep buying airplane parts. I finally replaced the G5 last week, though, with a dual-core Mac Mini 2.0. Both the old and new computers had four gigs of RAM. Though my Internet connection can easily carry one or more 1080p H.264 video streams, there is no way that old G5 (which cost me $1999 in 2004 dollars) could play it. It didn’t do much better with 720p for that matter. But the $750 Mini (small drive but lots of RAM) can easily decode 1080p.
This is the trend, then: our available bandwidth will go up while our devices will become more powerful, making better use of the bandwidth. The result, as always with Moore’s Law, is either better services or lower total cost or maybe a little of both.
What this means for the future of television is that we’re approaching a point where Internet service will equal and then be lower than the marginal per-viewer cost of the broadcast TV model. This crossover will inevitably happen with the only question being when. That’s a function of bandwidth costs decreasing at 50 percent per year and processing power increasing at 50 percent per year. My calculations suggest the crossover will happen around 2015, which used to seem like a long time away but no longer does.
When Internet TV becomes dramatically, unequivocally, and inexorably cheaper than the other three distribution models, those other models will quickly go away. That’s why I argued in PBS meetings to forget about spending $1.8 billion to upgrade local stations for digital TV and instead sell or lease that spectrum for commercial data use and throw the resulting $3 billion (lease revenue plus the $1.8 billion savings) into rebuilding the network solely as an Internet service.
Nobody listened.
So there is a cliff rapidly approaching for television. Five years from now local TV stations will have the same complaints that local newspapers have today as many of them go out of business. Cable TV operators will become ISPs, period. Phone companies will be ISPs, too, and analog voice service will be gone completely. The regulatory implications of these changes should be interesting.
Who, then, will be the players in this future TV? For the most part they will be the content providers, which probably doesn’t mean traditional networks. And the networks know this, by the way. Hulu.com isn’t called NBCFoxABC.com and TV.com isn’t called cbs.com for a reason. Networks will go away.
But content will endure, bringing new value to I Love Lucy episodes and almost anything else people like to watch.
The TV networks are throwing their lot together. CBS chairman Sumner Redstone will come to his senses one day and merge tv.com into Hulu, I am sure. Their big competitors will be Google, Apple, and a player yet to be even founded (definitely NOT Yahoo OR Microsoft).
Google will differentiate itself as always through technology. Those shipping container data centers I first wrote about in 2005 exist not just because they are easy to stack inside big Google plants. Why botehr with weatherproof containers if they are to be used exclusive indoors? Because they are even easier to put in the parking lot at the telephone company central office or at the cable company head-end, both of which will by then be strictly ISPs. Google will proxy content at every major ISP in America. And they’ll do this because Google has no idea what people want to watch on TV, nor do they particularly care.
Apple, on the other hand, cares. Following the content development scheme I laid out last time Apple will attempt to become the dominant content provider to the 20 percent of the market that spends 80 percent of the money, with margins high enough to use Google distribution and still come out ahead, leaving to Page and Brin the 80 percent of content that generates 20 percent of revenue.
But wait, isn’t Apple just a maker of hardware? Don’t they do iTunes just to sell iPods?
No.
Apple is a software company that has traditionally packaged its software in attractive hardware boxes. The fact that any new Mac is essentially a Windows computer proves that. But price points have been eroding in every hardware category and will continue to do so. Microsoft right now makes more profit from every Windows PC than does the maker of that PC. Apple is not immune to this trend. So the company needs to find ways to sell more and more software.
Content is software. TV is software. And the great thing about entertainment is that it is software we can be induced under some circumstances to buy over and over again like those teenage girls who paid to see Titanic dozens of times.
What does that leave, then, for that player to be named later? I’ll get to that next time.
“I argued in PBS meetings to forget about spending $1.8 billion to upgrade local stations for digital TV and instead sell or lease that spectrum for commercial data use and throw the resulting $3 billion (lease revenue plus the $1.8 billion savings) into rebuilding the network solely as an Internet service.”
A year ago (or whenever you suggested that), that would have been considered radical.
7-10 years from now, a network (if I had to guess, I’d put my money on Al Gore, but then he’s mostly already done that) will do this and make waves.
12 years from now, the big discussion will be who hasn’t done this.
And 15-20 years from now, PBS will ask for government money to do this.
Sigh.
-Erica
Well I made the argument in 2006. Where I can’t agree with you, however, is even imagining PBS will be around 25 years from now… or even 10.
Bob,
I’m hesitant to say this but I hope that you’re right regarding PBS. I too worked for them for a number of years (only behind the camera and in the control room). They have absolutely no business sense EXCEPT when it pertains to executive compensation packages.
Most of the local stations I was involved with sold their air time (through thinly veiled documentaries and other “shows”) and had no interest in serving their local audience interests – something I thought the initial charter was all about.
Anyhow, the times they are a changin’ and you are spot-on with your comments and predictions.
Stan
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“My primary computer WAS a Mac Pro G5/1.6 circa 2004”, eren’t they called Power Macs?
You are right, Javier. I am not worthy.
You’re absolutely spot on about internet TV being the future. I think any players who are getting involved now, like the BBC could be rewarded in the long run. PBS should have listened in those meetings.
Ultimately as long as the content producers have a way of getting the content to us, who cares about the network. Journalism will survive through the web long after the newspapers have closed, the same goes for TV shows too.
The BBC has the luxury of that license fee — a fee I can’t imagine will last forever — but I generally agree with you.
The BBC license fee is standard in every European country. And it is here to stay (due to regulations directly from Bruxelles). I don`t know about distribution technology though, but the EU pretty much ensures there is a stately subsidized content provider.
Can we expect Nerd TV season 2 any time soon???
Season 2 is long finished but can’t be released until we find a way for everyone to get paid. There is a lot of money on the line and just throwing the content up on YouTube regains little or none of the average $3000 per hour it cost to do those later, HD, shows. But we’re getting close to a solution, so stay tuned!
Actually they probably aren’t doing enough of it, but PBS affiliates are in many areas the only ones doing anything with datacasting.
I do think PBS should be taking advantage of their digital capacity – it can be a real money maker as you suggest. Why not have a “Shop PBS” subchannel that shows nothing but “pledge special” type programming all year round? With an 800 number & website always on screen so viewers can order whatever’s being featured. This would technically be “non commercial” but surely generate extra revenue – maybe enough so that the primary digital channel(s) can show less pledge-special stuff.
