There was a minor flap in tech news last week when the CEO of Activision, a huge video game company, called on Sony to drop the price of its PlayStation 3 game console, suggesting that if Sony didn’t follow this advice Activision would consider withdrawing support for the game platform altogether. I hardly expect Activision to withdraw its PS3 support, nor do I expect Sony to dramatically reduce the price of systems that have already effectively dropped 20 percent or more in Sony’s top market, the U.S., because of the weak dollar. To the astonishment of hard-core gamers, in fact, I’d suggest that this little drama has nothing to do with game sales or games at all, but is instead directed at the Blu-Ray optical disk drive inside every PS3. The dude from Activision, sensing blood in the water, is trying to look like a shark, for there is growing sentiment in the industry that Blu-Ray, as it was originally intended, is a failure.
How can that be? Wasn’t it just a year ago that Blu-Ray, with its greater data capacity, triumphed over the opposing HD-DVD standard? Well promises were made to achieve that victory and now it appears promises may have been broken.
Understand that the success or failure of Blu-Ray has little to do with games and everything to do with movies. Two historical events informed the battle between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. First was the epic and costly 1980‘s competition between the BetaMax and VHS tape cassette standards. Second was the triumphant succession of DVD over VHS, when we all replaced our tape libraries with disks, gladly paying anew for what we already owned, buying every Hollywood exec a new Mercedes in the process.
Re-fighting the battle between BetaMax and VHS was something the industry wanted to avoid when it came to an emerging HD video standard, There had been for a moment such a potential conflict for DVD but the opposing forces were brought to a compromise by the movie studios, themselves, and a single technical standard emerged, pumping billions into the movie business as a result. That’s the same goal that all sides had in the HD video fight — to get it over with quickly and get us all replacing our video libraries with HD.
According to Hollywood insiders who speak with me, the HD video battle was again decided by the studios when Disney and 20th Century Fox went with Blu-Ray in 2008. The leader in that decision was reportedly Disney, which had 35 animated classic films it envisioned bringing to market in a data rich format with lots of extra material — so much material and games that HD-DVD, with its lower capacity, couldn’t hold it all on a single disk. So it was Blu-Ray’s greater capacity that swayed Disney, along with Sony’s promise that the rampant success of PS3 game machines would quickly put Blu-Ray drives in most American living rooms.
The Disney fantasy was that Blu-Ray would triumph, PS3s would be everywhere, and American families would, all over again, buy enhanced copies of the 35 animated classics, sending up to $7 billion to Disney.
Well so far it hasn’t happened.
Yes, there are millions of PS3s in use, but millions more xBox360s and Nintendo Wii’s. PlayStation 3 is the third-best-selling next-gen game console — third out of three, which is the wrong place to be for any competing tech standard that hopes to dominate. Game consoles that have already been on the market for a year or more don’t suddenly win from behind like Seabiscuit. Sony sells more PS2s still than PS3s. PS3 was a year late to market, had supply problems, fewer game titles, and those titles usually cost a bit more than on other platforms. But what really killed it for the movie studios was something completely different and unanticipated — the need for an HDTV to go with each PS3 Blu-Ray player.
Both the VCR and DVD revolutions required that just a single revolutionary (in the case of DVD, evolutionary) product be successful. Your TV remained the same. You can play a DVD on a DuMont black & white TV set from 1956, but Blu-Ray — unless you are not taking advantage of any of its, well, advantages — requires a whole new TV. The chances of people buying simultaneously an HDTV AND a PS3 were lower and so was the dual penetration with the result that Blu-Ray disk sales, while not terrible, are also not material, yet, to the movie industry. And the question now is whether they ever will be material?
Blu-Ray will survive, but will it be just for cinephiles? That depends on how the 1080p download market evolves (which is why Apple has yet to sell a computer with a Blu-Ray disk installed, seeing it as eventual channel conflict with iTunes) or whether a new HD-DVD standard will emerge to compete again with Blu-Ray.
And don’t forget the impact of up-converting progressive-scan DVD players, which even Sony sells: I just bought one for $44.77 at Wal-Mart and driving the 720p display in my RV makes a standard-definition DVD of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory look amazingly good. Not good enough for a cinephile, but that’s five percent of the video market, tops.
Yes, Blu-Ray is better, but for many people the incentives aren’t there, which leaves us still looking for a higher-density data standard that ideally costs less than Blu-Ray. That particular need, especially in the PC industry, never went away.
This alternate standard is coming, I’m sure, and don’t be surprised if it turns out to be pretty much the same HD-DVD that lost-out a year ago, though this time probably not under the Toshiba brand. It would make a superior archival platform and might even be used for HD video, too. Retooling a factory to stamp HD-DVDs costs millions less than upgrading to Blu-Ray and the eventual disks are significantly cheaper.
But that The Making of Bambi featurette may have to go.
Don’t forget that how far you sit from your hi-def TV set also matters. The further away the less likely you are to see the difference. Also Bluray has newer sound codecs and to take best advantage of them you need a new audio receiver and more speakers!
I also think Sony shot themselves in the foot with Bluray disc content. You remember how DVDs however many years back would force you to watch trailers and ads, and how the movie companies eventually came back to their senses and let you escape to the main menu? Well Bluray discs go back to the bad old days with all sorts of unskippable stuff. To the consumer it a big reminded that it isn’t your disk and your player but belongs to Sony and movie company to abuse as they see fit.
I hate sitting through the unskippable (and even skippable) junk.
Has this practice really changed with standard DVDs? My experience is no. There are still trailers and other garbage (especially on kids’ titles.)
And this isn’t even including the ridiculous warnings & ratings that you have to sit though every time you pop the disc in.
I like owning my own media, but have basically stopped buying DVDs for just this reason.
I couldn’t agree more. If you’ve bought the DVD, why should you be forced to sit through an anti-piracy trailer each time?
Also, why doesn’t the DVD remember your position in the movie when you last stopped watching it? That “scene selection” nonsense is garbage. At least VHS remembered your position when you took the tape out.
When you double the diagonal you make the picture area four times bigger, so you need four times the number of pixels to maintain picture quality. This assumes you sit at the same distance, which you should, if you want to improve the overall viewing experience.
I’m still using a 20 incher without HDTV because I’m waiting for the entire industry to get it’s act together. This includes convenient recording and place shifting as I can do with VCRs and TVs with built-in VCRs. HD streaming is bad because it saturates the home network bandwidth. I need to be able to record 3 HD shows simultaneously and the play them back when and where I like. We need cable-ready HDTVs that can receive switched digital cable with at least 3 cable cards for premium content (TWC requires cards or their box for ALL digital channels.) And they should ideally record to flash memory for portability like if you need to record more channels simultaneously than one TV is capable of. After these basics are covered, I’m looking forward to bigger HDTV pictures which demand the quality of Blu-ray, regardless of disk cost.
