We’re seven weeks into the Obama Administration and still looking for a way out of both the banking and housing crises. TARP didn’t seem to work, at least not as its designers intended. The new housing plan hasn’t been well received and now that more details are out you’d think there would be an even more negative reaction, but the press doesn’t seem to have even noticed the details were released last week.
Had anyone actually read the press release they would have noticed the Obama plan is no longer limited to refinancing 105 percent of a home’s purchase price, but offers instead what’s essentially a 5/1 Adjustable Rate Mortgage for homeowners and lenders who participate. The new rules do not, however, REQUIRE lenders to accept or approve ANY customers, relying as always on “incentives.” Nor does it require ANY principle reduction on the part of the lenders, allowing instead for a notional 40-year loan term with the deferred principle covered by a balloon payment in some future year.
This isn’t terrible, but it isn’t great, either. It serves the primary goals of the government, which are boosting home prices while at the same time limiting the potential price tag for taxpayers. But the government continues to be too much on the side of lenders who shouldn’t be so easily let off the hook for their past behavior.
This 5/1 ARM strategy essentially spreads the recovery pain over a longer period of time, which is good for lenders. But it hardly offers the 15- and 30-year fixed-rate loans homeowners should really be looking for. The government’s choice to completely ignore fixed-rate financing will probably hurt both the success of the program and its utility for homeowners. The use of balloon payments and no principle reductions simply guarantee that while homeowners may be able to keep their homes for now – some of them – they are in for another unhappy surprise in about five years.
It’s time for a better plan. And Washington supposedly is open to one. The Obama Administration has been asking for suggestions, though without giving out any clear method for actually submitting them. So as a blogger I’ll just hold up my hand and say, “Call on me, Mr. Obama, me, me! I have an answer!”
And I do, or at least I think I do.
You’ll note this is my third try at such an answer since Washington didn’t pick up and run with ideas one or two. But I’ve got a million of them, folks, so here’s Plan Number Three, called the Not-So-Bad Bank.
The idea here is to do something that’s different because variations on the same old stuff aren’t working. The Fed and Treasury keep saying they are using all their tools; well then it is time to invent some better tools.
It might be good to start with some analysis of why what we’ve done so far hasn’t yet been broadly perceived as working or even enough.
You could get Rush Limbaugh and his two cousins in a room and even they would say things have not yet started to get better and are probably getting worse. One reason for this might be that we simply haven’t allowed enough time. That’s probably true for results, but not for perception. Nobody’s saying, “Well we’ve taken care of that one, now what about health care or Social Security?” Nope, we’re still stuck on banking and housing. It could be we simply haven’t done enough — not allocated enough money. It could be that what we’ve done so far were the wrong things to do. All of these possibilities are discussed in the press every day. What isn’t discussed, I think, is that we may have the wrong attitude.
The financial world, especially, has ways of doing things, and the number of approaches they’ll generally consider to ending a recession is deliberately limited — limited by what are perceived to be the available tools and limited, too, by how the financial establishment sees itself. These are proud people who think of themselves as smart and on top of most any situation. Tom Wolfe called them Masters of the Universe and they like that image. The problem is that now we’re in a situation none of them (or us) have been in before and we (they) are limited by both lack of experience and by the way we see ourselves. This is why, for example, banks accept Federal bailout money then don’t lend it. It’s also why our government gives Federal bailout money then doesn’t attach conditions. That’s not what they do.
Well maybe it is time to start doing things a little differently. It is time to start looking at the fundamental processes of this financial engine in a new way. That is done all the time for profit, of course. Every time a new derivative security is announced it is some company’s way of grabbing a little errant profit they sense in the market — it is a new way of doing business. New stuff in that context is considered good. I just think we need new stuff in EVERY context to track down the causes of our problems and fix them. Alas, when it comes to that sort of behavior the financial establishment gets a lot less creative.
To this point we as a nation have come up with three ideas about how to help the banks: 1) buy their bad mortgage securities; 2) invest lots of money in them to build their capital bases, and; 3) preserve them at any cost as being too big to fail. These are perfectly fine ideas, but I think we’re limiting ourselves far too much when it comes to exploring how they might work. We can be smarter and will have to be smarter before the day is over.
My idea involves only the first of those three parts, buying the bad mortgage securities, the so-called “toxic assets.” I think this is a valid thing to do but by limiting our view of it to how it helps the banks is keeping us from reaping the benefits this process could afford to all of us.
The way most pundits expect the toxic assets to be bought up is through the creation of what’s called a “bad bank.” The Resolution Trust Corporation (RTC) was our bad bank the last time we went through something like this during the 1980s savings & loan crisis. The RTC bought bad assets of those many S&Ls and slowly resold them into the marketplace as houses were sold and mortgages were refinanced. Though it took 15 years to do so, the RTC eventually got rid of all those toxic assets and even made a small profit, too, holding those assets effectively to maturity. It was a low-risk process but low reward, too, because it took so long.
That’s the archetype for this next Bad Bank; buy up the toxic assets and dribble them back into the market over time. The one big issue that’s keeping such a bad bank from being created is deciding what price to put on those toxic assets. The banks want the government to take all the risk and bear all the cost so they’d like to sell their toxic assets for 100 cents on the dollar, please, which is lunacy since such securities are selling now on the open market (when a buyer can be found) for 15-20 CENTS on the dollar.
If the Obama Administration follows recent tradition, they’ll give the banks a good deal. This is bad in that the cost will be higher but good in that the Credit Default Swap market will be helped and those costs, at least, will be lower. So I can see reasons to do it both ways, though frankly I’d like to see these bankers and insurance companies pay a bit for their folly.
