Part two in a long series of posts about what’s wrong with IBM
IBM’s 2015 plan was hatched to deliver $20 earnings-per-share to the delight of Wall Street. IBMers were offered a carrot, a few shares of stock granted at the end of 2015, as a reward for helping them achieve that target. It appears that IBM’s goal is not to issue any of those grants as they continue to conduct resource actions (IBMspeak for permanent layoffs) and remove talented and valuable US employees in favor of moving work to low cost countries such as Brazil, Argentina, India, China and Russia.
Work that stays onshore is mainly sent to what are called Global Delivery Facilities (GDF’s), two of which were created at heritage IBM locations (Poughkeepsie, NY and Boulder, CO) while starting new ones in Dubuque, IA and most recently Columbia, MO. IBM’s public position is they are creating jobs in smaller towns when in fact they are displacing workers from other parts of the US by moving jobs to these GDFs or to offshore locations.
In the case of Dubuque and Columbia, IBM secured heavy incentives from state and local governments to minimize their costs in these locations and are achieving further savings by paying the technical team members, most of whom are new hires or fresh college grads with no experience, a fraction of what experienced support personnel would require.
Let’s look closer at Dubuque, not because it is any different from the rest of IBM USA but simply to characterize the company at a finer scale.
When IBM opened the Dubuque center the people of Iowa were expecting great things. The center was staffed by a small number of US IBMers in management positions. IBM then brought over people from India for “training,” then sent them back. Few H1B visas were even required.
Every time IBM sent a batch of trainees back to India from Iowa they laid off US workers. While Dubuque was led to believe they’d get an influx of highly-paid new residents, what the city actually received was a transient workforce of underpaid people — workers that may well be invisible to local government. It would be interesting to know how many permanent hires in Dubuque have been Iowa residents or graduates of Iowa universities? How many workers spend less than a year in Dubuque? Is Iowa seeing any benefit from the investment they made to open the IBM Dubuque center?
Whenever IBM has a big project they now have to bring in extra workers, usually from India. I have been told they plan the arrivals over several days to a few weeks. They route people through different airports. They make sure there are never more than two or three workers coming on the same flight, effectively avoiding notice by Homeland Security.
Are any of these people paying FICA or US income taxes? Good question. Why is IBM sneaking around? Better question.
With hundreds of thousands of laid-off IT workers in the USA, why can’t American workers be hired for these positions? Because IBM doesn’t want US employees. Or, for that matter, European employees, though these are harder to jettison.
Layoffs at IBM are rarely due to job performance, though complaining will get you sacked. IBM tends to position these actions as job eliminations, but jobs aren’t usually eliminated, they are just relocated to GDF or GR locations staffed by cheaper workers. IBM manages to skirt the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act requiring advance notification of layoffs or plant closings by structuring these resource actions to stay just below the numbers required to provide notifications at given locations. In this way IBM has managed to avoid the mainstream media and touts itself as a good corporate citizen while continuing to expect remaining employees to work 60-70 or more hours per week to keep up with the amount of work.
These draconian tactics might be justified if survival of the company or the best interests of the customer were involved, but they aren’t. It’s mainly about executive compensation. Meanwhile IBM’s work for customers is becoming increasingly shoddy. Contract terms such as vulnerability scanning, ID revalidations, and security implementations are routinely late or not done at all. Account teams are under continued pressure to meet revenue and cost targets regardless of how poorly the contracts were structured by the sales team. Each business sector has a target to move a certain percentage of their technical work to an offshore Global Resource (GR) or onshore Global Delivery Facility (GDF) as mentioned above.
IBM’s goal appears to be to have as few employees in the US as possible, maximizing profit. But doing so clearly hurts customer satisfaction.
Major IBM customers such as Amgen, The State of Texas, and most recently the Walt Disney Company have cut ties with IBM in favor of other providers. Many other customers are scaling back the services they’re buying from IBM as the perceived value continues to drop. Customers are starting to realize that they can directly hire offshore companies such as TCS, Wipro, HCL and Satayam and book the savings directly instead of paying IBM top dollar for support and then seeing that support fulfilled from BRIC countries.
When IBM first started its big push to offshore technical work, the account teams were asked to make a list of reasons why customers’ work couldn’t be offshored, but were not allowed to use skills as a reason. That makes no sense in a rational organization but it makes perfect sense to IBM.
first! omg!!!
You are all crazy and sick, IBM is moving to places that are developing, that’s all, have stable markets continue to be important but there are countries that are currently undergoing transformations and require companies like IBM are there. If the company was yours and you have 400,000 employees would take the same decisions.
Ricardo, your comment makes absolutely no sense. Lord knows, why don’t you survey the THOUSANDS of IBMers who have lost their jobs, seen their pay raises go down, seen their benefits cut, seen their quotas increased, seen their work hours go up. If even HALFof this article is true, there will be storm clouds gathering within months…
I must concur, but IBM constantly begs for Govt..ie taxpayer local projects and then ships the work off-shore
There’s more to this than just workforce adjustment.
Nobody (should) question IBM’s need to have a dynamic workforce as they transitioned from a hardware company focused on a slow-growth platform (Z) to a services and software company. HOW you accomplish that is what’s in question.
*Do you offer your existing employees the opportunity to retrain, or do you simply up and fire them?
*Do you put programs in place to accelerate retirement and attrition, or do you find legal beagles to help you skit US age discrimination laws to simply fire the 50 and ups?
*Do you move jobs around the world gradually and over time, or do you just fire people in place so you can do it all at once?
Hm?
This blog is really nonsense, totally fake and stupid. First IBM is working in some solutions to improve our lifes and our cities. Better planet, and an smart city is the key drive of IBM’s solutions.
This blog is only an opinion from a frustrated guy with an jealousy of IBM.
This is exactly the point. IBM’s marketing is portraying themselves as this wonderful company bent on helping make the world a better place. They tout themselves as good corporate citizens. While, behind the scenes they are a horrible company destroying lives through RAs, getting over on individual workers any chance they can get, and giving customers a crappy service vs. the amount of money they take from them.
The two above have their heads in the sand. When IBM uses their corrupt tactics on them, they’ll be singing to a different tune.
Yep, looks like a couple offshore new hires that drank the blue kool aid. Sad they don’t even realize they’re being exploited.
That is hilarious! They don’t have any solutions and the don’t intend to provide any either.
All would be ok if they delivered value.
Rodrigo…shhh if you don’t have facts and have not worked at IBM’s Dubuque GDF/GDC please refrain from making statements. I would have loved to continue my career at IBM but alas this is not the IBM I knew. It seems that the customer is the last thing they are concerned about. Its all about cutting costs or working everyone to the bone. So Rodrigo…. shhhhhh. Better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you’re ignorant than to speak up and prove them right.
Sure Rodrigo, Smarter Cities, Smarter Planet, as long as you are not an employee of Big Blue.IBM is systematically removing senior employees, ones with excellent track records, the ones who everyone goes to for answers and creative ideas based upon their knowledge because they are highly paid. I’ve worked with many of these so-called replacements IBM hired over the years. I do admit that they work longer hours than I did, I admit they try real hard. But there is a reason I didn’t put in 80 hour weeks, and only 50 hour weeks. I got twice the work done in half the time. So who is more valuable 1 senior employee making 85,000/year or two “real hard workers” that get less work done in twice the time making 45,000/year. HMMM.
Call IBM support on the phone, or better open a PMR ticket and use the same technical terms IBM has used on us for years. the level 1 support guys cannot speak, let alone write an intelligent response. Level 2 is barely better than them, although I do think some of them actually speak english every day. Level 3 and the developers, forget it, unless your datacenter has comletely crashed, you’ll never get them. Now you’ll see just how far down hill its gone. I had a problem with an IBM product, it was old but still under support, they took so long to provide a good answer that the product was no longer supported, so they just closed the PMR… I was paying for support, and DID NOT GET IT!!!!,
I live in one of IBM’s”smart cities” namely Dubuque mentioned above. I have noticed no improvement to infrastructure or the quality of this town. The 2 blocks around IMB look like they cost about billion dollars while the rest of the town is crumbling around it. Free WiFi is advertised all over town but basically does not exist. While all this doesn’t lie on the shoulders of IBM, they have made many promises but haven’t fulfilled them. This town was supposed to become a model for cities of the future, stop on by and see if that’s what comes to mind when you visit our own little hell on earth. This town has becomes polished turd.
Well this hits the nail squarely on the head. There were several posts from people stating IBM was not displacing workers. BS to that. What is outlined in the article and then some is actually happening. IBM does nt nor will they give a damn about the GDF workers. They are told they are expendable by management and it they are unhappy just to leave. I know because I worked there for over two years In Dubuque. They do not want American workers they are in fact using the GDF’s for India and Pakiistan training as outlined. YOu complain you are gone. Work ethic and abilities are over looked. Anyone with skills has already left. All that is left are people who either need the job, inept managers, or people who are misguided and beleive they will get ahead. Do NOT beleive it. If you in fact leave any of the GDF;s you will be black listed and unable to get a good reference from IBM. FACT.
I can confirm as a former employee at the Dubuque IBM GDF that this article is 100% accurate. I’ve gone to work for another tech company and I’m now making 1/3 more money than what IBM was paying me. What previous posters say about the poor pay, ineptitude and ignorance of the customers need’s is 100% accurate.
I used to be an IBMer in the ’90s and quit a great job with Global Services just so I wouldn’t have to travel so much as I was getting married. I regretted it for a long time. I hate what IBM is doing now but at least I no longer feel any regret at all.
Quality. That’s what’s missing. It’s what Steve Jobs would have pointed to (probably – I won’t wish to speak for him).
1. We know what Jobs would have said. Did you even read the previous post?
2. It strikes me that you don’t even realize that your remark is a condemnation of Apple, and a justified one. Aside from (sort of) maintaining quality, they are just as guilty of off-shoring as IBM or Nike. There are no angels in Cupertino.
Apple’s off shoring at least is quite productive. By centralizing a gigantic amount of manufacturing employees in one place, they can compress their prototyping process from months to days. This is a big competetive advantage in their business. And by using labor instead of automation, they can reconfigure a production line almost instantaneously.
For all the bad press about working conditions that Apple gets, Foxconn has no problem hiring. Those are good jobs by Chinese standards.
IBM’s off shoring, on the other hand, seems monumentally short-sighted. Off shoring services is generally a terrible idea. And the story that they are establishing beachheads in local economies is belied by their reliance on low-cost labor. Somebody committed to a local market would develop and grow talent. Is that happening? The anecdotes in the comment threads seem to indicate otherwise.
I’ve never worked at IBM, but I’ve worked in companies that were being looted by management, and this sure sounds like that’s whats going on here.
IBM showed me the door recently (fired me) after years of fighting them on quality issues. AlI wanted to do was fulfill my mission that IBM trained me for. That was to produce high-quality products. In recent years I was attacked and accused for not doing enough and or not spreading myself thin enough. Bottom line, I lost my job trying to accomplish the style of work and attention to detail IBM trained me for over many years. There is no longer any attention paid to quality and any quality measurements that exist are all worked-over to be sure they reflect what the exec’s want to see. This is on sick company.
As a current IBMer, I totally agree. We’re spread too thin, working on too many projects. Managers only care about meeting a date at all cost. Quality is not important at all.
In NY, IBM asked for and received a hefty a tax break and incentives to “bring 400 jobs” to the Watson Research Center.
What IBM neglected to tell New York State and the towns of New Castle and Yorktown was that these jobs are coming from the consolidation and closure of the Hawthorne satellite of Watson. …bringing our teams together under one roof while delivering significant cost savings to Research and IBM…
These are not new jobs.
internal only: http://w3.ibm.com/ibm/resource/res_hawthorne_relocation.html
H1B visa wise you’d swear you’re in Mumbai seeing the number of contractors from India working in there.
Dude there is a permanent Indian food station in the fricken cafeteria at Watson.
so what’s wrong with that? BigMac and KFC’s are every where in India? its payback time buddy…globalization comes back home and we start crying…you gotta compete or perish…
Except that IBM jobs are not the same skill set required for Burger King and Fast food restaurants. When working on a data center, you do not route IP addressing through Cisco routers with fries and a soda.
You may not be aware that IBM outsourced it’s own internal network to AT&T a few years ago. All IBM traffic and support is handled by an external organization.
Have a network problem? Help desk is in India, Configuration changes are handled from Brazil. You as an IBM’r need a change for a customer? Stories that would make even Scott Adams of Dilbert fame jaw drop.
IBM outsourced its internal network management to AT&T in the late 90s.
They have restructured the network for test labs multiple times to pay less money to AT&T.
I’m quite happy to no longer be there.
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You hit the nail on the head with as few words as possible. Congratulations! IBM is no different than any other corporation that must lower costs or the competition will eat them up alive. The world has changed and sucessfuil corporations must adapt to to it. I think most employees agree but some complain anyway. It’s human natre to do so.
Indian food stations are everywhere (well two places I’ve been at, but I daresay it’s the rule) – of course both of them have lots and lots of Indians so it doesn’t weaken your point.
As a native American (of European descent no less) who has rarely been out of the country, I would love this. American food is so bland and predictable. Yes, I like a lot of it, but seeing much more variety of food choices is a huge benefit to working with lots of foreigners. It’s too bad they are not being brought here and valued for what they can contribute to our country and culture, but just trained and shipped back so they can benefit IBM only.
But don’t knock the Indian food… it’s awesome.
