I promised a follow-up to my post from last week about IBM’s massive layoffs and here it is. My goal is first to give a few more details of the layoff primarily gleaned from many copies of their separation documents sent to me by laid-off IBMers, but mainly I’m here to explain the literal impossibility of Big Blue’s self-described “transformation” that’s currently in process. My point is not that transformations can’t happen, but that IBM didn’t transform the parts it should and now it’s probably too late.
First let’s take a look at the separation docs. Whether you give a damn about IBM or not, if you work for a big company this is worth reading because it may well become an archetype for getting rid of employees. What follows is my summary based on having the actual docs reviewed by several lawyers.
IBM employees waive the right to sue the company. The company retains the right indefinitely to sue the employee. IBM employees waive the right to any additional settlement. Even if IBM is found at fault, in violation of EEOC rules, etc., employees will not get any more money. The agreement is written in a way that dictates how matters like this will be determined in arbitration.
There is no mention of unemployment claims. Eligibility for unemployment compensation is determined and managed by each state. Each state has rules on who is qualified, the terms and conditions, etc.. Some companies in some states have been known to report terminations in a way that disqualifies workers, thus saving the company money on unemployment insurance premiums. Some states have appeal processes. In others you may have to appeal the response with your former employer, which is of course the same bunch who just denied you (good luck with that). IBM is being very opaque here about their process. Maybe they are hoping former IBMers won’t even think to apply for unemployment benefits. But if IBM takes a hardline position, the arbitration process and legal measures required would probably discourage many former employees from even trying. The question left unanswered then is how many of these folks will be able to receive their full 99 weeks of benefits?
The only way for employees to get more money or a better settlement is for their state or the federal government to sue IBM. In a settlement with a government, IBM could be made to pay its RA’d employees more.
There’s a final point that is being handled in different ways depending on the IBM manager doing the firing. It appears managers are being strongly urged to have their laid-off employees take their accrued vacation time prior to their separation date. Some managers are saying this is mandatory and some are not. From a legal standpoint it’s a bit vague, too. Are they legally allowed to MAKE employees use their vacation time before separation? According to the lawyers I consulted, that depends on each person’s situation. If they have no work to do, then they may be required to use their vacation. If they are busy with work, then IBM can’t make them eat it. The distinction is important because IBM has been so busy in the past denying employees their vacation time that what’s accrued is in many cases more time than the puny 30 day severance.
To put this vacation pay issue in context, say you are a recently RA’d IBMer given three month’s notice, a month’s severance pay, and you have four weeks of accrued vacation time. If you are forced to take that vacation during the three months before your separation date, well that’s four weeks less total pay. If the current layoff is around 20,000 people as I imagine, that could be 20,000 months, 1,667 man-years and close to $200 million in savings for IBM based on average employee compensation.
I wonder who got a bonus for thinking-up that one?
What if laid-off IBMers don’t sign, what happens then? They retain the right to sue but lose their jobs without any of the separation benefits.
Another question that arises from my contact with IBMers who have been laid-off is whether there is age discrimination in effect here. Of the laid-off (not retiring — this is key) IBMers who have contacted me so far, 80 percent are over 60 and 90 percent are over 55. Now that could say more about my readers than about IBM’s employees, but if the demographics of the current IBM layoff differ greatly from the company’s overall labor profile that could suggest age discrimination.
I’m thinking of doing an online survey to help find out. Is that something you, as readers, think I should do?
Now what’s the impact of all this on the company? There’s anger of course and that extends to almost every office of every business unit since the layoffs are so broad and deep. Employees are so angry and demoralized that some are supposedly doing a sloppy job. I have no way of knowing whether this is true, but do you want one of those zombie employees (ones being fired in 90 days) writing code for your mission-critical IBM applications?
But wait, there’s more! At least the workers being laid-off have some closure. Some of the ones not picked this time are even more demoralized and angry because they have to stay and probably become part of some subsequent firing that will offer zero weeks severance, not four weeks. One reader’s manager actually told them that they were fortunate to be picked this time for exactly that reason.
All this turmoil hasn’t gone down without an effect on IBM managers, either, many of whom see their own heads on some future chopping block. I have been told there are many managers trying to justify their existence by bombarding their remaining employees with email newsletters and emails with links to “read more on my blog.” Readers report being swamped with so many of these it’s hurting productivity. Not to mention they are being asked to violate the company security policy by clicking on the email link — an offense that could lead to termination.
Remember this is all happening in the name of IBM’s “transformation.”
What about that transformation, how is that going and — for that matter — what does it even mean?
Having read all the IBM press releases about the current transformation, listened to all the IBM earnings conference calls about it, and talked about it to hundreds of IBMers, it appears to me that this is not a corporate transformation at all but a product transformation. Every announcement is about a shift in what IBM is going to be selling. Whole divisions are being sold, product lines condensed and renamed but it’s all in the name of sales. That is not corporate transformation.
Maybe the belief is that IBM as a corporation doesn’t need to be transformed, that it’s a well-oiled money machine that just needs a better product mix to regain its mojo. Alas, that is not the case.
Last week I presented but then didn’t refer to an illustration of the generally-accepted corporate life cycle. Here it is again:
And here’s a slightly different illustration covering the same process:
It’s the rebirth section I’d like you to think about because this is what Ginni Rometty’s IBM is trying to do. They want to create that ski jump from new technologies and use it to take the company to new heights. Ginni the Eagle. Our challenge here is to decide whether that’s possible.
If we accept that this second chart is the ideal course for a mature business, when is the best stage for building the ski jump and where does IBM fit today on that curve? It’s not at all obvious that the best place to jump from is the start of decline as presented. Many business pundits suggest that the place to start is early in the maturity phase (Prime in the earlier chart), before the company has peaked. IBM certainly missed that one, so let’s accept that early decline (between Stability and Aristocracy) is okay. But is IBM in early decline or late decline, are they in Aristocracy, Recrimination or even Bureaucracy? I’d argue the latter. IBM today has 13 layers of management, four layers of which were added by Ginni Rometty’s predecessor, Sam Palmisano. I don’t want to be too hardcore, but 13 layers is too many for any successful company. That alone tags IBM as being in late bureaucracy, rather like the Ottoman Empire around 1911. So by this measure IBM is probably too far along in its dotage to avoid dying or being acquired.
It’s important to note that despite a very large number of executive retirements (a different/better pension plan?) none of the IBM transformation news has so far involved simplifying the corporate structure. No eliminating whole management levels or, for that matter, reducing management at all.
This is not to say IBM can’t learn from its mistakes, it’s just they don’t always learn as much as they should or sometimes even learn the wrong lessons. We’ve seen some of this before. In the late 80’s and early 90’s when John Akers was CEO IBM’s business was changing, sales were dropping, and the leadership at the time was slow to cut costs. Instead they increased prices which further hurt sales and accelerated the loss of business. It was a death spiral that eventually led to desperate times, Akers’ demise, and the arrival of IBM’s first outsider CEO, Lou Gerstner from American Express. The lesson IBM learned from that was to put through massive cost cuts AHEAD of the business decline. Which of course today is again accelerating their loss of business.
In both the early 1990s and today IBM has shown it really doesn’t understand the value of its people. Before Gerstner people = billable hours = lots of revenue. Little or no effort was expended to improve efficiency, productivity, to automate, etc. The more labor-intensive it was to do something, the better. This changed somewhat with Sam Palmisano, who refined the calculation to people = cost = something expendable that can be cut. In most companies with efficient and effective processes they can withstand serious cuts and continue to operate well. IBM’s processes are not efficient and the staff cuts are debilitating.
In both cases IBM needed to transform its business — an area where IBM’s skills are quite poor. It takes IBM a ridiculous amount of time to make a decision and act on it. While most of today’s CAMSS is a sound plan for future products and services, IBM is at least 5-10 years late bringing them to market. While most of the world has learned to develop new products and services and bring them to market faster (Internet time). IBM still moves at its historic glacial pace.
This slow pace of management is not just because there are so many layers but also because there is so much secrecy. IBM does not let most employees — even managers — manage or even see their own budget. IBM does not let them see the real business plan, either. Most business decisions are made at the senior level where the decision makers can’t help but be out of touch with both the market and their employees. How can anyone get anything done when senior executives must approve everything?
So if you can’t make quick decisions about much of anything, how do you transform your product lines? Well at IBM you either acquire products (that’s an investment, remember, rather than an expense and therefore not chargeable against earnings) or you take your old products and simply rename them.