A HD Tivo can already do everything you asked, except it records 2 channels at a time instead of 3. I can pull the HD content off my Tivo onto my computer using free Tivo2Go software. Of course, it’s huge — 6GB for a 1-hour show — but it’s full HD.
What you are waiting for has already arrived — Tivo is only one form.
-Erica
It is trivial to do what you want.
(a) Get hold of an Intel Mac.
(b) Buy 3 EyeTV hybrid tuners.
(c) Buy a microwave amplifier to amplify your HDTV signal enough to drive 3 tuners. (I use a PCT-MA2-4P which you can get from Amazon for aout $40.)
(d) Buy a big hard drive or two or three.
The combo will allow you full control of what you record, and while the EyeTV software is not perfect, it appears to be a whole lot better than any alternative.
A Tivo may be cheaper than the full selection of above hardware, but is far less flexible.
Both of these replys to my post illustrate how bad the situation is. I don’t want to record anything to my PC nor do I want to buy a Mac or kludge a bunch of hardware gadgets. Neither does my mom who doesn’t own a computer. I want to record to a medium that I can move from one TV to another, like a tape or a flash card. Two TIVOs at each location would almost solve the problem by eliminating the need for portability and the need to use the home network bandwidth, IF TIVO (or the cable cards plugged in to it) supported switched digital video, which the cable companies are moving towards. All of this should work with HD cable and so-called premium content.
I couldn’t agree more. Your suggestions are aimed at an audience that is very skilled and technical. I still am waiting for a better solution than VCR. I want digital content that I can record and that is easily movable without having to worry about codecs, formats, versions etc. VCR still cannot be beaten in terms of mobility and ease of use. My mum can understand VCR!
It always seemed weird to me that Blu Ray was expected to be so successful. All it boils down to is DVD with a better picture. DVD totally revolutionized video, Blu Ray just makes it a little sharper.
Perhaps Blu Ray is the SACD equivalent.
I think you have hit the nail on the head – few users care about picture quality, they care about ease of use. DVD was a dramatic change from video tapes, but Blu-Ray is only a change in capacity and pixels. I discuss this at length in my blog at https://www.embeddedgurus.net/usability-bites/2008/11/numbers-game-how-we-oversell-wrong.html.
I believe talkingfuture has it right. BluRay may be better but it is not better enough to drive adoption. I happen to believe that this also applies to the PS3 v PS2 and xBox 360 The PS3 may be better but the PS2 and XBox 360 both three CPU machine (I’m counting generously with the PS2’s semi integrated coprocessor arch.) do a roughly similar job of sound and video production. The PS2 has a larger game library and is still getting new releases including games also released on the 360. The PS3 is just not better enough to drive excitement. It’s kinda like Intel processors today they aren’t exciting because they have essentially hit the wall. Aside from adding more bugs to windows there are few possible ways in which the Intel Core 2 Duo is any better than say an 800 mhz G4 for most people. (I know some people need the ram but they are still the exception). Coming back to video BluRay v DVD is just not noticeable without a lot of new hardware and the expertise to get more out of the setup. Seriously, some BluRay players even fail the 8yr old test… if the 8 yr old can’t figure it out than there is no way my mom can.
See also the Google Talk video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NVvrYIOBBk
talkingfuture says:Perhaps Blu Ray is the SACD equivalent.
Rather than invest in HD hardware, I’ve put my money into an AppleTV, extra hard drives, new Macs for the house and upgraded networking (wireless N). After ripping all our DVD’s to disk, are stored on a MacMini with a couple 1TB drives hanging off it. Besides being family iTunes server, it’s also our webserver, iPhoto server and document server. Am very impressed how well newer Macs with wireless N adapters can stream movies from this, even when it’s also feeding the AppleTV hooked up to our 720P LCD tv (5 years old). Both 8 year old and my Mom have the Apple TV and shared iTunes directory figured out so ease of use has been proofed. Would I like to have higher res/larger TV with full 1080P HD content? Sure, but for now, things are good enough.
Is similar to how mp3/aac files on music players have trumped CD/SACD on decent audio gear. Ease of use wins the day.
Wow, that sounds like my dream entertainment set up. I am just in the process of ripping DVDs to my Mac.
I also believe the licensing fees that Activision/Blizzard pay also come into the equation. I think it may be too early to declare winner and losers in this.
I like my PS3 Blu-Ray player, I don’t like the high cost of movies, But as always happens prices will come down. Big box trilogies will be released, Lord Of the Rings. Star Wars, Indiana Jones. And HDTV’s are now your only option to buy new. It may take a while for people to catch up, but once they do, Blu-Ray will become ubiquitous.
I have my doubts on download. I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop and the prices to really be set.
Funny thing is I recently bought a HD-DVD player for $75 (clearance sale). I just wanted it to upscale regular DVDs through HDMI, but it would be nice to get full-HD movies for it. 🙂
With Steve Jobs as Disney’s biggest shareholder and de facto policy-maker at Apple, your argument that Apple doesn’t include BR drives in its products doesn’t make a lot of sense in the short term (the long term is a different matter). Jobs would probably make a lot of money from Disney BluRay sales and Apple might even sell a few more computers. Does Jobs put policy before his own pockets? Perhaps.
We’ve a BluRay player and an Apple TV displaying on a 52″ Samsung A750 LCD. While there is a small difference in quality (ATV is compressed and runs at 720p usually with 5.1 sound), it wouldn’t take a lot to push that up to 1080p and 7.1 (just an system upgrade and fatter Internet pipe). Moreover, for sheer convenience and not wanting to watch many movies more than once, the ATV saves space and money. I think Jobs knows that BluRay has a short half-life and that by the time most homes have 1080p >37″ screen TVs, downloading will rule the roost. But I still don’t know what he has to lose in the short term…
Steve Jobs, and Apple in general, is Apple first and always, regardless of Jobs’s “biggest shareholder” status @ Disney. Where synergy can be achieved (using iTunes to sell Disney titles that they won’t put on CD, like the Black Hole soundtrack), good.
But Jobs isn’t going to change Apple to suit Disney income. Rather the other way around. Disney’s competition is fierce, but consistent. Disney’s shares are reflective of the economy as a whole (as recessions his tourism dollars and movie tickets), but it’s not something he’s really concerned with.
Apple remains in a very competitive and variable space with Google, Microsoft, and others, and is MUCH more vulnerable, stock-price wise. He sneezed and Disney’s stock did nothing. He sneezed and Apple’s stock dropped by 10 percent for a month. That is a *critical* difference in how he has to manage the two companies. Iger’s in charge at Disney, and Jobs isn’t going to do anything to harm that unless things really drop as they did in the late Eisner era.
