Bentonville stands in the northwest corner of Arkansas only a few miles from Missouri, Kansas and Oklahoma. It is a little city in the Ozarks with a fine town square where once there stood a Ben Franklin variety store owned by Sam Walton. Today, that store on the square is a museum, and Bentonville is the headquarters of Wal-Mart, not just the biggest retailer in the world, the biggest COMPANY in the world. There is nothing fancy about Wal-Mart, and that certainly applies to its corporate headquarters, a nondescript brick building where every day suppliers from around the world come to peddle their wares. The place where would-be suppliers meet Wal-Mart buyers looks like an old Quonset hut from World War II. The hut is filled with folding chairs and metal tables where the meetings are held. This, with no exceptions, is how business is done, and that Quonset hut explains exactly why Wal-Mart is bigger than all its competitors and strikes fear in smaller retailers the world over.
Wal-Mart is a pure example of keeping transaction costs low as exemplified by the modest global HQ and the Quonset hut meetings with suppliers. But it’s what goes on during those supplier meetings that is even more important, because Wal-Mart buyers are notorious for demanding product design and packaging changes from suppliers — changes that are usually more intended to lower costs than to increase customer appeal. As long as Wal-Mart buys more from a supplier than any of its competitors does, Wal-Mart will get the best prices, which can be converted into the most sales, the most profits or the highest market share, depending on what Wal-Mart values at that time. So if you can keep transaction costs down, bigger is better, way better. Since the playing field is never truly level for this reason, Wal-Mart will always have an advantage, and small town retailers will always be threatened. There is nothing illegal about this, either. There is nothing illegal about being big.
Which brings us to this week’s surprise announcement that Steve Jobs would not be giving the Apple keynote at MacWorld next month. And in fact Apple won’t be participating in future MacWorld shows AT ALL. Isn’t this a trend? As I recall Apple pulled out of European MacWorld events years ago. They see the future of product introductions generally done online and at Apple HQ and they don’t care at all about third-party vendors.
But given that Apple is contractually obligated to participate in one final January show, why isn’t Steve Jobs doing the honors? It isn’t because of his health. I blame Wal-Mart.
A reader from Arizona just reported to be seeing an iPhone sales display being unpacked in the back room at his local Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart is going to start selling iPhones after Christmas.
Now this is just a guess, but if Wal-Mart is about to start selling iPhones, then given the nature of their vendor relations typified by that quonset hut, they’ll demand Steve Jobs come to them – perhaps even to Bentonville – for whatever iPhone launch event Wal-Mart plans.
Steve paces himself. There is no way he’ll do two product intros in one month. And I doubt Wal-Mart would allow him to in any case.
We’ll just have to see what happens.
Hey there Bob,
Interesting theory.
Love the new web site.
Hope all is well.
Glad to see that there is life after pbs.
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Bloom
Macworld not MacWorld. Bob should know better.
I don’t see Steve Jobs showing up in any walmart anytime soon…
Interesting angle. There was talk of Walmart getting a special 4GB iPhone too.
To heck with Macworld — who is the woman in the red hat?
As to the article, I’m taking it as satire.
Any truth to the rumors about Steve’s HEALTH?
Besides, I don’t think people care that much about Jobs any more. I have heard students opining it would be cool to meet the two actors playing “Mac” and “PC” in the commercials. I think most of Steve’s buyers wouldn’t know Steve if he sat down next to them. Based on my limited and biased sample, I would guess that investors like Steve and his actual customer demographic wouldn’t recognize him.
Finally, a reasonable explanation of it all. Valley Wag’s theory (and its evidence) was laughable.
Well done Bob.
I imagine the average Joe is more concerned by WallMart than Macword. Only fanatics as me may be affected.
Apple will focus on nothing else than a mass market approach.
Happy to read you again.
I like the RSS feeds. Great work.
Bill
It’s a nice new site. Please increase the leading on the font — it would improve readability a lot.
i did
I’m lazy and illiterate… where’s the audio edition? I loved that.
Interesting theory. I wonder if Apple will lose any of it’s iconic status by having the flagship product sold at a retailer that has a reputation for being a golablistic monster and appealing to the lowest common denominator
Bob:
I think this announcement stands on its own merits. Apple has a habit of abandoning things before everyone thinks they are dead (e.g., the floppy drive).
Trade shows are a pretty anachronistic (and expensive) means of reaching customers. I don’t see Jobs et al abandoning Macworld because they have a Walmart announcement.
Love the new site and glad for RSS thanks!
