Internet Service Providers in the USA are trying to apply bandwidth caps to their users, with those caps being 2, 4, or 5 gigabytes-per-month for wireless users at various price levels and generally 250 gigabytes-per-month for home users. Most of the press coverage of this issue comes down on the side of consumers but lately the ISP publicity machine has been revved-up and we’re being told that bandwidth caps are necessary, even inevitable. This is, as my 87 year-old Mom would say, BS.
Provisioning is what ISPs call the amount of Internet backbone capacity they buy per subscriber. This number is always less than the amount of bandwidth we think we are buying because most of the time Internet connections aren’t used at all and ISPs count on this to keep costs under control. If you are buying an 8 megabit-per-second connection from your ISP, he in turn provisions you with around 50 kilobits-per-second of backbone. This data arbitrage is part of what makes being a broadband ISP so profitable.
The reason this is an issue, we’re told, is because ISPs fear we are changing our consumption patterns. If we all switch to getting our television and movies over the Internet then there’s no way 50 kilobits will be enough.
So they’ve taken to publishing charts like the one above, which came from a blog here. It shows the massive increase in data consumption at an arbitrary ISP. Arcing into the heavens it looks like ISP costs are exploding and will shortly become infinite unless data caps are applied. If the ISPs can’t make money, we’re told, then we’ll all lose our Internet service.
They’ve become “too big to fail. ”
Remember that one?
Fortunately, at the same time bandwidth consumption is going up, backbone costs are going down and have been doing so for many years. The basic unit of ISP backbone expenditures is called IP Transit. Here’s a chart I found showing IP Transit prices per megabit in several cities over a period of years.
There are a couple interesting points I can make about this chart. You’ll notice for example that backbone costs in Tokyo, where broadband connections typically run at 100 megabits-per-second, are about four times higher than they are in New York or London. Yet broadband connections in Tokyo cost half what they do in New York, and that’s for a connection at least four times a fast!
So Softbank BB in Tokyo pays four times as much per megabit for backbone capacity and offers four times the speed for half the price of Verizon in New York. Yet Softbank BB is profitable.
No matter what your ISP says, their backbone costs are inconsequential and to argue otherwise is probably a lie.
Now let’s try an apples-to-apples comparison of these two charts by adjusting them to cover the same time period like this:
Consumption went up and prices went down. In terms of backbone cost per subscriber, ISP costs have been flat for years.
That 250 gigabytes-per-month works out to about one megabit-per-second, which costs $8 in New York. So your American ISP, who has been spending $0.40 per month to buy the bandwidth they’ve been selling to you for $30, wants to cap their maximum backbone cost per-subscriber at $8.
That doesn’t sound unreasonable on the face of it. Capping consumption at 20-times the provisioning level doesn’t sound so bad, but I think it sets a dangerous precedent.
These data caps are actually a trap being set for us by the ISPs.
Data caps that may make logical sense today make no sense tomorrow, yet once they are in place they’ll tend to stay in place.
IP Transit costs will continue to drop. That $8 price will most likely continue to fall at the historical annual rate of 22 percent. So what’s presented as an ISP insurance policy is really a guaranteed profit increase of 22 percent that will be compounded over time because consumption will continue to rise and customers will be for the first time charged for that increased consumption.
This isn’t about capping ISP losses, but are about increasing ISP profits. The caps are a built-in revenue bump that will kick-in 2-3 years from now, circumventing any existing regulatory structure for setting rates. The regulators just haven’t realized it yet. By the time they do it may be too late.
Most U. S. broadband customers don’t get anywhere near that 250 gigabyte cap. The few who do hit those limits are big gamers or file downloaders for the most part. Maybe they do take unfair advantage of the system, but the question is whether this is the proper way to control their consumption? I don’t think it is.
In time we will all bump into these caps and our Internet bills will suddenly double as a result, circumventing competition and ending a 15 year downward broadband price trend.
ISPs win, we lose.
Others guess, Cringely knows! Thanks for another great post.
I quibble slightly… the ISP doesn’t necessarily provision your 8 Mbps connection at 50 Kbps. that is the oversubscription ratio. in other words, FlukeyNet has sold 10 gig of retail bandwidth to end users, for example. FlukeyNet is damn sure not going to buy a metro ethernet connection to an on-ramp (point of presence) of ten gig. they are going to design a 30 to 40 times oversubscription factor into their engineering, and if they sold 10 gig, they’ll buy a DS3, 45 Mbps, pipe to their POP.
if FlukeyNet wants to be a business server as well, they’ll probably have another DS3 or a couple of half-DS3s on alternate networks as well. then they can sell their colocate customers on high redundancy and charge two to ten times what they sell the homeboys.
if FlukeyNet really takes off as a destination hoster, then they’ll consider gigabit ethernet to their POP.
you and I as FlukeyNet customers might indeed hold an 8 Mbps speed at times of the day without a speed cap (which some snakey outfits, principally cable companies do, with their constrained bandwidth out in the neighborhoods due to their use of black channel space for common ether zones.) but if traffic gets high, you don’t get the best-effort speed you paid for, it won’t fit in the pipes.
that’s life in the fast lane, baby. it has always been so in ISP design. the delta is the profit.
Makes perfect sense to me. I wish that the rest of the media would publish this. Keep up the good work Bob.
Bobby, that’s not likely to happen – look at who owns a lot of the media outlets: Time Warner and Comcast.Their media arms aren’t about to bite that hand.
Captain Obvious is in da house!
I think our cable ISP is accomplishing this by simply throttling us downward. We supposedly have an 8 Mb/sec plan but many times we’re getting 2 or less. Their story would be that this is during times of “peak demand” but it seems like quite a bit of the time, like from when the kids get out of school until around midnight.
So, it begs the question, is there anything we can do or are we stuck?
Vote for a Liberal. Tea Baggers are in corporate pockets, along with the astroturf. Read “What’s the Matter with Kansas” to see how the stupid have been flummoxed.
You’re just pushing a political agenda. I’m wondering if there is something practical!
Government is the only thing standing between you and a monopolist’s dick up your butt.
Yes, of course. Government will save us. For thousands of years governments ran everyones’ lives and everything was utopia. Then business was invented and we all live in hell now as slaves. Do you even have your own brain? You have figured everything exactly backward.
The thing to do is make this information more widely known and break the market hold of comcast, time-warner and the others. Allow public opinion to have an effect and allow small fair players a market share.
But my city council gave Comcast a monopoly in my town.
And if you believe that the liberals haven’t been bought off, then there is a bridge I’d like to sell you….
I believe the best option is municipal owned infrastructure. Either have the service also run by the municipality or let them lease it out to business on a non-discriminatory basis.
I believe this approach allows the community to have greater input into the process as it is more likely to have the city respond to changes in demand vs a profit-only entity that may be based out of state.