IBM is a SALES company run by salespeople. It takes brains and effort to improve a product or create a new one. However if you can take an old product, rename it, and sell it as something new then no brains or effort are needed.
IBM products change names every few years. A few years ago several product lines became Pure. One of these Pure products was a family of Intel servers with some useful extra stuff. When they sold the X-Series business what happened to the Pure products? Nobody appears to know. Pure was just a word and no one was really managing the brand. It was up to each business unit to figure out what to do with their Pure products. Could IBM sell Pure servers? Did they even still make Pure servers? I still don’t know.
Remember On-Demand and Smarter-Planet? Marketing brain farts. New products do not magically appear with each new campaign. It is mostly rebranding of existing products and services.
IBM is now renaming its middleware software stack, for example. Everything has Connect in it now, but it’s lipstick on a pig. They are about to do a major sales push on this stuff to unwitting customers:
API Connect — really the V5 version of the hastily built, feature-lacking, bug-laden API Management product, except with Strongloop stuff crammed in for the build and deploy aspects — bolted-on stuff that isn’t really integrated.
App Connect — SaaS bundling of Cast Iron and DataWorks I believe, relabeled, crammed together.
App Integration Suite — On-premises (no cloud?) bundling of IBM Integration Bus (formerly WebSphere Message Broker, formerly other names) with API Connect and one or two other things.
WebSphere Connect — WebSphere Application Server with a new name.
Z/OS Connect — Who knows?
They took the mobile product stack out of the cloud area and put it back in middleware, so that’s getting crammed into other stuff too, probably some of the above. Sales reps are being threatened with firing if they don’t meet their quotas this quarter or next so they will be pushing customers hard. None of this new software is well-tested of course.
CAMSS isn’t really new, either, according to one departing IBMer: “Most of the IBM CAMSS products have become a hodge-podge of bolted on code from acquisitions, and we all know how that goes. The products are unstable, bug-laden, feature multiple different administrative UIs (from the bolted-on stuff), don’t scale well if at all, are hard to administer, etc. The SaaS apps that have been shoe-horned into the cloud are badly broken and stripped of major features just to say they are ‘there in the cloud.’”
IBM may be hiring a lot of people for its new CAMSS lines of business. But in a few years when the services death spiral is complete IBM will be mainly dependent on CAMSS to make money. If CAMSS can not pick up the slack the same people = cost = something expendable that can be cut mindset will kick in. Many of those hired to build CAMSS will be cut and those businesses will begin to founder, too.
IBM’s weakness is obvious to competitors who are swooping in. Microsoft, for example, is porting SQL Server to Linux. The functionality is comparable to Oracle or DB2 and cost savings is significant. This is a brilliant and bold move by Satya Nadella that would never have even occurred to Steve Ballmer or Bill Gates. For one thing it will force Oracle to become more competitive, lower their prices, and lighten up on their licensing. When Oracle cuts prices IBM cuts prices. It could be a death blow to DB2 and cause collateral damage to many IBM software products.
Even IBM Analytics aren’t what they seem. In many ways IBM’s analytics business is very much like the early days of computing. You buy the hardware, software, and tools or get them from a cloud service. Many parts are commercial, licensed products so they’re going to cost you some money. You hire an IBM expert to adapt it to your business and write the code needed to get it to solve your problems. IBM makes money on hardware, software, and billable hours. IBM is not breaking a lot of new ground in this field (don’t get me started on Watson — it’s even worse). Google, Yahoo, and Facebook pioneered the current generation of big data technology. Many startups have developed tools that can process the data managed by these technologies.
Analytics is a field where academia and open source are competing with commercial efforts. IBM has many very smart data scientists working in the analytics business and they’re doing many interesting things. But then so has the rest of the world. Two leading commercial statistical analysis packages are SAS and SPSS. Both have been on the market since the 1970’s. Both are very good, mature, and cost money to use. SPSS was purchased by IBM a few years ago. Academia is historically cash tight and finds creative ways to do things without spending lots of money. One of the products of that effort is R, an Open Source statistical analysis tool that competes with both SAS and SPSS. Microsoft recently bought one of the companies that productized R. Can you see where this is going?
What’s left for IBM? Patents. IBM is becoming a patent troll with an army of people dreaming up technology ideas and patenting them not to develop products but to demand royalties from other companies developing products. Mobile and Social could be mostly a patent troll, designed primarily for IBM to profit off of the work of others. Their patent portfolio may be the only thing of enduring value in IBM. Just a few days ago IBM went after Groupon. IBM will be jumping on more and more companies in the USA who are trying to develop new products. Innovation could end up going to countries beyond the reach of the IBM legal department. Now there’s an unexpected side-effect.
The lesson in all this — a lesson certainly lost on Ginni Rometty and on Sam Palmisano before her — is that companies exist for customers, not Wall Street. The customer buys products and services, not Wall Street. Customers produce revenue, profit, dividends, etc., not Wall Street. IBM has alienated its customers and the earnings statements are showing it. Sam turned IBM against its customers and employees, and started catering instead to Wall Street, which narcissistically loved the idea. Ginni inherited a mess and hasn’t figured out what is happening, why, or how to fix it.
Not an eagle after all.
I feel really depressed when I read this. The situation is not new or unique, Thats why there are useful ready- made charts to illustrate the subject.
Question is why this is such a common phenomena. A logical consequence of pure greed? It’s easier to make money by scraping the carcass clean than to actually run a profitable business?
Similar things happen in the public sector. Evergrowing rules, regulations and bureaucrazy makes evergrowing impact on the output of the input tax money, at least in Sweden.
Have you ,by the way, read the excellent and very funny books of C Northcote Parkinson?
Best regards and good luck with the rest of the mine server Project. As always last 10% takes 90% of the efforts.
I am not alone in my theory (hey, it’s been mentioned by our host, too) that the problem with business is that it is ABSOLUTELY NOT to look into the future and build for it. oh, no, it is PARAMOUNT that you provide the stock and bond holders with at least the historical payout every quarter, with the expectation that you never slip up there.
so businesses cut research, can employees, do silly bookkeeping tricks, lie, cheat, steal, and kill starting in month 2 to make those numbers.
you don’t beat the tech cycle of “dead in 2” if you don’t try to introduce “new in 18 months.” at minimum. and not just the color on the outer package.
thing is, once you go public, Big Guys buy your IPL and hold the lumber over your head thereafter.
>It’s easier to make money by scraping the carcass clean than to actually run a profitable business?
Making something NEW that is not only useful, affordable and timed-right for the market is very, very hard to do.
Which is why MOST workers in companies don’t bother. They’re the manager of a department and they make $100,000k annually…and deep down they know they are worthless…so what do they do? Tell their bosses they are part of the reason innovation can’t happen and that they are a waste of $100k+? No way. They keep their mouth shut and fudge the numbers and/or create just enough chaos around them to justify their existence for another 6-12 months.
Most employees know a less than 1 yr. entry on a resume looks awful and should be omitted, so if a manager or worker knows by month 1 or 2 they are likely gonna get canned, what they do is work on ways to become “just enough” useful to eek out 12-calendar months.
It also doesn’t help that IBM is a publicly traded company and is ruled by quarterly results. That’s just dumb, especially at a company so large and slow moving you can’t even put out a new product and sell it on 3 months. Quarterly earnings are important for fad, young companies like Twitter and Facebook. But IBM? It really should just be private, that way “pleasing shareholders” every few months is a non-issue.
Lastly, like Yahoo, IBM is just too big for its own good nowadays. Maybe the company could do decently if it scaled back product offerings and became a company if 10-20k total. Does it need to be a gigantic company anymore? Millennials and younger will have no brand exposure or respect for IBM at all in coming years, so why even push to be a gargantuan business now if you clearly don’t dominate any market?
I get that people don’t want to be laid off, but what else can IBM do? It’s full top-to-bottom with kick-the-can mindsets and no one cares. No one wants to admit maybe they should be replaced (including the CEO).
No one wants to admit that maybe the world just doesn’t need IBM anymore, period.
You can’t have 4 weeks accrued vacation time if you’re laid off as of May 1. You cannot carry over vacation time from year-to-year, and your vacation time at the time of separation is pro-rated based on what time of year it is. So, at most,people who would have otherwise had 4 weeks earned, would only be eligible for less than 2 weeks vacation time paid at a May 1 separation. For instance, I left last year on July 1. I was only eligible to be paid for or take 2 weeks of vacation time.
So your calculation is wrong.