And, why not even lease a subchannel or two to just show infomercials? Yeah, it’s crass and commercial, but it makes money. Combine at least one subchannel showing infomercials, with the revenue from the Shop PBS subchannel (in fact, perhaps this could be combined into one channel that shows the Shop PBS pledge stuff during prime time and traditional infomercials the rest of the time?) And then add to that the revenue to be gained by doing more datacasting, and I bet you could raise enough money to get rid of at least one pledge drive each year, possibly enough to cut back to one short pledge drive annually. That would probably help draw viewers in. Alternatively keep pledge at current levels but invest the new revenue in more and better programming.
Maybe you could cut a deal to put NerdTV Season 2 exclusively on Hulu?
A few months ago, I dropped my cable TV as being too damn expensive. Our monthly cable bill (which included phone, cable, and Internet) was about $160 per month. We replaced our phone got T-Mobile@Home (saving $20/month), dropped the cable (saving $60/month), but ended up paying an extra $10/month for Internet only service.
We bought a cheap Dell, a tuner card, and a 36″ monitor to act as our TV. The idea was to center everything around Boxee. In the end, the tuner card didn’t work and the roof antenna wasn’t pulling in much of a signal. Boxee was a disappointment, and we simply found it easier surfing Hulu and TV.com for what we want. We ended up putting Ubuntu 9.04 on the Dell because we got sick of trying to keep the thing virus free. Plus, Ubuntu runs faster.
If I had to do it over again, I’d get a Mac Mini (about $100 more than the Dell), forget the TV tuner card ($60 savings) the antenna ($110 savings), and simply use it as a computer and forget TV entirely. We can watch almost anything we want on Hulu and TV.com. Plus, we found plenty of foreign programs also being streamed. We also finally got a chance to watch CurrentTV which was always a premium channel on cable.
What we can’t get on the Internet, we buy via iTunes (This American Life and The Flight of the Concords). If we had a Mac, we’d have iTunes, and I could watch them on that nice 36″ monitor. Instead, I end up watching them on my iPod Touch. We also don’t have the option of getting Netflix since Netflix doesn’t stream over Linux.
However, I’m sure this is the future of TV. We are on the bleeding edge, but have gotten use to it.
“We also don’t have the option of getting Netflix since Netflix doesn’t stream over Linux.”
I find this odd as Netflix does stream over Tivo, and Tivo is Linux. But I’ve been waiting for them to stream over Linux as well.
Roku is also Linux and has a deal with Netflix. Linux itself is not the problem, the problem is whatever oddball codecs they are using that can probably only come from them (or MS, or some other proprietary source).
I haven’t had TV reception (over the air) since I moved here in 2002. I canceled cable about that time and have no way to receive mainstream media content. You don’t realize how awful it is until you stop watching it for a while.
There ARE a few shows (mostly really old stuff like I Love Lucy in fact) that I still like to watch from time to time and strictly when I feel like it, not on anyone else’s schedule.
I’m quite happy to see many of these old media companies crash and burn. I do not hold high hopes that what replaces them will be free (in either sense). Our current government is in fact looking for all opportunities at hand to gain more control over things. These people are control freaks of the highest order who have never run so much as a lemonade stand (but they envied those who did).
Enjoy your freedoms while they last.
Netflix uses Silverlight for streaming. Much as I hate to pimp MS software, it works pretty well. There’s a freeware product called Moonlight that’s supposed to let you stream Silverlight media on Linux. I have not tried it.
So Bob, with all these “carriers” looking for content to deliver, can you please tell me why you think it’s smart to take PBS out of the content creation game? That’s exactly what you recommended when you said they should not upgrade their studios for digital content creation.
Did you overlook that small item? … The Law of Unintended Consequences? Or are you assuming that digital content is never going to take off?
It seems to me that the powers that be at PBS were smart to ignore you, for a couple of reasons:
1. Their primary purpose is content creation …
2. … the creation of content that commercial enterprises will never consider.
In the digital universe you are describing, content is king. Carrying it is a commodity. Carriers will be — are already — a dime a dozen, as you’ve pointed out. They’ll all be scrapping to find enough content to fill the pipes. Are already.
Hauling bits is a fight to see who can do it the cheapest. The carrier industry is already in a death spiral to see who can get to a zero percent margin the fastest. It’s a mugs game.
Why do you think Google has stayed clear of it? They’re content providers. Smart ones. Happy to sit back and watch the carriers cut their own throats trying to acquire enough content to attract paying subscribers.
So tell me again why PBS should not prepare themselves to create digital content?
Maybe you work at PBS or at a PBS member station. But if you do you know that isn’t the way it works. PBS does little to no content creation, nor has it ever. Member stations make content and PBS BUYS content. PBS owns almost none of the Intellectual Property it presents. If you want to license Arthur, for example, you don’t do that from PBS.
Also the power structure at PBS is the opposite of commercial networks. Commercial networks PAY their affiliates to run shows. PBS member stations PAY PBS for programming. Power lies with he who pays so commercial networks can dictate somewhat to their affiliates while member stations (especially the biggest ones like WGBH, which employs more people than does all of PBS) dictate to PBS. Whenever a PBS president is forced out, and they are pretty much ALL forced out, it is because they did or said something that dipleased the big member stations.
Point of order – the network affiliate compensation model has rapidly eroded. Already, networks are trying to extract premiums from stations in order to buy better programming.
“But wait, isn’t Apple just a maker of hardware? Don’t they do iTunes just to sell iPods?
No.
Apple is a software company that has traditionally packaged its software in hardware boxes.”
Every other time that you have raised this issue, you have called Apple a hardware company and not a software company. Inconvenient, huh?
Not me. You are remembering incorrectly. I am sure I have said that Apple makes hardware, which is obvious, but do some Google searches and you’ll find me saying over and over again that Apple is a software company that embodies its software IN hardware, which is a lot harder to steal, by the way. Good try, though.
Seems to me that Apple is neither a software company nor a hardware company. What they are is both.
Microsoft’s big score was to enable the commoditization of the computer business. They could do this because IBM invested so little in the design of the PC that it was easily cloneable.
What Apple has done is demonstrate that genuine innovation requires a vertical business model in which control of the entire chain is key. They have been exploiting the fact that Microsoft is pinned down in many areas by a need to not alienate key partners.
>> Microsoft’s big score was to enable the commoditization of the computer business. They could do this because IBM invested so little in the design of the PC that it was easily cloneable.