The problem with the bad bank scenario is that it does nothing – nothing at all – to help homeowners. Bad banks just help banks, not people who own houses, which is why I think we need a Not-So-Bad Bank (a term I just invented) that will help the banks AND homeowners.
Here’s how it works. The so-called toxic assets bought by the bad bank are, for the most part, bonds called Collateralized Mortgage Obligations or CMOs. These were created originally by pulling together a huge pile of mortgages about $100 million high and chopping that amount of debt into various classes of principle and interest and risk amounting typically to 4-5 different types of bonds that were sold to institutional investors. CMOs are types of derivative securities, many of which are protected by Credit Default Swaps (CDS’s), another class of derivative securities sold usually to insurance companies like AIG. That $184 billion given to AIG to keep it afloat was to cover bad bets on CDS’s, remember, because the CMOs were going down in price, homeowners were defaulting in high numbers, The banks were being forced to mark the asset value of their CMO’s to that depressed market value (mark to market) triggering claims against the CDS’s, which turned out to be a VERY bad bet for the insurance companies.
One thing important to remember about CMOs is that, as the banks continually explain, they are so complex and so dispersed that there is no way to put them back together again prior to maturity. Can’t be done. And since politicians are particularly stupid when it comes to math (being only able to understand negative numbers, it seems), they buy this argument, which is supported to some extent by experts at the Treasury and the Federal Reserve who I think, frankly, identify maybe a little too closely with the bankers.
The fact is that Wall Street has all the time had the ability to put those CMOs back together again, just like Dorothy was all along able to return to Kansas by simply clicking her heels. Computers are very good at keeping track of deals like CMOs and they have to because – contrary to what the bankers and brokers tell us — CMO’s are put back together again all the time. This happens every time a mortgage is retired either through the sale of a house or a refinancing.
CMO’s were invented in 1973. That date stems from the arrival of several market conditions, one of which was having the available technology to both create CMO’s — to tear apart and securitize the mortgage pools — AND TO KEEP TRACK OF ALL THE DISPERSED BITS FOR REPAYMENT. If we could do it in 1973 we can do it EASILY today and the fact that we are continually told that it is difficult or impossible probably represents ignorance, institutional inertia, or someone not really wanting to try. Heck, I think they’re just lying.
Think about it: you’ve sold your house, the mortgage is gone (repaid), so the CMO, which is where the mortgage debt obligation actually lies, has to have been repaid, too — every little bitty piece of it, held in different proportions by at least four different bondholders. And as long as there have been CMOs it has been thus.
The funny part is that what is supposed to be impossible happens so easily and so often. A typical CMO deal involves about 10,000 mortgages, the bank knows the shelf life of those loans is three years, which means they get paid off or adjusted after the first year at about 5,000 loans-per-year or around 15 loans-per-day.
So the CMO that was so dense as to be indecipherable is actually deciphered 15 times per day after the first year.
It takes time and effort on the part of mortgage servicers to figure out CMO’s and it costs them money, too. That’s one reason why they want a pre-payment penalty if you pay off your mortgage in the first year.
Understanding all this, let’s now go ahead and fix the system by first figuring out how to price the government purchase of those CMO’s.
If President Obama wants to be a good guy, which he will if he’s planning on having a second term, he’ll come up with some plan that doesn’t hurt the banks too much, doesn’t hurt the insurance companies too much, oh and by the way maybe even helps homeowners. That smooth move would be to create a Not-So-Bad Bank (NSBB).
This has to be done by Congress passing a law creating the bank and giving the bank certain privileges and responsibilities, one of which is the ability to buy-up CMOs, not one bond coupon at a time, but as entire offerings, which would be recaptured and redeemed en masse. Congress can require this by passing a law, but of course the issue is still what price to offer for those typical $100 million (at issuance) CMO deals. The banks want the price to be $100 million. The free market says the CMOs are worth maybe $20 million. Let’s split the difference and have the NSBB pay $60 million.
This price accomplishes three important things. First, it finally sets a price so the secondary CMO market can get moving again. The price is set high enough that though CMO investors lose something they don’t lose everything. It’s high enough, too, that insurance companies don’t have to pay so much to cover those CDS’s. Everyone hurts a bit but nobody dies.
Now we have an entire CMO offering held by the NSBB at a value of $60 million. This type of transaction would be done over and over again, buying-up deal after deal, though it wouldn’t have to be done for all CMOs because the secondary market would have been unfrozen through this government action and private trading of CMOs resumed with a noticeable firming of house prices as a result.
Let’s assume that the NSBB uses $50 billion or more tax dollars to buy-up CMOs at 60 cents on the dollar, which reflects less the market value of the securities and more the market value of the underlying assets or collateral, the homes.
With a normal bad bank now would begin the painfully slow process of waiting for people to sell their houses or refinance so the government can get paid back and eventually even make a profit on its $50 billion investment. Remember this process took the RTC about 15 years to complete.
But we don’t have a bad bank, we have the Not-So-Bad-Bank, which operates differently. Relying on another clause in the law passed to establish the NSBB, the bank has the right to call all the mortgage loans connected to its CMO portfolio, forcing them to be refinanced all at the same time. No waiting for people to sell their homes or refinance on their schedule, in this case the government says to do it NOW.
Using as an example this one CMO deal for 10,000 mortgages, that would mean 10,000 refis all at the same time. Is that bad or good?