Hey, and indian food cart has *got* to be better than the usual fare at the ever-declining cafeterias at IBM sites. You could say IBM is *already* gettng shafted right back, except you know the high mucky-mucks who selected that provider sure aren’t eating there. I expect the only reason the cafeteria provider is still there is some senior VP at IBM is getting a serious bribe.
Written by Greg Ball, 40th District State Senator
Tuesday, 10 April 2012 09:35
A few months back I stood alone, warning of my fears of relying upon promises from IBM, a global outsourcing giant, without getting those guarantees in writing. I simply asked that we get a confirmation in writing. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Alone, I warned our leaders that we should not reward these global giants with an even larger giveaway of corporate welfare, without getting confirmation that such funds would not be used to outsource American jobs. Not even a few years prior, we found IBM cashing checks from taxpayers while simultaneously patenting a new technology specifically designed to outsource New York jobs. Sadly, instead of learning from the past, IBM was handed another $400 million in incentives, direct and indirect. As small businesses everywhere are shutting their doors, I spoke out about the fact that this was an unacceptable risk without written confirmation to protect American jobs.
Now, once again, we are seeing IBM layoff hardworking New Yorkers. These new layoffs are deeply troubling and once again show why my demands that NY state demand specifics from IBM were legitimate. Let it be clear, a private corporation does and should have free reign to operate freely, but when they accept taxpayer benefits we must make sure that those dollars and our jobs are truly protected. We must hold IBM accountable for any direct or indirect benefits they receive from NY taxpayers. They have already received hundreds of millions of dollars from New York State taxpayers. We have a right to know what concessions were secured as New York decided to give $400 million to a group of companies that are known for off shoring jobs.
It is urgent that we pass my legislation (S6586), which holds any corporation or business receiving any direct or indirect benefits from NY taxpayers accountable. Corporations in New York State have received hundreds of millions of dollars from hard working taxpayers, while simultaneously outsourcing jobs across seas and laying off New York State residents. It is the role of legislators to hold these corporations who receive any kind of economic development funds from the state, accountable for doing what the money was intended to do, and that is creating jobs here in New York and not abroad. My legislation would guarantee that when New York state taxpayer dollars go to companies for economic development, the companies must:
• Stop shipping NY jobs overseas.
• Create permanent jobs in New York.
• Physically locate all NY jobs in NY instead of overseas or out-of-state telecommuting jobs.
• Provide full transparency in their reporting about their worldwide employee population.
• Not mixing NY state taxpayer dollars with private sector dollars to create overseas jobs.
• Disclose all attendees at the bargaining table when deals are negotiated.
The incentives handed to IBM should have in return delivered a commitment to keep jobs in New York. They also could have been divided into 1,600 or more small business loans, spreading opportunity to new businesses and entrepreneurs statewide. In fact, a portion could have immediately went to fix bridges, roads and crumbling infrastructure, putting thousands of New Yorkers back to work. Instead, we have once again made a deal, evidently without written guarantees, with a global outsourcing giant and the taxpayers are now left holding the bag as employees get pink slips. I don’t care if I have to continue to be the sole voice on this, this is unacceptable.
Why should NY be different than the Feds (and yes, I share your outrage at how easily our state government is fooled… on this and other things)… but the Feds still give a Tax Credit for every US job shipped overseas. Dubya started it and Obama, in three years hasn’t done a thing about it, even in the tragic recession we’ve had, he never fought to have that repealed. Might offend large contributors.
On the very day that I was being terminated (and yes, they got rid f so many NYers that the did have to give us warning) and my job and 5000 others were being shipped overseas to people not competent to do that work (I know because we had to train, make that try to train, them)… on that very day, Sam Palmisano (who got $21M compensation that year and $28M the next) was standing next to Obama in a White House Press briefing talking about saving American Jobs. Imagine the GALL it took to do that… oh, and he was asking for Billions in Federal hand outs to help save these jobs.
Now Ginny, who many credit as one of the primary architects of all this is the new CEO, and it’s gonna get a lot worse.
IBM has lost it’s soul, and the Watsons are rolling over in their graves.
Signed, Screwed in NY…
The moral of this story boils down to one thing: IBM management is really good at telling lies. I know because I’ve been watching them do it from the inside for over 25 years. One of the three IBM values is ‘trust and personal responsibility in all relationships.’ It is a shame and a sad reality that IBM leadership doesn’t live that value.
Every year as an IBM I have to take the test on Business Conduct Guidelines. It reminds me I can’t accept or exchange favors with customers or vendors. Okay fine.
At a St. Pat’s day event a couple years ago I ran into an IBM VP and a Cisco VP. The Cisco VP took the IBM VP to the Superbowl — free tickets, free airline tickets, free hotel, etc. The Cisco VP was looking for to going to the Masters in Augusta — with IBM footing the bill. An IBM corporate jet was going to fly them there.
It is clear BCG only applies to people below a director level.
Amen Brother. The top dogs continue to enrich themselves with whatever comes their way, but they set up rules for others to follow. Unfortunately, this is true with our federal and state governments as well. Sad state of affairs all around. If you’re not in the 1%, you’re in the 99% that doesn’t matter!
The rolling ball of words is getting pretty annoying after seeing
it a few times and being unable to stop it whirling about…
And it distracts from your fine work announcing the IBM actions.
But the ball is only at the top of the page, on the right side. After reading through the first few lines of the column, I never see it again unless I deliberately refresh the page and stay at the top without scrolling down. If I zoom in I can enlarge the text and simultaneously hide all the stuff on the right side as well. Using IE8.
On my screen it only rolls when my cursor passes over. That’s in both Firefox and Chrome.
FYI, on both my Mac and PC w/Firefox, it rotates about a half revolution on the post page when the page loads and refreshes.
No rolling or swirling at all on iPad. This may be a good thing.
For what it’s worth, I like the rolling ball of links.
(using Firefox) it doesn’t roll until I move my cursor over it
I’m confused. Why should non-IBMers care? A company is failing. Stuff happens. That is the way of the world, the circle of life, the . The old disappears, and gets replaced by the new. Maybe do a bit of rubbernecking as you move past the crash site, but keep moving.
That’s a valid question and I’ll answer it right here, Peter. There are any number of groups that should be interested beyond just IBM employees. Take IBM customers, for example. I’ll be addressing those directly toward the end of this series. Take investors. If you can’t relate to investors then take your insurance company or pension plan that may have money in IBM. Take government that sees IBM as a vendor, a taxpayer, and apparently an evader of labor and immigration laws. Take parents who want to teach their children good values. Take anyone who is touched not just by IBM but by any other large company that may be acting in a similar fashion. What worries me, Peter, is how you are NOT bothered by this. Our society is based on rules — rules that can’t be ignored by CEOs of big companies. You may be a cynic and say this doesn’t matter, but look at your bank balance one day and see it’s been looted and you’ll suddenly care a lot, because that’s where this is headed as the quality of our IT systems degrade.
I should be clear that I am no fan of what IBM is doing (and am well to the left, politically!) And to whatever extent they are breaking laws, etc., the executives should be brought to account. But…
I don’t see much in your piece about breaking laws. Deception and misrepresentation, etc., but not much outright lawbreaking. As a Canadian, I’ve seen a lot of American corporations doing the same thing here, and I don’t see you get worked up about that. Caterpillar just closed a locomotive plant near me, moving hundreds of jobs to Indiana (IIRC) where workers would accept half the pay and no benefits, abandoning a vast amount of skill and experience, after accepting lots of tax grants to maintain the jobs. All I heard from the US (well – from Indiana) was celebration.
The US, and the world, will be better off when IBM dies, and better companies eat its lunch, it seems to me.
One reason you should care is what often happens in one large multinational company occurs in other companies. From being on the inside I can safely say IBM exports it’s management philosophies to other firms. It has created software that it sells that commoditizes human resources just as you would parts for a car. The end result is a lowering of the standard of living for all of us.
This is an important point. When people want to know what the standard is for quality in IT work, or how much workers should be paid for given jobs, or what normal corporate behavior is, or any number of other things they look to certain organizations to see what they’re doing. IBM is one of those old, solid, conservative icons that many use as a measure of “normal”. If what is alleged here is true it really represents a departure from even the behavior of today, which isn’t great. I’m sure there are huge numbers of people who don’t realize how much this company that they use to define normal has changed, and how much loss there’s been overall in American IT over the past decade. In the larger world, beyond IBM and beyond IT, this type of act is normal in some regards. But it really does represent a substantial change that might be enough to really bring to light how the service sector could be following the manufacturing sector out of the country. At the very least the H1B visas are certainly being used to import India to the jobs whereever the jobs can’t be sent to India. I’m glad this series is being written.
As Chris E said, the customers of IBM expect them to be the gold standard, the A Team, for performance in technical areas. Here is an example.
A few years ago a significant Silicon Valley company I was a part of needed to outsource some of our Data Center ops, so of course IBM was a part of the RFP process, and the IBM team was one of the three invited to the final round before we made our decision.
However, when the final three presentations were complete, we were all nonplussed by the IBM proposal. Compared to the other two vendors, it was worse by a significant factor. Basic elements of the RFP were unanswered, the presenters from IBM sales and marketing gave non sequitur answers to some of our questions, and the air of comfortable ignorance on display was unnerving. The other vendors sent their A Teams, but we got the C Team from IBM. And this was no small contract.
Needless to say, we picked someone else. I have wondered since that time who the third vendor SHOULD have been, as IBM obviously received their invitation based on past reputation and not on current performance.
Peter,
The reason you should be concerned is not because they are doing illegal things. It is because they are doing immoral things. You are correct they are not breaking the law, but they are doing things that I would not want my children to learn from. For example, greed, not caring for your employees, etc.
Peter,
There is more to this world than just following the law. There is something to be said for doing things that you can be proud of. I care about my work but I also care about my co-workers, my community and my country. I would not throw them aside simple to make more money. There are plenty of people that will. I feel our country and maybe our entire world is heading down the path of “I am more important than anyone and I don’t care who I hurt to get what I want.” Its simple a culture change.
WARNING, its happened before an will happen again. Its never ends well !!!
“Never forget, everything Hitler did in Germany was legal” –Martin Luther King Jr.
Sorry – that is not relevant. It is just business. Capitalism, It is what Made America Great (TM</sup). It is Freedom.
I care a lot about people. I don’t care about corporations. They live, they die. The death is often ugly, as with any organism, but it is reality. I have lost several jobs when companies went under. I know it is not fun. But in cases like this is probably has to happen, and sooner is probably better than later.
Peter, You actually made my point. I am not asking to be concerned about IBM. I am asking that you be concerned about how it treats its employees. As with IBM many other company take the same approach. If more people cared about how a company treated there employees and stopped doing buisness with them because of it, then these companies would as you put it “die” or they would adapt.
I for one try to do buisness with companies I respect. This is not always possible but I do it as much as I can. I buy food from local farmers that I believe are good people to there communities. That said I can’t buy all my food from them, but I do what I can to make a difference.
Peter you should care as this affects IBM Canada as well. IBM Canada has somewhere around 8000 – 10000 employees. In the last resource action IBM Canada also RA’d employees. This has been kept quite quiet and I haven’t seen any numbers to show just how many Canadians were let go. I know that at my local office it was about 1 in 30. Unfortunately the people I am seeing targeted are those with over 20 years experience, usually in their 50’s and unable to bridge to retirement. Employee morale is at an all time low and I haven’t seen an employee satisfaction survey in a while, go figure.
Well I better stop writing get to work, as I have to start early before the employees in the emerging countries that I have to work with end their day.
For me I know it is just a matter of time before I get RA’d, but I am holding out for the compensation package as so many other IBMers are.
Think of it this way, business-creatures communicate, if a bad idea is not immediately rooted out, it spreads to other businesses, metastasizes into business curriculums and creates an air of corruption. It seems a bit late for shutting that barn door, but better to start the clean-up now than when it’s even worse.
Everybody should care! This is a slow death of a great American company. What or who is next? IBM executives are killing IBM whether they realize it or not. Americans are proud of what they make and what they deliver, and they care about their customers. TJ Watson and Jr. would be rolling over in their graves!
I care that it is going so slow. Anyway to speed it up?
I think it’s a pretty disturbing case study into American corporate culture these days. As an anecdote, it also helps explain why our recovery from the Great Recession has included only salary raises for top management while rank-and-file staff, including highly educated professionals, remain under- or unemployed.
Matt, You comment
Yes, you *could* do the noble things, and innovate, focus on customer service and all that good stuff. But that’s *hard*. What’s the risk-reward curve look like for innovation and customer service, versus that of outsourcing and contractual complexity?
My point is that we are responsible for this by the way we choose to buy our products. If we demand good customer service companies will provide it or they will lose buisness. This is how capitalism works, unfortunaly too many people now want the quickest, cheapest product, they don’t care if companies use workers in other parts of the world and make them work in terrible conditions. Its a cultural thing and I fear we may not be able to stop it.
So perhaps IBM is just a microcosm illustrative of the American business (not just IT) world at large.
Not to defend top IBM management, but as a thought experiment, can we put ourselves in their shoes? Their only real job is to increase shareholder value. What’s the quickest and easiest way to do that? US and Western European employees are expensive liabilities. Laws and regulations just get in the way. So why not embrace labor from developing countries? Why not make your company into a meta-contractor, so when something goes wrong you’ve got enough contractual complexity to shield you (or at least grossly delay) any kind of prosecution (see BP oil spill, or megabanks in general)?