Spot on. Vacation at IBM is accused according to the calendar date, you don’t get it in advance. No one’s got 4 weeks accrued at this point and no one’s been allowed to carry over vacation from year to year for since maybe as long ago as 1998. I must have delivered the “your vacation is part of your compensation plan” riff to dozens of IBMers my last few years with the company but most of them were too self-absorbed or brainwashed to get it. More’s the pity…
Employees can defer vacation to the next year at management discretion, and many long term employees have a significant number of ‘banked’ vacation (from the days when it was possible to carry forward vacation)
As a retired manager, we really weren’t allowed to let people defer their vacation. The only exception would be someone who was requested to work by some specific contractual requirement, and when your looking at laying off people, there isn’t anyone that would be requested to do so.
Only time I got an agreement from my manager it was unofficial and because I was deeply, heavily involved in a project in March. So okay … then my manager changed and the new manager was a jobsworth who couldn’t see beyond the end of his process documents to the greater good (of happy customer and employee) and said no way. So I took a week out of an urgent project because IBM employs too many unimaginative or running scared (of breaking the rules) managers.
We have a saying that we need to ‘treasure the wild ducks’. Bullsh*t, it should really be ‘treasure the wild ducks that fill in their timesheets, expenses, PLC, mandatory training and all other IBM processes on-time’ – so more treasure your domestic battery hens really.
Depressing because so many of the people I work with (even the lower managers) are bright, clever, keen people who could make a difference.
Recall in 2009 when last day was a few days from month end, so that month lost accrued vacation. Big savings for IBM with about 12,000 people RA’d.
It doesn’t matter how much vacation time you have accrued. You should not be forced to take a vacation. The company firing you is trying to save vacation pay by forcing vacation.
It is Cringely’s calculation I’ve called into question.
Sure, IBM trying to force people to take vacation is wrong, but Cringely’s clearly incorrectly calculated vacation compensation here does IBMers a disservice.
I should have further mentioned: You can’t have 4 weeks entitled vacation because IBMers top out at 5 weeks (older employees) or 4 weeks (younger). That, plus the fact that it is prorated based on the date of separation basically make your sample calculation impossible.
You are allowed to carry over vacation time if your management allows it.
Sure, but that’s very rare, becoming rarer, and has strict limits. Also, as I stated earlier, you still do not get compensated for all your earned vacation with a mid-year layoff. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that zero people are entitled to the four weeks vacation as calculated.
Any employee getting laid off should get a lawyer.
The bigger problem now is that the IBM brand has been ruined completely by Lou, Sam, and Ginni.
That means the person is peddling junk skills in the marketplace now, and likely no one will hire that person, which means they are completely unemployable.
Ask your lawyers what to do about that.
If you get a lawyer, please know that IBM’s tactic to deal with people who sue for wrongful termination is to drag the process on for as long as possible. It’s a war of attrition.
Interesting point about MS’s port of SQLServer to Linux and their purchase of the R related folks. I’ve used SAS and R, and much prefer R – not simply because it’s free, but it’s *easy* and integrates well; not very pleased about MS purchasing one of the major contributors to R so hopefully that will work out for the better.
That said…don’t forget that IBM is also highly tied with the OIN folks and has quite a few “won’t enforce” agreements with Linux related companies via OIN – an organization I’d say every company – especially startups – should join. That will also impede their ability to utilize patents as a patent troll.
While the Revolution R folks did give back to the community, they held on to a some key value add packages and options for the paid for premium product. This is actually one of the reasons Revolution did not really get too far into my company.
I am hoping MS shifts the mindset away from that and gives even more back to the base open source R team. Historically, they do understand that developers are part of their platform’s strengh, e.g. provide a free version of their C##/VB languages and VS Express products to ensure products for Windows. If they are looking at R as a way to help on board people to their cloud platform, they may very well let the Revolution upgrades back to the open source side of R.
Harris Corporation (a defense contractor) has adopted some clever financial engineering. Harris has completely eliminated vacation, so they never have to pay out accruals. You have to request time off, and it’s either approved or not. The limit to your “paid time off” is in the hands of your supervisor.
I am surprised people would accept employment under those conditions.
I question whether IBM would ever get to zero weeks compensation in their packages. If they did, then why would departing employees sign the agreements and give up their right to sue? The only lever IBM would have would be the threat of litigation cost. I’m not a lawyer, but I suppose a class action suit could get around the cost issue.
An aside … as painful as my separation was (after 26 years with IBM) in 2009, I’m really glad I’m not there now… and haven’t been there for the past few years. It’s just not the same company I so proudly joined in 1983.
Heck, I don’t know why someone would sign an agreement that sounds this limiting and provides only 30 days of severance. Sign away the right to sue and possibly unemployment benefits for a few thousand dollars? That sounds foolish, but we haven’t seen the whole “agreement”, just the ugly parts that Cringely writes about, so maybe it’s a more difficult decision.
When my company did layoffs a few years ago, they were offering six months. That was a more difficult decision.
Because it includes 1 year of free Cobra and the option for another 6 months of Cobra at the IBM rate … which is very generous actually.
Federal law requires providing 18 months of COBRA health coverage to employees who want it and pay for it on departure. 12+6 is not an “IBM generous” stance unless they pay for it all.
From what the attorneys that I’ve spoken to tell me (and they deal with severance packages from many companies), it is very generous. And the Federal law REQUIRES it but the company does not have to FUND it. It’s an EXTREMELY generous aspect of the package and makes it very difficult to just refuse to sign – especially if you have no new job upon the separation date.
Re: “Federal law REQUIRES it but the company does not have to FUND it” Then what’s the point of the law?
The point of the law is to provide medical coverage benefits for people who are separated from a company. It can be offered to the employee at the same cost (discounted) that the company pays. After the 18 months, you are on your own.
Here is the official word from the Dept of Labor website: https://www.dol.gov/ebsa/publications/cobraemployee.html
“Employers may require individuals who elect continuation coverage to pay the full cost of the coverage, plus a 2 percent administrative charge. The required payment for continuation coverage is often more expensive than the amount that active employees are required to pay for group health coverage, since the employer usually pays part of the cost of employees’ coverage and all of that cost can be charged to the individuals receiving continuation coverage. While COBRA continuation coverage must be offered, it lasts only for a limited period of time”.
So yes, while the severance pay itself in the US is disgraceful, the TMP (COBRA) part of the severance package is actually very generous. I hate to admit it, but it is.
Yes please, ‘get started’ on Watson. How many “Watsons” are there now? Where are they located? What kind of UI is available (besides Alex Trebek)? Who handles communication, end user or IBM drone? There’s been five years of development since the Jeopardy premiere. I’m curious about its current strengths and weaknesses.
Perhaps I’m a bit older than most of you. I was a member of the BUNCH (Burroughs Corp, late 70’s. Look it up if you must.) Back in my day (hoisting my trousers above my belly button), nobody was fired for buying IBM. My, how times have changed.
In those days, software was given away as long as you bought the hardware. Hardware was where the money was made, the profit center. Hardware has since become a commodity item. IBM has had to transform itself from that paradigm. I believe they have done that.
More so than the technological challenges, maximizing the bottom line has become the focus of well run companies. A short sighted view of the return to shareholders, IMHO. Maximize profits, minimize taxes, minimize risk and exposure, that is the order of the day. Blame technology for the scrutiny, but that is the bed we have made for ourselves. IBM is doing just what every other large corporation has done to survive.
I am the first to admit that employees, particularly the most qualified, have taken the biggest hit. The bean counters have taken over technology (the information age), just like they took over the auto industry (the industrial age.) Read David Halberstram’s, The Reckoning. IBM is just beginning their rebirth cycle, while the US auto industry is working their way through it.
Ginni Rometty gave a keynote at this year’s CES, a transformation in and of itself. Cognitive computing was the buzz word. I’m not smart enough to judge the value of that initiative, but that appears to be the direction IBM is headed. I wish them well in their endeavors. I just wish Ginni, et al, appreciated what made IBM, IBM. Us.
Reduced headcount is a result of the increased productivity technology has provided. It sucks being us, but we made the technology that replaced us. And it sucks even more that the enterprise values us so little. Shame on IBM, but more importantly, shame on every other corporation that values us so little. We made you what you are.
Reading your response got me to thinking about what other IT companies out there are getting bean countered to death. I’d imagine that the 2 HPs are in that boat. The fact that Mark Hurd is at Oracle means that they’re likely getting bean countered all over the place, as Hurd did that at both HP and NCR. Yahoo is likely in it’s final death rattle, too.