Well it turns out to be very good for at least a couple reasons. There’s an opportunity here for economies of scale and for mortgage arbitrage. Doing the numbers we can see that the NSBB owns the CMO deal for $60 million or 60 cents on the dollar. So the NSBB turns around and forces all the homeowners to refinance at 70 cents on the dollar, the difference between those two numbers being the NSBB’s gross profit.
We’ve already given the banks and insurance companies a survivable level of pain by redeeming the CMOs at 60 cents. Now we give the homeowners a break, too, by forcing them to refinance at 70 cents. If they owed $100,000 on their old mortgage, on the new one they’ll only owe $70,000. Most loans that were under water will be dragged to dry ground by this action because it affects only the loan balance, NOT the value of the house. People will owe less, their houses will be worth the same or more, so their equity — which may have been negative — will now suddenly be positive, making it easier to qualify for Fannie, Freddie, Gennie, VA, or FHA refinance loans. And because those loan balances are all 30 percent lower, the payments will be 30 percent lower, too, making the homes more affordable to own. That’s homeowner relief.
Lower payments and higher equity will lead to lower default rates, avoiding the current mortgage restructuring problems that appear not to improve default rates at all.
The best part about this process from the standpoint of the NSBB is that those mortgages can be then resold in the secondary market or aggregated by outfits like Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac, freeing up the NSBB capital to be reused immediately to buy and retire more CMOs and refinance more mortgages.
Running on a 90 day buy-call-refinance cycle, the NSBB could reuse its capital four times per year and within a couple years (not 15) be out of business, having shown a substantial profit that would go back into the Treasury.
The Not-So-Bad-Bank would work better than a Bad Bank. It costs less money, helps firm house prices, gives relief to homeowners, and tempers the distress of banks and insurance companies. The only real count against it is that it isn’t Ben Bernanke’s, Tim Geithner’s, or Larry Summers’ idea.
Why not give it a try, Mr. Obama?
Where is the audio? 🙂
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Actually, Bob there are several counts against your idea:
1. There’s no money in it for Congressional Pork.
2. It’s just too logical – “there’s no way it can work.”
3. There’s no sound bite to “save or create jobs.”
I really do like the idea. I also think that a bill/proposal like this from our government would go a loooooong way in restoring consumer confidence, which I think is the BIG issue that Congress and Obama are just not getting.
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I don’t know much about finance but it may be (or not) a good idea.
But in the second paragraph, you write: “Nor does it require ANY principle reduction on the part of the lenders”. In this particular case, I
know the spelling should be: “principal”, as in the principal of a loan.
I enjoyed the writing in all your columns, this one included.
Regarding lenders’ “reduction in principle” – their principles are so reduced they hace hardly any principles left!
–mac, who can’t refinance because he got laid off
The current economy is a mess everybody knows it. What is amazing is how some people continue their daily life as if nothing changed and one such behavior is their attitude to their credit score. Foreclosures and just not paying laons is not a solution. Until Americans become more responsible for their debts we can not get out of the current mess. It is about time Americans educate themselves about finances and debt. Just taking debts on credit cards and home loans is not the way to go unless you understand what you are doing and face it most of us just do not. Here is a good resource to read about credit https://www.badcreditloansgenie.com Education is key after all you would not try to fix your television set without studying how to do it first but you take a mortgage without understanding the basics behind debt.
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Yes, the word is PRINCIPAL, when referring to a loan which has PRINCIPAL and interest. Bob, you spelled it wrong several times. Spellcheck doesn’t help in this case. Love your columns. 🙂
CMO’s were first created in June 1983 by investment banks Salomon Brothers and First Boston for Freddie Mac…. not 1973.
The banks want the government to take all the risk and bear all the cost so they’d like to sell their toxic assets for 100 cents on the dollar, please, which is lunacy since such securities are selling now on the open market (when a buyer can be found) for 15-20 CENTS on the dollar.
How do you get around this? Will the current political machinery, as beholden to the bankers as they appear to be (and my word, they appear to be! “We don’t need to know what you’re doing with the money we’re giving you, just take it”–what a deal) have the gumption to push something like this through?
Yes, here’s the problem…
http://wallstreetwatch.org/
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The best part about your idea is putting a price on the assets. You say 60 cents on the dollar. It could be 50 or 70 or some other number, not important.
This is the big stumbling block for the banks. They are still holding out for the 100 per cent option! They are *still* not in enough pain to accept a write down on the assets.
Let’s force their collective hand by starting to ask about the capital requirement. If they are insolvent then force them to take the 60 cent option or be dissolved.
Colin.
PS. Hey, yeah, where’s the audio? I’ve never listened to it but now I’m uncomfortable that the link is not there. What gives?
If Pres. Obama takes your advice, please let me know how I make sure my mortgage is part of the CMO, bought by the NSBB, so that I can refinance for 70% of what I still owe.
Couple of issues with your plan. If you price the CMOs at 60 cents on the dollar then a lot of the big banks are insolvent. When that happens FDIC takes them over and tries to sell off pieces, imagine trying to sell off Citi, B of A and WFC at the same time. Just an area you need to work on in your plan.
As for the 60 cents on the dollar price, what if that is too high? The price needs to be based on what an investor thinks they will get out of the bonds future cash flow. We have never seen times like this so the models that price them have issues with their default assumptions which means you have to give the price it spits out a large margin of error. That is why the market says 20 cents.
If NSBB pays 60 and the future defaults make the proper price 40 then the NSBBs or whoever ownes these now have toxic assets again because their bonds are worth a lot less.