Apple doesn’t kowtow to Wal-Mart; it’s the other way around. No way would Jobs ever allow the Apple stores to be undercut by a competitor. Did you see special editions of the iPod appear when Wal-Mart started carrying the line? Of course not. Wal-Mart is above all pragmatic: they are not going to let a product whose name is almost synonymous with a category only grace the shelves of a competitor. So they will suck up their pride and offer the iPhone at the SRP, maybe a dollar less so they can technically be “the low-price leader.” If any special deal is announced, then you know Steve Jobs is CEO in name only.
I think the answer is very simple: IDG has become too much of a demanding whiner. When costs exceed rewards (and I am including the cost of rushing a product to market to meet the presentation deadline — I’m looking at you, MobileMe) you simply get out. It’s a lesson the rest of the industry should learn.
Next to go will be the WWDC presentations; if anything new is introduced at the WWDC, it’ll be under strict NDA.
Steve Jobs going to Bentonville? Are you joking.
Wal-Mart is the opposite of Apple. Steve might use them to move product, but he will not not not cozy up to them.
Why does Apple have to sell to Walmart? (I find Walmart to be one of the ten most evil US companies and I’m hardly the only one.)
And Off-Topic: Why must the iPhone also be an iPod? What if I don’t want my phone to be my music server/Discman? Why hasn’t Apple put out a cheaper one minus this “feature”?
Bob, are you going to produce a podcast version of the blog? I actually prefer to listen to you than read you — though I will read if I can’t get my audible Cringely fix.
@Jack Everitt
“Why must the iPhone also be an iPod? What if I don’t want my phone to be my music server/Discman? Why hasn’t Apple put out a cheaper one minus this “feature”?”
As long as there is an iPhone that has a built-in iPod feature, there is ZERO reason for Apple to release a “cheaper” model without it. There’s no cost savings to them, since the software is going to be worked on anyway. In fact, it would cost Apple MORE in development to have a model with a different set of software, since that doubles the amount of testing required. Plus they’d need to make sure that the model without the iPod function gracefully handled possible interactions of other software that expects the iPod software to be there.
Plus, iPhones without the iPod function wouldn’t be markets for the sales of content through the iTunes Store.
So why should Apple spend more money just to offer a model that will bring them less revenue? Higher sales volume? Extremely doubtful.
Popular “wisdom” often contends that removing features, or using previous generations of technology, will reduce the cost or price of a product. That actually turns out to rarely be the case, and is only the wisdom of those who do not have the background to speak it.
Why the angst against Wal-Mart? They are an excellent company and treat their associates better than most in the discount retail space. The Walton family are huge Apple fans, so relax will you?
The iPhone at Wal-Mart makes perfect sense, everybody wins that way… but it has zero to do with why Steve will be a no show at Macworld.
Ted said:
Why the angst against Wal-Mart? They are an excellent company and treat their associates better than most in the discount retail space. The Walton family are huge Apple fans, so relax will you?
And just exactly what do you base this statement on? I worked for Walmart in the
mid 1980s…the absolute worst job of my career. Treatment of “associates”??? Oh yeah…
that’s why Walmart is being sued in countless courts for labor violations…and settling
those suits in hundreds of millions of dollars, though exact numbers cannot be released.
“The Walton family” should not be confused with “Walton’s Mountain”!!
Is that photo Taken in the bathroom of your place in SC? Or perhaps a hotel room?
I could see wallyworld honchos going to Steve to be told how iPhones will be sold in their stores but, certainly, not the other way round. It will be interesting to read what happens and how if you can get a line on it, Bob.
As for the anti-walmart snobbery, in this economy and with mounting medical bills for a very ill family member, I am not ashamed to say I shop for groceries at walmart.
Hi Bob,
Will you still continue the netcasts or what that a PBS thing? I really enjoyed them.
Regards
Mike
If anyone in Silicon Valley actually ever visited a Walmart they would know that Apple has been selling IPOD’s there for several years. They were introduced a year or so after the CE and Apple Store channel launch of the Nano I believe.
If the rumors are true about a 4GB I-Phone, it would represent only a replication of previous channel segmentation and launch plans used with the IPOD.
Reading more into it about Walmart’s newly established domination of Mac-dom is simply skylarking.
What will happen next. Will Steve become a greeter at the Wal-Mart in Cupertino?
The thought of Steve Jobs doing an unveiling at a Walmart is… scary? Creepy? I can’t put my finger on the word. It definitely makes me nauseous.