Not quite. Microsoft won for three reasons: 1) IBM was stupid enough to allow M$ to retain the rights to DOS, 2) IBM *allowed* the BIOS to be cloned, Phoenix was first to do so, and 3) Lotus could only write 1-2-3 in one Assembler and chose DOS (three O/S’s were available at introduction. Extra points for naming them). Apple will not allow the BIOS to be cloned, thus no clones. Apple started as a machine company, and decided to protect that part of the business. M$ wasn’t and explicitly wanted as many clients as possible. They were willing, and eager, to clone DOS in incompatible ways. They also wrote lots of software for Apple, in the beginning.
It is true that IBM chose not to design its own CPU. It is also true that they chose the 8088 from Intel because Intel was a struggling company (assumed to be easier to manipulate), as opposed to Motorola which had a superior chip available, the 6800. It is true that IBM underestimated the number of PCs that would be sold. It is true that IBM’s vision of the machine was a personal *computer* to which users would right programs for personal needs, where Apple’s view was of a toaster. 1-2-3 proved Apple was right.
I have to listen to Bob’s sexy sexy voice twice?
That would have been sexy, sexy, sexy, sexy, but to spare you that agony I fixed it.
Could you spare us the agony of “Why botehr” also? The ghost of my English teacher is screaming in my ear…. Must be some crud in your spell checker. (Oddly, the spell checker in the Reply mechanism does catch it!)
This argument relies on some assumptions:
– that sufficient bandwidth will be distributed en masse (false)
– that TCP/IP is an efficient way to distribute TV (false, and even so argued by you previously)
– Moore’s Law applies to bandwidth provision (false)
There will ensue a Balkanization of home entertainment. (As I write this, Charlie Gibson is reading the report that consumer spending is falling, still.) The auto industry pundits are making the same mistake: extrapolating the historical mean sales for years before 2007 to argue that such sales MUST return, and soon. They won’t unless income distribution returns to what it was prior to Bush I. As with all questions about economics, it’s the Distribution Stupid.
Millions of Americans have been living off burned home equity (which no longer exists) and credit cards rather than earned income. Remember 1% now take 22% of income. There is no meaningful middle class, and without one, actions like replacing what they have now for something else will not occur (just as they are not replacing aging autos). The middle class, 90210 is what TV deludes us into believing the phrase means, is really not so much of us any longer; never was.
Any attempt to shift the platform of TV requires expenditures. The Internet was, may be still is but I think not, built and run by the NSF backbone for years. Much of the cost was socialized, thus making it appear cheap. Here in sunny Connecticut, AT&T has puny DSL; they call it Broadband, but that’s a joke.
Remember, it’s just TV.
There’s too much here to argue about but I’ll make two points: 1) for exactly the reasons I stated there will be ADEQUATE bandwidth for these services otherwise they wouldn’t exist, and; 2) I wrote nothing at all abut TCP/IP. Flash, QuickTime, and Windows Media — the dominant video distribution technologies today — ALL use versions of UDP, not TCP/IP. Your argument is a decade late.
>> 10) The year the net crashed (in the USA). Video overwhelms the net and we all learn that the broadband ISPs have been selling us something they can’t really deliver.
That’s your Cringely, 5 Jan. 2007? I recall the phrasing about TV over the ‘net, but that I can’t find. Amounts to the same thing, though.
>> We agree on many things, NuMetra and I. We agree that Internet video traffic is growing at such a rate that it is going to lead to severe network congestion problems almost immediately — problems that will hurt the transition to television over the Internet if not promptly addressed.
That’s 2 Feb. 2007.
Today’s post doesn’t explain what technology in the past 2 years will fix the problem. Unless technology develops which can provide required bandwidth over twisted pair copper, the only universal pipe, the great unwashed masses won’t have TV. Advertisers probably won’t care, since the great unwashed won’t have any money to spend. But it means that closer to 22% rather 99% of the population will be served. That is a much bigger problem.
Putting words in Bob’s mouth, his argument is/was that the Internet, as it stands isn’t ready for everyone to start using it as their primary video source as your (mis)quotes point out. But also that in order for the net to survive media will need to be cached locally at ISP level, because while the backbone can’t handle that kind of traffic and is way too expensive to upgrade constantly, ISP’s have bandwidth to spare and the technology is cheap (relatively.) He did mention this in the above article, although only in passing when he mentioned the Google shipping container data centers.
I think that he’s spot on there.
I agree that the long term future of TV is internet based. That’s just a logical upgrade of the distribution technology.
What concerns me as a viewer, however, is that content providers are useing this technology to remove our ability to archive TV programming. TV recording was confirmed as a legitimate ‘Fair Use’ practice by the US Supreme Court, but that won’t matter if there are no internet TV recorders available.
I for one have no intention to return to the pre VCR days of the early 1907’s when we only got to watch what the content providers allowed, when they allowed it.
Here in Canada, my ISP, Cogeco, just sent subscribers a letter saying that they were going to make our cable experience better. They would do this by capping our data transfer limit at 60 GB. Then they would charge us for overage.
This would hinder television over my cable.
But then again, here in Canada, we do not have Hulu, Boxee or the greater movie and television choices in the US iTunes store, so the data transfer limit may not be a problem.
Less is more,
slower is better,
ignorance is bliss.
Welcome to 1984.
Fire them. shop around and see if Shaw Cable is in your area. they are not capping my internet…
And there’s the problem. Moore’s Law or not, ISPs have no incentive to increase bandwidth when they have a monopoly, or duopoly. Until this changes, we’re screwed. And AT&T & friends are spending a lot of lobbying money to make sure that never changes.
“So there is a cliff rapidly approaching for television. Five years from now local TV stations will have the same complaints that local newspapers have today as many of them go out of business. Cable TV operators will become ISPs, period. Phone companies will be ISPs, too, and analog voice service will be gone completely. The regulatory implications of these changes should be interesting.”
Except that Cable and phone companies that act as ISPs are going to resist this all the way. Until the FCC imposes common carrier rules for internet service, we’re going to be forced to subscribe to TV packages and have usage caps. Even as their business model is being cut out from under them, they will fight tooth and nail to maximize their profits from the old model.
I am currently paying my cable company about the same amount for internet and cable TV. When content shifts from cable to internet, my cable company is going to experience a 50% drop in revenue. They will do whatever they can to prevent that.
I don’t see any legitimate way they can double their internet rates by then so, bandwidth caps, P2P filters, latency modulators, etc. will probably all be used in order to prevent VOIP and video content from being delivered without upgrading to the “Premium Tier” broadband service. Which, coincidentally, will total to about double what a simple internet connection will be. Or maybe triple if they think they are missing out on too much VOIP revenue.