Just have the NSBB buy the entire CMO at 20 cents write the principle down to 40 – 50 cents as part of a restructuring. This is already happening in the private markets. What is holding this up is the banks do not want to sell, because they are gone if they do, and second the cost to the taxpayer. The FDIC is on the hook to make the depositors good for the insolvent bank.
Agreed.
Also, the CDO’s and MBS’s represent a HUGE pool of cash — multiple trillions. I’m not sure if we have the cash to buy these things up. Partly, this is what was attempted with the Paulson Plan I, but they decided not to do it when they realized that they didn’t have enough money to buy more than a small percentage of these things, and even buying things at half book value would leave lots of banks insolvent.
Not to mention the fact that the voters would be righteously outraged that the stockholders would pocket profits while Uncle Sam took all the losses.
and what happens if the owner owes more on their loan than the house is worth even if it is discounted to 70% and they don’t have a job or savings to bring money to the table? do they get a nsbb forced repo, and what does the nsbb do with that property?
Bob, I’m not knowledgeable enough about banking to have an informed opinion about your plan, but I do know this.
We can’t go back to the recent home prices…ever.
For most of the 20th century, median home prices were around twice the average income. Here in San Diego, median prices shot up to over 10 times OUR average income which is a bit higher than the national average. If it wasn’t for those ‘creative’ loans, less than 10% of us could have gotten loans. That fact was published here over three years ago so I don’t understand it when people here say they didn’t see this collapse coming. It’s basic math.
My point is that what ever plan we choose HAS to take into account that home prices are going back to around twice the average income… and hopefully stay there so we don’t have to go through this mess again!
You’re right on the money. I saw the same thing happening in the Northern Virginia area where prices spiked as well. Needless to say, even on an income of $50k (above average for most of the nation, and not below the poverty line at all), it would have been impossible to buy a house or even a condo – condos were going for $200-$400k, houses didn’t start until $500k, and townhomes were $300 to $500k as well. Granted, the median income was $90k, but you’re still talking well over twice median income.
I had a number of people say “it’ll always go up because there are government jobs here so it’s safe”, while I stated the obvious – it’s unstainable; you’re base market can’t buy anything, and it’s going to crash. It has since crashed – after I moved on to another area – and is still crashing.
Housing prices need to be within reach of the base market – those 20-somethings and 30-somethings looking to start a family on a modest income, supportable by one person working full-time.
Of course, we also have to adjust the whole “job creation” issue too – don’t create two jobs by killing one job and bringing it back as two jobs at a lower pay rate. (Thank you Clinton for all that marvelous work.)
The big issue is debt, and we need to get rid of it. The only way to do so it is to either (a) write it off, or (b) pay it down. The more that gets paid down, then better we will do. So doing what we can to help people pay down their debt should be the number one priority of any plan to salvage the economy because nothing else will ever work. It’s not a problem that we can _spend_ our way out of – creating more national debt is not going to be an option; though it seems to be the only option anyone in W.D.C. is considering.
Rather, those in W.D.C. should be leading by example – paying down the national debt, which will infuse more money (albeit indirectly) into the economy than any stimulus package could ever do. Stop creating T-bills and bonds to pay back existing ones that have matured. Pay it down. Get rid of the debt. It’ll strengthen the dollar at the same time too.
the problem with paying down debt is it’s money out of the economy. when you pay off a bank debt, that money is gone, the money supply is contracted. it’s a misconception that borrowed money is someone else’s money. it’s not. that money is created when the loan is created, and it is gone when it is paid off. look it up.
in other words, pay down debt, and the economy contracts further. the downward spiral accelerates…
I certainly hope that if this plan comes to fruition I’m not one of your “lucky” homeowners. Having one place after another where I worked close up shop or sell out and skip town I’ve spent a significant amount of the last few years unemployed or underemployed. My credit score, which I worked hard for years to get good enough to buy a house has tanked further than the Dow. If by some chance I could even get a new mortgage (as required by your plan) it would be with much higher payments and interest rates than I have now. Hell, it might even push me down those last few steps to bankruptcy. Thanks Bob.
So, if mortgages and/or their securities are worth 20¢ (or whatever) on the dollar if a buyer can be found, then how do I buy one? Specifically, my own mortgage? If the banks need money now, I am willing to give them this discounted price buy selling my stocks (*snicker*), using savings, and borrowing a small bit from a rich uncle. I know that many of my coworkers could also handle this financial outlay, so how do we give (when added up) a few million dollars from one small corner of America to save our financial system?
How to send your ideas to Obama:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/opl/
There’s a couple of problems here. One, not all of those securities are actually backed by mortgages. Some of them are backed by shorts (which is to say, nothing).
Another problem is that the government has set some bad precedents by using the $184B to AIG primarily to bail out banks by paying out those CDS’s at par value. (Yes, Paulson paid AIG to pay Goldman (among others) to pay off bad bets (at par value) that were made while he was CEO of Goldman. Kind of shows you where the priorities were for the TARP money, doesn’t it? (well, at least for the first half of it).)
I forgot to add, other than that, I like the idea. I’m not an expert, but maybe the first problem could be gotten around, somehow? Certainly, someone does need to look at things differently.
This whole, bank’s-too-big-to-fail-so-we’ll-arrange-a-sale-to-result-in-an-even-bigger-bank idea has got to go, no doubt.
Your ideas may require more cooking time, but I like your gumption. I hear Geithner is looking for more staff. Just check that your taxes are paid up, mkay?
Bob, what does this do to homeowners who aren’t a part of the re-fi packaging?