Yes, you *could* do the noble things, and innovate, focus on customer service and all that good stuff. But that’s *hard*. What’s the risk-reward curve look like for innovation and customer service, versus that of outsourcing and contractual complexity?
Responding to groups interested in IBM’s behavior…
Customers: I’ll admit to being cynical, but these days, I just assume bad customer service is the way of the world. In my experience, big companies and lousy customer service go hand in hand. Good customer service is a boutique item, and comes at a boutique price.
Investors: Warren Buffet is a pretty good investor, and he thinks IBM is on the right track. Besides, if IBM is changing its business model to be more like the big banks, I think they probably will be good to investors. The idea isn’t so much to deliver actual products and services, but be a conduit for business to take place. A sort of “meta-broker” of technology deals: just make sure as much money as possible flows through your hands, skimming a little bit for yourself here and there.
Government: in the USA at least, the government is supposed to be representative of the people. I don’t think the government acted in the interest of the people before, during, or after the recent financial crisis. With IBM, yes, the government *should* care, but like with the banks, they don’t care (and/or are too incompetent to know better, and/or are corrupted).
Parents: at least we can say, with IBM, we have an example of a company that does NOT eschew ethical values and behavior.
I’m not so much bothered by IBM in particular, as I am by all companies acting similarly to IBM. IBM is another drop in the bucket, as far as I’m concerned. “Our society is based on rules — rules that can’t be ignored by CEOs of big companies.” And who wrote those rules? And who enforces those rules? If we go back to the big banks, then the bankers themselves wrote the rules, and no one enforced them anyway. That’s a pretty sweet position to be in, if you ask me. Even if you didn’t write the rules, and someone is actually enforcing the rules, you can still evade them with a team of slick, highly-paid lawyers working for and guiding you.
“You may be a cynic and say this doesn’t matter, but look at your bank balance one day and see it’s been looted and you’ll suddenly care a lot, because that’s where this is headed as the quality of our IT systems degrade.” I know it matters, but short of voting and spreading the word, what can I do about it, besides being depressed?
When the day comes that my bank balance is looted, I’m sure IBM will be the least affected. They will have far too many layers of subcontractors, lawyers and liability release agreements in place to indemnify themselves.
Maybe if enough people get their bank accounts looted, there will be a class action lawsuit. And everyone affected will get some insult of a settlement, like $15 or a 30% off coupon for select IBM merchandise.
If Warren Buffet is a shrewd investor, then perhaps he will rethink investing in IBM based on this article, which is one of the many reasons the article should concern people other than IBMers. Perhaps up until now his attitude about IBM’s strategy has been governed by IBM press releases which omit all this nastiness and mess.
Thanks again for writing this series, Mr. Cringely. Cringe-ly — how ironic, given what the reacion in Armonk must be reading this column.
Matt, you are correct of course. Remember though, those expensive liabilities, the laws, the regulations that just get in the way are what makes some countries more comfortable to live in. Those shareholders’ values don’t pay the social and civil services that we should never take for granted. Those services are paid by the workers who actually are the productive members of our societies and who pay the majority of the taxes that paved the road to your home. Your philosophy, taken to the extreme, and that is where it is headed, will end with the dead left in streets awaiting removal.
Take the example in my reply below: The other companies that hear the siren’s song of false ROI reports and follow IBM’s lead… right into the ground.
If foreign nationals are the sysadmins of the information systems that run America – with the access to the privileged information that ALWAYS implies despite whatever is believed – what is the state of US information security? You don’t need to develop a Stuxnet if your people are already at the keyboard. I am not talking about government or militray systems but banks, ecommerce, logistics, etc.
You understand and live the values that made the United States great. I hope more people do.
I am concerned about how many more people will be harmed.
If you have great investments in IBM, know that the top management, board, and Wall Street ties will be selling at peak value. This will probably be before their “2015” goals. Loyal workers with their 30 – 40 years of stock bonuses will lose.
Alas, IBM’s behaviour even affects its competitors. I work for a large multi-national competitor of IBM and the off-shoring has started in my organisation too. No doubt management feel that if they don’t reduce costs by doing the same thing as IBM then we won’t be competitive. We’re on a slippery slope.
The reason it’s worth caring about is because it’s a full-frontal reflection of how corporate values have changed in the last 30 years. In the 80s and 90s, I worked for Texas Instruments defense group, sold to Raytheon in 1997.
During that time our management was sincerely committed to quality and continuous improvement. It’s easy to forget that in the 80s, the Japanese ruled the business world. We had Juran and Deming quality training to understand how the Japanese model and processes worked. Over and over the consultants and commentators would decry American businesses and their short-sighted focus on quarterly earnings.
We applied for the Malcolm Baldrige Award every year and took it seriously, even won it in 1992, I think. There was a company-wide mandate that every employee take 40 hrs of training every year. We were early adopters of Six Sigma. There was a palpable corporate culture that truly reinforced the mantra that “employees are our number one asset.”
Sure I’m somewhat nostalgic, but Bob’s series on IBM serves as a marker for just how far American industry has devolved. We’ve gone in my lifetime from businesses actually earning their profits thanks to the ingenuity, productivity, and innovation of their employees, to the balance sheet and P/L manipulation of those “resources” for the enrichment of the powerful few with the mahogany desks. There are a lot of management sins covered by the mindless espousal of “shareholder value” and the accompanying stock options.
If everything Bob is revealing about IBM is true, and I don’t doubt it, I hope this portends the last gasp of this sweep of the pendulum, and not a new equilibrium.
Peter,
You should care because IBM is symptomatic of sociopathy taking over the governance of American business and institutions.
These revelations are not new for IBM. IBM has done an extremely good job of keeping a well cultured public relations persona and brand despite the company and its executives committing or being complicit to some of the most horrendous immoral acts of the seen in US business, IMHO. Even the death of one of its CEO’s is still debated as murder, years after the fact, and we can’t forget the famous tax evasion story by manipulating royalties in Europe and Japan in the 80’s and 90’s.
Sociopathy is taking over America, and IBM was and is one of the early adopters of sociopathic executives in my opinion.
These links ought to give you some current idea of the impact of sociopathy in America’s leadership:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-ascendence-sociopaths-us-governance
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/doug-casey-sociopathy-running-us-part-two
Even the Harvard Business Review, as early as 1990 was promoting sociopathic executive management by analyzing the business case for criminal behavior in their Sept.-Oct. 1990 issue with the article by Amar Bhide and Howard H. Stevenson titled “Why Be Honest if Honesty Doesn’t Pay”.
IBM is a leader alright….a leader in managing to promote a squeaky clean image and brand while charging ahead pushing the envelope in immoral executive behavior.
As a (older) Canadian, I’ve been living in an environment containing a substantial amount of American branch plants all my life. This is normal behaviour – they come as they want, grab what they can, leave as little behind as they can, and move on. The only difference I see here is that it is happening in the US, so now Americans are getting upset about it.
I am not suggesting Americans are any better or worse than anyone else in this behaviour – just that for the last century, they have been in a better position than anyone else to take advantage of other people and resources. Lately, other people have been in a position to complete, so the essential element of capitalism – competition – is getting tougher.
The story I see here is a company that can’t compete. It is reaching the end, and now operating in headless chicken mode, desperately searching for some magic that will save it. The idea that “great American workers” would save it is just as farfetched as any other bit of magic. It needs to be dead.
I have worked at IBM for more than 28 years. Everything you say is TRUTH.
FINALLY, someone has exposed this company for what it is.
THANK YOU !
Everything IBM says or does is SMOKE and MIRRORS. Nothing is as it seems.
It’s all about how much money they can make off a customer. They used to care about giving the customer a good product and the best service possible. Now, it is about how they can pull the wool over their customers eyes, so they don’t realize they are getting sub-standard service and being charged an arm and a leg for it.
If you have worked at IBM for 28 years then you are equally responsible for the corruption you say is happening.
Interesting perspective, and you are entitled to your opinion. You may say that I am part of the problem by way of my employment, however, I consider myself one of the remaining US workers with my finger in the dike. I am keeping the ‘new’ IBM and all it stands for at bay, if only for one more day. I still believe in honesty and truth and in doing the best work I can for my customers. It makes me sick to see what is happening. I realize that one day, my way of doing things will be overtaken by the breaking of the dike and the rushing waters will overtake me, but until that day comes, I will continue to try to make a difference.
I applaud you. You should consider taking your integrety and skills to a new company though. It would create more value for the rest of us elsewhere.
I think Alfred is right. It’s the old adage, “if you’re not part of the solution, you are then part of the problem.” “Evil succeeds when good men and women do nothing.”
If you want to continue to be honest, that’s admirable and the right way to be; but also stand up for what is honest and fair to you and your co-workers. Join Alliance@IBM’s union movement and start fighting back. Get busy fighting for your job, or get busy losing your job. IBMers in the US have had this option since 1999. Why any IBMer that loves this company so much; while the IBM doesn’t give a rat’s tail about them, flies in the face of all rational and logical thinking. It’s like Munchhausen’s Syndrome or Spousal abuse syndrome. Fight back for God sake, will you? Visit http://www.allianceibm.org and see if there is a location near you that is participating in the Informational Picket on April 24th. If so, then go there and stand together with your co-workers or IBMers you don’t know. Fight back “ibm employee”, fight back!
uhm…I am already a member. Why did you assume I wasn’t?
IBM is rotten from the head down. THANK YOU for writing this article on IBM. It needed to be said, in the media, for a long, long, long time.
The contempt the Board of Directors of IBM demonstrates to their United States employees is truly vile.
Sam, Ginny and the rest need to take their millions and permanently move to India.
They are no longer US citizens.
No one is hired by IBM in the US. They are acquired from takeovers.
Let me just add that IBM is a horrendous place to work these days. Most people are driven by goals and deadlines from people they never meet. In fact, outside of sales-related jobs, it is nearly impossible to travel so, unless you are co-located with your colleagues in an IBM facility, you will only see them once a year. And that happens during a customer “show”. As a result, there is no sense of camaraderie. Yes, I know work is not supposed to be all fun and good times, but how about a little bit?
The employee culture consists of infusing your dialogue (on whatever topic) with how hard you are working (to show you are a good corporate warrior). Then there’s the name dropping: “This is what Ginny mentioned in her meeting…”. Don’t get me started on the CYA mentality: some people are absolutely terrified to take a decision without running it by their bosses. And, finally, all IBMers are familiar with processes that start on some website, get sent to some guy in India who checks out the form you filled out, forwards it to Georgia (possibly a contractor), who then sends it to Brazil. There’s no way to talk to the Brazilian without shifting through the 3 (or more) layers of fat.
Many of us are waiting for the economy to turn around so that we can we can just give IBM the unwavering middle finger.
Work for IBM in 2012 is way different than working for IBM in the previous century.
Blueboy,
The tech job sector is hot. Very hot. You can jump at any time.
Why are the US employees hanging on? Leave if you think the blimp is crashing.
Seriously, if you can program anything at all, in any language, you can get a job. Please don’t believe the unemployment BS you read in the paper. If you are skilled as a technologist, there are jobs.
Or start a company. Bob might interview you in his “Not Silicon Valley startup” series then never publish the interview. Bob, are you listening!?
I have worked @ IBM for 2 decades. This article rings of honesty and the bare ugly truth. IBM tries to tout itself as a good corporate citizen. The truth is that they abuse anyone they do business with. Whether it is signing a deal with the state to bring one of the GDFs to the area, or the US salaried worker that routinely works 60 – 70 hour weeks with no reward, no extra time off or even a thank you…to the worker in any number of foreign countries who are treated as machines, doing one routine task right after another without a break.
No one is safe from being raped by big blue. Sorry to be so blunt, but they take advantage of anyone and anything.
Here is the latest example: IBM is currently lobbying NY State to pass a law to exempt technical/computer workers from receiving overtime pay.
A few years ago, IBM re-banded many of the technical workers to lower band levels. In this process they took away 15% of their salary base and put them into non-exempt positions. They were told they would make up the difference in their loss of pay via any overtime pay they would now receive. 6 months later after a new change was made. IBM mgmt told the workers they were limited in the number of OT hours they could work. 6 months after that, they were told NO overtime unless it was approved by 2 levels of management).
Pretty soon, these very same workers (if this law is passed) will receive no overtime at all. I’m willing to bet that IBM will NOT give them back the 15% loss in salary they incurred several years ago. But their hours of work will be increased substantially.
SAD. I hope exposing this company for what it really is will help put them on notice to clean up their act.
I was affected by that 15% pay cut and it turned out to be a 100% pay increase with the overtime. After effectively doubling my salary for about two years being eligible for overtime, IBM turned around and promoted me by making me a salary employee again, restoring my 15%, with a 2% promotion raise. Still doing the same job working the ungodly OT hours and not being paid for it. They play the game fairly because they can change the rules whenever they like.
60-70 hours per week? Wow! due to US pressure the factories in China that make Apple products can no longer do that. I think the limit is about 50 hours per week (not exact number).
The Chinese workers are not happy about it because they actually get paid for the overtime, even before the US pressure.
I work for IBM, and yes, it sucks relative to what it used to be, but how many of your are complaining about your 60-70 hour weeks but still cashing your $150k+ per year pay checks? Maybe it’s just my situation, but I have a bit of a hard time listening to everyone whining about working soooo hard and how evil IBM is for off-shoring our jobs when I find out how much most of the people I work with make in a year. They can pay 3 people in India a very competitive wage (not that they would do that, that’s silly!) and still be well under what a lot of “senior” engineers in the states make…
You’re missing the point. Just how long do you think these $150k jobs will be around for? If you missed Part 1 of this series, check it out to get your answer.