Bob,
In light of what you write, I’m very happy that you continue as an independent content producer. I’m sure with the future of content distribution being transformed right now, you’ll be able to find a profitable conduits for your editorials (blogs like this…is syndication even necessary? Link aggregators like Digg and HuffPost seem sufficient), radio broadcasts (I, Cringely podcast…will you ever sexy sexy read your mortgage blog?), video poductions (moon mission documentation, NerdTV, etc), and books (I’m sure that many competitors to Kindle are coming, like the large screen iPod Touch with eBook app-support, or farther off the Android’ish tablets with similar support). Speaking of digital distribution of book/magazine content, I’d love to hear your take on Amazon’s stab at controlling the future of such distribution the way Apple does now with it’s iPods.
Perhaps you could teach individual journalists to promote themselves as well as you appear to be doing, or you could become some sort of digital journalist consultant/agent…but maybe you could wait on that career until I can get my hands on one of the Foil drives with super capacity and low energy use 🙂
Josh
Television in broadcast and cable form exists for one reason only, to sell advertising time.
The entertainment provided is a lure to get selected demographics to view the commercials. Exception MIGHT be PBS if you don’t figure in pledge month. As long as there are demographic groups that don’t use the internet and that advertisers want to sell stuff to there will still be broadcast and cable television.
You said that cable and satellite companies pay for content. That is mostly true, but in recent years, the new networks have been paying (I think it started with Fox News, but I can’t say for sure). Any new network startup, especially if they want to be on basic or expanded basic, had better be ready to pony up some major bucks and local commercial airtime if they want to get on the big 3 (Comcast, DirecTV, Dish network). Down the road they may be able to get some cash, but a startup, no way.
That’s also why there are so many variants of the same channel. The network will give a price break on the major for carriage of the minor. The 2 most known examples are ESPN and ESPN2, and Discovery and TLC. ESPN charges over $2.00 per subscriber, but they throw in ESPN2 for free, or at least used to. Now I think they charge just as much for ESPN2, but throw in a bunch of digital tier channels. If a channel is starting out, they will have a much better chance partnering with an existing player.
But I agree that in the long run, cable companies will be ISPs first and TV companies second. There’s going to be a point where the revenue lines will cross, and they’ll be a major shake out, starting with the digital tier channels (since they have a much smaller audience). I’m not optimistic their viewers will be able to find them once they loose the set top, but it could happen.
To me, the wild card in all of this is VOD and True 2 Way/Open Cable. While it uses a lot of the same tech in the backbone as ITV, it is still a different channel not subject to the same capacity issues as the Internet channels, and is very much a plug and play tech for customers (as noted by David W above, ITV in the US still has a long way to go to be easy to use). The biggest complaint I hear about the service is the lousy UI, but with T2W anyone can design a better than Motorola interface using standard Web2.0 tools. Right now there’s a lot of programming available that is also on Hulu, broadcast, and programmer’s sites. The one exception is that the quality is much better than ITV (although ITV will be able to catch up with the DOCSIS 3.0 rollout later this summer), and there’s a payment mechanism already in place. I think ITMS shows that most people will pay for content if it isn’t hard to do, and this is where the cable companies have an edge.
Bob, let me articulate more about the TCP/IP in the public internet.
Your arguments above for internet TV does not mention any of the two leading “managed” IP TV networks – FiOS and U-Verse. Many people here (and I believe you too) confuses the unmanaged public internet as the vehicle for this supposed future TV.
I disagree to your conclusions.
For one, as Mr. Young mentioned above, the public internet is not and will not be ideal to carry high bandwidth streaming TV content like Hulu (I am supposing HD 720p at least here). I know that Hulu has good content of 480i/p but even with my 18Mbps service does not give it mercy. If you haven’t noticed the Hulu plug-in is designed to buffer several seconds before playing?
But back to internet TV that you predict. The public internet was and always will be a “best effort” network. This means one packet of content will take however long it takes to traverse the multitude of routers and switches on its way to you. No packet is guaranteed arrival time or at all. This “feature” of the internet, as you know, arised from DARPA’s original visions to survive a nuclear war. This is what we take for granted as packet routability – Internet’s greatest feature.
Ubiquity of the public Internet, even at any speed, will not change this. Why? This is because those ISPs (the Verizons, AT&Ts, and Comcasts of the world) will want to serve their traffic with priority or immediate QoS (quality of service). General internet traffic are assigned the very lowest QoS and thus will get delivered whenever there is enough bandwidth to carry them.
What does this leave the likes of Hulu or Joost? They are left hanging in the dark – and don’t even mention Net Neutrality for this is not the case. Prioritizing your service over internet traffic is not like throttling – a la Comcast . It does not constitute Net Neutrality. The ISP is just guaranteeing that their IPTV and VoIP streams get to you with the least latency across their network.
The ISPs, FiOS and U-Verse, are IPTV network and they, tada!, offer digital IP-based TV. IPTV is not the same as Internet TV as you define in your article but I think you were coming to this conclusion. FiOS and U-Verse offer much of the same TV as the cable guys but in a completely different distribution. Phone disguised in a VoIP form and internet bandwidth comes as packaged in bundle.
Internet TV (IPTV not Hulu) will succeed where analog & cable were a few years ago. I have been a U-Verse subscriber when their initial growing pains were worked out. I never imagined how good and reliable a telco providing TV service but I have been one very satisfied customer. I have never seen HD like U-Verse’s from Comcast, DISH, or DTV. U-Verse’s HD streams have less compression so they look sharper with less blockiness. The whole-home sharing between the STBs are very nice touch. Also, every STBs becomes your Ethernet port for those with AppleTV or Mac mini (hint?) next to the flat panel. Nice feature.
So, despite my fondness watching Internet TV on occassion, I have reservations as to Hulu or TV.com becoming our future de facto TV providers for as long as their content has to traverse the latent and best-effort public Internet.
FiOS TV isn’t IPTV, at least in the way you’re thinking. It is nearly identical to digital cable. In some markets they even send a “basic” analog lineup for second and third sets in homes, just like cable.
Now, the VOD platform, and likely many of the broadcast digital services, may be sent over the FiOS backbone as an IPTV signal, either unicast or multicast, but once it gets to the Central Office it is converted to MPEG over QAM, just like cable service.
Eric, FiOS is entirely IP so that qualifies them as IPTV. You are confusing Hulu as IPTV, they’re not. IPTV is distributed in a fully managed IP network. The public Internet will never be one.