Municipality owned infrastructure should speed up right of way conflicts while allowing an income stream that can then be used for other services such as emergency notifications.
I briefly lived in a town of 50K that had the city install fiber with coax into the home. I paid about $60/month for super fast internet, cable TV and phone service. My money went back into the local economy and not into a company that fought in the legal arena against other cities doing the same.
Private enterprise will claim municipality owned infrastructure is noncompetitive, but as long as non-discriminatory access is mandated I don’t see how that argument stands. When a business says creating infrastructure is prohibitively expensive, they shouldn’t then complain when somebody else creates that infrastructure.
*WRONG*
Start your own ISP and see how difficult it is to achieve profit. I’ve been doing this 6 years and I’ll tell you it isn’t a joyride to the bank with $100 bills falling out the car window.
In 1997, a T-1 line was ~$1000 while today it’s ~$200-250. Or less. Larger capacity lines were always available at a discounted multiple. Backbone costs have dropped substantially. Usage has exploded, and they are concerned that if it continues to grow at the rate they expect, that they will have to increase their backbone investment. In 2000, I was getting business-class cablemodem access of around 1.5Mbit/768kbit for $80/month. Now I get VDSL of 20Mbit/5Mbit for $40. My usage hasn’t really grown that much. On my mobile phone, I regularly use ~200-300MB/month on my unlimited plan. I’d cut it down to save money, but what if I all of a sudden start using more?
The data plans offered don’t give you a whole lot of options.
They aren’t beholden to customers, they are beholden to investors.
The last T-1 pricing I saw in my area was still north of $400 for 1.5 megabits. The last time I was quoted 45 megabit of service to my ISP in my town, it was $7k/month. Okay, that was a while ago. Last time (less than 1 year ago) I got a 100 meg service quoted in my town, it was $2k and I about crapped my pants at the low cost. Paying $50 for your 50 meg service while I have to spend $2k just to serve two of you at the service levels you think you need? hah, see how long that lasts.
If I wasn’t so busy building my ISP, providing more services to more people, I’d write my own articles about how full of it these people are.
$2K for 100 Mbps of wholesale bandwidth? Mike, I’m jealous. I have never gotten pricing anywhere near that. So much for Cringe’s unresearched, unsubstantiated, bogus claim that bandwidth costs are “inconsequential.”
That is AT&T’s pricing in my Frontier town because I have a legacy AT&T fiber pop in my town. It isn’t like that in most other towns around here.
My current source of bandwidth is $850 for 4 megs (though my effective bandwidth is higher).
I’ll have 50 megs for $1300 at the other end of my network within the next few months, but that is in addition to the current pipe.
Quote : ” … yet once they [caps] are in place they’ll tend to stay in place.”
Thats not always true, my connection had a 10GB cap a few years ago and now there is none ! Viewing films and programs on the BBC’s iPlayer would have been unthinkable then but routine now.
Good article, though
What’s unfortunate is that this was something we didn’t really have to fear back in the days of dial-up modem connectivity. Sadly, broadband has turned the ISP market from a high competitive landscape into just another utility oligarchy (which, for most people, is effectively a monopoly as they only have a single option).
The question is: are there any broadband players left (or companies with the ability to become broadband players) that could disrupt the current market? I know you’ve talked a lot in the past about Google’s ownership of miles of “dark fiber,” and we’re seeing some experiments on a small scale from them. Unfortunately, they don’t seem to be in any hurry to work to roll out any kind of broad-base service. And aside from local players scattered in various small towns, I haven’t heard of anyone who could become a catalyst for change.
Oligopolists (which is an economist’s notion of an Oligarchy) wouldn’t allow “ruinous competition” to spoil their cash flow. Remember “too big to fail”? It was all about a small number of, alleged, competitors all doing the same thing. Disclaiming collusion, of course. Only retards and liars bought that.
I lived overseas in the 1990s and early 2000s and used a dial-up. I was charged a connection fee everytime I dialed in as well as a time charge. Very expensive. I believe things have changed in much of Europe since then. Just FYI.
Here in sweden i pay about 54 dollar for computer fiber broadband 100megabit speed each month.And for mobilefone it cost 1.19 dollar for 1 megabit in the hole Europe for surf data.Same prices ewerywhere. And then there are mobilefone whith 3g or 4g connections whith different surf data prices.But there are many problems here becouse they promise mutch moore than it is in real.Like speed and how mutch you can surf gb in 1 month. The speed goes down mutch you never come upp to what they promise and so an.And if you surf to mutch download and upp whith computer in 1 month they can bring your speed down a while. Its not perfect here eather.Sorry for bad spelling hope u get something out of it.
There are at least 2 thousand independent WISPs in the country providing services people need, largely in areas the incumbents don’t.
It would cost a minimum of $350B to fiber up the entire US.
I have no problem with ISPs charging however much they want slicing and dicing their service in any way they deem fit. Heck they should even be able to pick winners and losers.
But that only applies where there is competition. Competition lets the end customers decide what they want and at what price points. But there is effectively zero competition in the US. Cable companies are given monopolies in each town preventing competition. I can get DSL from whomever I want, but only if I also pay the (only choice) local phone company for a phone line I don’t use so there is no competition there either.
Roll your own ISP and then tell me how much it costs to do this. There are thousands of ISPs already out there.
Bob to head FTC immediately.
BTW the situations is pretty similar here in Canada.
I have no problem with an ISP applying a bandwidth cap _provided_ that the bandwidth cap is directly in-line with the customer’s paid-for service.
That is, if the subscriber buys 1 mbit/s connectivity, then the bandwidth cap should be 1 mbit/s * 31 days * 24 hours * 3600 seconds (or 2,678,400 mbits). Anything less is not providing the service they are being paid to provide.
Now, I’m not saying that they have to give every customer an SLA – e.g. guaranteed service; but the cap must be in accordance with the service provided, and will change according to the service being provided – whether 1 mbit/s, 100 mbit/sec, or 1000 terabits/sec, it scales accordingly.
(Thereby, if you are getting a 100 mbit/s connection it would then be 267,840,000 mbits).
I was going to comment along this line but will just agree with what you said instead.
1 mbit/s data rate != 3600x24x7 @ 1 mbit/s worth of data
Two different things. If you want both, then get an account that provides both… and pay the extra cost.
I would rather pay less (in line with my “average” usage patterns) and not feel like I am “wasting” money by not constantly downloading/uploading
However, I do agree with Bob’s article and most of the other comments, and the biggest problem is lack of competition.
If you want that level of service, buy a dedicated circuit and be ready to pay at least $1k/month for a 50 meg pipe.
We’re having a HUGE fight with the ISPs here in Canada about data caps. We’ve screamed BS on it and have dragged them kicking and screaming into hearings on the matter. First round of hearings completed about 2-3 weeks ago. The big ISPs (Bell, Rogers, Shaw, Telus) got their asses handed to them. They seem to be against the ropes on this massive citizen’s movement against caps.