Talkingfuture hits the nail on the head — BluRay is superior to DVD, but only incrementally so. It’s not exponentially better, as DVD was to VHS. Even though I have a BluRay player, I have not replaced my DVD collection nor do I intend to. However, I do rent them from Netflix.
That aside, I think the thrust of this post is somewhat askew, conflating as it does BluRay with PS3. You can’t pronounce BluRay a flop based on the gaming market.
I haven’t buy into the whole Blue-ray technology yet. I keep hearing of some new technology that stores even more data than Blue-ray. As for PS3, I totally agree with Bob’s assessment. It’s too expensive, games are more expensive, not much exclusive titles, niche market for expert gamers not casual gamers, and current global recession. I got a Wii and it has serve me well. I didn’t mod my Wii, guess I could but don’t have time to download and burn to disc. Buy like 3 Wii games a year. I download movies/tv shows cause it’s fast, I watch them on notebook and delete them afterwards. If I really like the movie, I save it to external hard drive. I don’t have Tivo or Slingbox. Don’t have VCR or PVR. I like keeping cost down. I don’t care much for additional content on Blue-ray disc. Don’t have shelf full of CD, DVD, or Blue-ray disc. I like my home to have less clutter. No iTunes or iPod. Guess I am not the target audience for Sony or Disney.
It appears to me and in my own personal library that bluray is a success. The isle at my local Frys show this to be true.
However PS3 appears to be a failure. I use it as a cheap and up-to-date bluray player (and a fine one at that). It gets console updates to support the latest bluray goodies and features but as a gaming platform its pretty much dead in comparison to Xbox or Wii.
I seriously doubt we’ll see HD-DVD or the retooling of it considering that blueray discs made pretty darn well, not to mention cheaply -in some estimates cheaper then DVDs themselves. But will those savings be passed on to the consumer? As a data medium it has yet to be beat, as for movies -the price is in the product. You are getting a hell of alot of data, virtually a perfect cinema copy that naturally makes the authors nervous about releasing it into the wild. One of its main copying deterrent is well, that’s a lot of data to be shuffling around/ripping/compressing if you want to bother.
You get what you pay for and Blue-ray appears to be pretty decent in that department.
Media tank devices are going to become much more important than any removable media. Popcorn hour, eGreat, Western Digital, etc. etc. Apple and iTunes were right to avoid Bluray. It’d be good if places like Blockbuster could offer a memory key transfer service. Actually, you could have a movie kiosk pretty much anywhere, such a memory key station could fit even in a vending machine at the typical self-serve gas station.
As usual Gizmag is just that little bit more insightful than Cringely. Sorry, Bob.
https://www.gizmag.com/media-streamers–the-future-of-home-entertainment/12019/
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And your point is…?
Watching a DVD on a 1950’s era TV set is akin to watching a BluRay on 1990’s era TV set.
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Until now home entertainment upgrades were an incremental process. We started with B&W, moved to color, moved to bigger color, then added VCR’s, then a few years later added DVD’s. With each step the cost was reasonable. It is important to note we were not hit with the costs of everything at once.
Today we need a HDTV. The cost is easily 2.5x more than what I paid for a good color TV a few years ago. I’d like a good DVR. I can only get them (retail) from TiVo, the Satellite TV folks, or my cable provider. They come with a monthly fee. They don’t receive and play everything I need them too. Add a blu-ray and a few other things, I am seriously out of money.
I got curious and did some poking around. I found some nice chipsets that can process 4 video sources, support most of the video formats I want, provide DVR capabilties. The chips cost less than $50, a lot less. The technology is there to provide us good consumer products at a good mass market price. Where are the products?
The entertainment industry and the electronics industry want to make big bucks from the conversion to HD. Guess what, the price is too steep and the consumer is voting with their check book. They are voting — not now. Maybe it is time for big industry to rethink things and lower their greed a bit. The consumer is sending a message, loud and clear.
The problem is not the hardware at this point. The problem is content. The owners of all the bits we want to recreate want to get paid a 2nd, 3rd or even 4th time for the data we already bought. So no matter how great the chipset is, it’s no good without those bits 🙁
Finally bit the bullet and bought a nice mid-range 46″ hd tv (sony z series). Also considered buying a ps3 to play blu-ray disks but the retailer wanted $500+ for a ps3 “bundle”. Forget that!
Ended up with an LG blu-ray player ($220) that can be hooked up to my home network and we now have access to netflix on-demand and you-tube. Way cool!
Maybe if the ps3 would have been cheaper would have considered it, but having all those netflix titles any time we want is making me think about dropping cable or maybe just falling back to the basic subscription.
Now if netflix had music cd’s on demand…
Sorry, Robert, but HD DVD was an even bigger failure for storage than for movies. Even though Toshiba and HP shipped PC’s with HD DVD writers, they never got -RW format working, and -R didn’t work particularly well. The optical technology which allows BD to reliably store 50GB on a disc (with multiples of that number said to be on their way) require retooling of the manufacturing plants, but the good news is Blu-ray has been well-enough adopted that there are many more lines than there were a year ago and costs continue to drop.
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HD-DVD also requires a new TV set. Both Blu Ray and HD-DVD would have that mountain to climb. Once you have the TV, you really ought to buy a Blu Ray player to get the most out of it. But I admit, it’s not worth buying the TV just to get Blu Ray.
After 4 years of DVD, I stopped buying movies, and this trend has continued with Blu Ray. I bought Planet Earth and rent the rest.
I wonder if that trend is for others. Are their two battles? The TV hurdle and a possible slippage in disc sales.
Other than at Christmas for the kid, haven’t bought any DVD movies since I got Apple TV a year ago. We have purchased about 8 movies from iTunes store, though. Mostly from the .99¢ specials they have every week. I could see if there was another Lord of the Rings, with really nice extra content but even now, those disks are up on the shelf and we only watch the ripped movie files on the Apple Tv.
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i am and have always been most interested in the convenience and longevity of my media, and am underwhelmed by hdtv (now that it has finally arrived). disks are better than tape, and for now, cheaper and easier to archive than downloads. bluray and hddvd offer nothing new in either area, as far as i can see. i will continue collecting standard definition dvds, especially now that their price has plummeted to $5-10 for anything but new titles. get back to me when you have halographic storage or a super-cheap drobo-server of some kind.
How many copies of Blade Runner do they expect us to buy?
Am waiting for the Snake Plissken version.
If DVD and Blue-Ray were Microsoft operating systems, DVD would be “discontinued” and everyone would be forced to buy the failure.
Using this analogy, Microsoft would currently be pushing Blue Ray 7 and offering it as a $30 upgrade by way of apology to Blue Ray adopters.
I feel sorry for the poor girl in the photo. Any standard that forces people to dress like that has gotta fail!
I just got a Panasonic BD60 Blu-Ray player and I love it. The cases are cheap compare to a dvd. I dropped one and the bottom chipped.