Oops. My bad. FiOS TV is modulated 870MHz RF over the 1550nm fiber which is practically identical to Cable’s. FiOS’s 1310nm data fiber and soon, 1490nm fiber will support the next gen IPTV service.
Great set of posts Eric and Robomac.
I’m glad someone brought up ESPN pricing; a killer for some of the mom and pops who are still trying to play, even when the big boys are in town.
Same for the difference between streaming video services like Hulu and IPTV often via triple play packages offered by Phone and Cable providers.
Great conversations.
Sorry to post twice, but I missed something…
Now, the AT&T Uverse service really is IPTV, using a 6Mbps DSL service. Most SD channels fit quite well in 1.5Mbps or less, but HD needs a lot of compression to fit in the 6Mbps channel. AT&T is using MPEG 4, so that helps, but if you’re doing a lot of downloading and trying to watch an HD channel with a lot of action, you may see something give up and slow down. Not a big deal, but with the higher bandwidth from cable or FiOS you won’t have that to worry about.
Eric, thanks for your input but not in my case. I am guaranteed 18Mbps Internet alone. This goes along with my 4 STBs which can record 2 HD 720p streams while watching another. I wonder where all that bandwidth is coming from in a 6Mbps system?
Eric, U-Verse VDSL is not for everyone. You have to be close to the street cabinets to get this kind of speed. The fiber gateways do better bandwidth at longer distances but not until AT&T decides to cover everyone you wont get it.
That leaves you to FiOS or Cable for your IPTV.
Again, my argument is not being pro U-Verse. My point is that Internet TV is not IPTV. Hulu style of streaming over the public Internet does not make IPTV like FiOS or U-Verse.
And until Cable switches to an entirely IP network I won’t consider them IPTV. That will take years for them to do that even with DOCSIS 3.0. That protocol is meant to address their Internet bandwidth issues not IPTV.
U-verse typically gets between 25 and 30 Mb/s over their FTTN/VDSL. Their MPEG-4 AVC can deliver HD at about 6 Mb/s, so they can (with good copper to a household close to the node) squeeze two HD streams and 18 Mb/s data onto the VDSL loop. If not, the data gets squeezed.
tv over internet is not going to exist as a direct-to-you from a content provider. two things will resolve the internet bottleneck and traffic favoritism… first, content you request will trickle in all the time; e.g. the majority of content you watch will be constantly downloading to your set top box from the best available source (a la bittorrent type protocol). your set top box will have a very large hard disk that will store all the content. when you finally get around to watching this week’s “family guy” it will be sitting on your local hard disk and will have trickled in the night before. the content will arrive encrypted and then when the provider wants to show the episode at 7pm they only need to send the key to decrypt it. secondly, the set top box will understand your viewing habits and predownload anything you might want to see (so if you like “family guy” it will download lots of similar adult cartoons) and will also take advantage of the fact that 80% of people watch the same set of currently popular shows ( so everyone gets “american idol” downloaded since statistically you are likely to watch it). Finally the data center in a shipping container that bob has talked at length about will allow providers to stage huge amounts of content locally so that the distance between any viewer and content is small. The whole concept scales as well so as you get more viewers you just add more containers where needed.
The biggest issue i could see would be handling the obscure and one-off programming (like when i want to watch an old chips episode or something) because that programming may not always be close and i may be the only guy that wants it. Its that on-demand and obscure stuff that costs more in bandwidth but for the normal weekly programming its really just a matter of staging a copy of the weeks content at key points and then trickling it onto the set top box drive for you to watch…
Exactly right. It is frustrating to read over and over again somebody doing the math of so many streams multiplied by so many pixels divided by so many megabits.
TiVo has demonstrated that for anything other than live sporting events, people want the opposite of real-time streaming. If Bob would stop thinking about streaming, take a bold step back to the past, and embrace the idea of *downloading* he would find that almost all the technical problems disappear. Everything then reduces to a scheduling and allocation problem.
The real trick is to convince the content owners to allow their content to be stored on the end users’ computers (TiVos) without freaking out about piracy.
And realize that when I buy content, *I* am buying it — not my computer. I will never buy content for my laptop and then buy it again for my TV. That is called double-charging.
What about IP broadcast which Bob has mentioned not that long ago.
For many viewers, watching a regular show/event/whatever at a standard time each week is part of the way they like to live. So free to air broadcast can be partly replaced by IP broadcast which is not that much of a bandwidth hog, compared to 20 torrents
Apple software indeed. Software Its the only truly “scalable” product there is right. The obveouls question however is how long will it take to make any box with any logo ubiquitous. At the end of the day its just a tool. As I told some Apple pals of mine, “its not nirvana, its a computer.” The magic is in THE SOFTWARE.
Robert, from where does your data that viewership is declining? The most recent Nielsen reports continue to show Americans are watching a record amount of television, and internet viewing (YouTube, Hulu, etc.) is additive. Further, total pay TV subscriptions (aggregate of cable, satellite, and telco) continue to rise.
You’ve also neglected to note that, while internet TV viewership is indeed rising, revenues associated with it are a tiny fraction of broadcast/cable revenues. Subscriptions and advertising for traditional television are roughly a $140B/yr business (roughly 50/50 between subscription and advertising). Equivalent revenues on the internet side are generally considered to be under $1B. Further, the $70B in advertising revenue is likely to rise significantly as newer interactive platforms like EBIF and tru2way enable targeted and interactive advertising.
It’s all predicated on having a data connection to the user that can carry the content … and as you point out, the US is a long way behind other countries here – even in the areas that have decent access speeds. I can’t see this idea working until the data pipe into the home is a lot fatter everywhere – yet the current efforts by the ISP’s is not to increase our access speed to improve the “end user experience” but instead to cap our usage.
This is the US – you have a few large monopolies fighting over a limited payment stream in a contracting economy.
It’ll all end in tears.
Experience shows us that video follows audio. For example, people have been sharing albums online for 15 years or so, and now people think nothing of sharing HD movies.
Last year Logitech brought out the Squeezebox Boom – a self contained wifi internet radio that a normal person can get to work out of the box without the need for a PC. Many people still haven’t heard of internet radios, but I see them taking off in a big way.
It can only be a few years before internet TVs reach a similar level of maturity, and Bob’s prediction will come to fruition.
The limiting factor on the G5 was probably the original graphics card, 64 mb VRAM doesn’t cut it anymore. The new mini uses system RAM for video, and I’ve heard it can allocate it dynamically, as required. And perhaps, by the time the warranty can no longer be endangered by a gasket scraper, PC1066 SODIMMs will be available in 4GB.