These guys started an online petition…and over 500000 Canadians signed it:
http://stopthemeter.ca/
I urge you guys to start something similar down there. We’re winning against it, and so can you.
Er… I’m probably going to get torn a new one for this, but until the infrastructure’s unlimited, the usage shouldn’t be either. Maybe I’m biased because I’m the network admin for my company and thus have to personally deal with bandwidth hogs, but I’m all for metered access.
Let’s say you & your neighbor are on the same ISP plan. You use ten gigs a month, your neighbor moves half a terabyte. Why should you pay the same rate that he does? You’re subsidizing your neighbor’s broadband Internet.
This stuff’s not free. Truckers pay over-the-road taxes that regular car drivers don’t, and it goes towards highway/interstate maintenance. I don’t see a lot of difference here.
(on the other hand, I do generally agree with you about U.S. ISPs being a bunch of chain-jerking money-grubbers)
Wrong, fundamentally. Read up on fixed cost vs. marginal cost in any econ textbook. Not that capitalists do any reading themselves. The marginal cost of moving a bit is essentially zero. And, if you *really* believe that Adam Smith is God, then the price should be at that marginal cost. Competitive markets would do that, of course. And, of course, few if any actual free markets exist. Capitalists work very diligently to weed out “ruinous competition”, all the while mewling about unions and government and the like.
This is the same problem faced by any entity engaged in providing goods/services in a high fixed cost with low variable/marginal costs process. Tough. The decision on how to price in those cases should (for a rational society) be calculated on the greatest good for the greatest number. Otherwise, the society cedes all to the monopolistic capitalists. Not a fun way to live; read up on the Dark Ages, because that’s the apotheosis.
The supply curve for such industries are not smoothly continuous, but, more or less, step functions. Once installed, that supply is either profitable or wasteful; capitalists tend not to be all that smart. In a recent C-SPAN author presentation, said author (I forget his name and his book’s exact title) asserted that the transcontinental railroads were a stupid undertaking. Specifically, that the build out was 40 years ahead of demand, and the financial capital wasted. If only Laffer and the other supplier-siders were forced to attend.
Ummm…. the price of moving a bit IS pretty close to zero.
Also, you have to keep price at or above the average total cost (which includes fixed costs), otherwise it makes more sense to shutdown.
So, the original comment made the point that bandwidth is not infinite. Robert Young responded but never actually addressed the logic in the original comment. He only attacked the idea that bandwidth costs money… implying that extra bandwidth IS unlimited and should be free?
There is a lot of rhetoric, and a lot of people who just don’t want to pay extra for downloading (uploading?) ass tons of data from their living room. It all kind of reminds me of the discussions around IP and MP3s in the 90s.
Trucking companies may have to pay over the road taxes but here in PA at least we somehow continually have a budget shortfall for road maintenance possibly due to those trucking companies being very effective at lobbying and rallying anti-tax sentiment. Thus road quality suffers. Besides why should a Hummer driver not have to pay such a tax? Many of us drive reasonable, responsible vehicles (or bike) and it’s not fair to us to have to pay income taxes to build roads for truckers and Hummers. If metering were done transparently it might work but it won’t be and thus end up no more “fair” than the all you can eat model Cringely favors for stimulating innovation.
The Hummer driver doesn’t have to pay the tax, because they are neither logging the same magnitude of miles nor anywhere near as heavy as a fully loaded tractor trailer.
Did some quick math, figured out that if you are running 24/7, you can run up to 768kbit/sec without exceeding the proposed 250Gbyte bandwidth cap. 1998 called, they want their high speed DSL back.
Seriously, how long will people put up with bullsh… erm, price gouging?
LightSquared Network Threatens GPS
Just found out about this in the EAA Airventure Today.
Surprises me that it took this long to hear about it
https://www.mobiledia.com/news/100340.html
I can’t get a Sprint signal in my house any how. Sigh…
IP Transit costs are just one (small) part of the picture.
Backhaul and last mile access costs are more important when considering caps.
When you have a dedicated last mile access method (DSL, FTTH, T1) you don’t need to worry about last mile contention.
Unfortunately the popular or convient access methods are shared, Cable, 3G/4G.
As usage increases you need a way to control usage. Nobody wants to reduce speeds or raise prices as that makes you look bad. Bandwidth caps are a crude attempt to signal scarcity.
You can’t do that on DSL either because pairs bleed over onto other pairs, reducing their speed if you can use those pairs at all.
I’ve used up 1.4 GB today already, and that’s without any P2P-activity counted into it. I live in a country where a cap seems distant, but sadly I’m fearing it may go the same way in the end. Money rules :/
Mark, this article is embarrassingly inaccurate. If you would like some ACCURATE data about ISPs’ expenses, please drop me an e-mail.
Don’t keep us waiting Brett – slap some facts upside our heads!
I have posted some above. Well, getting it to my ISP that is. Other ISPs aren’t as fortunate as I am to have over a half dozen fiber providers in my town.
Then you have the routers, radios, DSLAMs, etc. that actually move the bits from the office out to your house. Fixed wireless companies then also have tower rent. It may cost $15k fixed cost and $500/month for a fixed wireless ISP to move 300 megabits/s from one tower to another up to 10 miles away. What if you had to go more than 10? What about the cost of the service to the ISP? What about the cost down to your house?
Thats why Im inquiring about my ISPs business class internet. There’s no cap and for $60/month I get 12 Mbs download but only a weak 2 Mbs upload.
In my (European) country we have always had data caps. Some companies purported to offer “unlimited” service but it wasn’t because the contract always had a “fair usage” clause that was effectively a cap.
A few years ago most customers didn’t even know what a cap meant, it was usually hidden in the small print and companies competed on peak Mb/s with bullshit like: “If you are a gamer then you need our blindingly fast 20Mb/s connection”. Since most customers didn’t know companies got away with ridiculously low caps like 10Gb or 20GB per month.
The interesting news is that over the last couple of years customers have become much more savvy about data caps and it has now become a competitive selling point. When one supplier offers 250Gb another touts 500Gb. Mobile data caps are still much lower of course but at least people are aware of what they mean and competition is kicking in again. Data caps are going up while prices are falling.
In fact my only complaint at the moment is that many people are fooled into paying for a bigger data cap than they need. 1Gb of data is ample for most phone users at present and yet lots of casual users are paying heavily for a 10Gb or more data package.
I don’t think you can generalize about an entire country based on what’s available in one city. In the US a tiny minority of the population enjoys FIOS fiber-to-the-home service, but most of us put up with cable and DSL.
Speaking of low overhead do you have any figures on what super wifi will cost to implement, given it seems to be the true broadband future?
Super WiFi will only really benefit users in rural areas. There really isn’t enough spectrum available to do urban broadband at these frequencies because of 1) the reduced number of channels due to TV channels and 2) the increased bandwidth demand.