Do they suddenly lose home value and equity in the bargain?
It’s as though we’re reseting the prices lower artificially, only now we’re forcing it to find an arbitrary equilibrium across the entire panoply.
I fear your desire to “spread the pain” equally between banks, insurers and homeowners will come at the expense of homeowners who haven’t been late or even own their homes outright.
Yes, their property values are already being affected. But does that give us anyone the right to mandate that it bleed others too, and exacerbating that effect further?
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The problem with this plan is the enormous moral hazard it presents. Banks and insurance companies get off with 60 cents on the dollar for making decisions so poor that they tanked the world economy. Home purchasers who made the insanely bad decisions that led to homes that are massively underwater and mortgage payments that are way more than can be afforded got off effectively scot-free. These are people who thought paying $800K for a 2000 square foot home on income of $100K or less was a good idea. Those people had every bit as much a hand in the insanity that has led to a meltdown as the bankers did. If consumers had refused to purchase at inflated and unaffordable prices, the bubble could never have inflated. Those of us who were responsible and refused to buy into the insanity have been paying rent with no deductible-interest mortgage to lessen our tax bills even while the houses around us became even more unaffordable. It is my tax dollars that are paying for this bailout, so where the hell is my upside? I get to watch home prices once again supported at artificially high prices and a bunch of idiot homeowners get handed free money by the govt? No thanks. Modify the thing so that anyone in the top 3 or 4 tax brackets that wasn’t writing off mortgage interest during the bubble years gets fat assistance with a NEW mortgage and it might start to approach fairness. In LA, we aren’t talking about $100K reduction to $70K, we are talking about $1 million reduction to $700K. So where’s my $300K in free govt money? After all, I’m one of the (apparently) few who was able to see the craziness for what it was and refused to get involved. I deserve ample reward for that.
Concur with Sam G on the moral hazard theory. Instead of buying a house in LA at over-inflated prices, I also continued to rent and (un)wisely put my hard-earned cash and retirement into mutual funds. Now that those tanked, where is my bailout?
That said, I say whatever it takes to restore confidence to Wall Street and turn this painful bear market, whether this plan or another creative alternative. Rebuild the credit and financial markets now, and worry about the costs later. Once my portfolio gets within 80% of its original value, I’m taking the money and moving to another country to avoid the upcoming drastic hikes in federal and state income tax rates.
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The audio can be had at:
https://www.cringely.com/podcast/20090310.mp3
Thankfully, Bob isn’t garbling the name of the MP3 files like he used to so you can check for them in his /podcast directory.
Bob,
I think this is a great idea. It is logical and makes sense. Which is the problem with the idea.
It is a problem because the banks and insurance companies are not going to want to take any type of hit. You are dead on in describing how they view themselves. And I think you are right in stating that the administration is being to nice to them.
I think SamG is right about the moral hazard that this presents. However, I think that this would be less painful to those of us that played by the rules than the massive tax payer based bailout.
Lastly, I do not think this would work because I am losing faith in the administration. I admire President Obama and the work he has done. However, I fear that the rest of the people in Washington are not ready to change. Look at all the earmarks that came through the spending bill yesterday. We are in crisis and the politicians are acting like they always do. And the bankers will continue to act like they always do. My only hope is the people of this country will demand more from their representatives and hold them accountable for their actions with their vote.
Thank you Bob!
Cringely in 2012?
It’s an interesting idea, but I see several problems.
Let’s assume we’re just talking about straight mortgages owned by banks. As long as a bank doesn’t sell that mortgaged property, it can practically pretend that mortgage is worth as much as they want on their books. Once you actually start pricing those assets, even at what seems to be a reasonable 60 cents on the dollar, you’re going to have a bunch of banks going under. This is one of the reasons why TARP hasn’t worked. Many banks simply cannot accept anything less than 100 cents on the dollar or else they would have to admit they’re bankrupt.
Another issue is not that we have Collateralized Mortgage Obligations (CMO). That’s old hat. If all we had to do was locate which house is in which CMO, that would be simple to do.
It’s that we sliced up those CMOs into tranches. Those tranches were placed into other securities which were also sliced and diced. A favorite trick here in New Jersey for owners of foreclosed properties is to ask for the original mortgage. In many cases, no one knows who actually holds those mortgages any more. Several court cases have taken place where houses were foreclosed, but the foreclosure was deemed invalid because the actual mortgage holder can’t be found.
Plus, you have the credit default swaps that will kick in when we reevaluate the initial CMOs that they are all attached to. You think AIG is insolvent now, wait until we actually put a price on those CMOs that are below 100 cents on the dollar.
The big problem with CMOs is that they aren’t simple insurance on bad assets. It’s that they were also sold as investments. A good way to look at this is imagine me buying fire insurance on my house. Now, imagine the whole neighborhood buying fire insurance on my house in the hope that it will burn down. If my house does burn down, the insurance company isn’t just paying out the $200,000 it will cost to rebuild my house, it is now paying millions of dollars to all the people who knew I liked to smoke in bed.
The same is true of credit default swaps (CDS). Let’s say there’s a CMO that is made up of a billion dollars in mortgages. Imagine that a CDS was created to protect that CMO. Repricing that billion dollar CMO to 600 million means that the organization that wrote the CDS would now have to pay out 400 million to the holder of the CMO. But, wait, the organization simply didn’t write one CDS for that CMO, but one hundred of them. Now, that organization has to pay out to all those 100 holders of that CDS a total of 40 billion dollars, or 40 times the initial worth of that CMO.