@tim… what graphics card should i put in my G5 circa 2006? Or should i just bite bullet and get a new Intel G5 ?
Oops, I meant DDR3 1066.
Perhaps it’s just anecdotal, but since the change to the digital broadcast signal, I’ve read about an increasing number of people buying antennas and dropping their pay television service. Most people under the age of 40 grew up with some form of pay television, so to now be able to get high quality digital content over the air for free may seem to them as cool and clever, versus paying for it through cable/satellite/ internet, which perhaps they may now view as for fools and suckers.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Antenna-Makers-Put-Free-TV-On-ibd-15031729.html?.v=1
It all sounds great and all I have in my living room is an LCD hooked up to a computer and recording shows using MCE, watching Hulu and other shows online…
BUT! There is a huge BUT!
It is a FAR more different experience than passive TV watching of the olden days. Whereas then, the only interaction was to switch a channel and jump onto another frequency of moving images, now, it is quite a different experience.
Watching a show could be interrupted because John called and I needed to jump to maps.google.com to check directions for him. Or my SO wants to check out that band that just got mentioned on some show. Or I just remembered that I need to pay bills etc. etc.
The mind shift required is vast. I don’t know how this will work with the couch potatoes. I can’t even imagine how this will work if we ever have kids. Will they want to be on the Facebook3000 all day while I watch the reruns of House?
Our daughter is 8. She’s grown up with a computer (Mac G5 1.8 w/256MB video card) available to her that has all her movies ripped to disk (play in iTunes) and a USB tv tuner that can DVR. She’s used to watching tv in a window, when using the computer or switching to full screen when playing (craft room with some (too many) toys). The idea of just plopping down and seeing what’s on would be really weird to her. She’s picked up our habit of researching shows while watching (we use IMDB/Wikipedia, she uses Disney/Nick sites) and has recently asked me for a second monitor (she pulled out tower and looked at back of to see two ports.). Kids seem to take right to this.
We also have a Mac mini w/tv tuner as our primary server (iTunes/iPhoto/web server; where’s iDocs for files and e-books?) and an two Apple TV’s feeding monitors (I mean tv’s). This setup is near to the Star Trek “Computer, play xyz” in any room/device around the house. Just waiting to get an iPhone and a Mac Tablet.
There is evidence that PBS might survive and even win. In 1996, I was a volunteer at KCRW, Santa Monica, (www.kcrw.com, if by some miracle you haven’t heard of them) and my job was recording their broadcast shows, encoding them in Real Audio, and posting them to their online archives. KCRW is now, of course, stuff of legend. It is by far the most powerful radio station in the world, and the leader in online broadcasting by light years. How do they do it?
For one, they aren’t restricted by the same model that restricts broadcasters. For years, whatever KCRW, or NPR or PBS produce has been freely distributed because funding is in large part public or quasi-public. I already watch old Frontline, This American Life, Nova, etc., etc., online. This is what network television still can NOT do.
In essence, the future internet TV model IS the online public media model: we pay directly with cash or indirectly through taxes, and the material is there whenever we want it.
I think PBS gets it. They certainly don’t get the money savings part, but, presumably, they can’t afford NOT to be in digital once we have switched over.
The bigger challenge will be for PBS, NPR, PRI, etc., to get over their own insularity and open the model to players beyond the usual suspects (Frontline, Nature, Ken Burns, etc.). It remains to be seen if they are savvy enough to do that. KCRW certainly is.
This is the point you miss, Bob. What is stifling the networks is their obstinacy. Just as record companies defended a turkey of a model (though, a profitable one), the networks are doing everything they can to preserve the old business model. This is the other reason hulu will fail. It’s still part of the old, restrictive business model.
“That’s why I argued in PBS meetings to forget about spending $1.8 billion to upgrade local stations for digital TV and instead sell or lease that spectrum for commercial data use and throw the resulting $3 billion (lease revenue plus the $1.8 billion savings) into rebuilding the network solely as an Internet service.”
Did none of the people wth whom you were arguing point out that the spectrum licensed by the FCC to local PBS affiliates is licensed for television broadcasting only (using whatever method, NTSC or ATSC, that the FCC dictates), and that if those local stations don’t wish to use it for that they have no option other than to surrender their broadcast license? In other words, was there no one in the room who understood that neither PBS, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, nor the local stations own the spectrum or have any say over it, and that Congress and the FCC decide to what use, if any, it is put, and by whom, regardless of what the NAB would like for us all to believe?
Bob, don’t count Cable companies/satelite companies out of this game. They are well aware of it. DishNetwork/DirecTV has purchased rights for broadcast of up and coming shows, before they’re fed to the networks. They are working on expanding this, currently, as they’re going to start producing their own shows. So, trust me, these companies KNOW that it’s all about content.
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=13478639&src=news
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/nf/20090529/tc_nf/66882
https://www.hulu.com/labs/hulu-desktop
http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/06/movie-studios-launch-epix.ars
Based on the behaviors of all my main stream friends, cable is and will be their primary means of viewing, with internet video being a enhanced way of “communicating” by sharing odd curious tidbits of basically useless information, via FREE content known as web videos, I don’t know anyone who could sit down in front of their computer and ingest a full length movie just because it’s free when they can be watching it on a TV set, nor do I know of anyone personally who downloads DVD’s and burns them for playback, fee based or pirated. However I do know people who buy pirated DVD’s on a regular basis from street vendors.
In time internet video will just be another form of paid distribution, and networks and the evening news will not go away.
I forgot to ask how much did you pay to license the use of that image of Gort?
I see two buckets of sand in the gears, or perhaps grease-guns, depending on your point of view.
First is multicast. It’s really the way TV-over-IP ought to be done, for bandwidth efficiency. Unfortunately nobody ever did any practical multicast deployments on ipv4. Maybe the situation will be different on ipv6. It puts TV back from the Internet “when you want” to “when it’s on”, but there could also be subscribably feeds of new shows every 15 minutes, and it would still be cheaper than millions of unicasts. Maybe if/when ipv6 gets deployed, with it’s more wired-in multicast, things will be different.
Second is common-carrier status. So far the internet has been kind of like a common-carrier, and it should be a common-carrier. But all of the ISPs have fought tooth-and-nail against permitting it to gain common-carrier status. This is THE way to kill the goose that has been laying golden eggs for over a decade now, the ISPs and content producers have been trying to kill that goose, and there’s no indication that they will stop. The goose has proven remarkably robust – so far.