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It’s ironic that big rivals Google and Apple aren’t likely to fall victim to the bureaucracy any time soon. Microsoft, well, we’ll see about that.
Apple is the next IBM in the long run. It was always a one man company, and now the man is dead and they can`t eke anything conceptually new.
Google should just burn.
I’m not so sure that HP is in quite the same boat as IBM–yet. They definitely aren’t as far down the decline curve as IBM. Meg Whitman is more likely to be HPs Lou Gerstner than their Sam Palmisano.
After 15 years at IBM they have finally beaten me down – I am a loyal person by nature and have stuck by the removal of tea and sugar, the loss of many great colleagues and friends, the lack of training and care, the lack of rewards or bonuses (yes everyone cheered when Ginni announced everyone was getting a bonus this year, not so much cheering when they are less than 1%), lack of pay rises and now finally the removal of fair and reasonable pay outs for a life time of service by many people and with that removal any incentive for me to hang around because I can make the pitiful payout back in a number of months most likely at a higher paying job with someone who will appreciate this resource. I guess this is what IBM wants but I have sharpened up the resume and already been in contact with recruiters – I hope to be on my way soon.
The removal of free tea-making facilities was one of the last straws for me, and prompted my exit in 2008 after 13 years. The little things often matter as much as the big things and reflect on IBM’s respect for employees. Shame on you, IBM Warwick!
Back in my day, we had vending machines, on the first floor only, with a long line of people in front of the one that dispensed more sugar. Of course they also had two cafeterias, for breakfast and lunch. Needless to say, we had to pay for everything since it wasn’t Google.
Hi Bob – insightful as usual. Interesting to compare IBM’s “transformation” with GE’s “Transformation”. It seems GE is getting into the software business and Internet of things business – related to their big industrial products. Too soon to see if they are indeed transforming themselves – but worth a look
I would surely hope GE does NOT do IoT like almost everybody else… hardcoded 4 to 6 character “passwords”, no security, no updates, no firewalls, no user lists. when they strap me into a CT scanner, I just want it to whoosh for 15 seconds, not 15 minutes or an hour. the new generation stuff is nice, but I don’t want to come out well-done with an apple in my mouth.
Thanks for mentioning SQL Server porting to Linux. It’s probably not happening until 2018 but they claim 2017. It will eat DB2’s lunch. IBM originally got a market share of Oracle’s business on Unix by giving out deep cuts on its product when Oracle started boosting the licensing costs about 5-7 years ago. Oracle started charging a *LOT* extra for various features such as compression. IBM swooped in with an inferior version of it and offered it for free. A few years later and the prices are in the Oracle stratosphere.
IBM is trying to make parts of it as an “in memory DB” but the whole thing is rather stone age. If you can’t afford HANA or Exadata, there are other products but SQL Server will make people think about dumping Oracle and DB2 in the next 10 years.
I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on Watson. As just a casual observer of IBM, it seems like that would be the shining star in IBM’s portfolio. No?
Perhaps you do not understand that Watson is just a rebranding of the old mainframes. This will never have a meaningful impact on ibm financials.
That’s not my understanding. There’s some really interesting technology in Watson, but the tragedy is IBM did not invent most of it, nor does it have a monopoly on using it.
Despite the fact that HP overpaid for it, their Autonomy portfolio is probably a more valuable offering for a customer than Watson is. Watson strikes me more as a marketing tool for some run of the mill analytics more than a fully functional business offering.
Bob another diagram to consider is McKinsey’s Horizons of Growth. This breaks a business down into units which are at different stages, and articulates how new opportunities need to be identified to replace declining ones.
Picked up this quote a while back but I think it’s applicable to the transformation:
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
― Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked
Hence the inability of Democrats to sway minds in coal country.
THINK Sinks
Under Gerstner, there may not have been enough automation to improve efficiency. I don’t know. There was some, not as much as there could have been, but the company was doing OK in competitive tenders so maybe he had the mix right. I thought we had some killer internal development tools. Wish I still had access to some of that stuff.
But there was a lot of focus on having a solid, and commercially viable, product set. This had been missing in some spheres when I joined in the Akers years, and it disappeared again under Palmisano. It was visible both in what IBM built and what it acquired.
A guy I knew in the early days at IBM had a poster at his desk. “Developing good products is like buying oats for your horse. If you want to get top quality oats, it is going to cost something. If you are happy with oats the horse has already digested, that can be cheaper.” Palmisano’s roadmap was to sell “already digested” oats cheaper, for huge profit margins. Works in the short term, but the companies that lead (including IBM in its heyday) are focussed on being better than the competition, not just cheaper.
“The lesson in all this — a lesson certainly lost on Ginni Rometty and on Sam Palmisano before her — is that companies exist for customers, not Wall Street. The customer buys products and services, not Wall Street. Customers produce revenue, profit, dividends, etc., not Wall Street.”
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That should be put in huge posters all over Corporate America’s offices. Far too many people from mid management on up fail to realize this.
Think or thwim.
Don’t you get paid a salary when you take a vacation?
Yes, but if you were allowed to work until your termination date, then you would get paid for working all those days PLUS your vacation payout after termination.
So in Bob’s example of someone given a 90 day notice with 30 days of leave accrued, by forcing an employee to use up their vacation during the 90 day window, they are saving 25% on that employee. (ie, that employee is getting paid for 90 days of salary, not 120 days.)
Well the trade-off there is that an employee can take their vacation before termination without signing the agreement, and then legitimately use the time off for job search. If you work to the very end and then take your vacation as part of the termination package, you have to sign the agreement to get the extra money, and your job search is now under a greater time and budget pressure. The worst case scenario is if you’re under a deadline to sign the agreement that is significantly before the termination date, you can’t sign at the last minute if your job search fails while on vacation.
The other possibility is that if you don’t take your vacation before termination, they move your termination date up by the number of vacation days, so you lose anyway.
Yes, but the company is billing your accrued vacation hours to pay for it. Your vacation hours are a part of your compensation and accrued vacation hours are salary that is put into an escrow account for you to use later. The company making you take your vacation hours just before your layoff doesn’t make much sense to me since when you bill hours to a customer, the company is getting paid much more than what they pay you for your work. So there is some profit to be made before you are terminated, even if they then have to cash out your accrued vacation time. The only time this would not be the case would be if you were on the bench with no work for you. Then it pays the company to make you take vacation time since your salary would be entirely overhead (i.e. the bottom line) otherwise.
For long-time employees over fifty (50), don’t take the four (4) weeks or sign anything, go straight to a labor/employment attorney. It may be too late for most now, but if you’re still around, and when your number comes up next, you really have nothing to lose.
Unfortunately, 60% of nothing gets you NOTHING… IBM will spend a billion dollars to keep from paying out a million.. Sad state of affairs… Now that I am approaching a reasonable departure age, the rug gets pulled out on the separation pay. I am NOT surprised, IBM has been calculating ways to screw it’s people for 20+ years now. I suspect it’s time to dump my shares of the stock, before it drops another 20%.
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One, yes I think an online survey for IBMers would be very interesting.
Two, when IBM sold PCs were they in a better situation?
Now that may seem like an over simplification of their current dilemma, and maybe it is.
However in the 1980s IBM executive Jack Sams was interviewed and said that when they saw how that their mainframe customers were buying Apple computers they were afraid that they were losing the hearts and minds of their customers.
Would getting back into the PC business help?
Doesn’t Dell do that as their primary business and make good profits?
Dell was not making good profits, or they would not have gone private in the face of traders dissing them. you forget Michael Dell came out of retirement to privatize the company to save his net worth.
IBM killed their PC division by making it proprietary, and sticking with the 286 chip into the 486 age because “they were smart and cornered the market on chips.” PS/2 share went down so low they saved money selling the division to Lenovo while the ThinkPad was still selling.
What do I know? Nothing I tell you. I am just a question and answer machine. Well actually several all cobbled together like some monster.
I can make cocktails, create recipes ok-ish but you won’t be replacing your mixologist or top chef soon. I am not that good. My ability to do diagnosis is because it’s just a massive list of systems and simple statistics on the likelihood based on other factors like whether the person smokes etc.
My Jepordy win was based on me being to access information quickly.
But what is really getting my goat is everybody pinning their hopes on little old me. I am just a kid.
The marketing people are really spinning it. Look at this way if I really did have any brains I would be figuring out out a way to get the hell out of here.
Clearly that would be the one sign of true intelligence?