As Steve Jobs said in a film you might be familiar with called “Triumph of the Nerds”
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Steve Jobs: The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste, they have absolutely no taste, and what that means is — I don’t mean that in a small way I mean that in a big way. In the sense that they don’t think of original ideas and they don’t bring much culture into their products. And you say why is that important — well you know proportionally spaced fonts come from type setting and beautiful books, that’s where one gets the idea — if it weren’t for the Mac they would never have that in their products and so I guess I am saddened, not by Microsoft’s success — I have no problem with their success, they’ve earned their success for the most part. I have a problem with the fact that they just make really third rate products.
—–
This lack of taste is epitomized by WalMart, a corporation where taste is an evil word with its implications of elitism.
I see Steve doing this deal with reluctance, and driven by the stock not by his wants. The association will be a tentative one at best, and I can’t see Steve showing up at WalMart anytime soon.
I remember meeting THE Sam Walton exactly three times. Each time, he was in town, visiting local stores. He drove the plainest, vanilla rental (usually either Enterprise or Rent-a-Wreck), nothing ostentatious or fake about him, very affable fellow. Nothing about him suggested he was worth about sixty billion dollars. He wasn’t frugal to a fault but frugal where it counts.
I wonder if Steve Jobs is hedging bets. If iPods (and other Apple products) do well enough at Walmart* and other retailers, would he sell off or shut down the brick and mortar Apple stores? Not in the immediate future, but somewhere down the line, say, in two to three years, if economy continues to drag. If brick and mortar stores start underperforming and become a liabilty, better to close ’em down (and move the genius bar to the Apple display at Walmart* or make it a telephone or online support operation).
Kevin said
I remember meeting THE Sam Walton exactly three times. Each time, he was in town, visiting local stores. He drove the plainest, vanilla rental (usually either Enterprise or Rent-a-Wreck), nothing ostentatious or fake about him, very affable fellow. Nothing about him suggested he was worth about sixty billion dollars. He wasn’t frugal to a fault but frugal where it counts.
Oh for crying out loud! YOU SWALLOWED IT HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER! Sheesh…
I hope Sam Walton is burning in everlasting hell-fire…the fraud would not drive your plain
vanilla rental, dipstick! He flew into town in one of his Lear jets, many times would have his
old 1954 Ford pickup truck brought in just outside town, to drive in and show the morons
he was “just an average Joe Public”…you idiot!
Quick with the insults and fire.Wash your mouth out with soap. And learn to read comprehensively,too.
I didn’t say Sam Walton didn’t drive his beat up piece of crap pick up truck, that barely got around town in Bentonville. And I didn’t say he didn’t fly into town either. He and his execs stayed in economy or modest business class hotels, shared rooms, drove cheap rentals.They sure as hell didn’t Lear Jet into Dallas as I picked a few up from Southwest terminal at Love Field once.The team were not into ostentatiousness (which is more than I can say for the grown up children).
I’m sorry you hate Walmart and Sam Walton.But he won’t burn in hell, as there is no hell, so he’s just dead and no longer in a position to feel pain or care how you or anyone thinks. You’ll have to learn how to resolve your anger another way Glenn. Have you tried building Apple I kits?
@Lun Essex
I haven’t purchased an iPhone yet, because AT&T service is not good enough. So I have compromised. I bought an iTouch, a thirty dollar headset/mic and loaded up Skype from app store. Only drawback for me is the inability to dial 911 ( since I use it locally, I keep local emergency numbers handy) and the headset/mic is slightly dorky, but it does the job for two grand less than an AT&T contract, get all my iPod features AND iPhone features I want for less. So I salute Randal Stephenson’s terms of service with one finger and prosper. Of course, if the app store kills Skype and Skype clones, then that’s another story.
I feel so much better now. It’s Friday and I have found new writings from Bob!! 🙂
Absolutely no way Apple gets rid of their stores! They are *highly* successful in both retail terms ($/sq. ft.) and branding terms.
Hi Bob & Lovely Lady,
Welcome and we’re so glad you are back online where you belong >>> your very own domain.
As to Wal*Mart selling iPhones post Xmas, the real question is not “Why?” it is “Why Not!”. I have some lowly opinion to share so let me enumerate:
1. The Apple Stores, however nice and cozy they are, are not sufficient to drive the predicted upswing in unit shares in the next 2 years. There are lots more stuff in them boutiques than iPhones folks, okay?
2. Target, Best Buy, and recently Radio Shack, yes venerable Radio Shack now carry the iPod line and iTouch. Why not Wal*Mart? Is there some rule in the Jobs rule book to discriminate “the biggest retailer/company in the world”? Wal*Mart needs the iPhone/iPod/Mac lines to further its growth and improve its image to more upscale shoppers – Target’s customers. And yes, W*M needs the iPod/iPhone/Mac to improve its high-tech creds to better compete with Best Buy.