4G wireless & Clearwire’s Wimax will squeze the two last-mile pipes (cellular &cable/telco) into only one as 20 megabits/sec. mobile wireless availability will give us big pipes both at home and on the road from only one last-mile provider. I spend $300/month now for a family of three adults for cell, cable, phone & HS internet. This will be cut in half by very high speed wireless last-mile, which should be adequate for most of us. VZ & T will be looking like GM & Chrysler in a few years – There is no way they can “live long & prosper”. JMHO.
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I wonder where this will leave my parents who likely will never have faster than an 18kbs internet connection.
Given that AT&T promised to provide broadband to all their customers by the end of 2007 as per the Bellsouth merger and hasn’t done it (not that anyone cared to notice), it likely isn’t happening any time soon.
I am one of the satellite providers’ customers (affectionately referred to as D*tv on many forums). Currently, their on-demand service works by downloading shows off of a server that they provide, through your ISP, onto the PVR that they own (requires an ethernet connection). Once it is downloaded, you may watch at your leisure. You may download also download “premium” movies or shows (stuff that requires a fee like new release movies) — but you only get charged if you actually watch it. Of course it is all encrypted, and only watchable on/via their DVR. However, in the context of this column, I have to think this is another variant of internet TV. I’ve ordered a wireless adapter to avoid a cabling issue, and plan to try it out shortly.
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It was about 5 years ago when Bob published some articles on alternative ways to get TV programming. One of my favorites was “The Limits of SpongeBob SquarePants: One Canadian’s Wireless Neighborhood Network Could Someday Serve Us All”
The technology and economics is definitely shifting to an on-demand mode of watching TV content. Sometime soon only the news and sports may be seen on live TV. The ISP’s could become the big players for the future. Given the dropping cost of storage and processing, it is only a matter of time until they begin storing huge amounts of programming in on their networks and distributing it on-demand to their subscribers.
As you know if most of the entertain content comes from Apple, Hulu, TV.com, NetFlix and other centralized Internet services, as more and more of us start downloading lots of programs our ISP’s will need bigger connections to the Internet. This will cost them (and us) real money. If they put the content on THEIR network, it could save them money.
But are the ISP’s smart enough to realize this potential?
I can’t wait to see the second season of NerdTV. Since Hulu is an advertising based service, would it be possible to sell advertising time to a few firms and use Hulu to distribute your content and collect some income to cover production costs? I think you can count on at least 100,000 downloads per episode — so that is something a potential advertiser can embrace.
Watcha think?
John, proud Cringely follower for more years than I am willing to admit.
If you do make NerdTV available, Bob, please make it available to the world, not just the USA.
Thanks!
The Mac Mini makes a terrific media center/home server.
I have a core duo 2GHz unit (consider 2GHz to be minimum for this project) that I disassembled, removed the 2.5” drive and ran an eSata cable from the internal connection to an external 3.5” drive. There are instructions and videos all over the web for the procedure, pretty easy, just Google “Mac Mini eSata Mod”. I used a pizza cutter wheel to pop the mini open. Now you have a Terrabyte mini. Use an HDMI cable to hook the mini’s video up to your HDTV, your mini will know what to do. Connect sound output to the stereo, amp, whatever.
A major advantage of using the Mac Mini is power consumption. It literally uses One Tenth the power of a tower.
We use an EYETV Hybrid in one of the mini’s USB ports to capture HDTV. The mini’s onboard graphics deliver 1080 HD without a problem.
Now you have HDTV, music, pictures, home movies (lots of those), DVD’s, downloaded movies (iTunes store), (even WMV’s with flip4mac installed), all operated via Front Row with the Apple Remote, INCLUDING EYETV. The mini sips power (40 watts) so we leave it running 24/7. You can program TV recordings from anywhere by logging into your account with Titan TV (which EYETV uses as a program guide) and the mini will check in every hour and setup recordings for you. Everyone who has seen the setup, especially if they’ve never seen front row, remarks what a slick system it is. We also have an airport express on the other side of the house that plays iTunes from the mini throughout the house.
All other computers/laptops in the house connect to the mini via the mini’s Gigabit Ethernet and backup files to it.
We have two more identical external drives. One is connected to USB on the mini and the primary drive is mirrored as a bootable backup onto the USB drive in the middle of the night every night via “SuperDuper” Once a week we swap that USB drive with the third drive for offsite storage.
Pretty good bang for the buck.
There are now chipsets on the market that have 3 built-in HDTV receivers/channels that have on chip MPEG, H.264, and AAC decoders; support the cable TV smart-card; and do a few other useful things.
If we use software to manage, code, and decode all our video content, we will need some serious processing power. With a good video processing board with some good hardware decoding chips, we can get a better solution for a faction of the cost.
I really don’t want to have to buy all new TV’s, or to add $500-1000 devices to each TV I already have. I wouldn’t mind buying a $500 “central” box that could support 4-6 TV’s. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could unplug the splitter that is sending TV through out our homes today and replace it with an appliance that deliver video content from all of our favorite sources?
John said… “Wouldn’t it be nice if we could unplug the splitter that is sending TV through out our homes today and replace it with an appliance that deliver video content from all of our favorite sources?”
Yes! Still bugs me what I paid for refurb AppleTV’s (40 GB models; stream video from Mini server just fine). If they made some kind of UDP video/audio stream that all monitors/receivers could handle, life would be grand. Or wireless firewire. Really bugs me that firewire didn’t make it in the AV world, other than camcorder connections.
Hulu and TV.com are not available in Canada, nor are they (I believe) available anywhere outside the U.S. Yeah, I could set up a proxy to trick those sites into thinking I’m from the U.S., but I’m put off those services by the mere attempt to restrict me from viewing them. Even though I understand that there are licensing implications to expanding internationally, the restriction makes me feel like they’re telling me “nya nya…you’re not American so you’re not good enough to watch our stuff”. Plus Apple was able to remove DRM from iTunes songs across the world in one shot, so I don’t see why ABC/CBC/NBS/FOX/etc can’t do it either.
Wow, that is interesting.
We have a prestigious radio station in town. When it comes to the internet, they have been clueless. Like Bob, I went to them several years ago and made a pitch to them on what they could do with the Internet. They produce a lot of excellent content that would have national and international appeal, and the Internet could be used to extend their reach and advertising revenue. Well that was 10 years ago and this station still has a crappy website and they are spending a lot more on it than they are making from it.