150K? What planet are you living on? I don’t make any where NEAR that number and I am a salaried senior technical person. I don’t even make anywhere near 100k. That salary figure you mention is for the sales and marketing folks in commissions when they sell the crappy solutions to customers that don’t work. The technical people in the trenches have to fix all those crappy solutions and present something workable to the customer. Why do you think we’re working 60 – 70 hour weeks!!!!
How sad these articles are, because they accurately capture the IBM environment. I worked for IBM for 42 years and only recently retired. Everything in the articles is true. We have to use ST chats because the Global Resources can’t speak English, there’s no respect for the individual, process is more important than progress…all of it. I worry as an American that we are losing key computer technology and our technical edge because we are “resourcing” so many jobs in China and India. I am surprised that our government is not doing more to key America’s key technologies here, but maybe I shouldn’t be. We have outsourced technology for our F-16 fighters to Japan, and I doubt that if our borders were “closed” we would be able to build ANYTHING anymore. And what a joke IBM’s “Smart Planet” is. Their analytics people are a joke once you get beyond the Watson project.
who gets paid $150k?
This is a great series, Cringe, from an ex-IBM’er (was RA’d last year after 16 years). What you didn’t mention was the other rotten aspect of the Dubuque, IA location – how they use it to save money on severance.The game is this:
– Send a letter/email to an employee who works in a remote location (typically a home office) telling them that in a few weeks their office is now in Dubuque (or Denver or wherever) (perhaps with a token amount of money to help with relocation costs);
– Employee tries to discuss with their manager that the move to Dubuque is a hardship and they cannot make the move;
– The manager informs the employee that if they do not make the move then it is the equivalent of them quitting their job, hence no severance;
– Employee has to make a choice – move (mostly at their expense) with no long-term job guarantee or quit (with no severance).
If only IBM could harness the energy of the Watson’s spinning in their graves over what a bad place their company has become…
I’m an IBMer. My area got hit hard by the most recent layoff. When we started getting the extremely gracious and professional “leaving for greener pastures” e-mails from our colleagues, they invariably said they would be “retiring” (quotes mine) at the end of the month. Turns out March 28th was the actual purge date when they physically left the building. Out of curiosity, I asked one of the newly departed why it wasn’t March 31. He explained that by jettisoning employees before the end of the quarter, IBM did not need to factor that quarter into years of service and paid vacation calculations. Respect for the individual, indeed.
IBM is advertising for 28 jobs in Dubuke – are you saying these are destined to be moved after filled?
http://jobs.accessdubuque.com/profile.cfm?id=43588
No, they’re real jobs to be filled at the lowest wages possible. What IBM is doing is moving work performed by highly technical (and competent) staff and moving it to one of two places: Onshore GDF locations, which are centralized body shops comprised of folks just trying to eke out a living like everyone else (median salary of $42K) or offshore global delivery centers. There is a high rate of turnover at the GDF locations as well due to low morale and the prospect of higher pay at other companies once some experience is gained. Sound familiar? It’s the exact same thing that happens in India.
Who told you the starting salary is 42k. I know for a fact, MOST of the entry level workers hired into DePuk, start at in the 28k range! Try living on that!
Right on the Dubuque pay. It is $20,000 a year lower than the Fishkill and Boulder GDF’s.
I didn’t say starting. I said median, there’s a huge difference. Thanks for providing real numbers on the low end of the scale. I have an employee that moved to DBQ to be a team lead, he’s top notch and makes in the 80’s…. or at least he did if he didn’t get the 15% cut.
If he makes 80k, he will be gone soon. That is WAY to much money to be making in Dubuque. The bean counters will run their numbers and find him. It won’t matter what type of top notch skills he has. But until that time, IBM will use him up like a wet kleenex and then he will be RA-ed.
IBM doesn’t want top notch. They want cheap, 3 for the price of 1 deals.
I,BM services have been awful for 20+ years. Now, more and more, that awfulness is coming from overseas workers.
Their sales agents *always* promise fantastically more than they can deliver. It’s not that they underestimate by 20 or, even, 50 percent. They underestimate by hundreds of percent. The pain of the purchase is merely the beginning of the ordeal.
They’re goners.
Be seeing you.
I know YOU, as a client, don’t care, but I feel I need to at least add my $0.02. I work for IBM, at least for now, and have often been put in the position of fulfilling those promises made by the sales-slime. The culture (and not just IBM’s, by the way) breeds this kind of dishonesty to make a sale, and when the contract gets thrown over the wall and we can’t deliver on the promises, WE are the ones who are in line for the next RA. Nevermind that the sales-slime is a lying, cheating, stealing crook…
Both these posts seem to be full of conjecture and hypothesis and no real evidence or information. There’s more actual information in the responses. I can’t imagine it would be that hard to call up the city of Dubuque and ask how many jobs have been created there, if any.
Dubuque doesn’t know because IBM won’t tell them. https://www.towncrierdubuque.com/the_town_crier/ibm-owes-the-citizens-of-iowa-the-facts
You may care about IBM, I certainly do (I work there).
You might also think that all this activity will somehow ‘save’ the company. I can assure you that very little will change because the suits don’t think it needs rescuing.
So we will continue to do more with less, be frustrated by our inability to create the sort of quality products we ‘really’ want to create, be amused as the execs fluster about when a customer threatens to throw us out, watch the suits get their bonuses while we wait for our seven shares to vest in 2015 (it may be a carrot but it’s a bloody small one) assuming we have not all be RA’d by then anyway.
We will continue to play the IBM version of Survivor called “the PBC Challenge” (losers get voted off the island) which makes you do stuff for the brownie points it garners towards your annual assessment rather than for any real benefit to the customer.
As far as can tell, it isn’t actually any better in all the places the work keeps going to either. Sure they may replace one US worked with 5 Indians or Chinese or Martians for all I care but they don’t have the 30 plus years of experience I have to fall back on and they are not getting any training either in the old stuff or the new stuff. How do you off shore, off-shored work? Where does it go?
The thing is, the people at the top of IBM are selling to the people at the top of big business and governments. They are selling a vision, an idea. Who cares if it does not work as well as expected. As song as it saves money, the target audience still come out ahead, their EPS goes up as well, their execs are happy. Sure, some like Disney see the light and walk but there’s enough people out there buying onto the vision for them to keep going. Who’s to say the competition is really any better at this level anyway?
In the end MONEY talks. IBM execs will only pay attention when the stock price and EPS drops through the floor, when the economy picks up and their sales and profits don’t. Fact is though, IBM can still sell a good story and that’s all it takes sometimes to keep going.
Me? I’ll be there until I find another job or I get RA’d at which point I will be gone. I shall not look back, I shall not miss it, I shall not shed a tear (but it does look good on the resume!)
Very good points here. Wall Street is about as happy as it can be with IBM these days and until that changes the direction probably won’t change.
Other big consulting firms follow the same policies of layoffs in constant scattered and small enough amounts so they don’t have to be announced (excellent insight). I’d noticed the change at Accenture several years back and wondered why it was being done – now we know.
Absolutely startling if the plan for ~75% US based layoffs over the next few years is real…. Presumably some or most of the other big consulting firms would follow.
How do you “off shore the off shore”? Simple…you call them Liquid Competitions. Don’t even need Indian or Chinese employees. They use a virtual sweatshop of IT people working on a 2 week contract basis.
It sucks for Americans but this is great news for India, China, and all the other countries where labourers have suffered for years and are finally getting what they deserve.
Not sure why the hate on IBM, things change, people move on. We must adapt to remain competitive, whether as a corporation or as a people. I’m pretty sure if IBM didn’t take these measures, the whole company would not exist and at that point there’d be 400,000 people complaining instead of just 150,000 or whatever the # of US employees are.
What’s interesting is the irony in some of the comments. Someone complained about how nothing gets done at IBM anymore… about CYA… and about name dropping… this is THE perfect opportunity to get rid of those bottom feeders who slow things down?
There will be collateral damage and some innocent civilians will get terminated too… but isn’t that an opportunity for you to leave the US and head to where the money’s at?
I agree things aren’t looking good at all for (North) Americans but really, you’re blaming IBM? I’m actually happy the company is taking these steps to remain relevant and competitive. 20-30 year ago was before Gerstner’s time and that’s when nepotism was at an all time high at IBM. A lot of these 20-30 year veterans got hired on not for their skills, but because their mother/father/brother/sister/friend/neighbour worked at IBM, so I don’t understand the hypocracy in criticising the current overseas newhires of lacking skills, when that’s where everyone started.
The truth of the problem? The US is going down. There’s the Iraq war to pay for. The Afghan war to pay for. The obese / health bills to pay for. The society has matured and if IBM wants to stay relevant, it has to be smart. Or else they’ll need a bail out.
Those 20-30 year veterans are not the ones screwing the company into the ground. And as for heading where the money is, good luck. Those other countries have enough sense to protect their workers and their economies and they will almost certainly not let us flood them the way we’ve been flooded.
By the way, we’re also a ‘smart city’ and we bought a whole bunch of stuff from them related to it, not only did we let them in here, and not only do they not have to prove to us how many people they hired and at how much, but we gave them money. What they did to the rental market is criminal. And for what? Serves ’em right.
As an IBMer for almost 20 years I can say I still have pride when I tell people I work for IBM. With that said these days I find it harder and harder to be loyal to the present IBM culture. What I’m left with is loyalty to my co-workers, the customers I deal with, and my paycheck.
During one of IBM’s 100th birthday celebrations this year I found myself at a table with a bunch of retirees listening to stories and sensing the pride they felt by being part of IBM’s history, the whole while I was thinking “it’s sure not like that today”.
I want IBM to be a better company which treats it’s employees with respect, innovates, and provides good products and services. Unfortunately IBM is following the rest of corporate America in the race to the bottom chasing profit no matter the cost.
Yes, the rotating tag cloud thing is annoying. It rotates when you first load the page then every time the mouse goes over it. It’s slowing the page down significantly for me. I’m tempted to put adblock back on and see the restricted format just to speed things up.
As a person who lives in the country you offshore, I think what’s wrong with IBM is not offshore. The top talents in India, China are as good as the best US people. With the globalization trend, you just have to do offshore. Even if IBM doesn’t do that, other big companies will also do. In today’s world, it’s really not about skill. Of course if they replace experienced people with newly graduated people, the skill gap is definitely there. However, if they are replacing experienced people in US with someone equally capable in other country, and they only have to pay half of the salary, I don’t see why they shouldn’t do it. So I agree that skill can not be used as a reason. You can find skill there if you are willing to pay more than average in those countries, and for most of the time that above average salary is still far lower than what US people make.
The decision of putting people in US or India or China should not depend on skill, but depend on where the customers are. The customers certainly don’t want to be served by a team of fly-ins who don’t speak their language at all. They want people who speak the same language, live in the same country and they can find during their working hour. So if the next wave of economic growth is in those countries, why shouldn’t the companies put more people there? In today’s business, putting all highly skilled people in US and all low skill, labor intensive jobs offshore isn’t going to work anymore. You need to distribute skilled people all around the world. Only by doing that you can deliver best value to customers, no matter where they are located.
While offshore is not a problem, the fact that they are trying to cost down everything, and for majority part of it, the human resource cost, is a big problem. Offshore is not a problem if you can find equally skilled people in other country, but it’s not what’s happening due to cost consideration. The problem is that they are replacing experienced people with inexperienced ones, and whether those inexperienced people come from US or other country really isn’t a problem.
Besides, they are paying subpar salary to their employees, and has no plan to raise it to a level that can attract top talents. In today’s business environment, you can no longer succeed with mediocre employees. You need talented people across the organization. Talented people are premium resource like star players in sports, and like every star player in sports, you need to pay enough to get their service. So the problem is that they are bumping out star players and hiring inexpensive but mediocre players, and for those remaining star players, they don’t want to pay what those people deserve.
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I agree with some of your point (using inexperienced offshore labor vs experienced), but this is at the crux of the matter. I recently left IBM (on my terms) after 11 years there. I was a key client interface on 2 different outsourcing contracts. I saw first hand how IBM management repeatedly told the customers they would see no drop in service by moving work offshore or to a GDF. IBM management was well aware they did not have the skills and experience that were needed to deliver the services. In some cases, even though IBM India was saying they did not have resources available, US management still insisted on the moves, so that budget targets were met. They had ZERO concern for the impact it would have to the customer. When customer problems arose, the mid to upper level management simply use the account team as the excuse and throw them under the bus. I saw how some jobs were hurriedly moved to Dubuque in order to meet employment targets with the local governments. Six months later, those same jobs were moved offshore to even less experienced people. I saw first hand how problem solving, by offshore resources, took exponentially longer. Even then, solutions usually had to be driven by a US based IBMer. In my educated opinion, these articles are very accurate and display the current management focus and culture within IBM.
Yet another shabby tale of unconstrained market forces at work.
“unconstrained markets” my ass. The US marketplace is highly constrained… IBM is just doing a terrific job of navigating the constraints– or better yet, spending millions on lobbyists creating constraints that expressly benefit not IBM shareholder, not IBM employees, but IM management. Abusing overly complex federal tax codes, taking advantage of local jurisdictions by gaming their stupid property taxes, etc etc.