It’s always great to read a Cringley article which explains stuff so transparently!
Being simply an end-user, domestic at that, I have no power other than to change ISP if I’m unhappy. Where I live the speed I get maxes out at 2mb. They call it a limitation of the “local loop”. Because I’m not big-city urban or sub-urban I get what’s left. The adverts for 8mb or more have recently not been so prominent so perhaps people with tech knowledge were noticing the inability to supply except to a privileged few.
I’ve been with the same company for years and was lucky to get an early uncapped service, though it still has the usual “fair usage” policy attached. Most cheap-buys over here are 2GB caps.
Basic stuff I’m sure.
Then along comes my friend Apple and only offers its latest O/S Lion upgrade as a download, all 3.49GB of it.
People complain about TV and Video eating away at bandwidth, but how many copies of Lion were installed in the first few days? Did I read it was millions?
Scales like that must cause a sting somewhere, including the fact that 3.49GB maxes-out far too many caps for the unknowing or unwary.
TV and video are regularly blamed for hogging bandwidths but the media is relatively well compressed so a film is unlikely to eat the full 4GB a conventional DVD would hold. A big, multi-GB file, presumably already compressed anyway, has to be sent raw. Pure bandwidth.
I’ve no problem with downloading O/S upgrades as such, but the infrastructure has to be in place for the option to work or surely companies like Apple will severely throttle their revenues.
As usual for early adopters of a model they lead the way. Perhaps Microsoft will start selling big downloads too and then the ISPs will simply have to invest in bigger and better infrastructure.
If it simply cannot be put in place for geographical, technical or economic reasons then it might be a sales channel that is forced to dry up…
If you do a clean re-install of Lion you end up downloading it twice. Once to copy on to a USB stick to do the clean install from, then again when you set up the App store on your clean new OS image and download all your apps again, including Lion!
I’m not an Apple person, but it seems to me they could sell DVDs of Lion. Have they refused to do this, or even allow this to be done by third parties?
Oh, and where I’ll be moving within a few weeks, I’ll get a 100/100 unlimited line. Now that’s sweet, I’ll enjoy it as long as it lasts 🙂
Where is that and how much does 100 mbps up and down cost? Are web servers allowed?
The issue here is that the cable and satellite providers are looking towards the drift from their profitable mainstay, broadcasting TV/Video content to broadcasting other content providers bits. Apple TV, Netflix, iPlayer, etc are slowing shifting the business model such that they are just pipes. They’ve noticeably failed in their attempt to capitalize on this through PPV (due to high prices, low content and the fact that they are asking people to pay twice if they already subscribe). Hence, they are simply trying to hedge against the content delivery shift. They have to get their pound of flesh. In Canada, broadband resellers have sprung up and are delivering bandwidth at much less than the Rogers/Bell/Shaw providers even though they are renting the bandwidth from those providers! So now Rogers/Bell/Shaw are trying to jack up the rates they charge to the independents even though their own costs have not been affected (aside from the loss of subscribers to the independents….).
Bandwidth is a commodity but is operated by a cartel. They are modelled on the oil industry and the strategic implications are also similar.
Another reason why cableless TV is still the best bargain happening. You buy a set plug it in turn it on and your entertained. What would happen to the Internet providers if everyone just said screw them and went back to free TV. Prepare for impact comes to mind.
It is time for Internet connectivity to become a regulated utility not unlike one’s land line phone, power, gas, etc. ISP’s would be guaranteed by law a reasonable profit margin and they will then have to justify rate changes to state regulatory boards.
Since Internet connectivity is now used for telephone, medical monitoring, and home security services the ISP’s should be required to provide the same QoS as does the telephone companies for critical services.
Now how do we get our dysfunctional government to do something useful?
“Internet bills will suddenly double as a result, circumventing competition and ending a 15 year downward broadband price trend”
OK a) I am paying the same today as I was 10 years ago
and b) what competition — in San Francisco (!) we got Comcast and AT&T and MAYBE 1 or 2 little guys (like Sonic) who pretty mch charge the same thing
We keep voting in officials (so we must blame ourselves) who do nothing about stifling local monopolies. Cap away — we’re asking for it.
Most broadband pricing is still at or below the cost of providing it.
Justified text. STOP IT.
We have always had caps here in Australia, and that hasn’t lead to increased prices. There is sufficient competition in the ISP space that the size of the caps (although generally our internet speeds suck by world standards).
This could be more about content control than direct price gouging. One reason the caps don’t bother most Aussies is we don’t have much in the way of decent streaming content providers – you can’t subscribe to Hulu or use the BBC services for example (legally that is !). I suspect in the US the major players are looking at all that TV & movies streaming over their lines and trying to find out a way to get a chunk of that pie.
The latest move here is that some ISPs are starting to provide thier own IPTV service – structured very much like a cable service. Choose your price point (added on to your monthly broadband plan) based on which services / channels your want. To encourage you to subsribe and not source your multi-media content elsewhere, the data you download from their iptv service is not included in your cap. Perhaps this is where US ISPS are looking to go.
Also in Oz, I am aware of these.
While “nice” on the face of it, it’s pretty evil when the Telcos get into bed with the Content folks (*cough* captive audience *cough* cartel)
It would be far better for us all in the end if the content providers had no special access to the network (ie: no barrier to entry for new content providers).
I’m not sure that bandwidth caps or a price on consumption is a bad thing, but it will be interesting for we Aussies to see how that pricing shakes out when the NBN happens…
What this ignores is that in Hong Kong and Tokyo most of the traffic is local. The traffic is going over settlement-free peering links with other local ISPs with NO transit cost. And I doubt that IP transit is actually the biggest cost now with transit available in the US for as low $1/mbps.
Transit is practically free. Transport is incredibly expensive. Why is transit in the middle of nowhere so expensive? They had to transport it from somewhere else. Those pipes are what it expensive. Big routers moving big data within a single building really isn’t that expensive.
You are one hundred percent right dude. Wow.
http://www.web-privacy.au.tc
Yeah I agree with you. TimeWarner doesn’t have data caps though, that I know of. I have called and asked them. But comcast and AT&T in my area do. There are so many cloud, and streaming services coming out now, that everyone eventually is going to hit that cap. AT&T doesn’t give me a meter. Im not even sure if I have a data cap with them right now. But I know that if i did, I would be going over it every month. I watch a lot of youtube in HD, Neflix, hulu, use drop box, and run a home game server out of my house. Great article, I wish there was some way to do something about this. Google is trying to, and I believe that other companies like them that rely on people using their services as much as possible to make money should also.
>The few who do hit those limits are big gamers
WTF? Online game communication protocols are written to be as light weight as possible. A gamer could play games 24/7/356 and not reach the bandwidth consumption of someone watching 1 movie on Netflix.