The problem I see is when you see “Taken” out on Blu-Ray and DVD then week and the DVD is $15 and the Blu-Ray is $25+ the question become it was a good movie but is $10 more worth it?
They need to find a way to lower the cost of Blu-Ray or stop making DVD’s. In a perfect world I would say a HD movie should only cost $5 more then the DVD.
The good news is if you look on Amazon they do got a lot of good deals on box sets and older top movies like “Man on Fire” (19.99) and “Traning Day” (12.99)
It would be nice to see a standard price across the board for new movies on Blu-Ray.
That whole article so you could use the term “dual penetration”…? Bob, really…
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If there’s a lesson to be learned, it’s that the CE companies shouldn’t engage in a format wars.
Competing formats only serve to confuse consumers, most of whom don’t care about the technical details. Ease of use and readily available software (content) trump every other factor.
I’m surprised that Bob omitted the fact that the DVD format itself came about after a skirmish that was quickly settled (using Toshiba’s technology) and allowed DVD players to be the most rapidly adopted CE devices in history at that time.
When it came time to transition video discs to HD, the only surprise is that Toshiba managed to put up such a good fight when most of the hardware players with any size and influence were in the Blu-ray camp. But the promise of a cheap date was too much for Hollywood to resist.
Nobody cares about the difference between DVD and Blu-Ray. That’s what it boils down to. I guess when all the studio executives’ Mercedeses outlive their usefulness, they’ll have to trade them in for Toyotas instead. Excuse me while I shed a tear for them.
So, Bob, you’re saying the Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD war was decided on a fair comparison of the merits of each technology? Politics, influence, and outright bribes had nothing to do with it?
Like it EVER happens that way.
At the risk of being labeled a conspiracy theorist, I’m convinced that the studios lined up next to the highest bidder: Sony.
That’s the way it’s always done.
I prefer my blu-ray player, though as a consumer device it is a pale comparison to my high-end DVD player. As far as the industry is concerned, perhaps their problem is that I decided when I bought it that I would not be replacing my DVD collection, but instead rent. After several years, I own less than 5 blu-ray movies and one of those came with the player.
Let’s not forget the obvious. People spent money to upgrade from a rectangle to a circle. Most people will not want to upgrade from a circle to … another circle.
We have 9 Tb of raid 5 and an extensive DVD library, we lived in the Middle East for 7 years and collected them. I have transfered all of our DVDs to the raid array and have a PC at the TV (46 inch LCD) with a high end video card and an HDMI connection to the TV. Streaming is done over a powerline ethernet connection (67 Mb capacity). The RAID infrastructure is on Gb network. The image is ammazingly good. I do not plan to upgrade.
The failure of Blu-ray to trigger millions of people to run out and replace all our DVDs has nothing to do with the new format or the price of the players/TVs. It has everything to do with DVD being good enough for the vast majority of people.
DVD was a HUGE improvement over VHS which wore out, jammed and needed “tracking” adjustments or VHS players that occasionally ate movies or had rewind features that wore out. People couldn’t wait to get rid of these problems. DVDs don’t suffer from any intrinsic design flaws and quality is more than adequate for most.
And no one needs another rotating media format for PCs. Apple knows this. The lack of Blu-ray in the Mac product line has as much to do with the conflict of interest between iTunes and Blu-ray as it does between solid state storage and rotating drives. That SD slot on the Macbook Pro isn’t just there for reading pictures off your camera. 🙂
Watch how this plays out over the next two years, soon you may not even see a DVD drive shipping inside Apple’s Macbooks.
Rethinking my first comment.
HDTV’s are still considerably more expensive than their predecessors. At this price level purchases will remain slow. The price is high enough it forces one to delay the purchase of other big ticket items.
We are in the middle of a serious recession. Our existing TV’s and DVD players are working quite fine, thank you.
The industry business forecasts are definitely too high and too greedy. They have set a very high bar. If they are measuring the success or failure based on their forecasts, then maybe they need to rethink things.
I am not going to buy a Playstation to get a blu-ray player. Sorry the game system goes on a separate TV, on an old TV, and in a separate room. And BTW, we switched to Xbox 360. Got tired waiting on Sony. The new Playstation is way to expensive. We’re not going back for the sole reason of getting a blu-ray player. Sony, you’ve lost us as customers. That ship has sailed.
Entertainment Industry, wake up! I am not going to buy my favorite movies a THIRD time. When there are new movies AND the price is the same as DVD, will buy the HD version. When the price of the existing movies is available in HD at the current, very discounted prices, we might buy a few replacements. My movie and music purchases are like books. I want to buy them once and own them indefinitely. I do not accept the business model where I am expected to replace my library every 10 years. If you want me to buy more of your content, produce more, new, and good content.
Maybe blu-ray is not a failure. Maybe the entertainment industry’s expectations and business plans are at fault.
I live in South Africa and can hire Blu-Ray disks here. That’s quite a footprint that will take some dislodging.
Also, the U.S. has just switched over to digital TV. Give it a year or two to warm up, but many more than videophiles will be buying serious TV’s as soon as the economy comes back.
Someone needs to explain to me why people even bother to buy disks. Who watches the same movie over and over again, when there are thousands to rent for a few bucks? Doesn’t it get tiring? I don’t get it. Except, of course, for small children who need to be kept quiet on a long car trip.
I think the recession will cause consumers to cut back on frivolous expenses like this. It will be another driver toward streaming and other rental models.
I buy movies on DVD. I watch them more than once. I also buy books and read them more than once. I’ve bought games and played them more than once. I even buy music and listen to it more than once. Even though I already know how it ends.
Agreed, I can’t watch a movie more than twice. I record all my movies off the TV. Buying DVDs is just flushing money down the toilet.
Interesting article. Personally I think the whole ‘HD’ thing has been overplayed. Most people I know have an HDTV (mostly because that’s all you can buy these days) but only one of them subscribes to an HDTV service. Similarly with ‘spinning disc’ technologies, the only person I know with a blu-ray drive was my son, via his PS3 – and he’s just sold that.
The truth is that I’m just not interested enough in a ‘better’ picture, and in an era of youtube and BBC iPlayer you have to truly wonder if anyone is? Add the high cost of drives, then the high cost of the media into the mix and it’s not looking too clever is it?