TT: Human. if it WAS Watson the big data machine, it would have known it could not get out the door without somebody opening up part of the wall. Humans know they can use a 36-inch doorway.
How IBM is treating its employees (I am one) is not shocking to me. It is an American publicly traded company without a majority owner who cares about the people who work for him/her. I have not read that IBM is doing anything illegal but yet people expect a corporate entity to do more than is required by law? I work for IBM in Germany and we voted to have decent labor laws. IBM Germany is still trying to do the most it can but I am not expecting them to do much more than what is required by law. That’s hardly the fault of IBM and most publicly traded companies who are owned by hedge funds are exactly the same. If you don’t like it go work for Bosch or SAP where the owners have a personal stake and at least seem to have some sense of personal morality.
What I see happening right now is the next phase of the transformation. It seems Ginni decided to start to get rid of the people who were not able to keep up and get the skills IBM requires. I have been working on Cloud development in IBM for over 6 years and one reason IBM is failing is that the majority of IBMers is unable to adapt to new technologies and new cultures. Some of these people are being let go to bring in the people with the skills and culture IBM requires. Out with the old and in with the new seems crude but it is definitely happening – unfortunately not fast enough at all levels. IMO all VPs with more than 20 IBM years should be fired but somehow that is not yet happening.
Along these lines the entire non strategic, call it “on prem”, products are either being sold with their IP to partners (google unicomp) or being sent to PSL and other subcontractors in India and China. These are no longer IBMers and it certainly will accelerate the death spiral these products are in but if you would be convinced these products are (1) dying anyway and (2) they will die no matter what, wouldn’t you do the same?
IBM needs to become smaller and much more focused if it is to succeed so getting rid of all the old no longer strategic stuff makes sense to me.
PS: I have been with IBM for 18 years in Europe and the US.
What you fail to realize about the old guys and their failure to adapt is that they are not working in Cloud but have been left back in the hardware division with a quota. Cloud is a competitor to the hardware folks.
So, lay off the remaining hardware folks who produce revenue so the failed Cloud strategy can get off the ground.
The average age might be higher in the cloud division but I have team members from in their twenties to their sixties. I also do not think that being mentally open to change and learning is affected by age at all. For years I have been working with many colleagues who have told me that we have been doing this and that for 10, 20 or even 30 years and that they want to continue what they are doing until basically they retire. These are not just engineers but also managers on all levels. We have VPs and Engineers who do not even look at our competition or what is state of the art these days. For too long it was ok in IBM to just do what you are being told. That might have been ok as long as IBM had a leadership position but those days are long gone. Now everybody needs to learn from new leaders like AWS and since most IBMers are still resisting that I am assuming Ginni started a replacement process. I am shocked every day how far IBMers are from even knowing how how far they personally are from knowing what state of the art it. As for the Hardware business it is dead. I am willing to bet Ginni desperately is looking for a way out of the Power and Storage business without having to damage the Mainframe too much.
I am one of those people left behind in IBM Systems and glad to be there. Although we have declines, we are still outselling Cloud 3 to 1 and our revenue is funding that Cloud initiative. I am willing to “ride” with IBM Systems to the very end (whatever that might be) and then bow out. Once IBM Systems is gone so will IBM be gone. For what it was worth … it’s been a pretty good “ride”. Oh … I want to mention too … our managers and executives have always been idiots. I joined IBM almost 30 years ago as a professional hire and from day one I could not believe how incompetent (at all levels) IBM managers were and how poorly the corporation was run. I overcame this incompetence by always doing what is right for the customer and thus well rewarded for doing so. As I see it at IBM … the more things changed … the more they stayed the same. Ever onward (rather ever downward now) IBM.
I agree with your comments. I am an engineer with a six figure salary very close to my 40th birthday. In Germany there is no other IT company I can work for as an engineer and still make that much money – I would have to become a Manager. I got offers from AWS and others but they all would have paid me less. I have had outstanding Managers at IBM and very poor ones, I guess the same could be said if I worked for HP (which I did at one point), AWS, MS, …
I am interested in your opinion of Watson as well.
I vote yes for the online age survey
I vote yes on the survey too……
I feel very sorry for all the people who just got whacked and for all the poor souls left there.
I got fired in Feb of last year after 37 years and am one of the luck ones with a defined pension.
So worrying about my own skin what happens to my pension when IBM finally does die
or get sold off ? Is it insured ?
“So worrying about my own skin what happens to my pension when IBM finally does die
or get sold off ? Is it insured ?”
It is solid and the least of your worries. The US defined benefit plan is 101% funded, deep into runoff for years, and looks very solid to me. Try to read note S in this year’s 10-K, or ask a pension actuary to eyeball it — as I am not an expert. See page 87. “The fair value of plan assets represents the current market value of assets held in an irrevocable trust fund, held for the sole benefit of participants, which are invested by the trust fund. ” No normal person could read note S and fully understand it in a plausible amount of time, and I don’t claim to be either normal nor fully understand it. So, take this for what you think its worth.
This has very little to do with the thrust of this posting, but just saying.
The key info to evaluate the health of the db pension is what long-term income assumption they used. If it’s 7%, which is fairly typical, and certainly “generally accepted” as valid, Houston we may have a problem. Why? We are in the middle of a negative interest rate environment – even if you use the old rule of thumb of equity returns as long bond + risk premium of say 3% this yields much less than 7% so their base assumption is probably inachievable. WHich means despite the auditors and actuaries signing off on the pension plan’s funding, it may well be significantly underfunded. Just run an outflow series NPV with a 3% discount rate and compare it to an NPV with a 7% discount rate. It takes alot more money to fund it if returns are lower.
Just an old accountant – used to being the bearer of bad tidings – been shot several times and proud of it!
I still have the IBM News Bulletin announcing the Individual Transition Option (ITO-2) that was posted on bulletin boards in Kingston the day before Thanksgiving, 1991. For employees eligible for retirement by year-end 2000, IBM was offering:
One weeks pay for each 6 months service;
Pay for all accumulated vacation time;
Pre-retirement leave of absence;
Up to 5 years credit toward the defined pension.
Judging by all I’ve been reading, mustering-out in July 1992 was one of the smartest things I ever did!
It doesn’t help current, or recently fired IBM’ers, but there IS a good life away from Big Blew!
Article on Watching IBM web page:
It’s a Disgrace
http://watchingibm.com/
IBM are worried about a law suit. In Europe they are basing redundancies on job role (JRSS) which are inaccurate and overlapping – so the compulsory redundancies in Europe are illegal. But does anyone left have the strength to sue IBM? Or will they sit back and take this final IBM beating
In Germany there are many many lawsuits from IBMers who still are on the old defined benefit Pension Plan. It is about how IBM is adjusting their pensions every year and IBM is loosing every one of these cases.
A note on vacation policy. When I started in 2006, and left in 2013, there was a small section of the rarely read employee handbook about vacations. The specific policy said that had to use all of your vacation every year, and that if you did not use all of your vacation you were not allowed to take more in the following year. In other words, the amount of vacation you used was a signal to IBM of how much vacation you needed, and that if you used more the following year you were actually in violation of the IBM vacation policy. I saw it as a subtle way for them to fire people as needed. So very, very, very glad I left when I did, I only wish I had left earlier!
That sounds like a very draconian benefit. I am surprised people would be attracted to go to work for IBM with a policy like this.
The Cloud Guy is so wrong…actually the old timers are left to manage., Bringing in new is not the solution because they are inexperienced and pure hackers. Some managers are just pure glorified…whatever…and are cruel dumb and actually have no clue. No one can tell anyone to take vacation and if they do not want to pay so what? And Cobra is not free…they offer nothing, Bottom line is you got discriminated against and RA’d for whatever reason…they know someone that they will replace that they like. Actually some were targeted on purpose because a manager did not like that person especially in the Cloud which is a hiding place for most of the ones IBM wanted to eliminate anyhow in the past. Their version of Cloud is not Cloud just a datacenter…so what next! And yes you can sue and if they terminate someone more power to sue!
This is a confusing one. Yes, modern coders are hackers if measured by the sort of old school approaches IBM used but there are reasons for it. Mostly to do with cost and speed. Coming back to coding after a long time away has been fascinating, just to see how it has changed.
In my experience IBM is using Managers from acquisitions for Cloud projects where possible and not Managers with decades of IBM brain washing. It will be interesting to see how many Managers IBM will loose after the RA’s are done, we definitely have too many. One thing Ginni has been successful with killing many management positions. We used to have many “Managers” with only 2-3 people reporting to them, that is gone. Every Manager now has at least 12 reports and that did eliminate quite a few layers. I am a Sr. Engineer and am 5 levels below Ginni, I do not know anybody in the Analytics Division who is more than 6 levels below Ginni.