Even worse, you actually have organizations that played both sides of the CDS equation for the same CMO! Let’s say that there was a CMO that looked pretty strong, so the price of a CDS for that CMO was 100 million dollars. I think this looks like a good investment, so I pay my 100 million and get a CDS covering that CMO. (Remember, I may not even own that CMO).
A few years later, that CMO is beginning to look a little shaky, so the cost of a CDS for that CMO is now 200 million dollars. I now create a a new CDS and sell it to someone willing to pay 200 million. I just made a cool 200 million. If that CMO does go under, I’m not worried about being on the line for billions of dollars. The initial CDS which I paid 100 million for will pay me, and I’ll just use the money from that CDS to pay the CDS I sold for 200 million. How can I possibly lose?
We all know what we really should be doing: Reprice the mortgages to their real value, and nationalize those banks that are failed. Clean up the assets, and then resell those banks. Fess up, and take the hit. It’ll hurt and it won’t be fun, but the faster we do it, the sooner we get over the pain. it’s what the RTC did in the 1980s, and what the IMF tells countries in similar circumstances to do.
Unfortunately the mess is so vast and so big, we have no idea where to even start. It will make Herculean task of cleaning the Augean stables seem like a simple spring cleaning.
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yes! in other words, all these institutions have relied on incredibly overly optimistic assumptions in their risk management and wayyy overextended themselves. and these markets are _totally_ unregulated, unlike the banks which have capital requirements–although again as mentioned several times that is a bit grey depending on how you value your assets… but that’s better than nothing. what boggles my mind is this: the CDS market went from 0 to tens of trillions in a few years. how can that kind of real wealth/capital be created so quickly? it’s ridiculous. it was a sham all along and anybody honest knew it. they just didn’t care cause they were making a lot of money.
Whoaaa…David W. thanks for cluing me in on the real convaluted black hole of bad paper that is swirling around the high finance bored rooms. Now I see what they have been smoking.
I have always been skeptical of buying into the American Dream but that hasn’t stopped me from living it & paying for it.
There is no question that the capitalists let themselves get out of hand on the derivatives being bought and sold with no underlying value.
But on the question of “lenders who shouldn’t be so easily let off the hook,” the discussion always seems to gloss over the fact that the whole thing started because GOVERNMENT enticed and extorted the lenders to make unsound financial decisions for 30 years. The lenders were originally taking steps to spread the risk by creating the derivatives.
If you ignore the facts, you must expect eventually to PAY THE PIPER.
Hmmmm, seems to be more and more a finance column/blog. Hey, I know! Lets talk about how CPU makers are responding to the changing economy and marketplace. ‘Been a long time since we examined that! Bob?
Not to be a scold, but the title President replaces Mr. as in, “Why not give it a try, President Obama?”
The solution is very simple, it’s just that no one wants it. The banks reveal exactly what their assets are and how much they owe and the property owners all get their loans reset to the new(rather less-severely over-inflated) values. Problem solved. Let the stockholders and the bondholders, eat cake.
Cheers,
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Interesting idea, but it can’t work for one big reason. Not all those “slices” of the mortgage are worth the same. Let’s look at a $100,000 mortgage. One guy loaned $10K at 3% and is in line to get his $10K of principal back before anyone else. At the other end, another guy took more risk and loaned $10K at 15% and is last in line to get repaid.
If the loan is repaid at $60,000, who gets the money? Does everyone get $6K or do the first 6 guys get all $10K and the last 4 lenders get nothing? If they get nothing, what’s the incentive?
Now, if you can solve this problem of allocating losses in such a way that everyone agrees, fine. Otherwise, no dice. I’m also not sold on having renters subsidize the half million-dollar homes bought by underemployed citizens via overextended credit. Truth is, the lenders won’t agree to take a 40% hit across the board on the wide range of loans you’re talking about. The stuff selling for $0.15 on the dollar is the guy at the end of the line… other parts of the loan still sell for $0.99 on the dollar. You might be able to work some magic and work out a payout scheme that nets 80% typically, but the government would probably have to kick in billions, and the best you could do is knock down principle 15%.
It’s a nice thought experiment, but way overoptimistic.
I totally agree with David W’s assessment. He does a very nice job of explaining why this problem is so vast and complex and why our current path of piecemeal fixes will never truly work.
What I do have a problem with is the crying from people who are renters or who have substantial equity in their homes or those with enough money to ride this thing out whining about them not getting a bailout. Get over it and try a little compassion. Yes, some homeowners got loans that they had no business getting. However, who is the greater fool, the fool who asks for money knowing they will never be able to pay it back or the fool who loans them the money knowing they can never pay it back? When I posed that question to an analyst colleague he said, “Not the banker, he knew as soon as the loan closed he could sell it and walk away from the liability.” When I said, “that’s fraud,” he said, “no that capitalism.” I do not quite understand that one. I see that as the underlying problem behind all of this.
We are in a mess. It is not getting better. There is a lot of blame to go around. We will not start to recover until there is a floor for housing. Yes, there were irresponsible people, and yes there were irresponsible bankers, and yes there were irresponsible politicians, and yes and yes and yes. All that irresponsibility is hurting lots of people who did all the right things. I know many people who were frugal and worked hard to maintain a very modest lifestyle, only to see their job disappear and their home drop 40% in value. For the vast majority of Americans that is a devastating combo. Therefore, if you were a renter or you are fortunate enough to have made enough money to make it through this mess, congratulations. However, please, have a little compassion and quit whining that you are not getting yours. How much more pain do you want? The sooner we clean up this mess the sooner we can stop the recovery. Then we can put the right rules and regulations in place to protect against this sort of systemic risk. I just do not get the people that sit around and feel slighted because they are not getting theirs. Remember, there are families and kids and widows and many people hurting right now.