A few years back I got a 32″ HDTV the 2nd year they were out. (on sale as I buy almost everything.) No HDMI. (it’s now in the bedroom with the old DVD and VCR.) The next year I got another new HDTV with HDMI. no surround sound OUT Previous hook ups to the stereo and then TV have met with very disappinting results. No receiver or home theater on the market can compare to a direct connection. That should come as no suprise to anyone. Then I bought a PS3 this last new year’s. Bought a few games and some Blu ray movies that were on sale. I have my PS3 in the TV via HDMI and (this was great!) able to get the sound out via optical to my stereo via the PS3 set up menu. I also have an HD Cable box that has no HDMI out but at least has optical sound out. Thank goodness the stereo has 2 optical in inputs. I have Casino Royale on DVD and Blu ray and have seen it on HD TV. DVD picture is okay sound okay. HDTV picture way better and sound was fine. Blu ray best picture by a long shot and sound is way way better. HDTV sound is muffled in the center. regular DVD sound is stereo split into surround so it doesn’t know what is supposed to come from where. Blu ray sound is preciously what is supposed to happen the car goes left to right, the other car comes front to back and mixes it all great. BONUS… What DVD player can be used to race cars! With a logitech G25 sterring wheel (This cost a bundle but is worth it.) I have had hundreds of hours of fun racing around the world. The BAD…. COST. I don’t buy new blu ray movies. the premium prices shock me. I wll only buy the movies I know will be watched several times. I seldom rent blu ray movies either. at $2.00 more per rental they are just not worth the extra expense to watch “she’s just not that into you” on blu ray. Bringing down the cost of the PS3 hardware is not the biggest problem… (They need to bundle more movies and games with it just as Disney is giving the DVD and blu ray discs together.) … so much as the movies are just way too much when compared to the same titles on DVD for about 1/2 the price. Blu Ray movies on sale at Walmart for example are about 15-20 dollars. The same titles on sale DVD are 5-12 dollars
Sony is just another corporation that tries to milk the cow as much as they can. Same as car and oil companies,newspapers, Microsoft etc. they just can’t stop milking the cow until the cow dies.
Gasoline internal engine, delivering media on discs, news on paper is dead as dead fish.
As history suggests only some new companies will get the future right. I hope Tesla will do well.
Most of them will be around but same as New GM and Chrysler they will have to make drastic downsize. Nothing new. History just repeats itself. Internet will make history as one of the major technological advances for humans. It made rich lot of people and made poor lot of them too.
Activisions saber rattling is not about bluray as a failure at all. Actiblizzard doesn’t care how well blu sells as a movie format because they don’t make movies. Duh! Bobby Kotick is greedy and all this tough talk is ether disappointment in the return on investment on ps3 ports or sour grapes over licensing costs. Also the general sentiment is that the ps3 needs a price cut to kickstart sales.
I gotta take issue with your statement that ps2 outsells the ps3. Yeah for a month after it dropped to $99 but thats not the norm
Yeah blu is off to slow start but with all the prices dropping on the players and people upgrading tv’s blu is going to look a lot better in a year or two.
Now if only they would drop the price on the actual movies!
I live in Thailand and for many years the only legal DVDs you could get were the dregs of the studio archives. The pirates filled the gaps, and street stalls were offering an amazing collection of titles while the legal shops had “Look Who’s Talking Too.” Once driven past the line into the grey market, many of us never looked back. With TV it’s the same. Local cable had poor offerings at low resolution. So — we learned to use BitTorrent.
Sure, I’m technically breaking the law, but I can download all the TV shows and movies I want, drop them on a thumb drive, and stick the thumb drive into the USB slot on my cheap, upscaling, zone-free DVD player attached to my LCD TV. Free, fast, and environmentally friendly. If a friend wants to borrow a copy, they come over with a thumb drive.
Blu-Ray sales here are very, very slow.
Wasn’t the last format war between DVD-A and SACD? And it ended with both pretty well dead? Surely that’s the scenario the CE industry wanted to avoid?
Please, every one, it’s properly formatted as “Blu-ray” not Blue-Ray, BluRay, Blu-Ray or anything else. Type it with me now – “Blu-ray”. Or save yourself the trouble and just use BD, which is also acceptable.
In a couple of years when BD players are $10 more than a DVD player, you will see people buying more BD players than DVD players. When the BD movies are $1 more than on a DVD, you will see people buying BDs instead.
At Netflix, the blu-ray option is $3 a month. If you go through 10 movies a month, that isn’t much of a premium. I hardly ever buy movies anymore. But it is going to hard to sell Blu-ray when there are so many people hooking up their upscaling DVD players to their Hi-Def television with the composite cables that came in the box and are satisfied with the result.
It’s a pretty tough sell talking people into the incremental quality increase from DVD to Blu-Ray when the vast majority of the people out there are perfectly happy watching pirated 650 megabyte AVIs ripped from DVD.
Despite numerous attempts, no superior audio formats have displaced CDs, and Blu-Ray will never displace DVDs.
At least until we have 3D LCD screens…
Blu-ray walks all over DVD.
If any of you cannot see a obvious difference in PQ, AQ, and better color – schedule an appointment at Pearle Vision.
Y’all are blind.
No need to go out and replace all your DVDs, Blu-ray players will play and up-convert DVDs great.
Now, if you REALLY would like to see your favorite movie better than you ever have, buy it on Blu.
No one wants to remember what a DVD cost 3 years in(Blu-ray is just 3 years old people).
DVDs were *NOT CHEAP*.
Players cost a mint too!
I can sure see a difference between DVD and Blu-ray.
We have three HD sets dating back over seven years. We are probably equally thrilled over how much less space they take up as furniture as we are with picture and sound. I don’t own Blu-ray and don’t plan to. I’m happy using my Apple TV and could care less about the quality gap. I have no desire to clutter my home up with physical media, pay late charges or drop something in the post.
In my, view convenience and not cluttering my home with all sorts of ugly junk are way more important than picture quality.
Funny, my PS3 worked fine with my 29″ Sony tube T.V. for a year before we upgraded to HDTV.
“Both the VCR and DVD revolutions required that just a single revolutionary (in the case of DVD, evolutionary) product be successful. Your TV remained the same. You can play a DVD on a DuMont black & white TV set from 1956”
Not the DVD revolution. I had to buy a new TV when I bought a DVD player. My old TV didn’t have a video socket so I connected the DVD player to the one on my VCR and the picture kept fading in and out when watching copy-protected disks.
If I have to buy yet another TV to watch BD, I’ll definitely give it a miss. When I am finally forced to go digital (analogue is still available in my country), I plan to buy a HD DVD recorder which I hope will downconvert to my existing set.
A few things:
* The _real_ nail in the HDDVD coffin was the Great Betrayal of Warner. When Warner abandoned HDDVD (for piles o’cash according to the rumor mill, upwards of $400MM) Universal, Paramount and Dreamworks were HD exclusives, while Fox, Disney, MGM were BD.
* HDDVD and Bluray video codecs are largely identical, though a 30GB HDDVD film requires a layer switch. At the end almost all HDDVDs were dual-layer (like most retail DVDs today) and a large portion if not majority of Bluray discs were 25GB single-layer.