The free market system took a huge hit in this country after 1865, was mortally wounded in 1913, went on life support in 1933, and died in 1971. Curious about the dates? Use the Internet to educate yourself.
Buckaroo, your reply is very clever. The world is run by global business and government elites…You should definately get the book, The True Story of the Bilderberg Group by Daniel Estulin. Looks like you may already have the book: The Creature from Jeckyll Island.
The only reason for outsourcing is to save a company money. No other reason is needed. None. Welcome to the 21st Century, putz.
That is the convenient myth some uneducated people would like to believe. Companies outsource for many reasons other than cost cutting.
Examples – Some do not view IT as an essential core competency and want to be rid of it, Some want to transform their IT capabilities more quickly than they could do so themselves. Some want the expertise to transform to new technologies. Some envision a need for a temporary increase in IT staff (new systems, merger, acquisition, etc) and would rather turn this over to an outsourcing provider to manage.
But you seem to miss the larger point of these articles.
Not necessarily to make the company money, but to make the executives at the top money. The whole system these days is about the redistribution of resources from the bottom to the top. The elimination of the middle class and the creation of a master and slave division. Very little “innovation” is occurring. The whole system is based on paper pushing and forcing those at the bottom to work harder and more efficiently while they are actual being told to do things that are useless and inefficient.
Basically those at the top do the outsourcing to make short term gains for the company (and themselves) while not really looking at the long term or bigger picture effects of such decisions.
If it makes you feel any better a large company where I work has been indianising its workforce for years but has recently decided that its cheaper to run a data centre in Manilla.. Ironically, all the Indian line management are raising FUD about poor quality and lack of skills and that it’s not the money that counts. (now they are being held accountable for the quality)
Needless to say the the upper management aren’t buying this from indians any more than they did from local resources, even if it is true 🙂
My prediction is next stop… Africa!
Your prediction about Africa is a bit after the facts 😉 There is already a Cairo lab and IBM tried to develop it at a brisk pace. IBM also aims for other locations in sub-sahara africa where labs could be opened and the local governments can be held ‘hostage’. This is no longer possible in India or China because these markets develop and there is real competition for talent.
But IBM is using another strategy. Ever heared about Generation Open or Project Liquid? I hope Cringely will also comment on these because if you watch the marketing video on the Facebook page of Project Liquid it sounds very convincing. But if you consider that basically every job can be moved to a freelancer with this platform …. Maybe if you can’t afford a local surgeon someone in Nigeria will do it from remote. OK, if he has the right skill but what if the connection is lost while he opens your chest …
IBM is already using crowd-sourcing to some degree on internal projects… I’m not sure if it extends to anything external yet… THAT scares me more than the predicted workforce reduction in IBM US because it’s something that no doubt other companies will do also and I can say goodbye to my career.
Regarding the IBM ‘Liquid’ program at IBM. Here is an instance where professionals in the US are literally forced to train foreign workers to do their jobs.
It is a devilishly clever idea: by insisting that a % of your work is completed by an offshore resource, IBM can leverage US expertise to train foreign workers.
Just to support someone on the forums who mentioned that offshore guys are also qualified skilled people. With all due respect to my former US colleagues, there are/were talented technical guys and gals in almost every IBM location.
South Africa had already played the offshore host. I was hired to do 2nd server support along with hundreds of others lured from IT companies within South AFrica about 6 years ago for overseas customers.
Except we didn’t get to do much, the 1st line support was moved from Ireland to India (which made it difficult for English speakers in Johannesburg to decipher some of the tickets) and what has been called as 2nd level support was nothing more than checking of backup logs.
So people started leaving, when you were responsible for maintaining the policies and infrastructure for large companies, explaining for the 100th time to 3rd level support that the reason the backup logs have errors because they have to clear some space from the hard drives got tedious. Being treated as a moron didn’t help either. So all those mid-to-senior level techs moved to better opportunities and were replaced by high school grads, so the quality of support plummetted. Then South Africans became too expensive and our jobs were outsourced to India.
I’m sure one of the main reasons for current complaints about skills is that as soon as anyone in overseas helpdesk and support centres gets skilled enough, they leave for greener pastures. In the end the customers get the short end of the stick.
Yes, to Nigeria! No doubt customer information will be safe there.
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This looks a lot like what Nielsen did when they set up their new core center in Oldsmar, with great help from the local authorities in terms of tax conditions and hr requirements… What they got was a TCS (Indian workforce) revolving door. Good luck to you all, IBM employees and customers.
Love your breakdown about Dubuque but it’s not a new story. Look at the legacy IBM towns, Endicott, Poughkeepsie, etc. They were always strategically located away from cities in order to control the environment, to keep employees tied to them and make it difficult to switch to a new employer. I even remember San Jose in the ’70s, surrounded by farmland … and oops, Silicon Valley happened.
There are so many important points in this dialog so I’ll pick just one for today. Gerstner turned IBM into a bean counting company, and the concept of creating value got tossed out the window along with 100,000s of dedicated employees. The executives and the sales teams have always made commitments to clients without a clue as to how they would deliver on the promise. IBM was a great company because they took care of their people, and the people somehow delivered on promises to customers.
Now that IBM no longer takes care of it’s employees, there isn’t anyone left with the skills or commitment to deliver on IBM’s promises (IBM has never had a culture of accountability, just annual reorganizations to shift responsibility).
Most people buy IBM because it’s a safe decision, i.e. everyone used to say “no one ever got fired for choosing IBM”. As corporate decision making shifts to younger people who grew up in a different world, the IBM buy decisions won’t be automatic … and IBM will win less business because of their poor fulfillment track record, i.e. loss of Texas, Disney, etc.
There are some valid points in this series but they are completely undermined by a LOT of incorrect facts. These articles are 7 parts sensationalistic journalism, 3 parts accurate reporting… but we all know that this recipe sells papers. Not sure if that was the goal of these articles or a byproduct of bad research, but either way this series has very little credibility.
Well, trolled, Sir. I salute you!
No credibility??? If there were no former IBMers or current IBMers replying with factual reporting, I would say your statement has merit. Even an IBMer in eastern Eurupe replied. And notice the sheer tonage of factual replies as opposed to those, like YOU, who drink the Blue KoolAid. And this is not limited to just IBM but applies to almost ALL American management in every company who think that IT work and workers are just expense items that can be outsourced to India. I remember at Aon when 140 of us were fired by CSC and the standard mantra on message boards was “got rid of the DEADWOOD and with just one phone call Windows problems are solved cheaper,faster,better.” One word by the way. OH, and those nasty old things like servers never crash to do they? And at Aon only 230 servers were infected by a nasty old worm after we all left. India is highly over-rated. You are blind if you do not see that IT as a career field is being destroyed.
And your basis would be? It’s okay to refute inaccuracy with fact but you’ve called something inaccurate without anything to back it. Have you ever worked for IBM? Your moniker might lead some to believe you have but if you’ve called Cringe’s article 30% truth and 70% spin, you definitely haven’t seen the IBM I’ve seen. It’s 100% true and more.
Nor have you cited even one example of the 70% spin, Tom.
One small error in this article… there is no GDF in Poughkeepsie. It’s in Fishkill.
You’re right, Bob, about a lot of things in your articles. The only people left in IBM US in 2015 will be the ones who are directly contributing to the creation of intellectual capital. Everyone else will have very little value, and will be viewed as costly overhead. Read that to mean they will be separated.
I work in services, and was on one of the accounts you mention as having been lost by IBM. I saw how fragmented the technical team in India was. The number of systems in these accounts can be many thousands, so there needs to be large tech teams to support them. There are some very good people in India, but they all have their narrowly scoped work to do, and the integration between teams is poor. It’s up to the American PMs to tie all this together. IBM management is disconnected and doesn’t want to hear about the problems with the churn that goes on between teams, so it never gets fixed. The turnover is exceedingly high, and intentionally so. People commonly get rotated off accounts in less than a year. I’ve seen people go to 3 or 4 accounts in the same year, and their unfinished work gets turned over to someone new, who typically takes months to get up to speed. It’s no wonder clients have looked elsewhere. The environment on these accounts is toxic.
A key point you missed with the GDFs is how they were staffed originally. If you remember, people from across the US were told their jobs were being relocated to these GDFs, in some truly forsaken parts of the country, the intent being to keep wages low. They had to move to them on their own dime, and if they chose to not move, they were considered as having resigned from IBM, which meant no separation pay. That was an ugly, unethical, and frankly, immoral program. But it worked, for IBM.
It is a fallacy to think that IBM can survive in times of flat revenue by laying people off to reduce costs. That isn’t just offshoring. That also means former IBMers who have been brought back as contractors at half their salaries, and no benefits. This approach is rapidly reaching the point of diminished returns, and will soon be ineffective. The company needs to increase revenue! What ever happened to “Innovation”?
The senior execs in IBM are in this for the short-term only. It’s the year-to-year numbers which drive their compensation. There is very little focus put on true long-term investments. How many billions have been spent on stock buybacks, which only prop up the share price artificially so earnings per share (as a key component of executive compensation) is high? What else could have been done with that money to make IBM a more viable company?
But, when the implosion happens, which it will, these execs will have cashed out their options, and will be sunning themselves at their beach houses, enjoying their retirement. I hope they’re happy with the life they built by walking on the backs of the thousands of former employees whose lives they’ve ruined. I know Randy MacDonald, a man of absolutely no conscience, will be.
Exactly. They only care about short term gains for the company which equate to gains for themselves. By the time the implosion happens they’ll be long gone and the damage to the company will be someone elses problem. This is exactly what I stated in a comment above. I’m a former IBMer as well and I was extremely saddened to see how this company (whole industry… society… world) is behaving.
The things written here are not “new news” but it is quite apparent most people are unaware of these happenings.
The truth is in order to stop this train wreck from happening it will take a lot more action than what is currently happening. Our own government enables this process by providing H1 and L1 visa’s when the truth of the matter is we have plenty of un-employed tech workers that can do the work in the US. I personally do not like comments from the government about how the US tech workers are not talented enough, so you have more push for additional visa’s. By the time people wake up to the reality, it will be too late for this company. They can only cut a finite amount of higher paid employees before they actually have to focus on the real factor and that is a lack of revenue. Thus, expenses can not be eliminated completely. Say goodbye USA employees your days are numbered.
I think one aspect of this is going little play.
Obviously, the people “who count” these days are OK with the path IBM and other companies have taken. Who counts? The people who trade in the stock and more closely tied, the board of directors. Other stake holders, like those PITA customers don’t matter much. The communities where these companies get all sorts of freebies from for locating there are just rubes to much of the corporate community. Employees? Just fungible inventory.
The stock market has gotten far away from being a means for a company to raise capital in exchange for a share of the growth through passing on dividends. Now it’s, well, I don’t even know how to describe it. Maybe a legalized version of gambling on fixed boxing matches.
Why is this some sort of revelation? Anyone notice the implosion of Motorola? Same deal. This is the new normal.
Back in the Bob Galvin days employees were valued as an intrinsic part of the success of the company. It was felt by the employees that the company truly cared for and valued each of their contributions.
Once the Galvins were no longer leading the company and they put the revolving door on the CEO office there began a steady decline of the company. Each CEO comes in and loots the candy store for the short term goals and pulls the ripcord on their golden parachute leaving the company in a worse state than when they started.
As for the employees, it all started with no longer being a skilled, valued employee but a “resource”. You were reduced to a plug-and-play resource where the thought was that any engineer the wide world over is equally competent to do your job. This made the offshoring argument work.
As we all know this helps the short term bottom line but actually destroys any intellectual advantage you may have in the global marketplace. We literally taught India, China, Japan, Russia, etc. how to do our business. We gave them the stick which they beat us over the head with.
I see the IBM games as no different than the games Motorola played. The CEOs made out like bandits and left a huge trail of devastation with the US workforce in their wake. The measure of success is no longer about building a company that delivers a great product and has a conscious but the size of your bank account.
Doesn’t take a crystal ball to see where IBM is heading, Motorola is already there.
As a private contractor, I would like to extend a heartfelt thanks to IBM for driving their business to the likes of me. Their clients will become weary of paying exorbitant fees for a dysfunctional existence. Maybe it’s time to raise my rates.
As a former IBMer who is now a private contractor, I hate the kind of company IBM has morphed into. I do pine for the old days, before Gerstner and the downsizing in the ’90s. But I’m a realist and I know the old IBM is gone forever. I abhor the outright stupidity, incompetence, and short-sightedness from the senior execs in IBM today. Yes, it’s a $100B company. But for how much longer? As Bob’s other article said, this isn’t my father’s IBM anymore. Heck, it”s not even MY IBM anymore.
Be happy all you want with the new IBM, but don’t so easily dismiss what was lost with this cultural revolution. A truly great icon of global ingenuity and success has been turned into a wasteland in the making. Mark my words – IBM stands for “I’m Bernie Madoff”. IBM’s economic model is unsustainable. When the udder is empty, this cash cow will be sent to the slaughter house to be turned into hamburger.
I joined IBM in the mid 1970’s and received a hearty “Welcome to the family, you’re set for life now” from fellow IBM employees I met at a non work related summer picnic. In 1993 some one asked me where I worked, I replied “IBM” and he responded “My sincere sympathy.”. In 2007 some one asked me where I worked and I responded “IBM” and he went on a half hour tirade about how his entire extended family was screwed over by IBM during the great purge of the Poukeepsie plant. Today I don’t tell anyone where I work unless it is absolutely necessary.