True, but the game and patch downloads can be a lot. Gamers also usually are downloading a lot of other material as well.
Haha, San Fransisco is complaning about 2 major and 2 minor players being too little competition? I have exactly 1 option here.
[…] https://www.cringely.com/2011/07/bandwidth-caps-are-rate-hikes/ That 250 gigabytes-per-month works out to about one megabit-per-second, which costs $8 in New York. So your American ISP, who has been spending $0.40 per month to buy the bandwidth theyâve been selling to you for $30, wants to cap their maximum backbone cost per-subscriber at $8. […]
Where are you getting the entire distribution and access networks for free? I’d be interested to get some of this free stuff for my own ISP.
US has some major issues with broadband.
Penetration of high speed services is a major issue. Major population centers tend to get the highest speeds first. Then it spreads to the nearby suburbs. If you are in a rural area, good luck and consider yourself lucky that you can still get dial-up. Combine population density with geography (size/space) and you’ll see why smaller countries with dense populations have some of the highest Internet penetration and highest speeds.
What drives that deployment model in the US? Revenue and cost-per-sub to build out.
In a sort of competitive economy like the US, no business builds out capacity when they see a high cost-per-sub combined with a low revenue-per-sub scenario. The numbers just don’t work when businesses have to answer to shareholders and banks. If you think they ought to build it out out the kindness of their hearts, “get real”.
The US model gets worse when businesses are faced with wacky depreciation models, typically governed by or at least heavily influenced by the IRS (federal tax authority in the US). It is not uncommon for business to face minimum 5 year and generally 8 year depreciation schedules for hardware that can become obsolete in 3 years ro less. Some hardware has 15, 20, 25, or even 30 year depreciation schedules.
Why should you care?
If government ran Internet access in the US, yes it might be possible to have ubiquitous access, but at what cost and quality? For the young ones out there, rural electricity and rural telephone service in the US was built out via federal subsidies. Huh? Yep. Every month a little bit of your electric bill and telephone bill payments were funneled into federal bank accounts that sent money out to companies that were building out rural eletrical and rural telephone services. Call simple communism or simple socialism or whatever else you want, but it comes down those that have paying a little more so that those that have-not can have something. It’s true, even if you never read about it in history class in school.
And what did the US get for this subsidy?
Electricity and basic dial tone and rotary phones everywhere. In other words, BASIC SERVICES. Touch-Tone(r) was an extra fee you paid for monthly, assuming you could get it in the 1970s and 1980s. There were no “special services” like CLASS calling features (call forwarding, 3-way calling, etc.), but that did come later and for a fee. None of that had or even has anything to do with Internet access, but some are saying that same funding model should be used to subsidize Internet access in rural US.
Think about it carefully when you scream to have the US government do something for you. Think about who is going to pay for it; if you can afford cable or DSL or other high-speed access, then you would pay a little more every month for rual Internet access. Think about why businesses don’t venture out into rural US to provide fancy services (no profit…incentive…in it for them). It’s really that simple folks.
And for the people out there that think Internet access ought to be free as in beer, I’ve got 2 comments for you: (1) get in touch with reality or a psych doctor tomorrow; (2) even the ingredients to making beer cost money for someone. On the other hand, perhaps this “free as in beer” crowd is unwilling to admit to it’s communist or socialist tendencies?
This is the problem with capitalism – everything costs – and all services have to bend to financial considerations. Consumers in turn are then bent to the financial considerations of the providers. Held over a barrel in other words.
I wonder what would happen if money was taken out of the equation?
Its also a greta time for price hikes and/or bandwidth adjustments, what with usps being on the ropes. People will become more dependent upon email for communication. All in a viscous circle.
Abandoning money will not get rid of the cost of production of goods and services. Workers, business and consumers will need resources as compensation for labor, but an expensive and mostly useless bureaucracy will get to decide who gets what.
No I mean getting rid of money world wide. A different reason to produce other than profit. There are too many products, too many companies all the same – and dont get me started on the waste this produces, and over production, and the advertising of stuff that we do not need anyway. Do we really need higher and higher speeds or more and more bandwidth. Do we need broadband at all?
We don’t need it, and you don’t have to buy it. On the other hand, some people want things, so it should be available to them, right?
There are still dial-up ISPs out there. No one is forcing you to use broadband.
And…
money is just a convenient way to trade goods and services. A lot easier to carry a pocket full of bills than to go from grocery store to grocery store asking if they want to trade food for my sweet programming skills
This is also where a free market works pretty well… competition helps keep prices, quality, etc. in line with consumer demands.
The problem here is the lack of competition (like Brian Crescimanno mentioned).
Do we want things because we want them or because we are tricked/duped/fooled/manipulated into believing that we want things by advertising?
The trick of advertising is to create desire.
And the sign of maturity is immunity to advertising. There is a reason why the 18-35 year-old market is coveted.
Everything costs something in every society, capitalistic or communistic. It just changes on who pays for it, where you get it, and what you get.
I wonder how the Soviet Union fared with their non-capitalistic society.
Mike…most of the people commenting on this probably aren’t aware that there ever was such a thing as the Soviet Union. I had the benefit to get to know a guy who defected from there. He was gung ho for their system. Studied hard, became a telco engineer. Worked hard for the “benefit” of his comrades. Was promoted to a top position within the telephone “company” by the time he was in his late 20’s. Then he realized that he was one of the few actually “doing” anything. All the other workres still got paid, food, housing etc., but didn’t really work. Since he was the manager, it was his responsibility that the work get done or face prison. He had a heart attack at 32 and decided he had to get out. That is what “taking money out of the equation” does for “people”. When there is no profit incentive, most people will let someone else do the work.
Fixed Wireless Broadband providers service a lot of the rural demand for Internet services where DSL, cable, and fiber are simply not cost effective.
mobile-only after getting fucked in the ass by comcast’s constant downtime. i’ve learned to live within 5Gb/mo. and am still top-1% in Google Reader. I hardly miss the cat videos at all.
Rick, the term “digital divide” has been in common usage and an issue (as defined by the UN) for 15+ years. And access as a fundamental (human) right for nearly 5 years now.
How about instead of paying billions to support the failing USPS we follow a Socialist European model and democraticize access to information for all?
Internet is not a right, no matter who says it.
Annoying as this is, you should also write an a post about the way a lot of web hosting companies such as hostmonster, hostgator and even go daddy are introducing cpu throttling.
This horrible tactic is slowing down even very small websites, forcing them to deliver a bad service to their visitors and also damaging them in the eyes of the mighty google, which takes load time into consideration when ranking sites.
It’s all about the last-mile infrastructure costs, not backbone costs which keep dropping as Cringely states. The cablecos sold everyone the promise of a big pipe way back when almost nobody had an actual use for it, so they could get away with minimal shared last-mile capacity. Now that Netflix etc have given their customers a reason to use the bandwidth they have been paying for all along, the cablecos don’t want to pay to beef-up the shared last mile capacity. Difficult problem when cablecos have all been granted virtual monopolies.