* Thanks to the doom9 crew, HDDVD is easily crackable, and Bluray is largely crackable (though some newer discs take time to find cracks for). Cracking discs (via AnyDVD HD for Windows, a bunch of CLI tools for Linux) removes region coding and forced unskippable crap, like cracking normal DVDs do.
* SATA internal blu/hd reader from LG runs less than $100 now, I got the 6x burner/HD+BD reader for less than $200 a few weeks ago.. Get ready for 25G torrent rips!
* The biggest thing in the way of playing back a cracked AVI or MKV of HD content is the audio codec: the AVC video will play unmodified on any platform that supports HD (OSX, Win, Lin, etc) but the audio needs to be reencoded to standard multichannel AC3 or PCM. For example, I ended up doing a ffmpeg -vcodec copy for my Old School HDDVD, but I ended up reencoding -acodec ac3 with -ac 6..
* I have a 1080p set and sit within the recommended viewing distance, though I would def like bigger (only 56″, and my new place has a much bigger wall).. The bigger the set, the more you’ll see pixelation, so having 1080p source material is quite nice.
* That said, I doubt I’d pay more than $20 for a disc, and since HDDVD got shot in the face by WB the remaining discs have gone down significantly in price, compared to their Bluray equivalents (which likely only differ between Dolby Digital Plus vs Lossless TrueHD/DTS-MA)..
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Blue-Ray’s (and HD-DVD)window of opportunity has closed. The time when 20 G of data was cost prohibitive to transport any other way has passed. A 1TB HD can be had for less than $200. Many people now have 6Mb or faster broadband. There are too many other cheaper and simpler alternatives to get HD or near HD content. Cable operators will provide HD rentals of video-on-demand movies for like 6 bucks. Apple-TV offers near HD content for 4 or 5. And as was said, unless you have a fairly large (over 48″) 1080P monitor, even upconverted DVDs look damn good. Why spend $300 or more for blue-Ray? Sony and the HD-DVD camp blew it.
Seagate FreeAgent Desk 1TB 3.5″ can be had for $129.99 with free Shipping…Good buy Blue Ray!
The thing(s) that stopped me from diving into BluRay is that I can only watch it on my main HDTV. I have other TV’s in the house – all SD. Then there is the vacation home. All SD. I can’t watch BR discs anywhere else, and there aren’t any portable BR players with built in screen like there are for DVD. Even if there were, they’d be cost prohibitive. I don’t see many notebook PC’s with BR players. So, even if I get the PS3, I might buy the odd BR title, but I would still buy mostly plain old DVD’s for their portability and compatibility.
This doesn’t bode well for BR. The problem is that the standard is owned by Sony, and they, like the mafia, get their cut on every unit. Prices stay high, BR die…
Bottom line, people are getting very tired of getting screwed.
Formats are changing way too fast.
When I switched over from records to cd’s I was okay with it for many reasons, it was better in almost every way. And although the music industry was getting paid yet again for re-purchases they also made it worth the effort. If you remember at the time they couldn’t make every title on CD, so a whole crop of Greatest hits and Collections came out, this helped encourage sales. You could now have a lot of your favorite songs on one very portable disk – cool! and cost effective.
I still to this day don’t understand why so many people re-bought songs for their Ipods (Speaking of the demographic that already owned the music on CD). I realize there was a lazy factor but the idea of anyone making money YET AGAIN! on me buying the same damn music never sat well with me, so I never bought a song I already had, just copied it from my cds. I actually never owned an Ipod, my LG phone works just fine for that. ( I also can’t stand Apple and their monopolistic ways and how they get away with it because they seem cool, but that’s just my personal issue)
Sorry for the tangent.
Back to Movies, I buy DVDs because I love watching movies, my speakers alone are worth more then most people systems, I’m not bragging, I’m trying to make a point, I am someone who appreciates quality and LOVES to watch movies, if it wasn’t for movies I probably wouldn’t own a tv, that’s the truth. I love the experience only a movie can offer. And with that said I still don’t own a BluRay. I just can’t justify the cost and the obvious screwing of the public.
The cost in no way justifies the upgrade for the machine or the discs.
And why would I believe that this format is going to stick around more then 10- 15 years?
I’m only 40 years old, I’ve owned 8 tracks, cassettes, 45’s, LP’s, CD’s, mp3’s.
Movies went through less formats but still keep changing and we already know that a hard format is a dying bread. How many years will it be until downloading movies and saving them to a hard drive because the standard?
Unless the costs are the same as standard DVD, players and disc, they are fighting a tough battle. Especially in this economic environment.
Which brings up one more quick point, people only have so much disposable income, and I think people are realizing just because it’s new and shiny doesn’t mean it’s worth money that could be better spent elsewhere.
-dan
Dan, in OUR generation there were a lot of good music groups and they produced a lot of songs and a lot of albums. You can pick any popular group of the era, then randomly pick one of their albums and chances are you find at least a dozen good songs on it.
Now move to our kids generation. They have a favorite group, go to the store, shell out $15+ for a CD and on it are one, maybe two songs worth keeping. Worse, often some of the other songs would have very offensive material. The kids felt like they were being ripped off, and they were! They took matters in their own hands, and file sharing became popular.
Today we have iTunes in our house, several iPods, and a lot of music. I used to be worried about Apple, but I am not anymore. Apple changed the industry. They made it easy to buy individual songs or whole albums. They got most of the recording industry into the 21st century and selling songs electronically. Once that door was opened, others could do it too. Walmart is a big seller of electronic music. There are others. My kids have bought music from Walmart and loaded it into iTunes. We use iTunes primarily to manage our music and put it on our iPods. For that purpose it works very well. We do buy some music from Apple, but not that much. Most of our music came from CD’s or other legitimate MP3 sources.
There is a common assumption that if you have an iPod, you HAVE to buy your music from Apple. NOT TRUE. You can buy an iPod, NEVER purchase a single song from Apple, and still enjoy owning a great electronic music player. Thanks to Apple you can now buy most of your favorite music electronically…and from others.
Thanks to Apple you can now buy someone else’s MP3 player and all of your music from someone else. Apple brought the recording industry to the table and got them to agree to some reasonable pricing and terms of use for their music. Think about it…
Last weekend we went to a small summer concert in a local town park. The performers were a local group that is completely unknown outside of our community. They had produced a CD and were proudly selling them at the concert. They were also proudly giving away business cards with instruction on how to buy their music from iTunes.
Our kids didn’t have the multitude of great music choices we had growing up. One of the reasons for that is the recording industry stopped doing talent development. Today it is even harder for promising groups to get discovered, to get promoted, etc. With iTunes (and other services) there is now another way from them to get their music out into the world.
This seems like an appropriate topic on which to share one of the funniest bits I’ve seen in a long time. It appeared last February in The Onion. If you’ve never seen The Onion, imagine if Penn & Teller teamed up with the folks at Mad Magazine and took over CNN …. (Hey, that’s a hell of an idea on its own).