From a new hire perspective (14 months), I am proud to be with IBM and bleeding blue. These issues and strategies are not incumbent only to IBM, but to all publicly traded companies who are responsible for delivering as much shareholder value as possible. That’s the reality, get over it. If you were RA’d, and you have 20 years of experience, then it should not be hard to find a good job. If you are an “A” player and deliver results to the business, you will never be RA’d. Period. The problem is on a much broader, macro-econ level. If the Feds change the rules (i.e. work visas, lower corporate tax rates, etc…), then perhaps IBM and others will stop outsourcing. Don’t forget that this company is over $100BB and MUST be doing something right. I, for one, live and die by the success of my client and being accountable, trustworthy, and responsible in all business relationships- and I am a “Gen X” person. There are still good people coming in to IBM and fighting the good fight. My experience (15 yrs in professional world) has shown that every company has issues. It is how you deal with it that is the difference.
As a “new hire” I will forgive your ignorance.
Your are blissfully unaware of the reality. I have known extremely talented engineers with multiple patents, numerous accolades, tons and tons of experience that were RA’d. The value the employee is not a factor in the equation in many cases when it comes to bottom line $$$. As I stated earlier employees are now “resources” who can easily be interchanged. This is a dangerous and incorrect premise to base the business on.
Ya, I took me a few years to figure that out. During the first year I was so proud to be an IBMer….
They suck you dry and throw you out and the problem isn’t finding another job. You are right, this is a reality of the world today. The problem is that you will never have a stable job or life. You’ll always be fighting “just to survive” and all your hard work and effort no matter how great it might be only works to benefit those in the higher positions who are functioning like parasites. At the end of the day we are the slaves and they are the masters. I wouldn’t even mind being a slave if what I was doing was contributing to human progress. but the reality is that the entire system is not producing much innovation but rather just a ton of garbage. The workers at the bottom are pushed to be more efficient and work harder under more pressure but the reality is that the way they are organized or the things they are doing are inefficient because its only being directed with the short term greedy perspectives that those in power are propagating.
Very good.
What’s kind of interesting is how we, however you define “we”, seem to want to expand this brilliant business plan to government and education. It’s worked so well in industry, based on some measurement, that it must work for these arenas, too. Right?
We just need to figure out how to outsource or RA students and citizens.
” If you are an “A” player and deliver results to the business, you will never be RA’d. ” That is simply not true. In fact, it is often the “A” players who get shafted first. If you choose your account’s/customer’s welfare rather than following directives from your management, when they happen to be in conflict, you will be punished. I know because I had that experience more than once. I went from a PBC rating of “1” to a “2” and then a “3” because I repeatedly chose to do the ‘right’ thing for both IBM and the client regardless of what my management wanted me to do.
A grade employees not RA’d? The PBC process is designed to put peers against each other, weed out the relatively less-equipped, re-distribute their workload and repeat the cycle until a 1 or 2+ performer finds himherself pulling 60-70 hour weeks just to stay in touch with a peer performance target elevated to levels approaching exploitation through ‘doing more with less’ each successive year. They don’t pay enough to take that sort of cr@p and many, like myself have moved to better, more rewarding opportunities where selling the brand through your social network isn’t a pre-requisite to getting a pay rise.
“If you are an “A” player and deliver results to the business, you will never be RA’d.”.
Well, I am an “A” player and I DO deliver results…. and I am not an ostrich. It will happen, it’s just a question of when. You’d better rethink your assumption.
The reality is too that typically (at least where I worked – in a technical lab) most of the people are the cream of the crop. Basically IBM grabs the highest achievers from the universities, pits them against eachother and burns them out – discards them and repeats. Your PBC rating is not necessarily based on your performance. It can’t be. They only give out so many 1’s, so many 2’s etc. If it was actually based on performance it would be more like a grade in school. People get what they get. It is supposed to be based on “relative performance” which is BS in the first place but at the end of the day its not even based on that because it is usually subjective and ratings end up simply being at the manager’s whim.
Its pretty bad when you have a company attempting to recruit top talent people and then treating them like crap. This type of cycle will only invite societal degradation.
Oh, dear, ibmnew hire. I read your post and all I can say is HaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!! Please say you really don’t believe all of the b/s I just read. Trust me, it won’t be long before you get that call about the RA and you’re a part of those heading out the Big Blue door.
Having been a GS customer during the first half of the 2000s, I have to say that the operations couldn’t have gotten any worse anyway. When we moved out of there, the “firewall team” (as distinct from the “switch team”, who lived >3 degrees of separation away from the firewall team, even though the switches were smart and could do filtering too) were forced to give us the rules. They printed them out. It was like 40 pages.
IBM is doomed. All these smart engineers who are getting left behind should start another company and run IBM GS into the ground. Oughta take about 4 months, from what I saw. But IBMers can’t do that, because none of them can think, AFAICT, without 18 other people on the conference call.
Bob,
A lot of your information, I am sure, has come from the Alliance@IBM web site.
You could at least give us some credit.
We also have a section for GDF worker comments.
http://www.allianceibm.org
Lee, to be fair, this info wasn’t unique to the Alliance web site. Anyone with their eyes open inside IBM and particularly in services can spout these facts verbatim. I will tell you that I read and regularly contribute to a number of online forums that include Bob’s and yours. Just because the info jives with what was posted to the Alliance comments doesn’t mean Bob lifted them from there.
Keep up the good fight. You and Cringe are on the same side. The more exposure this gets, the better informed the public is. I’m not naive enough to think it will make a difference, but am glad just the same that IBM is under the heat lamp for their actions. Wouldn’t it be nice to see this type of story in a ‘Fleecing of America’ segment on the world news?
Thanks for all you do.
You and those on your staff get an ‘A’ for creative fictional writing and an ‘F’ on factual reporting. Calling yourself a union is the first factual error.
Sheesh … even when the Alliance guys find something they happen to agree with, they still find a way to whine about it!
Self-serving negativity will not aid your cause, sir!
It was the Alliance that broke the story on Disney and many others.
I am not a big investor, I have about 60K in retirement accounts. I wonder
just how much of the trend to very large returns for share holders are driving the decline in the way America does business. I am not against the investor
receiving a fair return on their dollar. Nor am i against management
receiving fair compensation. But it seem that the most resent crop of Presidents, Chairmen of the Board, CEOs, etc have a mind set that if they
do not meet some financial point that the world will end. This new crop of Leaders are in my book very short sighted and only think in the now not the future. But this is probably what the investor in America wants, high returns now with no concern for the future or that the present way American businesses are being run may mean that United States as we have known it will probably cease to be. Until the mind set of business leaders and government leaders change to think in the terms of decades instead of months the new status qua appears to be how can we pay as little as possible to produce, transport, service, support a product while charging all the market will bear for the product, or service
The disconnect between “Good for Business/Consumers/America” and “Good for Wall Street” is vile and dangerous thing. It’s been going on for ages, but it’s been accelerating over the past few decades and is reaching escape velocity. At this point they’re miles past “eating the seed corn” metaphors and are actively “lighting themselves on fire for heat”. It’s so dumb, it’s so painful to watch, and I fear for my kids’ futures. Wait, maybe I can get one into Goldman Sachs to support the rest of us…
The answer is “substantial.”
Pumping EPS works in opposition to company expenses; primary among these expenses are employee wages and salaries. I have no doubt that when you drill down on the IBM financials with an eye to maximizing EPS, the biggest line item diverting money from earnings are wages, salaries, and benefits paid to employees in developed markets.
So, the corporation has a choice; they can unwind their investment in high-cost employees slower and in an evolutionary fashion, with concern for the morale and lifestyle of the affected employees, or they can just swing the hatchet and lop off as many heads as the law will permit, without a bit of concern for the impact on these employees and the morale issues they leave behind.
Corporations like IBM who have chosen the latter path THEN find out that to deal with the morale issues (demoralized employees are less productive than optimistic ones) they have to resort to increasing levels of coersive management in order to meet objectives. IBM generally eschews the “yelling manager”, instead opting for a very metrics-based approach to management, with enough latitude in the scorings that anyone, and at any time, can find their personnel rating plummet, even though they have essentially performed no differently year over year.
Knowing this, and with the state of the job market, employees can be easily intimidated into working 80 hour weeks laden with ad-hoc tasks generated by incompetent senior managers and then cascaded downstream until they reach the worker who lacks the power to delegate further.
So, in a viscious circle, morale the decreases still further, requiring more metrics and more manipulation to keep the process moving,
The balancing act by IBM is this: can they keep enough workers working in the developed markets long enough to move the jobs to a developing market where the workers have more tolerance and less power?
So far, yes; the IBM scorched earth policy is working.
Well done. Very well done.
Though this artical hits close to home (current employee, watching friends and talent slip away while foriegn nationals with less experience and talent are sprouting like weeds), it is so well written that I’ll be a recurring reader.
You did, however, leave off Poland as a list of outsource sites.
The inmates ARE running this insane asylum.
Being one of the last to qualify for the old pension plan, more than the company’s future is dark.
Just to add some more dirt to the IBM’s image (as if it there isnt enough of it)
IBM is the largest producer of junk patents in the world
You should read some of those IBM patents… I did…
And it sells them at inflated prices (just under 1 mil per junk patent) a thousand at a time to other corporate monstrosities like Google
I wish I could sell my patent for 1/10 of that amount
Bottom line: IBM is NOT an american company anymore and it should be taxed and treated like a foreign corporation selling products and services to customers in US
Why don’t they move their CEO to Mumbai or Bangalore ?
Great but saddening articles. I’ve worked for a very large corporation which is not a US company but a big user of IBM products and at one time, a user of their education offerings. I can tell you flat out that IBM is falling far short of the mark already in their delivery of quality services and their products are no better than most others. So, while they slash US worker’s jobs they are also slashing the quality they were once known for. Nero fiddling, so to speak.
I think what is important is that the consumer markets have to recognize that IBM is no longer the quality organization it was and perhaps should start programs to seek products and support from alterrnative providers. IBM’s poor decision making may well end up costing other companies who rely on them, millions of dollars. You cannot replace an established knowledge base with garbage and that is exactly what they are trying to do, at their customer’s expense. We see it here every day!
Sad, but interesting to me that the decrease in quality is clear to many existing customers already. We have products now that are tested by teams in China before being shipped where 0 to very few problems are found. This is not because we are writing such great code. Clearly these teams don’t understand how to test the product. But they pronounce it ‘tested’, management checks the Function Verification Test box and off it goes.
I have been an IBMer twice, from 1984 to 1992, then from 2001 to 2009. The first time I quit (1992), it was my own decision. And the second time, I got caught in the 2009 RA. A few observations:
– As many have said, there are 2 distinct IBMs, and I would put the “tipping point” around 1993. Prior to it, IBM felt like a big family, and by and large we were committed to making good-to-excellent products, and really cared for our customers. When I came back into the company in 2001, I was surprised at the number of conference calls required for even the smallest decision. Equally mind-boggling was the number of attendees on those calls… Most of the time, I just put my phone on “mute” and surfed the net (on my own computer). Every now and then I’d grunt a few words into the call, just to make sure the others knew I was still there. I suspect all of my colleagues on that call did the same thing.
I was RAed in 2009, and never looked back. I now sleep like a baby, and actually look forward to getting up every day. I still follow news of IBM -after all, I gave them 15 years of my life- and I still take a look every now and then at the website of the Alliance. May be this is blasphemy, but I think the Alliance is completely useless. They have been around for how many years, and what have they accomplished? There are quite a few other websites about IBM (such as this one) as well as several Yahoo groups started and maintained by ex-IBMers. The information that the Alliance claims to gather is also available on those websites. This is a free country, so we have the right to do what we want. More power to those of you who have joined the Alliance. As for me, I think it’s a complete waste of time and money.
The Alliance is not a website or a discussion board, so comparing it to something like the yahoo boards isn’t really pertinent. The Alliance is a group of IBM employees attempting to form a union. What exactly do you expect them to accomplish given the lack of participation by sheeple-minded employees who believe that if they just keep their PBCs in order, they’ll get to keep their jobs with no salary cuts, increased hours, or loss of benefits? A union is only as strong as its membership, and with the lack of participation and massive attrition, the Alliance does a fine job of doing those things it can do without having a formal union in place. Those things include – getting information to the press, running email campaigns to congress and to IBM employees, organizing action days, and providing information to employees. The good news is that once IBM has cut nearly all the US employees, it should only take a handful to form a union. Of course, by then it will be too late.
Very disturbing excellent articles. The comments from former IBM’ers add alot of support to the described processes and goals (78% US workers gone between now and 2015 is just astounding).
Very sad, very immoral, very bad for the country – IBM will make its bed and will get to lay in it.
It is always interesting that many former and current IBMers endorse and embrace these essays, while a few – very few – contrary opionions surface with the usual suspects being lack of facts, erroneous conclusions and that these are written on pure conjecture only. IBM is obviously NOT the firm it was under the Watsons – how could it be? Times do change but IBM is not changing for the better as evidenced by the many FACTUAL comments and replies from the IBM troops who are in the front lines!!!! Again, IBM lost a contract to do a Data Center in TEXAS, and if there is thing that IBM should do great and well it is design and manage a DATA CENTER!!! Maybe the comment about Burger King jobs so far above applies to the skill level of IBM in India!!! And AstraZeneca too bolted taking a $1 billion, BILLION READ THAT, account out the door.