If you want to be pissed at someone or something, you should focus your anger on the Stan O’Neil’s or the Jimmy Cayne’s of the world. Many of these CEO’s plunged their companies into the mortgage securitization markets with reckless abandoned without much care for systemic risk and made hundreds of millions of dollars…and them simply walked away with their loot when their companies went under.
I agree with Dave W above as well. It’s an interesting idea but with many of your ineresting ideas, it’s likely more complicated in real life (don’t get me wrong, I like your crazy ideas). Your central observation holds: In this case the NSBB provides actual economic value add just by the ability to unwind the debt. There’s also no reason why it couldn’t be a fully private institution with some caveats.
Two problems:
– Price discovery: The assets should be priced by a pseudo-reverse dutch auction. The NSBB bank puts up a fixed amount of money and the banks would bid for how low they wish to price their assets in order to be rid of them. Favors those who can support the loss and take the hit who need liquidity because they are still solvent. That’s the carrot.
– Quantum Flux: There must be no other alternative in order for anyone to participate. Right now, banks win if they can just squeak by without recognizing their undead condition. No rational bank will sell the bad debt for exactly as long as they have the option of not recognizing the loss. Ever. That’s the stick. In fact it’s the only credible stick.
Bankers never take ANY risks, only investors will, if the risk can be understood. Banks got in trouble because they hid the risk from themselves (and investors in the banks and their magic products).
The real solution is already in play via government bailout money: inflation. This may be painful, but it WILL ultimately eliminate the problem of home values being too low.
So many people learn that the “Principal is your pal” that they lump everything else as “principle”. I corrected a teacher in college in a COBOL course. So remember “Principal and Money are your Pals”.
Instead of the government considering all these different courses of actions, what if they simply did nothing? What if they pretended like nothing was wrong, and just worked on creating a “normal” budget, and didn’t plan to spend extra billions of dollars?
This is an honest question, not a rhetorical one… it just seems to me that taxpayers are going to be on the hook for an *enormous* amount of money that will be used for a plan that isn’t a sure thing. And by “plan”, I mean any plan, the government’s current plan, Cringely’s plan… My plan is the “un-plan”—its outcome is just as uncertain as anyone’s, but doesn’t put 100s of billions of taxpayer dollars as risk.
Don’t know if Robert reads these comments but if so, I want to say that I’ve only read half of the article and I already have so many responses to what he’s written that I need to stop and say my piece.
I already made mention of the culpability of government in the creation of this mess (#27 above.) Then I find this gem: government “doesn’t attach conditions. That’s not what they do.” Government attaches conditions to BREATHING!! THAT _IS_ WHAT THEY DO!
Robert, I don’t want it to sound like I’m saying “shut up and sing,” but you have a special expertise in the computing arena and that’s why I read you. In the area of politics, you seem to come pretty much from the same mass-media, ‘blame greedy capitalists first’, DNC direction that has brought us to this place, and of course the RINOs offer us little relief.
I believe we are seriously in danger of losing America’s special place in the world and the Obamists want that. Political commentary that comes from that same direction cannot improve our situation.
Ken
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I could argue that if America still has a special place in the world, China holds the mortgage. But the global currency markets argue that investors still believe in the dollar where any other currency would have collapsed so I’ll concede that point.
I take strong issue with the idea that the “Obamists” want America to fail. None of us want America to fail in any sense (except maybe Rush Limbaugh. Is that you, Rush?); we have severe and major disagreements about how to achieve success and even about what success is. Both sides of this seem to think that letting the other side pursue its agenda will result in disaster for America.
Nuts to all that! The fact that we’re in a near-disaster right now has more to do with the financial industry and the irrationality of markets than it does with Washington policy on either side. The main reason Obama got elected was because most of us are sick and tired of that attitude on both sides and he at least professed to go beyond partisanship. I’ll be the first to admit that his agenda is seeming quite a bit more “progressive” than I had expected. If he ends up pursuing the liberal agenda too far for us independents to stomach, he (and/or the democratic leadership in congress) will quickly be replaced by the next politician that can tap into the “anti-partisan” well.
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Kens response is a thoughtful and valid opinion regarding Bob’s comments. Yours is nothing but an insult, and actually portrays intolerance and insecurity.
Three comments:
Bob I have no doubt that the mortgages that they say are so hard to put back together is not as big a deal as they say.
The comment by DavidW about pretending the value of the mortgage is just what is says makes sense. But according to the mark to market rules the banks have to value an asset at what the market would buy them for. The big problem is no one wants to buy the stuff so it it’s value 0?
What happens when people who are in good standing with their mortgages refinance. Would it not make the original CMOs less valuable? If 100 mortgages are in a bundle (CMO) and 75 are good and 25 are bad. If most or all 75 good ones refinance. All that remains of the original are the 25 bad mortgages that CMO is worth a lot less. It sounds like to me the refinancing of the good mortgages is going to cause the problems with bad ones to become concentrated.
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Ever wonder why bailing out a stupid mortgage holder is a moral hazard and bailing out investment banks is business as usual?
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how am I supposed to understand this? Actually, I bet it is a pretty good idea. Hey, I hear they are hiring at Treasury. Why not give them a call, or type this whole thing into a resume and send it to them?