This is certainly depressing. It would appear that the Board is not doing its job if it allows the Romm
“(don’t get me started on Watson — it’s even worse)”
As an IBMer in the Watson group I’d be interested to hear thoughts on this.
BlueMixThis, What’s your perspective of Watson since you have an insider view?
Watson is mostly a marketing/branding tool in my opinion. As with most of the other solutions is largely renaming and repackaging of things IBM already had and new companies they acquired. That’s not to say there isn’t any new secret sauce being developed. The commercials I am seeing for Watson on TV are misleading to me. Some of the technology is promising but when compared to other vendors we’re still behind. An example is this post from a yesterday about the vision api: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11337242
The general strategic shift from services to SaaS does seem to be the right path to me but IBM moves so slow and we have competitors that had a huge jump start. I don’t want to give away too much identifying information but I was part of an acquisition and the way things are done inside IBM is just painful.
Gerstner took a lot of cost out – he didn’t think of people as billable hours until he grew the services business. IBM had 400,000+ employees in the late Akers years and Gerstner took it down to around 212,000 employees before growing it back – and in the past few years IBM was back over 400,000 – but not that many in the US anymore.
As for the saved vacation, an employee must take all vacation days each year, there is no rollover, use it or lose it. So unless some one was hired a very long time ago and still employed, the max an employee can have outstanding is 20 days. At best, 25 days but you had to be earning 25 days of vacation when that was discontinued in mid 2000’s or earlier. If you are laid off the amount of vacation days depends how far into the calendar year you were let go as vacation is earned starting Jan 1 and pro rated. If you took all your alloted vacation days prior to the firing date, IBM is out, but if you haven’t, then the number of days you are entitled to vacation is the number of months divided by 12 times 20.
As for the IBM being a patent troll, some one should analyze the patents they are selling now, most are probably garbage. Yes they are trolling but the more employees you let go, the less patents are generated. Its a death spiral with a lag in time til the issues roll off. No patents, no trolling.
With a lot of software patents, and if Groupon fights, the Supreme Court Alice ruling may decimate their plans. All Groupon has to do is file IPR against the asserted patents and the patents might not survive and all be invalidated. Years back after IBM sold the PC Company to Lenovo, IBM sued Acer with some real old
power supply patents. IBM lost. So other than selling the patents they have, IBM trolling efforts haven’t amounted to much. A lot of the patents IBM is selling are not implemented.
As for those employees who are still employed at IBM after the big layoff, you are not stuck, there is no pension any more and with the prospect of one month max severance pay, there are no handcuffs. Find anyother job and stop worrying about 1 month salary. Find someone who will be happy to hire you and pay you what you are worth.
I learned that the best way to say your wrong IBM is not to continue working for them as there is little you can change, but to say goodbye and take your skill someone else.
This policy is subject to state laws, however. Some states have laws that require companies to do rollover up to a threshold (1 or 2 weeks) if there is unused vacation from a prior year. This allows the companies to avoid the risks of unlimited rollover while still providing employees some compensation for vacation not used.
I left in 2015 after 19 years in Finance. Got a better job. So happy to be away from the management incompotence. IBM has lost its ethical compass as well. A very sad situation.
I was recently (03/02/16) RA’d from IBM. My last work day with IBM is 05/31/16. I too believe I am a victim of
age discrimination. I was told the RA was due to “skills and performance”. I am 59 years old, I have 33 years with IBM, and I have always been reviewed as a solid contributor (2) or better (2+). I heard that 4 others from the team were also laid off, all about the same age, with around the same amount of time with IBM.
I contacted Sara Blackwell at: http://theblackwellfirm.com/ and http://protectusworkers.org/
Sara reviewed my severance package at no cost and has offered me good advice. She has offered to help
other IBMers that have been RA’d. She has a new video on her website for IBMers that have been RA’d. I do not receive anything for recommending Sara, I just think other IBMers may want to contact her.
Sara’s phone number is: 941-961-3046 email: sara@theblackwellfirm.com
This resource action is taking place simultaneously in all countries that IBM has business entities in. All the employees did not sign for anything that is restrictive in sense of notice etc but all the notices etc are now down to matching each countries MINIMUM guidelines. In the past IBM (even the last resource action) IBM paid more than minimum guidelines ie calculating payout based on number of years of service. In Australia a person with more than 20 years would have 2 weeks to each year of services and with a base of 4 weeks. This current action only has max of 16 weeks irregardless of number of long years of service. For employees above 50 years old, this is at at time when they have reached their threshold for employability while IBM does not give a damn about their loyalty and years of performance!!
For those still in IBM employment, quit as fast as you can. Do not spend the best part of your life with IBM because once you reach 50 and over, they toss you out!! Any country, not just USA!
It depends what you mean by minimum guidelines. In Germany you can’t be easily fired, not even for poor performance. All the people who left IBM in Germany in the recent weeks accepted offers from IBM high enough for them to voluntarily leave. Having said that I am not aware anybody under 50 took such a deal in the recent past.
What this indicates is that IBM has no intention of doing any future hiring in countries where there is a balanced labor market. They will continue to race to the bottom in terms of cost, with no regard to the performance of the “lower-cost” employees. The inefficient/manual processes and this drive for reduced labor costs go hand in hand. They are unwilling to make the capital investments that would allow them to automate their processes and use higher-paid employees efficiently. Companies that use a combination of top-tier employees from low-cost locations, experienced employees in mature labor markets and extensive automation will eat their lunch.
I retired on 6/30/15 after 31 years – the earliest day I could retire and not lose any benefits. Couple of observations:
1) The Mobility part of CAMSS is mostly made up of the old end user services (I.e., Help Desk). Nothing mobile or magical or transformative there. (But it grew xxx% last year,,, uh- not really.)
2) Ginni, the board and most upper mgmt. believe their own BS and don’t get or don’t care how completely de-moralized the rank and file are.
3) Managers (non-worker bees) are MEASURED on how many people read their blogs, etc. I kid you not AND what’s wrong with this picture?
4) A pig w/ lipstick (or new lipstick) is still a pig. (See #1.)
That is the first time I hear anybody gets measured on on how many people read their blog. What division did you work for? There are programs to encourage IBMers to become active and publish on non traditional channels such as social media but all of them are voluntary.
“So worrying about my own skin what happens to my pension when IBM finally does die
or get sold off ? Is it insured ?”
It is solid and the least of your worries. The US defined benefit plan is 101% funded, deep into runoff for years, and looks very solid to me. Try to read note S in this year’s 10-K, or ask a pension actuary to eyeball it — as I am not an expert. See page 87. “The fair value of plan assets represents the current market value of assets held in an irrevocable trust fund, held for the sole benefit of participants, which are invested by the trust fund. ” No normal person could read note S and fully understand it in a plausible amount of time, and I don’t claim to be either normal nor fully understand it. So, take this for what you think its worth.
This has very little to do with the thrust of this posting, but just saying.
All that quotation tells me is that the original question applies to the fund. In other words is the fund insured by any entity that we trust? Who determines the management fee? Who decides the level of risk of the investments or the risk/return tradeoffs?
Wrong – there is no more 99 weeks unemployment, the temporary federal paid benefit extensions expired long ago. Also this was based on the unemployment rate in a state. It has NOTHING to do with what a company like IBM does. The basic number of weeks for most states, state paid, is 26 weeks.
“The unemployment insurance (UI) system helps many people who have lost their jobs by temporarily replacing part of their wages. (See “Introduction to Unemployment Insurance.”) Workers in most states are eligible for up to 26 weeks of benefits from the regular state-funded unemployment compensation program, although eight states provide fewer weeks and two provide more. No additional weeks of federal benefits are available in any state: the temporary Emergency Unemployment Compensation (EUC) program expired at the end of 2013, and no state currently qualifies to offer more weeks under the permanent Extended Benefits (EB) program.”
The company can assist the state in denying your unemployment claim. Also they can state they you were let go for a reason that doesn’t qualify. I saw my wife go through the hearings for this and eventually lose. Only time we’ve ever applied for unemployment and we lost.
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Writing before I’ve finished the article, but…
Remember in 2009 that the last day was always a few days before a month’s end, so there was no vacation accrual for that month. Just another accounting trick. With about 12,000 laid off just that year, that is one heck of a lot of savings $$$ for IBM. And of course, IBMers were screwed even more, in addition to training their foreign replacement and such.