I’m sure they’d love to if it were cost effective to. I know I sure do.
OK, fine, I’ve known this was coming, and that it was all motivated by profit.
But the question I have – and I haven’t seen answered anywhere – is WHAT THE HELL CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS?
I’m wondering like hell why companies like DropBox, Netflix, Amazon, Google, Hulu, etc. aren’t up in arms about this. Their very livelihood depends on a continuous pipe to the internet.
Banks are getting away with this all the time.. they can charge upwards of 7% interest on a mortgage, yet you try to open a savings account or a credit card, they can charge you 12-30% interest on the credit card and only want to pay you no more than 1.5% interest on your savings. The deck is stacked agianst you.. but banks and oil companies learned well.. who else are you going to go to? They have a MONOPOPLY, DUOPOLY or to use another term RACKETEERING BUSINESS MODEL– which on the face of it ought to be illegal… but there aren’t the kind of consumer advocates we used to have and at least consumers don’t have to buy wireless service as a necessity.
How do you think they make the money that they pay you with?
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You know Bob, I really like reading your articles… even when they aggravate the hell out of me! This is a great explanation and we should all send the link to this story to our congressional reps.
I’ll like them better when they are journalism and not opinion.
Liked the article….great way to show exactly how companies get gov to bail water for them and fleece the public as a result…
“Heads I win, tails you lose”
Standard operating procedure in modern corporate America.
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An alternative to the commercial ISPs is a community broadband network: https://www.muninetworks.org
Ok, but what about infrastructure costs? What is the cost of delivering that bandwidth from the backbone to the premises and the costs of scaling that delivery channel to meet increased demand? How much of a factor is the relative complexity of the required infrastructure via geographic and demographic variations? Without bandwidth caps how much of a factor would degradation of service be if/when local delivery channels start to exceed capacity? What was the original business model for infrastructure buildout and have unexpected bandwidth demands caused a need for a change in that business model?
No one cares about why something the way it is. They just want to YELL AND SHOUT AND COMPLAIN!
I don’t know how significant the infrastructure costs are, but I know Verizon spent weeks if not months with tunneling all around my neighborhood to install their FiOS cables. That had to be expensive. I would like to see an analysis of when that gets paid off.
I recently discovered the ability to find out my household’s monthly bandwidth consumption (I’m a comcast user) and was surprised to discover that it has been averaging around 120GB/month but was close to 170GB for the current month (as of nearly a week ago). And yes, I have a 250GB cap.
Now I’m a software developer, so I have to download 4GB wodges of data (i.e. the latest version of XCode or whatever) quite frequently, but aside from that our only major bandwidth consumption is probably Netflix. We have a LOT of netflix devices, and this month my mother is staying with us and watching old episodes of Law & Order all day long.
It doesn’t take much IP video to hit the cap.
Tonio: “We have a LOT of netflix devices, and this month my mother is staying with us and watching old episodes of Law & Order all day long.
It doesn’t take much IP video to hit the cap.”
That is a non-sequitor!
Yes it does follow in view of the fact that since the early days of TV or cable it has been trivial for millions of people to watch TV simultaneously all day long. It’s only a big deal with the Internet and the need to impose data caps, which are reached too quickly, compared to the old-fashioned methods that have no need for caps.
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Case in point: unlimited plan, but you have to pay more, on top of your unlimited plan, if you are using it too much:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-29/at-t-to-reduce-wireless-browsing-speeds-for-heaviest-5-of-data-consumers.html
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Triumph of the Nerd indeed… way to call it out like it is Bob. Many of these providers operate under the same guise as a airline, overbook hoping some won’t show even though they know they can’t provide the service to them all if they do show up.
I equate the whole telecommunications industry to that of ‘bait and switch’. Consumers don’t get what they pay for.
Overbooking is not inherently wrong. Ever since the beginning of telephone service the availability of dial tone was “overbooked”. Even now, you may have trouble getting a dial tone on mother’s day. The systems and thier pricing are based on average usage and the average revenue recieved. If the average usage goes up, eventually the capacity of the distribution point supplying that group of subscribers will be reached requiring caps or more revenue to pay for more capacity to that distrbution point.
Couple months late in rebuttal …
I get the whole premise of opex/capex and oversub’ing to make that all happen. I think perhaps you don’t get my point that model doesn’t fit well today yet they still hang onto it and make all kinds of excuses there-in for for there little rate-hikes.
I’m saying more people actually show up for the ‘flight’ and do a longer trip….that makes a huge difference over sub’d over not… watching streaming movies wasn’t around back in them good old days of providing tone, nor was skype or a million other bandwidth intensive apps…which I should mention, no not everyone does tone reliably still today in 2011. I notice.
ISP and telco’s just have not planned on people using the bandwidth they paid for 24×7, which is not out of the question in a world of video streaming. They simply can’t and won’t honor their contractual obligations because they can’t…utilization is through the roof on good chunk of $30-60/m customers.
Almost every system you ever use is oversubscribed. That’s life and the only affordable way to do it.
This is a preemptive strike against cord cutters. Streaming all your TV shows and movies via the internet with a 250GB cap would give you roughly 100 hours of HD content. This is a move on the part of Comcast and other ISP to protect their cable television side of the business. This needs to be stopped.
It’s BS, but can the ISP’s provide a revenue approved by a third party data meter? Electric and water utilities must, why not the ISP’s?
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u r a douchenozzle and a hypocrite.
You complain about ISP’s and their caps but then have them advertise on your site?
I don’t sell the ads and have no idea who is buying them. Frankly you have it precisely backward: if I was truly a douchenozzle I’d be writing columns specifically to PLEASE ISP advertisers, wouldn’t I?
Nice comeback, Cringe!
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If you want an unmetered Metro-E connection, be my guest – go out and buy one.
Don’t come complaining to me when you realize that it costs 10-30x what a consumer retail connection of the same speed costs.
Example: 10mbit DSL costs $50-$100 in a lot of areas
10mbit MetroE costs $800-2000 in commercial areas, more if you’re kind of in a far flung location.
Quit propagating this myth that there’s some unlimited fount of throughput and ISPs are withholding it just for the hell of it.
Dimwits like this Cringely guy and GigaOm are really getting old.
“Fortunately, at the same time bandwidth consumption is going up, backbone costs are going down and have been doing so for many years. The basic unit of ISP backbone expenditures is called IP Transit. Here’s a chart I found showing IP Transit prices per megabit in several cities over a period of years.”
Transit prices have been dropping due to arbitrage and ISPs that rarely have to carry the traffic more than 1 building.