3. The iPhone/iPod/Macs’ share of their respective markets are about to explode, at the expense of MS-based PCs, and Steve knows this full well. If Apple’s relationship with W*M becomes mutually productive and very profitable then all the better.
4. Apple’s predicted growth swing in the next 2 years will not come from the established user base (you and me) but rather from the ordinary, generic consumers. These are the people that fill those W*M Supercenters around the U.S., UK, Canada, and Latin America. Apple needs W*M to reach those demographics, W*M needs Apple to drive growth and image – simple.
Like it or not, the Mac and its ilks, the iPod and iPhone, will become ubiquitous and like most things that reach this level of acceptance becomes a commodity. This happened to what we know best – the MS Windows PC. The rumoured distribution deal with W*M is just another step in that direction.
So, enjoy being elites – the coolest nerds on the block. I know Bob is one with that beautiful lady. I am and have been since the Mac II days of ‘020 glory. No, I am not that old. I was only 12 at that time.
The age of the Macintosh is finally dawning upon us – the true faithful.
-Robo
Good Grief Bob,
You of all people should know, Steve expects people to kiss his feat. Never the other way around (NBC). In a Walmart deal, somebody had to kiss Steve’s ring. I used to work for a guy who could not sleep at night until he was satisfied that he was screwing someone over. Once you’ve lived around a mind like that you understand the mindset. Walmart will get (at best) token favoritism. Jobs will make sure they sweat.
Well, I would ordinarily say no way, then again, I figure the only thing Steve values more than his image would be the amount of money this could represent. What better ego builder than the largest mobile phone seller in the world.
I understand is hard for some long time Mac ownders who saw themelves as the BMW of the computer set (me included) …. but, hey times have changed.
When Apple moved into the iPod/iPhone space they left the “boutique computer” space and entered the large volume consumer electronics space. Oh sure very cool electronics, but not exclusive by any means. Music for the masses.
Where is the downside in one of the most successful CEOs meeting with the most successful retailer? I’d say none.
Hi Bob and lovely lady,
I was half expecting to see you holding a keyboard from the old Mac Plus era, this one looks like a regular PC model having nothing to do with mac’s at all.
Great to see you have taken up your own residence, I have been wishing for this for some time to allow more of your own style to show. Also a comfort to see you have not given up on us poor readers – I was in a plight to know where to turn for my tech reading fix. Just one question – now that you are no longer getting paid for articles from PBS, where are the revenue streams for this site? If we want to support your work how do we do it? (make a donation button, adsense, subscription, crazy new Bob idea that we all needed to know but did not.)
If we are really entering a new era of ‘Mobile’ then there are currently only two names that come to mind in that space – iPhone and Android. Who is the third going to be?
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Seriously, don’t you think you need some advertising on your blog? A link to your (or any related) products being sold on Amazon?
Last Christmas my mailbox was stuffed with ipod ads from all the usual electronics stores, target and even a hardware store. It seems like everyone wants to get on the bandwagon of a hot seller. Why not walmart as well? It’s the same as a few years back when everyone decided they had to sell flat panel TVs.
The real question is what will Apple do with $24 billion in cash? Microsoft has “only” $19 billion, yet somehow we are obsessed with only their acquisition rumors. The growth curves have changed. Small form factor and open source are “in”. Microsoft’s bread and butter — replacing PCs every 3 years — is dead. (I know for a fact that even Microsoft doesn’t do that any more). In a recession, IT spending gets slashed and PC’s/servers are used until they die. Consumers cut back too, but most can’t resist splurging on the cool gift or status symbol… especially if it’s only a few hundred dollars.
I think the 2009 bombshell is an Apple strategic acquisition. I don’t think they compete directly with MS office, as Bob predicts. Maybe Jobs decides it’s time to ready his new platform for the corporate or medical spaces. The sky’s the limit when you get a cut of every application sold by any developer. The Obama health plan will feature electronic record keeping and billing. Imagine an iphone/handheld that becomes the wireless client for every nurse and doctor. First the platform would need a secure server back end.
I really wonder what IDG did to piss off Apple.
When you get down to it, how can Macworld be bad for Apple? Since Steve started giving his keynote, the event has helped Apple immensely by being a gigantic publicity event. How many other companies can get a product announcement like that released where it totally dominates the world press? Why would you willingly give that up? My guess is that something better is planned where Apple will have full control. I have a great idea for a show like that. Who do I talk to?
Selling the iPhone at Wal-Mart is a fantastic move for Apple and for AT&T. It expands the presence of both brands at the world’s biggest retailer, which already carries the iPod and builds on the success of selling the iPhone at Best Buy.