The Onion does a “news story” about Sony releasing a new product that doesn’t work and confounds its customer base. It’s hysterical.
Follow the link. You’ll love it.
https://www.theonion.com/content/video/sony_releases_new_stupid_piece_of
I agree the music industry has lost it’s way, and I will also agree that mp3’s are a great format, but kids these days still have access to all the old music. Yea it’s different, but it’s still there to enjoy. I’m amazed at how much older music my nephew listens to. He’s almost 14, but he loves older music, and I suspect he’s not alone.
I was under the impression that Ipods had their own file format, which I’m sure can be converted but the normal consumer would never learn or take the time to do. Plus the security encryption added on, again I have no idea how bad it is, but I was under the impression you can’t keep moving the songs around from player to player. I have a real problem with this. If I bought it, I own it, I should be able to keep it forever, not the lifespan of my computer or mp3 player.
I know you can download music for free (steal it) but I honestly have no problem paying for something I want. I have issues with re-paying for it. I also have issues with who gets the money.
As far as new music and the industry, they are short sighted idiots that shot themselves in the foot, and the only way they have survived is because of a technological win fall. They don’t invest in talent they only care about quick turnovers and pop sensations.
All and all, in my opinion it comes down to people wanting to make money without actually creating anything new. I’m pretty sure the Stock Market led this movement.
I don’t want to finance every new technology, only to wake up tomorrow with another collection of outdated formats.
Life cycles are way too short, and way to expensive. And I think people are starting to get tired of it.
iPods do not have their own file format, the format that Apple sells on the iTunes store is MP4 which is the official (non Apple) update to MP3, it’s a more efficient standard that compared to MP3 can either give the same sound quality with a smaller file size, or higher quality at the same file size. But as the commenter said earlier you do not have to fill the iPod with iTunes store tracks, it also supports MP3, AIFF, Apple Lossless and Wav formats. iTunes does not copy protect the tracks any longer, so you can move your music around as much as you like.
I have a little over 8,000 tracks in my iTunes library, most of these were ripped from my own CDs and vinyl records and because I am particular about sound quality they are all in lossless format. So there really is no lock in with iPods, this is FUD which Apple’s competitors used as an attempt to gain customers.
I meant to say AAC NOT MP4 (MP4 is a video format)
My bad
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“Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?” The original “Willie Wonka” is a much better version!
What Blu-ray needs is a killer app. 3D, anyone?
I think the price slash is the reason of blu-ray failure that may be economic crisis.
Things that are killing Blu-ray (none of which are “needing a new TV):
1. “The Lord of the Rings (Extended Editions)” is scheduled to be released on Blu-ray in 2011 or 2012. Same goes for other modern classics which people want to buy (rather than rent). Two years until there’s a compelling blu-ray release aside from “Planet Earth”. Blu-ray will always win A/B tests, but it can’t make a bad movie good.
2. DVD. DVD continues to look great, and always will. The resolution advantage of blu-ray is meaningless on 99% of televisions. Colors are what make video look great, not resolution.
3. Price. The only people buying blu-ray are the wealthy, and Netflix users.
How can Blu-ray succeed? The only way is for disc prices to drop to the same as DVD, and this has to be done soon. Blu-ray is less useful than DVD: you can’t play it in the DVD players that you have attached to all of your other TVs, you can’t play it in your laptop or portable player, you can’t play it in your minivan, you can’t rip it to your ipod, etc. This is negative value, and i estimate that it equals or outweighs the technical advantages for most consumers. As we learned from MP3 vs CD/SACD/DVD-A, convenience wins over minor quality differences.
Blu-ray doesn’t have the luxury of time that DVD had. When DVD (4-9 GB) came out in 1997, computers came with 2 GB and 4 GB hard drives, and there was no ipod. When Blu-Ray (25-50GB) came out in 2007, computers came with 250-500GB hard drives, and ipods had 80 GB drives. DVD had many years of storage size and cost advantage, while Blu-Ray has none.
Blu-Ray is on a path to failure, but can still be saved.
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Another kick in the azz being standard def dvd not using anywhere near full capacity for most movies. Between 4 and 6 GiB is average space utilization for the typical DVD9 title and the transfer from film is highly variable at that. Anywhere from 30 to 50% worth of MPEG2 left to waste but for over compression. Trailers fill some of the space but getting back to transfer quality, a great many standard def DVD’s are pressed with pure VHS quality crud. With SD DVD we seldom get what we expect paying for. Bottom line.
Now, lets look at the possibilities anew. How much video and audio improvement could be realized in nearly 9GiB of x.264 on a standard capacity DVD?
Precisely. We don’t need a new disk format, we need studios to take advantage of what we already have in SD capability and HD is a matter of taking advantage of codec improvements. And due note that every BlueRay performance I’ve seen to date comes nowhere near the capability of that technology and in fact demonstrates all of the artificial limitations impressed upon existing standards.
Most of you have it right. BlueRay is just an excuse to repurchase media.
I think broadband, usb flash drives, solid state drives, faster usb specs and cheap multiple terabyte platter drives are all going to make blueray/any removable optical disk media redundant, really, really quickly.
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#1. Sony has lost its mojo. You look at their products and will notice a definite decline of design and build quality from 80s and 90s, when they lead the electronic industry and everyone can only hope to catch up to its reputation. But they’ve caught up, and Sony in recent years has focused on polishing a few high end products for big margins but they made bad decisions everywhere in earning their bread and butter. Even Steve Jobs once admired Sony like everyone. Very soon Apple+Pixar will overtake Sony (+Disney; isn’t that interesting?) as the electronic and multimedia entertainment industry leader, even if not in pure sales volume but in technology and standards in user experience.
#2. Recession. Sony hoped every new home bought during the housing boom will also put in a new HDTV and Blue Ray player. That was a mirage.
People are happy with DVDs the way they weren’t with VHS – smaller, better quality, no rewinding, easy scanning. When price came down, it was an easy sale.
Blue Ray was better quality that less than 5% of the audience may care about. Blue Ray can store more content when the added content is is of questionable value. People are buying a movie.
And with many on-demand cloud options, and dirt cheap DVDs, the incentive to buy Blue Ray is tiny.
Blu-Ray’s problem is that while it was duking it out to become the physical HD standard, physical media and expensive single purpose devices became so 20th century. Consumers were not going to invest big bucks in upgrading their equipment and media until a winner in the HD wars was crowned. Blu-Ray finally won in 2008. By 2008, people had the ability to carry around thousands of songs and dozens of movies around in their pocket with an iPod. They could not only play games but could also watch t.v. programs and movies on demand via their XBox 360. With a computer they could access the same content using Hulu, YouTube, Joost, Amazon and Apple to name a few. And in 2008, many of these alternatives were also in HD (720p). It seems like everyone else saw the ‘physical media is dying’ writing on the wall except Sony. Sony/PS3/Blu-Ray may have won the HD battle, but unless they lower the cost of the devices and media, they’ve lost the war, especially to their arch foes Microsoft/XBox360/XBox Live and Apple/iPod/iTunes.