Essentially there are a few Peer-Selling-ISPs that are connecting with broadband ISPs and erecting “toll booths” to sell OTHERS’ networks. E.g. Hurricane Electric can sell transit at $1/Mb as they rarely use their own network to carry this traffic. They mostly sell their peers networks.
I highly doubt anyone is building end to end backbone, metro and access network for the price of transit these days. So while Hurricane, Cogent, Level 3, NTT, etc sell the networks of Verizon, TimeWarner, Comcast, AT&T – this has a perception of network costs going down at below the capital cost to carry the traffic. So the reality is a Peer-Selling-ISP can undercut destination networks as they don’t have any of the costs. The middle-man is always cheaper than the network you want to reach.
Imagine if someone purchases 1 mile of highway on every major road in your state and put toll booths up. They can sell access to state highways without any ROI requirements around the full maintenance costs.
“That 250 gigabytes-per-month works out to about one megabit-per-second, which costs $8 in New York.”
To get $8 or less you need multi-Gig wholesale connections in a carrier hotels from a Peer-Selling-ISP. You should also factor in the space, power and other costs to do this. Apples vs. bushels of Oranges from the grove.
All Internet networks are priced and built based on an oversubscription model. Ultra-high end users change the oversubscription model which increases the cost of scaling the network for others. There comes a point where the terabyte user is no longer profitable and should be moved to a commercial tier where the access and metro network is sized and price for 24 hour full use.
To create the proper economics for the cost of growing the “dedicated/unlimited” network you can either lower the speed and offer unlimited or raise the price with the speed at unlimited (like commercial does).
Most (99% of us) really want higher speed for better interactive experience. We do not expect to run it 7×24 and fund the cost for that. Expecting everyone else to fund the extreme minority that feel entitled to 7x24xmax speed is not fair to the rest of us.
Internet Backbones, such as Hurricane Electric, Level3, Telia, etc have to pay to build and maintain international networks. All of these networks are on multiple continents.
The Internet backbones build out to interconnect with various regional networks in each part of the world (who in turn build out to sell connectivity to other smaller networks). This is how the major Internet backbones are able to provide global Internet connectivity. BTW, the cost to build and maintain these international Internet backbones is certainly not free, so whatever the scenario when they exchange traffic with access networks, it wasn’t free to haul that bandwidth to the access network, and claims to the otherwise by access networks are specious.
The Basic Economics of Internet in a Nutshell: The content companies (for example Amazon, Yahoo, Netflix etc) buy global Internet connectivity to reach human beings that use the Internet that have credit cards in their wallets. Human beings access the Internet through access providers, which tend to be either cable monopolies or telephone monopolies.
This means that at the end of the day, the access providers (access networks) have a choice between just interconnecting with other networks and Internet backbones for the sake of increasing capacity for their customers (which increases the quality and throughput of their service, and costs them money to pay for more router ports for their side of the connections) *or* they can try to get some of these other networks to pay them. Most of the time an access network is claiming congestion, it is because they are unwilling to freely interconnect with other networks because they would like to get paid both by their access customers and by the other networks in the world that are sending their customers traffic (double dipping).
Now they have a problem, they need to have some kind of connectivity to other networks, otherwise they don’t have any Internet service to sell. However would like to find new sources of revenue without introducing new services or expanding to new markets (greedy: as in want more money without delivering any new economic value).
Hence why they are instituting bandwidth caps on one side of the house for customers (ostensibly because they are overloaded), and on the other side of the house they are limiting the amount of bandwidth into their network.
To quote the sage: “I see what you did there…”
“Internet Backbones, such as Hurricane Electric, Level3, Telia, etc have to pay to build and maintain international networks. All of these networks are on multiple continents.”
The vast majority of Internet growth rarely uses national or international network capacity. These backbones don’t have to build/upgrade their core anywhere need the levels of the aggregation router they use to sell their peering edge (their toll booth to others networks). Bulk content growth is cached next to metro networks and therefore the “haul [of] that bandwidth to the access network” took place in a single building. The “hauling” is now the metro and access where the real growth costs are.
The historical economics of the Internet are related to traffic (bps) and distance carried….. not transactions (who sends, who receives, who requests, etc). You carry traffic on your network and have paying customers that both receive and send content (“double dipping”). I carry traffic on my network and have paying customers that both receive and send content. We exchange traffic between networks at no cost ONLY when we have a balance of trade in traffic and network infrastructure investment. “Double dipping” and balance of trade is an accurate description of how the Internet has always worked.
Now I agree the Internet players have changed. Access networks have built/purchased backbone/metro putting them in competition to sell transit (to senders). Backbone networks have built/purchased access and metro (receivers) growing an end to end infrastructure. CDNs have built closer to metro networks reducing the cost to deliver traffic (and getting a break on transit). Generally each of these parties have more or less network cost burden to carry bits. That said… the costs and business has not gone away (just shifted) and no one party should have to fund all the costs of sending or receiving bits.
“Double dipping” really means that both senders AND receives fund end to end infrastructure (the way the Internet has worked). Single dipping means only eyeballs pay, which is new and not very consumer friendly.
If your contention is there should not be a charge to deliver traffic or a trade balance between carriers, I would ask you who should pay for growth? Second who should be entitled to free traffic? Not sure a “free for a select few” model is best for the Internet, innovation or all consumers. The historical model has worked pretty well.
“Hence why they are instituting bandwidth caps on one side of the house for customers (ostensibly because they are overloaded), and on the other side of the house they are limiting the amount of bandwidth into their network.”
First, senders of traffic are limited only by what they ask for vs what they can do. ISP X not giving CDN A free ports on their network is not a limitation, it is business. ISP X not giving ISP Y (peer seller) unlimited free ports to sell to CDN A is not a limitation, it is balance of trade. CDN A choosing not to pay the same rate to ISP X directly (vs a peer seller) is also business and what is driving arbitrage keeping transit prices at record lows (some would say below cost to build)
Second, consumers pricing is based on a flat rate. Therefore those that use 1TB pay the same as those that use 50G or less. As you know, network models are based on oversubscription and as you have to dedicate capacity to a user the cost goes up to where one may be losing money. As speeds have increased the 7×24 bandwidth user adds even more and more burden on the cost.
Question: Which entity do you think should fund incremental infrastructure growth? Should all consumers pay the costs of unlimited usage of a select few? Should each user pay for their own usage? Should senders of traffic pay any network delivery costs of their traffic to users? If no, which senders get this entitlement? If yes, should the network that actually carries the traffic more than 1 building share in this settlement?
The new economics of this become very interesting.
Thinking about a situation as we have had. The price for end user is based on speed of connection and not number of bytes transferred. This is the “unlimited” plan.
Look at a graph showing how many users on the vertical and bandwidth on the horizontal. The height at any point tells the number of users that use that amount of bandwidth in a month (or a day, whatever). It will not be a normal distribution (think bell curve) but will fall steadily from left to right. More people use a small amount. Less people use a large amount.