One of the great advantages of the Internet is you can get geographic location information on your visitors. The easiest way is of course by guessing from the IP address. The best way is to simply ask the visitor. All a content provider like hulu.com or tv.com has to do is to move to a region specific advertising system. In time and with a little more effort you can go to community specific advertising. The key is to have a simple and easy process to dynamically insert advertisements into one’s programming.
For the radio station I was going to start with the 80/20 rule and pick a small number of programs that would be accessed the most. In those programs we would pre-edit the content and insert the advertisements. It would be done as a batch job daily or weekly. (Remember, this was 10 years ago when a lot of the good technology wasn’t available.) For the lessor accessed stuff, we would dynamically edit in the commercials when the content was requested. The trick was to give the listener the best access to the content without spending too much in infrastructure behind the scenes.
In looking at this radio stations potential market, I realized we could at least double it using the Internet. With hulu.com and tv.com’s content, their potential market could be at least 5x as big as the USA market. So, it would make sense to plan for the big picture day one.
In Luke’s (from Canada) case, I’d try to sign up some Canadian national firms to be early advertisers. When Luke’s community would become a big user of my TV service, I’d start selling advertisements to his local businesses. I’d develop a semi-automated system that would allow my advertisers to upload their ads and manage when and how often they are played.
The key to good advertising is to target your message to the right audience. When you have content that has broad, perhaps international appeal, you need to build a system that can manage a large portfolio of advertisements; and then insert the right ad for the audience. The country and location of the audience is just one parameter, and probably the easiest parameter to track.
As a USA citizen I KNOW our television news is mostly CRAP. I would love to have access to news from other countries that would have a different perspective, perhaps a more balanced view on the news and events.
John
What about all the broadcast channels the tv stations are now using? What’s going to happen with all that spectrum, assuming your projections play out?
argh!
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I make my living guiding CE hardware manufacturers in their strategic product planning, mostly working with the larger China companies. As Bob, I have also read the tea leaves pointing to the emergence of Internet TV, and have more and more been steering projects toward embracing this reality. It is a hard, hard sell, as manufacturers are utterly obsessed with the way things are today, and have little interest in enabling future usage patterns in their products. But, I continue to nudge and urge, and we have some cool TV products heading to market next year.
My point is that the same delivery realities noted here by Bob significantly impact the television hardware in the living room. Today’s ideal TV set is an all-in-one component with a smorgasbord of I/O options arrayed across its back. As, the manufacturer must accommodate any of a zillion possible local and remote content sources being piped to the display. Tomorrow’s TV is much different. Essentially, it will be just a large computer monitor. In its purest incarnation, it will simply have one standard PC display jack, and serve as the viewport through which we watch whatever media is sent there (wired or wirelessly) from whatever computer we happen to wish to use at the moment. Traditional (legacy) media, including that from old fashioned real-time streaming broadcasters (cable and OTA) will be accommodated by the appropriate computer add-ons. But, the main signal to the TV will come exclusively from the PC.
I laugh when I see today’s clueless CE brands groping for “value added features” such as inserting basic (meaning crude) PC functionality into the TV set itself. Why make the TV into a PC, when you really just need to enable customers to plug it into the PC they already own?
Expect to see much more focus on enabling TV to PC connectivity over the next 2 to 3 years. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Apple step into this void and show the industry how it’s done.
Bob – the week after you wrote this column, the International Nanotechnology Conference 5 was held at UCLA. I’ll spare you the details*, but the three themes that kept recurring were: “more Moore”, “much more Moore”, and “more than Moore”. The scientists and engineers (and managers and investors) know that everything is going to get faster, because they are going to make everything go faster. There will be plenty of bandwidth, the computers will be fast enough, and probably both will be cheaper too. What they cannot make is content. The content companies with money and vision will do that. The only company out there that I can see with those resources is the fruit company you named. They have and are creating a viable (not free, or money-losing) marketplace. If I had to wager, I’d bet on your predictions.
ps: One of the co-chairs is a senior scientist from Intel.
*https://www.inc5.org/
The science is all well and good, but what’s missing from all such dissertations is how this can be distributed given: 1) vastness of territory outside the handful of megalopoli and 2) an economy where 12% is normal unemployment and employment is Wal-Mart stocker/greeter? Annoying, I know, but it has to be answered. This is not an engineering question, but a political one; how to distribute the growth of productivity to the masses. The Bushite way doesn’t do that, and explicitly by intent.
Capitalists are co-dependent on consumers. Consumers are the middle class. The middle class must be the overwhelming majority of households if the growth generated output is to be absorbed. Whether we’re talking widgets or bandwidth, it’s all same same. Note that countries that are ahead of the US both in terms of bandwidth and that bandwidth’s (near) universal availability have either socialized bandwidth or highly regulated privately supplied bandwidth. US telecoms/cables successfully wave the No Socialism Here flag and so we don’t have what’s current state of the art. So we’re the Ununited States of Haves and Have Nots. No amount of engineering will fix that.
I totally agree with you. I wrote a post on my blog predicting the name of this service along with a couple hints and rumors to back it up. Here comes “iTunes TV”
So, a bit off topic, but, what about all of these phone lines we have lying everywhere? Given data and power carried by them (and Moore’s Law,) will we see new products aside from phone cropping up to use the miles of landline strewn about?
Hello, I live in Europe, am the past president of an ISP association and work as strategy consultant for some major players in this field.
Unfortunately, Moore’s law does not apply to copper. we’re close to the physical limits of copper so, unless we switch to fibre, widespread distribution of streaming video even at SD, will not be commercially viable. Once you switch to fibre, you enter the domain of Moore’s law and anything can happen.
TCP/IP suite (which includes UDP), as today does not have a mean to nicely support video streams, as it was pointed out; but if video were commercially viable, it will, as there are a number of IETF groups working on congestion management and related problems.
Telcos are debt-laden as their business is shrinking and switching to fibre requires capex which is simply not there (*); consider that DSL has an EBITDA roughly half that of POTS and debt was built up when contribution margin was coming from POTS and prospects were that the top line would increase forever
(*) with some notable exceptions fibre buildup tends to be concentrated in densely populated areas or where there is public financing
what this leads to is that general, widespread use of high quality video will be carried out essentially in download (a’ la Apple) whilst low quality video will be adequately carried on existing networks mainly with progressive download.
IMHO screen definition quality is important for some content types (sports, movies, etc) but it’s less important for others (lectures, news, etc). If I’m correct, the implication is that the former, which require more network resources, will be paid on some controlled delivery network (even overlaid on the Internet) while the latter will be free on the internet.
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