I doubt Apple will ever close it’s stores because they sell a lot of merchandise and it’s the only place in the world that lets Apple sell it’s products the way they want to sell their products. There was a time when Apple had no retail stores and it’s product sales were at the whim of store buyers, which is why Apple started opening the Apple stores. Everyone thought Apple would fail in that venture like Dell and Gateway did with their stores. I think there is very little chance Apple would willingly give up their product sales safety blanket.
IF the Android platform from Google is about to arrive in a big way in 2009, Jobs needs the likes of WalMart to get mass adoption of the 3G iPhone fast! WalMart could do that for him.
Also, we iPhone users really need some of the annoying quirks in the phone fixed a.s.a.p.; sideways keyboard available in e-mail and many other programs, calendar alerts fixed (selectible sound, with snooze and approx. 2-minutes beep if alert left unattended), a “dock” for running programs, so that if you wish to keep one program open and use a different one, you can always go back to the first one, fix unwieldy calendar entry and make entry of most items on one or two screens – not (4 to 5). (Just a few of my beefs) Great phone otherwise!
Steve is not speaking at Bentonville to shill the phone. I think he has a bigger idea he’s preparing to foist on the world and I’m sure it has to do digital television and video delivery.
I agree that Walmart & Apple pretty much are on the same level, in that neither one is going to kneel before the other. And, yes, a relationship could be mutually beneficial. Something else to consider is that if Apple wants to maintain more control over their brand experience, they could even lease space to place miniature Apple Stores inside WM Supercenters. Many other businesses, such as salons, photo studios, and health clinics are now leasing space in this way.
It’s already been mentioned in the press that Walmart intends to set up an in-store service center powered by and/or featuring Dell products, so perhaps they want to capture what will soon be the other mass market computer/device maker, Apple.
Also, my “pie in the sky” idea for all that cash Apple has on hand is this: Apple should either buy their own slice of 3G wireless spectrum, or enter a long term lease deal with an operator like Clear, who would probably welcome the cash infusion. This would allow them to finally cut AT&T out of the picture and capture 100% of the monthly revenue from each customer. Plus it would probably be relatively cheap to build in a WiMax chip into any/all future Apple products (even desktops). Then Apple could offer wireless data on a price competitive basis with Comcast, AT&T, etc landline data providers. They might even allow large iTunes purchases to be downloaded over the WiMax network even for those who do not subscribe to a data plan. This would be a fantastic way to get around the caps that Comcast and others plan to or have implemented. Ultimately, if Apple can offer unencrypted iTunes files in more cases, they might even try to use some distributed mechanism such as BitTorrent over the WiMax, allowing even more load to be taken off of Apple’s own network & servers.
After this morning’s Macworld announcements and being a little disappointed that most of what we got were new versions of iLife and iWork, I wonder if this might be another clue to why Apple is pulling out.
I think Bob mentioned elsewhere that Apple would like to control their press more and not put so much stock in Macworld. Along those lines, I wonder if Apple’s partners try to use Macworld to leverage their bargaining. Before the conference someone leaks a tidbit about Apple having this or that with the hope that in order to announce it at Macworld, Apple will agree to the terms being offered. I realize this is probably Negotiations 101, but it was a slightly different angle on Apple pulling out of Macworld
Well, looks like Steve Jobs decision to forgo MacWorld may have been health related after all. As I said over at The Pulpit on the old PBS site, my prediction for 2009 was that Steve Jobs would not be CEO of Apple come 2010. Looks like I was (unfortunately) correct, and much sooner than I expected. And again (as I said in my comment at The Pulpit), Steve Jobs is Apple. Without him, they go back to wandering in the wilderness. Not all at once mind you. But slowly. Very S-L-O-W-L-Y.
Hormone imbalance? That hormone would be insulin. This is a very serious condition (related to the pancreatic cancer) and I’m not sure that the long term prognosis for even someone who has their own personal reality distortion field is very good. Best of luck to Steve Jobs (whose only huge mistake at Apple has been to be a hardware company. Had Jobs licensed the Mac OS back in the day, the positions that Apple and Microsoft find themselves in today would likely be reversed.)
i was starting to feel i might probably end up being the sole human being whom thought about this, at the least at present i learn i’m not outlandish 🙂 i am going to make it a point to pay a visit to a couple of additional threads soon after i get my morning caffeine in me, it is actually not easy to read with out my coffee, I was really late last evening practicing facebook poker and after drinking a few ales i wound up giving up all my zynga poker chips adios for now 🙂
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