Robert, I’m not sure what your point is about how few contrary opinions there are. Do you mean in the press or in the comments here? Are you commenting on the lack of current IBMers chiming in saying, “Oh no Mr. Cringely, you’ve got it all wrong.”? There is a reason you won’t find those comments, it’s because this series of articles reflects the experience most of us who walk inside the halls of U.S. IBM have sadly paid witness to.
And sad, it is. And being sad does not help our productivity either. These people who are told their services are no longer desired are GOOD people. They coached our kids in Little League. They worked weekends for IBM for years. They paid their taxes and their dues and once upon a time, they gave it their all to produce a product they were incredibly proud of.
But I digress — I’m not sure what surprises you about the lack of contrary opinions?
Sorry – apologies if that was poorly typed. Contrary opinions are those who are shills and spout the IBM line, koolaid drinkers, etc. That only shareholder value matters, that anything Armonk does if fine, IBM fires very few people, etc. The vast majority of comments here support Cringley and the nay-sayers who support Ginny, Sammy and Louie are very few indeed. I was with a BP in 1990-1992 so while a short term IBMer one step removed, I remember well the Akers memo and the loss of so many talented people during the 1992 bloodletting.
Bob, it seems we all missed the Job Fair in Dubuque but if you hurry you may still apply :
https://www.thonline.com/news/tri-state/article_03a53ea9-abc1-56da-afdd-52dcb89cb84a.html
Peter D
What would be interesting to see would be someone bribing the required government officials such as to take over those facilities and their workforce in those off-shore countries. Most of the governments there are corrupt enough for such a situation to occur – allow a company to move most of its resources there, then a local “manager” pays off the officials to let them take over the company, ultimately making out in the end.
If that happened once or twice, you’d probably see a lot of companies reconsidering these kinds of plans. It hasn’t happened yet – but it probably will. Who knows, may be there’s a bigger plan to do just that and they’re waiting for the right moment to do it to everyone at the same time.
True, the US through the UN would probably fuss a bit; but there’s not likely much that could be done in the end; especially if they time it right so as to deal a death blow to the US company in the process – thereby ensuring they won’t be around long enough to keep fighting to get back their resources.
This is exactly the same story at EDS / HP. I saw the same thing in my 2 years working for them. I couldn’t stand it so I left. Of course it cost me 20k a year. At least I can look at myself in the mirror. I hated the fact they were just stealing from customers (shoddy work and billing for employees in Global Resources that were doing nothing). Harder to track them if they are in different countries.
As a current IBM’r (outsourced from Loopy Technologies in 1996) I agree with Mr Cringely’s assessment of the IBM’s “plan” we see it every day. At the end of March 1800 were RA’d with another 2200 projected its the BLUE way to play these games. Some folks were alerted so that they could possibly delay the inevitable. Some were moved or urged to take another position in the same organization as in hint hint the group you manage is going to disappear next. I now report to a manager in Mexico (you forgot that country, Bob) so we know where and who is going to be our replacements. We support IBM internal apps, I have their largest revenue app and have to work 7 days a week to support it. The off shore folks are smarter than I they don’t do that. Nothing gets fixed due to budget. Every thing has to have a ticket including potty breaks. My LT is from 2005. Its been replaced with same model 5 times. We used IBM generic software which is not maintained. Not only is it Not your fathers IBM its a mess.
I worked for IBM for 16 years and actually enjoyed the first 13, working with inspired experienced competent U.S., Canadian, and European professionals who actually believed in delivering high quality work with a sense of urgency. The last three years were spent watching those high quality workers being RA’d like used trash, and replaced by cheap, useless, inexperienced, entry level offshore staff and disposable contractors.
The sev 1 calls were painful, if not hilarious. A common example would be sitting on a sev 1 call where the offshore techs could not verbally communicate, frantically using Google searches to look up ways to resolve a problem on a platform they are supposed to be experts on.
I quit IBM in disgust after having to fix too many goat rodeo clusterfornications caused by the incredible technical incompetence that now defines IBM. IBM is like a blue whale, with sharks (those who run the corp.) taking huge bites out of it and running off to gorge themselves; the death is slow, but inevitable. Good luck to anyone who signs a service contract with IBM; you will be “serviced” and not in a pleasurable way.
I work for a 3-letter agency. We (IT) have been going through overlapping “reorganizations” for the last 10 years. The things reported here about IBMs staffing efforts reflect exactly the same efforts in our group. Skills and experience are thrown aside for cheap (clueless) labor. Our customer satisfaction has plummeted but directions from “on high” only accelerate the frenetic effort to layer more processes on top of existing (flawed) processes.
When some new idea gets floated it nearly always comes with a comment from our management (or from the consulting company that has their ear) that IBM was used as a Case Study.
I love my career. I respect my local colleagues. I used to feel like I made a difference. I hadn’t planned on retiring (36 years in so far) but they seem determined to create an environment where I have no other choice. Yet I know that only helps someone bury us that much faster.
One thing I would like to address more thoroughly is the shift in the underlying economics of IBM. Being an old timer (62), I remember the heyday of the Model 360 System and it’s immediate successors. It revolutionized the commercial computer business and essentially put almost all IBM competitors out of business. IBM was effectively a monopoly, and enjoyed monopoly rates of return, which financed the family atmosphere, generous salaries and benefits, and high level of investment in ongoing research. The US government tried for years to get IBM deemed a monopoly and have them broken up. IBM managed to litigate the issue for decades until the ongoing march of technology destroyed the monopoly.
And let’s not forget the ethics of the IBM of that era. For example, if a VP of Data Processing selected something other than IBM, a higher level IBM exec would contact the CEO and suggest that the VP was an idiot. CEO’s were so technology ignorant that they would buy into this line of bull, and override the decision. It was not unusual for IBM to get an uncooperative customer employee fired. In my experience, IBM ethics have been questionable for a long time.
But monopolies don’t last forever, and the minicomputer and then the PC revolution stripped IBM of it’s high margins forever. When the high margins went away, the culture they financed was doomed. The only option left was a shift to services. But services (of almost any kind) are a business in which it is very difficult, if not impossible, to develop a significant competitive advantage that allows the firm to maintain high margins. Read Michael Porter’s book, “Competitive Advantage,” for the classic analysis. In services, price/cost becomes the primary means of competition. Once the revolution in telecom came along, it was inevitable that IBM, and every other company competing on cost, would develop strategies to take advantage of those costs. Trying to stop that thrust is equivalent to King Canute trying to keep the tide from coming in. That’s simply the reality we have to face.
I don’t mean to imply that I agree with everything that IBM has done. The story is rife with highly unethical actions, such as Dubuqe, and laying off employees just short of quarter end to decrease their retirement benefits. If they’re not illegal, IBM should be pilloried in the court of public opinion for how they’ve gone about their changes.(By the way, IBM employees of that era weren’t nearly as concerned with the company’s lack of ethics when they benefited directly from them, as opposed to now, when they are on the short end of the stick.) Bob is to be commended for bringing light to these actions.
The past can’t be changed, nor can the economic and sociological forces driving the future. The important thing is what to do next. If you are an IBM employee in the US, Bob has clearly laid out for you what is going to happen. You must make an individual decision on how you will respond. It should not be based on nostalgia for the ghost of IBM past; it’s gone. Don’t become a victim.
If your are an investor, you need to be very cautious about the stock. Some of you have insightfully pointed out that there is a limit to cost cutting. In evaluating the future performance of the stock, you must come to some opinion about when this point will occur, and take action accordingly.
If you are a state or local government, it’s crazy to extend any tax benefits to IBM. If you are a citizen of an entity that is presented this “opportunity,” please make your opposition known to you elected representatives. If fact, you might do a pre-emptive strike and register your opposition now.
If you are a competitor, I would expect you to be even more outspoken about how drastically IBM is underperforming in their services contracts and to offer a clear explanation of how your approach is better. There recent losses are public information, so it’s no big secret.
If you’re a corporate leader responsible for services, you need to be highly skeptical of the benefits from outsourcing touted by IBM. I once was on the negotiation team for a multi-billion dollar outsourcing of a number of my company’s service functions. (We weren’t considering IBM.) It became clear very quickly that it is very difficult to define service levels in the contract in such a way that the provider can’t screw you. As a generalization, any company with the scale to handle it should work directly with the foreign service providers. Even a well done outsourcing agreement must be monitored and managed on a daily basis.
It’s very sad to see an organization that did so many beneficial things become a mere shadow of it’s former self. But check out how many of today’s leading companies were around fifty years ago. Change is inevitable, but being naive about it is not required.
Good point here on the stock.
A company that operates in an entirely sociopathic fashion is almost always cooking the books somewhere. If 100% of your corporate objective is to pump the stock price (with 0% in creating a skilled and loyal workforce) you will OF COURSE find a penny or two here and there if you need it to make your quarter.
Sometime in the next five years, IBM will have a earnings miss, and that will be followed by certain inquries into accounting practices, followed by restatement of earnings for prior periods.
Put it in the bank.
Great article!
As an ex-IBMer I can say its an accurate description of the Big Blue of today.
One of the most demoralizing places you can ever work. For half of my career I was lucky to experience a little of the old IBM and was very proud to work there. The other half was spent dodging RA’s. I made it through 5 before I got hit. The PBC rating system is an absolute joke and has nothing to do with performance.
I watched a highly skilled support team reduced to a demoralized support team playing the metrics game. Our jobs became more about making someone’s Brio chart look pretty more than doing our actual jobs.
In retrospect being RA’d in 2007 was the best thing that could have happened. I enjoy my sleep now 🙂
One of the areas which I’m concerned about (and I don’t think it’s been picked up on yet): what about those development groups in places like Endicott and Poughkeepsie that developed key systems software for critical mainframe operating systems such as z/VM and z/OS who are now seeing their work being offshored to places like China? Such systems software is at the heart of key national infrastructure such as the banking system and many major government systems. If parts of that code are now going to be developed/supported out of places like China (or India) doesn’t anyone else see that as a potential problem?
For example a major government agency running an operating system that has an object code only module in it that’s been written in China… hmmm…. I think the word needs to get out here folks that IBM is making decisions based on short term greed which could in all seriousness detrimentally effect us all down the track (not being over-dramatic, we all use ATM’s, have bank accounts, use airlines etc. don’t we?).
We were run by lawyers in the 80’s (antitrust), sales in the 90’s, and MBAs in the 2000’s. The MBAs all have NO job experience, arrogance unmatched, a maniacal reliance on analysts and consultants to “guide” them, and have been taught to believe in consultants who advocate sending jobs overseas as the primary means of increasing profit (by cutting costs in the face of level or lower revenue).
The MBA’s are WAY to stupid to figure out that the offshore philosophy ONLY works for a low- to semi-skilled workforce (such as manufacturing, where the now-popular consultants made their names). But when you get into the skilled workforce, the equation changes and the workforce is not a replaceable cost item, but a difficult-to-replace asset. There are not enough highly-skilled people in the BRIC countries to replace the experienced Americans and Europeans at the rate they are being released. But MBAs who don’t know what they are doing shouldn’t be expected to figure it out. When the bottom line suddenly dips below positive, they’ll still be clueless.
When you see a clueless idiot managing your unit, find out where they got their MBA and how much “real” work they have actually done. I’ve been checking lately and I am finding out that the people I least respect for their total lack of skill and knowledge all have MBAs and absolutely no experience in anything. And it shows.
I work for IBM, and we still have a few competent non-sales workers left in non-GDF locations. But my role leaves me in the position of trying to develop future roadmaps with a customer knowing all the while that we don’t have the skill to deliver. It’s gone on long enough now that the customer is well aware that we can’t deliver and my conversations and work have no credibility.
When I get pulled into operational issues, the pain of these stories is felt every single time. It blows my mind to consider how long it takes to deliver a simple project or to troubleshoot remedial issues with any intelligence.
Knowing these strategies are out in the open, it would be nice to time a new job with a nice severance package.
I agree with the basic premise of the story. It does remind me of the manufacturing industry – why buy a Nike shoe, when I can buy the no-name brand, made in the same factory, by the same people, or at a better factory?
I just read an article about a small carbon bike frame manufacturer in China, that makes 1,000 frames/month, sold by the big European brands. It won’t be long before people get smart and look past the big names, that are going for the largest profit, and find the company quietly making the best, most advanced frames, at a good price. In the 70s, why would you buy a Cadillac, when you can buy a reliable Hondas and the Toyotas that are cheaper and better? Sure, Cadillac had the name, but (newbies take note), this is not your grandfather’s GM.
Satyam? Wipro? We hardly know these names in America, but maybe they will quickly become the Lexuses and Acuras of the consulting world.
On the plus side, IBM *was* a great place to work. Great people, and they worked to get the job done despite of the odds, especially the bureaucracy mentioned here, difficulties due to the size of the company, and just plain stupidity. These were the challenges that made the job fun, and one feels a kinship with ex-IBMers one may not feel with other companies, for some reason, even though the days of memorizing the company song are long gone.
However, I have a sizable amount of savings in IBM stock, and figure they are running on the goodwill, on the shoulders of former employees, and by getting rid of the employees – what do you have left? SCO?
As an ex-IBM employee I was delighted to learn recently that Australian Government departments that have been burnt from long-term associations with IBM Global Services are blacklisting IBM products (Tivoli *) from any future system deployments.
To All Americans: If your company wants you to train a foreigner to do your job, teach them how to do it wrong. Let them go back to the rat-hole countries and fail, then maybe these companies will learn that they can’t do this to the best workers in the world.