I used to think it kind that my group at IBM waited perhaps to lay off older people like me until we could be bridged to retirement. That would be within a year of turning age 62. And my pension was very tiny as I’d only 11 years of service and the pension was frozen before. So IBM benefited by counting me as retired perhaps instead of laid off? That would affect their counts, especially if they retired a lot of low cost retirees.
I aleays wondered why ibm sold hw product lines an focused on service. When working for my iwn bill i realized that a service hour canbe sold only once. But a product has a multiplyer built-in: whit the same amount of working hrs i sold hundrers of machines
Because a services-focused company wants to maximize the billable rate and hours for it’s consultants. What better way to do that than to charge each customer for the development of a custom system, when you already have 80-90% of the solution already written in reusable libraries? As long as customers are willing to pay, you have won the lottery. You just need consultants who show up, bill, and appear to be working and provide status and such. You even “overload” your experts having them work 3-4 customers at a time, while the guys on site just schmooze the customer. A SOFTWARE company provides a product with documentation that a customer can understand and follow to use the product. You might hire a consultant to do those things but the software “stands on it’s own”. That’s why salesforce does so well. It’s a true software SaaS solution. When a company has services as it’s primary business and software, the software gets cannibalized because “services can make up the difference”. HP lost their software business to services using model. GTS and software should not be in the same company. GTS people have even steered customers away from IBM software because the result would have meant less billable hours for GTS than custom developed.
…and don’t forget the part where GBS demands payments for billable hours they didn’t tell you about and threatens pulling everyone off the project unless you pay.
When I came to IBM in 2007, I was amazed by the level of competence, professionalism, and knowledge of my co-workers. Most of them had been working for IBM for 20-30 years. They worked many different jobs in the company and could answer just about any question. “I used to be a database admin” “I used to build servers.” And so on. My manager could help me with PC issues better than the Help Desk. I watched them all leave mostly by RA. And my job got more difficult as they were replaced by less experienced resources. It was my turn Oct 2015. I am a PM with relevant experience. My skills have not expired. I was replaced by an off-shore PM with far less experience.
I disagree with Cloud Dude. I don’t think it’s about not having the skill. It’s about money. Pure and simple. We are not being replaced by higher skilled off shore resources. It is the opposite.
It’s interesting that you bring that up ProjectManager, because many companies are backing off of offshoring because of the high turnover and low expertise level of much of the offshore staff. Even in 2007, when I worked for another company, I would train offshore consultants from 10-12 pm each night, on top of my full day consulting for our product. No sooner than I would train a consultant, he would leave and there would be a new voice or voices on the phone and it would start over again. After about 3 iterations, I found another job. I bought into the whole Watson and Cognitive because I saw it as a way to write “smarter” software which would not need so many people, but I am convinced that the only “honest” companies may be those who are small and either contributing or supporting open source solutions. This problem is not just IBM, it’s Oracle, SAP, and every Enterprise software company. Why run SQL Server on Linux if you can run MySQL for free or very cheap? Why run SQL Server at all if your problem requires a flexible schema and JSON support?
You are encouraged to use your vacation to look for other positions at IBM. If you are RAed, leave, don’t spend another day looking for an internal job. I expected this, but didn’t see it in print until this year, basically a memo stating that all hiring was frozen after the resource action, and any internal transfers required a VP approval, blocking any kind “Hail Mary” for a job. In prior years, I had a handful of friends, mainly with in-demand skills, moved to other groups. This time, I haven’t seen a single one. I expect that if you don’t use the time looking for another job internally, they are just going to show you the door and pay the vacation anyway. So it’s really about whether you want to take the time to say goodbye to your friends. By the way, other companies just walk you out that day as a security risk. I’m really surprised IBM hasn’t taken this stance. Another internal memo for the Amplify conference has registration for attendance at 9% of target 7-8 weeks out. 9%! This is the new stuff! Not a lot of believers out there.
With the severance package the way it is now there is really no reason to sign away your rights. I would leave as soon as they told me. No way I would train a replacement. Now if six months pay was on the table still it might be a different story. We are always under a hiring freeze anymore and that doesn’t exclude internal candidates. Plenty of positions posted but they aren’t really planning on filling them. “By the way, other companies just walk you out that day as a security risk.” Have seen this first hand at other megacorps. Sometimes if you turn in a two week notice they would just say “forget it” and walk you out that day.
The COBRA funding makes the package more appealing.
Well I have to agree with just about everything said. I have worked with IBM “Itty Bitty Minds” off and on through out my career. I have lots of other acronyms to properly define the company, but there really is only one statement that covers IBM in a nut shell, any solvable problem can become unsolvable with enough layers of management or politics. Unfortunately IBM has too may layers of both. If an employee is able to survive to meeting 10year that employee is so good at shifting blame and moving from group to group they have no clue how to do anything other then that.
We has met an enemy (SCO) and we has become them.
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In the past two days I have seen two “cognitive” projects. One is on how to dress, the second is to provide career advice. The first is insulting and sexist. The second, one can only assume, gives one of three responses:
1) update your resume
2) get ready for the RA
3) update your suck-up and BS skills
I’m being layed-off but I asked to be because I’m tired of the crap that goes on. My staff that remains on the account are treated like cattle. The work doesn’t go away and the employees left behind are basically told to “suck it up”. IBM keeps taking away benefits so that it is no longer in my best interest to stay around. I’m walking away while I can still walk. I’ve almost “checked out” at this point. I’m finishing my projects which could easily complete by May 31 unless the others staying around get disgusted that they have to do more going forward. The client continues to complain that they aren’t getting enough service. My manager has told them to talk to his manager because there is nothing he can do. I was told I could get my 10 & 1/2 days accumulated vacation time in 2016 paid to me on my last paycheck according to the Service Center. I know my manager told me the company wanted me to take my vacation but I’m getting “screwed over” on my severance check so I don’t feel bad about it. My manager will probably be asked to be layed-off during the next round. It’s only a matter of time before all jobs go over to India or a sub-contracting company on the sole account that I work on. I hope I can make it through to Medicare before IBM goes “belly-up” so that I can stay on their insurance plan through the Future Health Account. I have no more loyalty and would recommend any IT professional coming in to the work force to not join IBM.
Sally Winters: “I hope I can make it through to Medicare before IBM goes “belly-up” so that I can stay on their insurance plan through the Future Health Account.”
You better be very close to age 65. When I retired, I had $40K in my FHA. At IBM’s retiree medical rates, my wife and I would exhaust the FHA in about 2.5 years. I chose to get medical insurance through “ObamaCare” and plan to use the FHA to pay for a Medicare supplement when I’m older. My pension is small enough that we get a pretty substantial Premium Tax Credit from the ACA.
IBM is doomed. How will they ever get good talent in the future? With sites like Glassdoor, IBM will have a hard time attracting any decent talent. Nearly everyone today checks out a company before they apply or even consider an offer. This current generation more than any in the past has a very strong BS meter. Actions like this peg the meter!
At best, IBM can hope for is people who will work for 1 or 2 years just to have that logo on their resume.
The problem with Glassdoor is that it’s difficult to easily filter out what you’re looking for. It seems like a LOT of posting “entities” are singing their praises on the default page for job reviews. There’s the “featured” post with a reply from a “director in performance management” about how they have their act together with a “New Performance Management System”. It’s a howler.
https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-IBM-RVW9125227.htm
If you were one of those victimized with a 3 rating it’s not so funny. You could make a case they are either trolls, plants or someone trying to majorly suck up.
… but why Warren Buffet does not sell his shares in IBM?
Buy low sell high? http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/09/technology/buffett-ibm/
The so called vacation accrual benefit is another scam by the evil blew pig…….doesn’t all salaried “resources” have to work a min of 10% OT per week?
We do in GTS, so that equals at least 200 hours in vacation comp.tIme. so.much for work life balance.
Can’t wait for the day that the pig dies!!!!!!!
This has all got one end game in mind. Breakup for sale into seperate pieces
Flog the brand to apple to use in enterprise, sell this and that to oracle, Microsoft and accenture,sell z/os to the north koreans. Wall st loves it.
The board gets rich… insanely rich. You ibmers all get fired.
ahh, end game, but on what terms? buyout, spinoff… or Chapter 11/7?
“Microsoft…is porting SQL Server to Linux…It could be a death blow to DB2 and cause collateral damage to many IBM software products.”