The barrier to entry for Blu-Ray has gotten significantly lower, $148 Magnavox
player at Walmart store. This player is not offered online but there is Sylvania
model for $178, https://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10902735.
Formerly the best deal was to purchase a PS3 to get Blu-Ray.
My prediction is <$100 by Christmas which will make Blu-Ray compelling whether
it is dead or undead 😉
How about some thoughts on the coming unlock of cell phones from carriers?
The current model is throw back to Ma Bell when you had to lease your telephone
from the benevolent dictator.
https://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_12762685
Christmas came early. Price has rolled back to $98.
PS/3 “slim” $299, http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10312144-1.html
Netflix on the PS/3, https://www.netflix.com/ps3
We already have a replacement for Blu-Ray, it’s Limelight/Akamai/Google delivered MPEG4 video over VDSL, DOCSIS 3.0 or GEPON fiber. We’re not there yet in 90% of the developed world, but 3Mbit Netflix is already as good as DVD and it runs on everything.
Existing edge networks have no problem pushing the required 10Mbit+ video streams over high speed broadband. They might need a bit more DRAM to handle all the requested short tail hits, but Metaram’s already peddling 16GB DDR3 DIMMs, so that’s easily solved in a few years by Moore’s Law.
On Price: There seems to be a possibility in BluRay versions of TV seasons.
The idea is that you can get both better quality and less disks and thus save on packaging costs as the whole season will fit in a standard slim BluRay box.
I hadn’t intended having my BluRay player for much more than having the *possibility* of playing BluyRay disks – mainly intending using it for upscaling – but when I found I could get Season One of the UK TV series “Life on Mars” for 10% more than the DVD version, I bought that version.
Paying real money more (starts at maybe 20% more) and I wouldn’t have done so.
Compare this with BluRay vs DVDs of single films.There you still have the same size packaging and the same number of disks (1) so there is no real incentive for the manufacturers to keep the pricing close to the DVD price.
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IMO the future is neither HD-DVD nor BlueRay, it’s solid state memory.
Think about it: today the cost per GB of an USB key is “almost comparable” to the one of a rewritable Blue Ray disc; but while the former is following a moore-like curve, the latter would require a “new standard” (new readers) to do “big steps” in terms of capacity.
In a couple of years a 64/128 GB USB stick will cost less than a “rewritable” Blue ray support at the maximum expected capacity, and likely a “read only” one will cost less than the industrial cost of a read-only disc.
This not mentioning the advantages of being solid state (smaller, more quiet, less power consumption), of not having a “reader” (you don’t have to upgrade/replace your interface to a solid state device, unless you need more speed) and, mostly, the possibility to include DRM/antitampering circuitry (which have house in a device, not on a support..*).
Did anyone notice that modern game consoles are moving to solid state memory for the games ?
Ciao,
A.
*) Not that I like this, but is a fact that who distributes movies, music or software.. will like it.
Funny how something old is new again.
All videos games were originally ROM based ala Magnavox pong,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pong.
The only original ideas in computer science are the 1 and the O 😉
My old Toshiba DVD player – so old that I paid over $200 for it – is dying. I’ve popped it open and fixed it a couple times, but the bushings in the motor are going to go before too long. So I thought I would give BR a look, now that it is the de-facto standard, and the thing that struck me is how few decent players there are at the same $200-$300 price point. That’s about as much as I want to gamble on a standard that has an ‘iffy’ future, and almost every player (there are not many) has serious downsides (lousy loading times, poor design, limited interface choices). As you mentioned, I can get up-converting players for 1/4 the price and still have a pretty great picture.
I’m not a bleeding edge buyer, but I’m in the wave behind, and if you can’t sell me BR, it has a limited future.
Imagine a wireless technology that was fast enough, reliable enough, cheap enough and universal enough to perfectly, instantaneously and simultaneously stream multiple HD movies to your hand-held devices as well as the bigger screens around your home.
That doesn’t technology exist yet, and investment in the current and new technology to push it towards actually coming into being are (unsurprisingly) fraught with an even higher level of infrastructure worries, technical problems, market unpredictability and format wars than Blu-Ray is experiencing.
But, and here’s the big question, when this technology does eventually exist (and it will – give it time), why would anyone give a damn about holding a hard-copy in their hands any more?
I predict that Blu-Ray will be the second-to-last major hard-copy media format to be released. There’s life in the physical universe yet – but it’s dying for sure.
It already exists. It’s called Ultra Wide Band. The problem is the fricken FCC won’t allow it to be broadcast at high power.
We are talking about archiving, not straight storage. Firstly you shouldn’t be archiving on hard disks, no matter how much storage capacity you have. It simply makes no sense from a technical, functional, compliance, and archival perspective. Archives must be on long term removable media that will require no migrations every few years, cost astronomical amounts to power and cool (between spin ups and spin downs), unpredictably fail (we all know about how disk clusters fail), must be available in the long term and more importantly must be written in non proprietary format. Hard disk does not meet any of this requirements regardless of how large a capacity you have.
When organizations talk about archiving it’s because they already have disk clusters and are referring to professional grade information archiving based on ILM (information lifecycle management) protocols. As of a week ago, Toshiba gave up it’s HD pipe dreams and joined the Blu Ray consortium. This is an indicator of whats to come. I think even you Mr. Cringely are being a little too forward. These market processes take time, especially in unpredictable economic situations. As you can see for yourself, the adoption rate for blu ray at both levels (consumer and enterprise) has not only been steadily growing but particularly in the enterprise space it’s been on an upward trend. For those who keep basing blu rays economics on events of last century, let me remind you that you can’t solve todays problems with yesterdays solutions. Neither can you analyze todays trends based on last centurys events. People are much more educated and technically inclined than they were during the HD/ DVD / VHS / Betamax wars. When people buy a piece of media they are really buying the movie and when a company invests in blu ray as their optical archiving media of choice, they are adopting an information lifecycle management strategy.
I rest my case.
Alani Kuye
Phantom Data Systems Inc.
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HD-DVD can’t handle vast amount of data?
a double-layered DVD can hold up to 18GB… most Blu-ray games for PS3 are similar size.
HD-DVD could hold 30GB of data and i bet it could hold even more in future… which is just fine for a Disney movie or any other movie people are playing in their homes. I realy don’t care if the pictures are even more extra sharp, if i must pay 1000 bucks for a decent Blu-ray + TV “media center” ?
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