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Bob,
You must have been on crack when you wrote this. First you say no principal reductions, then homeowners are “forced” to refinance at a 30% principal reduction. Huh? Your whole thesis is “try something different”. What? Different does not equal smart or correct.
You know nothing about finance, or politics, or space travel, or any subject outside of microsoft vs. apple/google/ibm. It shows. You sound dumb when you write on these topics. Really dumb and uneducated.
Gentle readers, no mortgage holder is forced to refinance in the traditional sense. There simply is a principal reduction, and consequent payment reduction, AIUI. Interest rates stay the same, and there is no requirement to requalify. I doubt anyone will turn that down other than banks, and since they are broke, they don’t get to dictate.
As far as the various tranches, everyone takes the hit just as they would if the mortgage was sold. The 3% first-in-line gets the money, and the 15% last-in-line gets the shaft. But then, that’s exactly what they bought, right? Risk pays off when properly evaluated, and bites like hell when it isn’t. We deal with bankrupt institutions as needed, but at least we know who they are.
We deal with CDS by unwinding them all at the same time. CDS obligations are a zero sum game with some holders under water and some above. We can decree that settlement happens over, say 5 or 10 years, and then we’ll have a handle on who has what and deal with the bankrupt entities. At least we’ll know who they are.
All of this is better than watching Mr. Geithner flounder about for ways of delaying the inevitable.
Nice idea, assuming the NSBB can actually sell its mortgage-backed derivatives. No one has developed a new formula to evaluate the risk of these instruments in the place of the old formula that turned out not to work real well when home prices started falling.
And of course, the greed-heads in the financial industry want returns for their shareholders and they want them ASAP, so they’ll be against it.
The financial industry is reminding me a lot of the media industry (RIAA, MPAA, etc.): they’ve lived high on the hog for years with their comfortable business model and then they got hit with a paradigm shift. And they’re fighting tooth and nail to preserve the old way of doing business.
It sounds reasonable, but I have reservations.
Selling these CMO’s and reassembling them isn’t the only tangle with the Bad Bank. There are some number of derivatives that are based on the value of the CMOs. These take the form of CDOs and other financial instruments. Writing down the CMO forces a write-down of the CDO, and somebody is on the losing end of that. The write-downs on both the CDOs and the CMOs amount to a default, this increases the paper risk of the assets, this leads to a decreased credit rating, which in turn increases the size of collateral calls. So this write down actually ends up putting everyone deeper in debt. Now it is true, the real risk doesn’t actually increase because the banks weren’t going to be able to pay up in the first place, but the collateral calls that are written into the contracts for these financial instruments are triggered only on the technical evaluation of risk.**
So the real problem for the government isn’t pricing the assets, it is getting the companies to do a write down, that could be tantamount to corporate suicide. The companies know damn well what their assets are worth. They also know that their public balance sheets don’t accurately reflect that worth.(even *with* the current mark-to-market accounted, seriously devalued assets). So what the government is doing is pumping money into the companies until the real balance sheet and the pretend balance sheet have the same balance. Then the asset purchases will be feasible without creating a bunch of bankrupt banks.
**Note that this sort of CDO death spiral is exactly what killed Bear Stearns. They built all these clever financial instruments that locked them into a positive feedback loop. Unfortunately, the fact that the feedback was positive, did not mean the profit needed to be.
Strange how some people are fixated on the drop of home values but fail to mention the insane appreciation rates which caused them to become overvalued in the first place and led to inevitable declines and eventually the mess we are in now.
It’s time we cut our loses, suck it up for awhile and move on.
Have you submitted this to the White House or someone in Congress who could evaluate it and maybe put it into action?
I’m no economist, but it seems like a solid idea. It’d be a shame to let it go unheard by those who could do something about it.
The biggest factor impeding this or any other non-traditional solution may just be cultural. The finance community may not be able to comprehend a new way. The executive bonuses, for example, were so ingrained that it was a complete shock that people would perceive a bonus for poor performance to be unjust.
Rather than being afraid that such folks might leave (where would they go?), fire them and replace them with new ideas, or if they had promise, keep them at a lower salary and pay-for-performance.
Your idea may be the basis of something good – I don’t know – but it needs to be examined by experts who can deal with new methods. If they have an existing undisclosed contract, they are suspect.
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IF EVER Bob’s plan is adopted, there will be surprises:
(1) Some CMO mortgages are “phantom” (non-existent)
(2) The government discovered that the counter-parties to most of CDS are the same “too big to fail” banks/insurers. All it takes to clear this mess without the huge bailouts is for the Treasury to just conduct a clearing house exercise to find out who-owes-who-how-much and then decide on the quantum due to the winners & whether or not the big losers will be saved or forced to close shop. We are quite certain that in this process of “contra”, many illegal acts amongst the CDS participants will surface. Maybe the fines imposed upon them for their shenanigans will be enough to offset considerably the amounts due to the CDS bingo winners. The US tax payers (their children & grand children) are saved from carrying an unnecessary financial legacy.
If CMO’s were really too complicated to dissect/reassemble/whatever, then they should have been illegal in the first place. Same for any other derivative. If you have laws that require this kind of vetting process for derivatives, then the BS excuses of “too complicated” disappear 100%, saving us all a vast amount of time, energy, litigation, and money..
This makes a ton of sense. How about we do it privately and we make the money. We could approach the homeowners on the tranch and refinance their loan. Since CMOs are selling for less than one penny on the dollar, there is plenty of margin to offer some good relief to homeowners, making housing more affordable, increasing disposable income for families and circulating more money back into the economy.
If we only had the funds to invest.
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