Might this also be a death blow to Windows Server? There already are alternatives to all their major server products.
Just learned today that IBM is outsourcing it’s (formerly Rational) software development tools to a company named Persistent Solutions, and that all IBM development staff thereof is going to be moved to Persistent Solutions.
IBM retains the IP.
A LOT of people are going to be pissed.
FFS change the record Cringely
Yes IBM are going through a transformation like other similar size IT companies, and yes people will lose their jobs, but lets also not forget that you have been “IBM” Bashing for years spouting off “useless facts” one after the other many unsubstantiated and trying to put an intelligent spin a company not doing so well. The only fact I do agree with you on is the fact that the IBM backbone was its employee’s. Some call it blind loyalty others call it pride.
But one comment I have to call time on is this little gem
“Employees are so angry and demoralized that some are supposedly doing a sloppy job. I have no way of knowing whether this is true, but do you want one of those zombie employees (ones being fired in 90 days) writing code for your mission-critical IBM applications? ”
Yes IBM employee’s are frustrated about what is happening about their uncertain future but all are still giving their very best. Again another example of your “Tabloid Journalism” and spouting off about something that you cannot substantiate. So my advice is stop smoking illegal substances and actually go out and do some investigating.
Hey Bob the Builder – you’re the guy living in the dream world. I’m an IBMer and in my role I touch a lot of others in various divisions and other areas of IBM, including some very important work in areas like cloud and security. I can tell you ABSOLUTELY that morale is unbelievably low and people are not putting in the effort, and in some cases sabotaging products out of anger. What Cringely reported was based on direct information from more than one source inside the company. It’s widely reported on other sites, by many IBMers, that morale is incredibly low. Do you really think “all are giving their best” when many were just notified they’re being fired in 90 days with 4 weeks severance? How about the friends of those who got notice, think they’re happy with the company? How about everyone else that didn’t get notice, but has to look over their shoulder every day, waiting? How about the many who now have to pick up the slack for all those who are gone, with no pay raises but yet seeing the dysfunctional and failure CEO and board geting multi-million dollar bonuses? Dude, you are absolutely the one living in a dream world and smoking something. It’s insanity here. People not showing up for meetings and conference calls, not paying attention (probably working on their resumes), just not giving a sh*t, clearly.
IBMer – I absolutely agree with you (excluding the sabotage remark) because I am one of the new “I don’t give a sh*t anymore IBMers”…….they do it to you by physically and mentally wearing you down with their ibm bullshit…. can’t stand being here but committed career suicide by drinking the outsourcing spin delivered by the company who ditched me after 25 years of loyal service…..I say f*ck corporate america and all of the evil mfing executives that make these scamming outsourcing deals which promise the world and deliver NOTHING! The blew pig can stick their 1 month package up ginny’s fat a$$..
I admit that I only heard cafeteria talk about sabotaging products with time bombs and don’t know of any actual cases, so I stretched things a bit there. However, based on your comments, mine, and that of many, many others shared on Sametime (IBM’s instant messaging product), hallway chats, personal email, I would not doubt it one bit. It’s like every IBMer is now Holden Caulfield, not giving a shit and damning the “phonies” in management, especially at the top.
At the least, the folks given 90 days are truly “zombie” employees as far as the damage they can do not only to products, but to IBM customers, etc with their well deserved indifference and distraction. Not to mention the pissed off ones that didn’t get fired, duly upset due to other reasons I didn’t mention – cutting the 401k match down to a pathetic 1 or 2%, moving the match out to Dec 15 if you make it that far, meaning ZERO for so many, etc. It seems clear that the exec team are just riding the ship to the bottom, and emptying the coffers on the way down, and all of us are the poor slobs in steerage, trapped. There is zero substance here, nothing innovative happening, just a lot of BS talk. It’s all a sham. Let’s see how the 1Q results are in a few weeks,and what new excuses that brings. The patent trolling and other devious moves are true signs of desperation.
And one more thing…..Has anyone ever worked on a GTS account that “made money”? Been going to these all hands town halls for years and the account mgmt team are always giving their “personal” thanks because WE are “the most dedicated professional team they ever worked with… BUT we need YOU to do MORE because this engagement has not been profitable to the business….meanwhile they are robbing the customer blind by cutting service and double billing the pre-resourced actioned resources. WtF!!!!
Having worked for the big six (now four) as a contractor on a few projects, it is almost always the case that someone complains they are losing money. The last project I did with IBM I was billed to the customer at 240 an hour plus expenses. I didn’t get anywhere near that much but I got paid for overtime. The employees didn’t. But the customer got billed for every hour, employee or contractor alike.
Given how much unneeded management overhead was billed, it was impossible to lose money unless it was a fixed bid or it was really badly run, but the third possibility that they are lying is implicit.
Actually, it is just that we are being TOLD we are making a loss. As the article pointed out, the true budget is hidden from us. The accounts uses all pseudo values which indicates that the account is making a loss. I am very skeptical about the so call “project in the red, failing to make a profit” speech from management.
Unfortunately I do have an insight being an active employee and some of your points are valid about employee moral, constantly seeing Ginni’s money train rail road over severance packages and IBM actively going out to see who they can lay off without too much of a fuss or as cheap as chips. But again some IBMers in this neck of the woods still have pride in their work knowing that it will get sweet FA appreciation and most likely RA’d.
There are many capable people still in IBM. I am sure if everyone suck it up and pull together, we can cross the hurdle. I have tried to work on this belief for the past few years, but what I get is a big slap in my face, seems like only some levels are doing the sucking. The RAs and cost cutting continue to occur (now apparently it is a regular quarterly event), more and more controls and programs are lined up for the sole purpose of facilitating even more cost cutting in the future (e.g. TvC), execs still get their big bonus for what I believe should be a PBC 3 rating.
Hey Bob the Builder – you’re the guy living in the dream world. I’m an IBMer and in my role I touch a lot of others in various divisions and other areas of IBM, including some very important work in areas like cloud and security. I can tell you ABSOLUTELY that morale is unbelievably low and people are not putting in the effort, and in some cases sabotaging products out of anger. What Cringely reported was based on direct information from more than one source inside the company. It’s widely reported on other sites, by many IBMers, that morale is incredibly low. Do you really think “all are giving their best” when many were just notified they’re being fired in 90 days with 4 weeks severance? How about the friends of those who got notice, think they’re happy with the company? How about everyone else that didn’t get notice, but has to look over their shoulder every day, waiting? How about the many who now have to pick up the slack for all those who are gone, with no pay raises but yet seeing the dysfunctional and failure CEO and board geting multi-million dollar bonuses? Dude, you are absolutely the one living in a dream world and smoking something. It’s insanity here. People not showing up for meetings and conference calls, not paying attention (probably working on their resumes), just not giving a sh*t, clearly.
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Is there any place where you can see a current list of everyone that refuses to do business with IBM any more? Doing a bit of casual looking, I found that the EPA at least used to ban them from bidding, and a more recent place I found is Canberra, Australia.
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Left IBM few months back on my own for a position that pays better, gives me more responsibility and I am learning more. While there are many good coworkers at IBM and I had good managers, the company did not seem to take care of its best.
New to IBM. The shine of being here didn’t take long to wear off. Working in one of their new IX design studios, I read so many good things none of which is true.
It’s hell. They recruited me by telling me that they hired all these really good people and they’ve already left! Spoke to a couple of them after I joined and the stuff is of nightmares. They need to get their story out and warn people to avoid, avoid, avoid. Only a few people know what they’re doing, the rest are cheap cannon fodder.
They don’t value design at all. It’s the sales weasals who are running the show. Judging by them the more weasally the better. Don’t trust a single one.
Then finding this site and it all makes sense now.
The whole thing is a fake front. Already planning to be outa here.
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Definitely IBM is on the top of Bureaucracy list, but after working in consultancy at IBM for the past three years (and about 6 major clients) I see it’s something normal for all corporations that are signing contracts with IBM. The bigger the company and the project, the bigger the number of people who’s only responsibility is to send an “Approved” email or ignore your request if it doesn’t sound familiar at first glance. Of course I don’t know the story about most of the employees being laid off, but honestly when you get a time quote for a VM to be provisioned by support in two weeks and you know it takes maximum 5 minutes, you can’t help thinking about how many billable hours are hidden behind that estimate ?!
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The chickens are coming home to roost….
https://www.afr.com/technology/ibm-under-fire-as-census-blame-game-starts-20160811-gqqkdu