I’ve had the misfortune to work with IBM G/S two times – both very messed up. One for an ERP implementaion, and the second time when they operated the help-desk
support center at a company I was contracting at ( they have since been kicked out ).
Let me tell you in simple terms: they suck fucking shit.
The ERP implementation was a complete disaster ( 1st experience ), half way through the project we jettisoned them and just did the rest ourselves. When they come to
pitch the project, they have these slick non-slum-dogs come in with their fancy suits to tell you how great it’s all gonna be. But, that’s not who shows up to “do” the
work. They send you the worst, most stupid tatti-job-robbers from mumbai, and that’s about the same time that your project goes into the toilet. Most of the people
they sent over couldn’t even speak English, or they were “senior level experts” that had six months in training at best.
The worst part was, you would have a job-robber here for six months doing the mumbai-mumble ( you couldn’t even understand them, communication being very important
with IT projects of course ), but then they would just leave – and you would have to start all over again with some new “senior-level” mumble-mouth idiot. It really
sucked.
At the second place, where IBM G/S manned the the help-desk, it was nothing but aggrivation. Everytime I knew I would have to open a ticket, my blood pressure would go
up. I knew my ticket was either going to be assigned to someone who didn’t know what they were doing and/or who wouldn’t be able to communicate, usually both. Pretty
much everyone at work had the same exact experience. I would say that about 1/2 the time, I would just give up on what I needed to get done, as the environment was set
up so that you could only get tasks done via the shitty IBM G/S help desk. Managers would get angry, tasks would fail to be completed on time, people would sit around
and wait for days for simple access grants to be completed, back and forth with the mumbai-morons over and over again, trying to get them to do simple things. On one
occasion with a fellow contractor, the IBM G/S help-desk dumb-ass wouldn’t even talk on the phone ( again, they can’t communicate ), and insisted the my friend only
communicate via instand message. That ended up making the whole expience, that should have lasted about 5 minutes, take over and hour…
If Thomas Watson could see IBM today, he would most likely get sick and throw up. IBM is nothing compared to what it used to be. It’s gone the way of H/P, and become a
haven for AN pieces of shit. I would never recommend them. How’s that for saving money…???
One other thing, if india is so great and full of “super smart” people, how come they all want to come over here? I don’t want to go there, and no one I know wants to
go there….seems odd…
As a ax payer in any of the places in which IBM has negotiated tax breaks with the promise of “creating jobs,” we should care. I live and work in Iowa. I care, although I am not urge what I can actually do about it.
I work for a small company that is an IBM competitor. This article describes exactly what my company is doing in order to compete with IBM – moving jobs offshore. Its not just the big companies doing this now, where will this leave the IT industry in the US?
It leaves U.S. IT in shambles, of course, but those being serviced by the new model also suffer. Few GR developers at IBM have extensive experience with Javascript or CSS, core web technologies. I have seen funded projects linger for 9 months or longer because we can’t find ‘resources’ with these common web skills. In one case, it was obvious their ‘skills’ were from one of those Dummies books. You get what you pay for…
IBM’s outsourcing model is abetted by a core executive principle: plausible deniability.
One way you know quality is affected is to Measure it. If you want to pretend all is well, you can choose not to measure it or to measure it wrong. Both are happening, and making the execs aware our remaining measures are a sham is the surest way to get a low PBC and end up next on the RA list.
IBM has turned into a loathsome slime ball. I’m dropping the stock tomorrow. I can’t morally invest my money in a business whose philosophy I do not agree with.
When I joined IBM, I was ecstatic! I was told they have never laid off & do not plan to!!! Well after 17 years of dedication, numerous awards/plaques… I was laid off. The day I was laid off, they told me they would hire me back in about 2 months. I found out that by LAW, they have to wait 60 days before they can hire you back as a contractor. So I collected unemployment for 2 months, then they offered me a job in the same development lab at 80% of what I was being paid when I got laid off! They know all the laws and how they can screw you… IF you turn down the job at 80% pay, they contact the state, and tell them you refused work! So the state stops paying your unemployment because you turned down work!
Then upper management get awards & raises because they screwed numerous employees by doing just what I described! What a great company!
1000’s of IBM’ers retired with LIFE TIME MEDICAL BENEFITS for FREE…
So they thought! All of those 1000’s are now having to pay for their medical benefits on FIXED INCOME! This was a VERBAL CONTRACT, and the Government does nothing! GREED HAS TAKEN OVER!
Mr. Blow, I am sorry but I feel no pity for you. As a matter of fact, based on your comment, IBM should fire you even as a contractor as you may have been the kind of fat that was rightly trimmed off.
You say that when you were hired, you were told that IBM is not planning any layoffs. Did you really take that to mean that IBM was guaranteeing you lifetime employment? First, no company would ever promise that they will never do any layoffs but even assuming that was said, SEVENTEEN freaking years have passed since that time. You are lamenting the fact that IBM laid you off 17 years after saying they don’t plan to lay off anyone?
Then, you complain that they hired you right back as a contractor forcing you to get off unemployment? Are you saying you would have preferred to collect unemployment instead of working? You should be thankful that IBM hired you back even if it was at 80% of your previous salary. Even at 80%, you would bring home more money than an unemployment check does. Plus, your resume will not show a gap.
If you are really unhappy with your current rate/salary and you think your skills can command more in the market, use your years of experience and all those awards and plaques to find a better paying job – perhaps at a competing company. That will make those greedy IBM executives realize the errors of their cost-cutting strategy. As it is, your comment smacks of an entitlement mentality.
Joe was merely commenting about the “job security” atmosphere engineers who graduated in the 60s grew up with. Jobs with companies like the Bell System, IBM, and HP were careful enough in their hiring that security of employment could be taken for granted. Of courses raises would have to be earned, but layoffs were unheard of. And reductions in pay happened gradually due only to inflation not to a sudden reduction in the dollar amount.
paradoxically enough, Improving Legal, Permanent Immigration is a good antidote for outsourcing. Many of those people who come here for knowledge transfer and onsite coordination activities would not really go back so easily if they could more easily switch to an employer here or get a green card more easily. This would result in better pay parity
After all, it is easier to fight a competitior who is here and payiing US taxes and is probably at 80% of your pay than someone who is overseas and at 10% of your pay !!
Thanks for posting this blog, I needed a good laugh. Great piece of fiction.
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After working on some high profile accounts and seeing people have their whole lives work disregarded and then kicked out with some extra cash for not talking about it, I am always amazed at the good image of IBM.
Its not worth repeating what everyone else has said in the comments as these articles are pretty much a clone of what I’ve seen in my years working with IBM and IBMers.
The one thing that I come up against repeatedly which was not a problem years ago is recruitment of IBM technology skills outside of IBM. The churn of staff that would go through IBM and come out with the right skills in IBM technology no long exists in UK marketss . You could always rely on a feed of people going through the ranks to recruit for customers or as consultants. This is no longer the case and some of the worst areas are the most in demand skills, the only people responding to adverts for these jobs are offshore staff looking to move or onshore immigrants who are looking to improve on their very low wages that they took just to get into Europe. IBM moving all their technical people out of the country (UK) has removed the local skills for all of their customers and recruitment is now a major issue. Some customers have no option but to jump on the offshore bandwagon as that is the only place where they can get their headcount.
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So I was an original transplant with IBM. We came in the hope of making this wonderful. There is a concept we bought into about shaping careers, employing talented individuals. Then the reality hit. Hire only if they are local , I can tell you we didn’t bring in people from India to train and send them home..Heck we couldn’t have gotten that kind of skill. we grabbed the local boy from the supermarket and aspired to make him talented. We failed .. on a large scale. They didn’t get it IBM didn’t get it. It take time to build a skill. College doesn’t begin to teach you how to support software or hardware. It doesn’t teach you how to deal with people shoot they don’t have a clue about a soft skill. Then they made our lives hell. The people that came in couldn’t do the job… so the legacy did, it burned us out.. The originals left on a huge scale. The common song is another one bites the dust. And its a joke. But here is where IBM did itself right and people wrong… When I left, couldn’t take it anymore, they replaced me with someone making 70k a year less than I was making. Expecting them to do the same job, same hours same level of experience. They will get by for a while. And guess what folks, those are the people that IBM will keep in its 20-25% people making an average wage of 45k a year. You will get what you pay for… we are the IT HMO
average wage of 45k a year. You will get what you pay for… we are the IT HMO
45k$!!!!
Back here in India, salaries are around 400$ a month. Some people get less than that.
About hours. Last project I checked out : Work 7 days a week, 10+ hours a day.
Unfortunately, the supply of engineers in India is too high. So many have to ‘settle’ for such IT or call centre jobs despite having degrees/experience suited for other better and more sought after jobs.
The trips to US/Europe (fondly called onsite trips) are a way to earn some extra bucks following the meagre salary. Almost no one goes there to steal knowhow or jobs.
Due to bloating management issues, bad increments and low respect for the employees, the blue is not exactly preferred in India either.
Most people here choose it sheerly because of lack of better options.
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I worked at the Dubuque Delivery Center for a year and a half, and this article is pretty much dead on according to my experiences. They’re trying to get as much work as possible done, to as low a level of quality as is allowed, by as few people as possible, who they pay as little as possible.
Another word for that is “sweatshop.”
One guy I worked with was supporting his wife and two kids; they qualified for federal aid because they were below the poverty line. Another guy was selling plasma to help cover the bills. We had eleven people covering the work of 30 FTE, and they kept adding more work as more people left.
They had three or four types of employees: Low-level were all fresh out of college with no IT experience of any kind, paid in the mid-20K range. Medium level (me) were 10-15 year IT professionals who only took the job because they had been unemployed for a year or more and desperately needed the job (starting pay was the lowest I had seen in ten years). High level were either IBM employees who moved there because they couldn’t afford to lose their jobs, or hardcore professionals who were there because it was what they wanted to be doing.
The turnover was staggering… at all levels. People started to leave after a year and, over 6 months, 3/4 of the team that was there when I joined was gone. People who left contacted us to let us know that leaving IBM would double your salary.
It’s shocking the number of IBM shills descending on this blog. Fear must be on the rise at Big Blue. It’s all about dividends and nothing more. Wait until the street catches on how leveraged the company really is and there will be a run for the doors.
The math is easy with regards to resource. Keep dumping higher paid workers for slave wage workers in order to cook the balance sheet. At some point there will be no higher wage workers to dump and laying off slave wage workers will not be sufficient in order to boost the dividend. It will be at that point that IBM’s will have its day of reckoning. Of course by that time execs will have pillaged all they can carry.
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I work on in IBM Ireland and they are starting to bring in Indian workers too. They still pay them Indian wages, plus accomodation and a subsistence amount. I’m not sure where the income tax is paid but the Indian lads are able to bank their salary and live off the expenses. All up it saves IBM money as despite the accomodation and living expenses Indian workers are a sixth of the cost of a local employee.
The Indian lads themselves are no better or worse technically than our local guys. They fit in well with us so nothing against them personally. Our management is picking the cream of the crop having had these techies already working on their accounts.
However, our labour laws are being violated (there were similar cases in the construction industry that made the news a couple of years back). I’d like to blow the whistle as the IMF is running our country and every job here is precious but I’ve little confidence in someone taking on the might of IBM.
But all big companies do that. Google, microsoft, oracle, the list goes on. All those companies prefer to pay lower costs for employees with equivalent skill. You can’t say professionals from low cost countries are less skilled than US professionals. But they are obligated to accept smaller salaries or else no job at all.
Unless you are saying IBM is outsourcing too much compared to the other big guys
I worked for Global Services for almost 3 years as a contractor. I went to Dubuque to train my “replacements”. They didn’t know shit. I was doing high level work and trying to train someone with absolutely no experience or understanding of computers was horrid. After 2 weeks, they shipped me home and I was kept on for another 9 months to basically be “benched” and support those guys if they needed it.
I was doing the same job for those 9 months…they never picked it up and I finally left when I found something close to the same pay locally.
I remember the manager in DBQ had a meeting with the team each night and every day he was telling us to go tell our friends that IBM was hiring. “Remember, level 1 is someone who knows nothing about computers, level 2 is someone who tinkers and knows how to use a computer and level 3 is someone with real world experience” REALLY? And I was training a bunch of level 1’s and 2’s. LAME
I will say though, its a slam dunk to get a job when you have IBM on your resume.
It’s plain and simple – maximize profits for the largest executive compensation package available – that’s there corporate motto.
Just look at where former CEO Sammie Palmisano’s package – 546,756 shares of common stock (approx value $114 MILLION) and that doesn’t even include the additional 440,347 outstanding optioned shares – do the math — they’re paying top brass all the BIG DOLLARS and screwing the little guy and AMERICA by sending all the TAXABLE INCOME OFF-SHORE.
America’s financial strength has been sapped by these “emerging countries”. Enough already! Demand IBM and their executive and BOARD (each member gets at least $250,000 annual fee plus heavy share, discounted, compensation – all existing member earn between $251,000-$331,937 annually!) be accountable for the favorable treatment afforded them by the US Government!
Stop the corporate Greed NOW!!!
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I hate to tell you this but I live in Dubuque and am a college graduate with a BA and IBM here Brawley has any people from Dubuque actually working there. I have had interviews there and have never been offered a position even though I hold a degree in Computer Science and have experience in the field. The IBM here is a joke. It was supposed to bring good jobs to the people of Dubuque but really it has done nothing but shun us and bring in workers from all over instead of hiring locals.
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