That graph will always be the same shape. The only thing changing will be the numbers on the side and bottom of the graph. With time, the “data hogs” will use more but there still won’t be very many of them. With time, there will still be a lot of users using very little bandwidth but the definition of “very little” will rise.
My point? The fact that there are some users using a lot will always be the case. Setting a bandwidth limit is one bad thing. Some users using too much bandwidth is another bad thing. I prefer bad thing number 2 because I don’t trust the providers to keep the limit moving up as time goes by and bandwidth “needs” increase for end users. They want to increase profit without doing anything better. They seem to have no logic, just spin.
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Sad to see that “Cringely” is promoting blind, toxic, uninformed, stupid hatred of ISPs. He’s lost my respect.
First time I heard of him, so I guess I don’t have that loss.
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Well, you did some analysis but are way shy of all your homework. Sure you can buy bandwidth in bulk at a carrier hotel in a major city, but what about the 4000+ wireless ISP’s out there serving all the rural areas. Did you price out the cost of getting a DS3 in podunk, IA? I bet not. And I say a DS3 because there IS NO FIBER in most of these places. There may not even be DS3’s. What about infrastructure costs? When was the last time you looked at tower rents, land leases, rooftop space, frequency licensing fees, right of way fees, microwave radio costs, and all the other costs involved in actually GETTING it to the customer and supporting the customer. Wireless technologies have limited throughput which means delivering this kind of bandwidth to the end user requires a lot more infrastructure meaning more gear in the air, meaning more interference to contend with since we can’t get our own frequency bands, which means more maintenance, which means more costs. And what about the people providing this content? Why does netflix or any other media streamer get a free ride on the carriers network? They don’t get to mail the DVD’s free through the mail, do they? Heck, I’d pay $8 month for ALL my postage, but I’d bet even the efficient federal gov’t couldn’t survive delivering mail for that rate. Next time you decide to take on an issue, why don’t you spend more than 10 minutes googling a couple nifty graphs and looking up some stats for Japan, and do some real research before stirring up a pot of crap you obviously know little about.
Actually, Cameron, the USPS already does lose billions of dollars a year. :-p
I know…my attempt at sarcasm.
Just what I was thinking. About half of Japan’s population lives in four metropolitan areas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_in_Japan_by_population), and their metro areas are much more densely populated than US metros (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_by_population), so many of the costs associated with internet wiring will be lower in Japan than in the US.
I suspect Netflix already pays a huge amount for their network connections and the bandwidth they generate. I don’t call that a free ride.
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[…] Bandwidth caps are rate hikes Thursday, July 28th, 2011 at 7:07 am ” … Internet Service Providers … are trying to apply bandwidth caps to their users … Most of the press coverage of this issue comes down on the side of consumers but lately the ISP publicity machine has been revved-up and we’re being told that bandwidth caps are necessary, even inevitable. This is, as my 87 year-old Mom would say, BS. … If the ISPs can’t make money, we’re told, then we’ll all lose our Internet service. They’ve become “too big to fail. ” Remember that one? Fortunately, at the same time bandwidth consumption is going up, backbone costs are going down and have been doing so for many years. The basic unit of ISP backbone expenditures is called IP Transit. … No matter what your ISP says, their backbone costs are inconsequential and to argue otherwise is probably a lie. … These data caps are actually a trap being set for us by the ISPs. Data caps that may [but don’t] make logical sense today [still] make no sense tomorrow, yet once they are in place they’ll tend to stay in place. IP Transit costs will continue to drop. That $8 price will most likely continue to fall at the historical annual rate of 22 percent. So what’s presented as an ISP insurance policy is really a guaranteed profit increase of 22 percent that will be compounded over time because consumption will continue to rise and customers will be for the first time charged for that increased consumption. This isn’t about capping ISP losses, but are about increasing ISP profits. The caps are a built-in revenue bump that will kick-in 2-3 years from now, circumventing any existing regulatory structure for setting rates. The regulators just haven’t realized it yet. By the time they do it may be too late. … In time we will all bump into these caps and our Internet bills will suddenly double as a result, circumventing competition and ending a 15 year downward broadband price trend. ISPs win, we lose. … " http://www.cringely.com/2011/07/bandwidth-caps-are-rate-hikes/ […]
If you want to hear some interesting information around what internet bandwidth costs, you should listen to the podcast on 4/20/11 from:
https://www.howstuffworks.com/podcasts/brainstuff.rss
“What does a gigabyte of internet access really cost?”
It was quite eye-opening
I’ve heard a lot about this lately.. why are more companies throttling bandwidth after a particular cap on a so-called UNLIMITED plan? And why are companies dropping it all together?
So far I love my Spring service and they sound better every single day. I haven’t heard anything about them doing this nonsense to us.
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This is an important idea since it fits with how people learn. We know that the two key elements in learning are social and affect.
I’m curious about the 2 key learning elements you stated. Learning how to learning has been a life long search for me. (50+yrs + reading materail + workshops ect) Perhaps for me the terms you used are labeling complex data or just semantics. However, I am still curious. If you would like to inlighten me and have the time I would appreciate it very much. Especially the social. The affect is interesting. At this point my frame of reference is, accurate data on the delvelopment of the creation of the words, the phonetic aliement to produce the sounds the signal represent in accordane with vowel signal + stress indicators, the 26 letters abc’s multiple repreintations according to how the signal the sound, or indicate no sound by the rules of nature. And much more mainly the interaction of the person and the brain. The brain reserach is amazing. Thanks
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read to understand… https://www.hyperorg.com/misc/stupidnet.html
p.s. Great article Robert.
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below is a paragraph i wrote on what must be done before we all see the end of the internet as we know it our net is worse that that of third world countries
they are beginning to enforce caps in my area as well, this is detrimental to the conveyance of information in America. Our isp’s have created a monopoly and are making profit from the ignorance of their users. We as a people at this point have only one way of fighting back. That is to stand up together and once and for all Completely and utterly destroy them financially by going on strike. by canceling our service. phone, internet, cable. until they see that we as a people will not be walked on like trash. In essence we need to form a union of consumers. we need to select a date of when the strike will begin and do it. All of America at once when it hits their wallets bad enough maybe we can beat the stupid out of them. go to your facebook, your twitter, your myspace if you still use it, your youtube, your blog, and start posting this idea. Don’t let this stop here we need to push this as far as it can go to make a change. If we don’t. we will never be able to. don’t let a about month or so of no phone, cable, or internet deter you from doing what you were meant to do to stand up and say no I will not spend the rest of my life wishing I could watch that movie, or call my cousin, or play that game come on people let’s do this thing now
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“generally 250 gigabytes-per-month for home users” – I don’ think this will work out as there are many home based workers in today’s world and they require something more for their online activity. I know some Jewelry freelances who have also used across 386 gigabytes in a month. So I think its better for them to think over it again.